Just wondering what everyone's takes are, personally I believe that state atheism is a necessity and anything short of that is a failure. I've seen some communists online be religious and I truly don't understand how that would work. I don't mean a vague notion of a god, I mean like actual religion following a set of ideas. It doesn't make sense to me so I want to hear you guys' thoughts.
61 posts and 10 image replies omitted.>>2464642yes and if you read paul, he appears to be describing something quite different from the gospel story, and it even has elements of "gnosticism". so i would say the gospels as a canonical myth begins around 70 A.D. while what existed before was disorganised mystery cults.
>>2464643what would be the non-islamist answer?
>>2464649yes and that's because christianity changed significantly not after paul, or even the gospels themselves, but instead changed in the 2nd century, this is based on the fact that any christian text dated to the 1st century is actually pretty different from what paul was saying in the bible, and Mark isn't actually that different from paul, it is different yes, but it is also in many ways just inserting a jesus into the past to make the points of christians then, you can look into this reification of paul and there's pretty strong evidence for it, it only started to actually change significantly with matthew, then luke, acts and john, this is because christianity nearly died by the start of the second century, and underwent significant changes in the mid 2nd century, look at the forged letters of paul for example, many of them are odd in just many ways that they add stuff that doesn't make sense, or actively contradicts his own statements in other letters
>>2464657it's also just obviously mythological nature, if there is anything of historical value in the gospels, it cannot be distinguished from the obvious reifications of paul (and probably other texts as well), it's also only in the second century that a jesus who really did live, really did have disciples and so on (which neither paul, nor clement, nor peter, nor hebrews seems to be aware of at all! truly a remarkable change) is taken to be literally true, even in mark it seems to just be a typical historicization of a myth, common to mystery religions of the time, whereas the "true" belief was one of a jesus who descends from the firmament, is given a body, is captured by samael/belial, crucified and then is deified
>>2465780Apparently first atheists on earth, one of the hundred schools called calculationists, unless the Indian rationalists predate them as the first atheists; should look up the current archeological date – thought ghost stories were false but useful
They were the first to state in surviving text that it was correct to rebel against unjust rule, a conclusion only reached by western inhabitants of the European peninsula only even realised in the 17th century after they recieved it from Native American philosophers
>>2483799And don’t you realise that in your viscously obsessively compulsion towards atheism and anti-theism, that you are actually making yourselves sluts, onaholes and whores for spiritual forces that will use and abuse you without you even realising.
But there is no point in arguing, the spiritual forces that be will act and the wheel will churn as you triumphantly delight in your ignorance and fantasies of rationalistic conquest, have fun. There is a path of liberation and creation with the divine if you care to take it, as you realise that you are not seperate from God and any idea of being such is just an illusion, but that’s up to you….
>>2483831> Moralizing, there is no "good" or "bad", only what must be done. Go fuck yourself with this deceptive nonsense, this line of thinking is used to justify dictators playing out their power fantasies on people’s lives all for the ‘sake of the cause’
If there is no ‘good’ or ‘evil’ then why bother with trying to get people to emancipate themselves at all? Surely, none of this will ever affect you in your lifetime, so might as well be self serving and only care about yourself. Vile hypocrite. You are the exact type of person to get lynched by the people who you claim to represent, you and your poisonous narcissistic ilk. It’s not about socialism for you, it’s about playing out an edgy rebellious identity, it’s about playing with lives of people as if they were dolls as a medium for you to fulfill your fantasy of a ‘perfect society’ like pol pot - go fuck yourself. Predator.
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