That Sumud Flotilla right is going to Gaza to break the Israeli blockaid. Inspired by the Thunburg Flotilla, the Sumud Flotilla contains far more ships in an attempt to overwhelm the Israeli Navy and Coastguard. The Sumud Flotilla departed from Spain at the end of August and is scheduled to be joined by more ships from Tunisia alter today. They expect to arrive at Gaza sometime next week.
>>2464012all movements have activists, read history
>>2464049they are unarmed but they have more boats then the Israeli navy has patrol boats + corvetts combined, the zionists will have a hard time stopping all the boats.
>>2466918if this was true their wouldn't be drone attacks on the boats
>I mean, Zionists have won, so the sooner the killing diminishes again to something lower than extermination campaign, the better.but the goal of the zionists is to kill every Palestinean in Gaza so they can settle the strip.
>>2466927>but the goal of the zionists is to kill every Palestinean in Gaza so they can settle the strip.To a degree, but the goal that really matters, the reason Israel exists and what ultimately guides the actions of it's leaderhood is to secure US hegemony over the region. And that has been very much achieved. As the compradors will soon make official in the signing of Oslo3 or joining the abraham accords or some other "normalization with Israel" and trade deals with NATO.
What looked like a negotiated stop of the hostilities with Iran, just when Israel could have actually faced existential risks from the Islamic Republic is also bad news pointing in that direction. And none of that will stop the USA from further weakening Iran by attacking it's allies. If you ask me, they just traded a NATO intervention in MENA now. For Iranian and Yemeni martyr-hood later, and no gains for anybody but NATO.
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>>2466925>If we die to our enemy we winLmfao
The only solution to the zionist cancer is a massive military coalition and total settler death
>>2504268Can't you at least let me dream.
:C
>>2504296Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Turkey deserve all the almighty cuck title.
All this ‘our muslim brothers and sisters’ and they have not lifted a finger.
>>2504339Absolute dog shit take, good luck blocking a carrier group in the strait of Gibraltar with 40 small civilians ships, let's not even talk about the strait of Sicily. Even if you can come close with your dingy they have anti piracy weapons to neutralize you and just keep going.
It is darkly funny that this dude is criticizing the strategy, leaders and what not of this while proposing a plan that involves the fabled italian/spanish people to come to their help, because it seems to me that during the 7th of October the plan was to pull the Iran, Hezbollah and the Arab people in general into the fray which spectacularly failed.
>>2504464Very nice PR. Now weight it against the might of NATO.
Nah, don't worry christcuck, keep putting the other cheek. Keep getting nailed to that cross. Eventually you'll reach their hearts.
As everybody knows, that is how christianity gained their power and influence, by pointless acts of self sacrifice. It is historic fact. Sure.
>>2504469>pissing and whiningFor all the talk of christkucks you sure do love to preach.
you don't have to post here, you know. you can minimise the thread or close the tab.
>>2504638>>2504648https://justinpodur.substack.com/p/the-imperial-capital-has-movedJustin Podur argues that the imperial capital is now "Israel." I think this is plausible.
It isn't an anti-Jewish position.
>>2504626>>2504633More.
>>2464000We all knew it was gonna end up like this
Again, the only solution is a military coalition and total zionist death
>>2504681
It isn't a coincidence, but Zionism actually isn't just a Jewish thing. It's broader and more sinister than that. It's neither totally Jewish nor disconnected from Jewish culture, it's its own imperialist cult which ties in directly with Jewish ethnosupremacy, but also exists as a distinct form of broader secular Zionist imperialism.
It also isn't a coincidence that a former IOF prison guard runs The Atlantic, that Miriam Adelson is literally an "Israeli," that Barak Ravid is from Unit 8200, that Amos Hochstein was a former IOF tank guy, and that there is a revolving door between Unit 8200, the IOF, and the US media & tech sectors. The IOF itself has a weirdly high direct presence in high levels of the American state, as do open, explicit Zionists.
The problem with guys like Fuentes and his followers is that they sit around all day saying "it's the Jews!" but they don't actually do anything. They spend more time criticizing other right-wing anti-Zionist talking heads like Candace Owens for not explicitly hating Jews enough than they actually spend taking any kind of action which would directly impede Zionism. If they want to help target finances, media, the lobby, employees of the "Israeli" state, and arms factories then they are welcome to; but thus far they just seem to sit around saying things which they know come across as volatile and trying to have "debates." I disagree with them, in that I think their interpretation fails to address the nuances of Zionism, but I think debating this is a waste of time. I don't really care that they're wrong, in my opinion, what bothers me is that they're functionally useless.
>>2504807>unless it goes full lebensraum Problem with that is demographics. There are plenty in Israel who would love to annex Gaza and the West Bank and a not small portion that would like Western Jordan, southern Lebanon and Sinai too. But even just Gaza they withdrew from the first time because there simply were too many Arabs to make occupation and settlement feasible. They can sperg out and break things all they want but unless the US really starts twisting arms in order to help Israel reverse Madagascar Plan all Gazans then even annexing Gaza is not going to happen. It's horrible or whatever but we aren't even at 100k dead out of a population of 2 million and we're 3 years in. They cannot feasibly starve Gazans into nonexistence so it's either annex and settle despite the existence of Gazans, which creates a huge security problem, or it's expel them, which despite what ZOGposters probably no US administration will ever do and which they can't get done without the US.
What Israel can continue to do is massively destabilize the region in order to keep everyone beaten down, scared or too occupied with internal problems to focus on them. The idea of a blitz to even biblically accurate Greater Israel let alone Greater Israel as the Nile to the Euphrates is fucking insane and exists exactly two places, the brains of hardcore Zionists and the brains of antisemites.
>>2504896>we aren't even at 100k dead out of a population of 2 million and we're 3 years inIIRC the "official" number comes only from the identifiable people which reach a clinic of some sort. And those can't be reliable either, what with Israel continually trespassing, bombing, "evacuating" and generally disabling them. As well as the under-staffing, and technical issues that surely make that bureucracy harder and less of a priority for the portion of cases where there is a corpse to count.
I would argue that there is a significant undercounting and the dead are probably in the high hundreds of thousands if not over a million by the time the Gazans are formally given "peace". And also many people are technically alive right now, but functionally dead from severely shortened lifespans, even if they just die a few years after the "ceasefire" from conflict related problems.
>>2504914>"The problem is demographics!">It's horrible or whatever but we aren't even at 100k dead>"no US administration would EVER try to mass expel the Palestinian population of Gaza! DON'T look up what Biden approached El-Sisi with in late 2023 or what the GHF is doing now!!!">biblically accurate Greater Israel>"greater Israel is impossible you guys! Only hardcore Zionists and anti-semites could possibly think it's the intention of the Israeli state, which is totally not run by hardcore Zionists, and totally not backed by a country where Miriam Adelson, Mike Huckabee, and other hardcore Zionists hold powerful positions!"Wow, I wonder if this poster has an undisclosed agenda.
>>2504897>putting anti-Zionist in scare quotes:)
They've pretty much all been intercepted or are assumed to have been intercepted.
The Mikeno appears to be inside what Israel calls it's territorial waters but is moving at 0 knots. The Marinette is way behind.
https://globalsumudflotilla.org/tracker/This link should have been included in the OP.
>>2504914You can safely multiply by ten the numbers of Gaza health ministry who only counts the corpses they can find.
https://arena.org.au/politics-of-counting-gazas-dead/
>Assuming that deaths from deprivation were four times the violent deaths, then the 136,000 violent deaths after 15.5 months of killing (25 April 2025) would imply 544,000 Gaza deaths from imposed deprivation, and that the total Gazan death toll would accordingly be 136,000 violent deaths plus 544,000 from imposed deprivation, leading to a staggering total of 680,000 deaths by 25 April 2025. Most of these victims, as indicated in earlier counts by the Ministry of Health are women and children. 680,000 deaths by 25 April 2025. We're in October, after escalations by Israel, you get the picture…
>>2505073personally I believe theres likely more than a million dead, ministry of health under count violent death, they have been without basic medical gear for a long while, all water, sanitation and food infrastructure have been destroyed, most shelters have been destroyed and theres starvation.
and the lancet numbers assume a "normal" war, we all know israeli are worse and the gaza situation is worse
>>2505186They should.
The soviets did. The soviets almost launched nukes against israel.
>>2505738>kkkhamasYou're a god damn retard you know that.
Granted, Bibi through a proxy was funding hamas.
>>2505712>the Trump Peace Plan, if accepted, is the end of HamasThere is no "peace plan." It's a smokescreen. Netanyahu has already vowed not to respect it, Hamas agreed to the last one and was just ignored, "Israel" has unilaterally broken every "ceasefire," and there were terms put into the "plan" after a number of regional puppet countries had already agreed to it which are designed to
look acceptable to western audiences but be red lines for Hamas. PIJ have already rejected it.
There is nothing on offer here. The entire thing is a spectacle to fool western dupes and waste their time debating over it while the US/"Israel" prepare for more war with Iran and continue the genocide.
>>2506211Call me cynical but
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Best case scenario:
They are NOT victimized by Israel and they serve to absolve all the liberal Zionists at home that their current Zionist approved "civil society" mobilization is actually the correct response to the genocide and actually working. Because look how bad PR Israel is getting.
Worst case scenario:
They are victimized by Israel and they serve to absolve all the liberal Zionists at home that their current Zionist approved "civil society" mobilization is actually the correct response to the genocide and actually working. Because look how bad PR Israel is getting.
The Mikeno ( the ship which was closest) is assumed intercepted now, has been still for a looong time. It had an Malaysian celebrity listed on it, which is probably why they could afford being so close. The remaining ship sailing(Marinette) is much further away and has no public figures listed on Wikipedia. So they look like a good candidate for martyrdom.
Either way, this is akin to petitioning the genociders to take pity. The lot of them praising the flotilla today, bent the knee and kissed the ring and glazed Trump's plan for Gaza YESTERDAY. You can have all the PR you want, but it ain't gonna change a thing. At best, you'll get the liberal Zionist version of victory to celebrate. Which will no doubt content much of the EU, by providing absolution.
>>2506279>Either way, this is akin to petitioning the genociders to take pity.I disagree with the premise of most of the rest of your post (basing predictions on what liberal Zionists will do is as bad as basing predictions on PR), but this part is correct.
I bear no grudge against the flotilla people, but this is a war. By that I don't mean what's occurring in Gaza and the West Bank. What's occurring in Palestine is a holocaust, there is also a war there, but it is overshadowed by the wholesale campaign of slaughter and displacement. What's occurring between the governments of Europe, the UK, the US, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and all other Zionist collaborator regimes vs. the workers who live in those places is a
war, an undeclared campaign of violence and suppression waged by global imperialists against humanity. I think the flotilla people were right to try what they did; it's the other organizers back home in these countries who are largely failing to seize the moment.
Europeans would be the most spineless people on the planet if Americans didn't exist. The Europeans are kicked around, spied upon, censored, harassed, and all for diminishing economic returns, while the consequences of supporting the mass displacement caused by neocon/US foreign policy creates turmoil and domestic strife. In America it is even more pathetic; Americans have many of these same problems, but also guns, and Americans lack the kind of healthcare and welfare systems which exist in much of Europe. In America there is lots of poverty, lots of crime, lots of disease, and very little in the way of public transit or affordable housing (despite an abundance of existing houses) or anything like that. America's police are extraordinarily brutal for the richest country on Earth, and its prisons are full of astonishing amounts of murder and rape.
Young men in America are possessed by a sad, lost feeling of nihilism, rejection, and abandonment, which leads to a desire for blind, cathartic vengeance; where are the leaders for these young men? Where is the movement which is ready to harness the antipathy of America's cannibalized youth, to shape that anger into a deadly weapon against the murderous American state? America has so many listless people who are sickened by what's going on and who are ready to do what is necessary, but it seems like there is no organizer in the US willing to put them to that task.
There is no excuse for this. If the current organizations fail to enter into definitive antagonism against the state to the extent necessary, there need to be people ready to form new groups - not to compete with the old groups, but simply to complete tasks which the old groups are unwilling to do.
>>2506279 (me)
Actually it's much much worse.
The liberal mobilizations have absorbed all the energy and outrage into the flotilla, which comes and goes and is heavily dependent on PR from bourgeois media and NGO money.
Meanwhile, simultaneously pretty much everywhere flotilla protests are going, also had their rulers bend the knee and kiss the ring of Trump and Netanyahu with regards to the "Gaza ceasefire" and making it an official anglo-run colony. And ther protests have a very big blind spot for that.
So really, you are just getting
psyopped by the same organizations which have mostly remained silent and passive during the entire genocide into, swapping the outrage to sympathetic and
apolitical cause, thus defanging it. Making sure at least the EU rulers can all put out statements and commitments towards the legitimization of the Nakba 2, without anyone protesting them.
Ah well, cue the liberal Zionist articles about the great victory in the protests and the great effect they are having. I hope you like Hareetz and 972mag articles, because that's the only thing you are getting out of this psyop. Perhaps they'll get Netanyahu to make a video saying how owned he is and please stop, oh no don't protest any harder.
And before you come to plaster your favorite celebrity Palestine endorsement consider this. The same unions and NGOs driving this wave of protests will cease mobilizing their members in less than a year. They are not "your guys" and answer only to the liberal parties what needed cover right now.
>>2507736 (me)
As soon as the "flotillas" die down and they will, because they are dependent on the NGO money and the mainstream media attention (both of which can be as easily withdrawn as it is given right now), the protesting will cease. The unions will stop making Palestine an issue, even while Israel is literally stealing the strip. Even while the post-ceasefire accounting reveals the true, well a more accurate perspective of the magnitide of the genocide.
They will remain mostly silent and un-mobilized. And I would bet my right hand, certainly none of the big ones will turn the outrage on the governments at home sponsoring this genocide.
But you will recall this as a great moment in leftist history. Because you soyface every time an anarchist throws a brick, before denouncing them as liberals. There is some fucked up armchair activist envy going on btw.
>>2508018It seems like there would be a distance issue. I might be wrong.
Also that would probably mean even less aid could be brought, although that would be a secondary concern since the primary purpose is to simply overwhelm the blockade and break it.
Really the big, important strategic change that needs to happen is they need to arm. All of them - whether it's "March for Gaza" ground missions or Flotilla missions, they need to actually start smuggling weapons. It is completely possible to do, and the only difference it would make is that it would create a human cost, for the IOF, when it inevitably raids humanitarian missions. There is no material negative effect for those trying to break the siege for doing so with the intent to defend themselves and to strike damage into the enemy. It will not make the child starvers any more sympathetic when those trying to bring baby formula into the besieged Gaza strip fight back.
>>2464000What is there to say about this flotilla? It's good, I suppose, that they're doing something. But will it achieve anything? I saw this reel about it that, despite being predictably aborted by the zionists, it gave Gazans time to fish or something by distracting the iof, with footage of palestinians dragging some fishnets by the coast. Who knows if that footage was actually even from today, it sounds like the biggest liberal cope. Fuck man maybe I should just believe that they did get to catch some more fish because of this.
So what's the point of it all? What does this achieve? Should I believe the fishing story?
>>2508334The IDF would literally sink their ship the very moment their fist drone soars from deck.
>>2508455So far they've been successful in angering the petite bourgeoisie and the labor aristocracy, so that's a start. But since they're backed by the biggest collaborationist unions in the country I doubt they'll have any meaningful consequence on the matter…
>>2508458>nor Israel vilifiedDon't worry, another flotilla just departed from Turchia, for them the IDF will not wear velvet gloves
>>2508950The World in the Middle Ages:
>The West: Corrupt fanatical leaders fucking over the peasants >Middle East: scientific and cultural capital of the world>China: Warlords and genocides everywhere The World now:
<The West: Corrupt fanatical leaders fucking over the workers<Middle East: Warlords and genocide everywhere <China: scientific and cultural capital of the world >>2508900>Greta>anti-imperialist supersoldierPalestine will fade from the "public opinion" in months after the final deals are established (Oslo, Abraham, whatever they call it this time). Once the mainstream media has no more need to pander self-absolution, there is no further incentive to keep reminding the average retard that Palestine exists. Or that it is, at the time, a literal Jewish settler colony (which by then would have resumed the Gaza-ification of the west bank) run by anglos.
Whether or not, Greta has genuinely had a change of heart and is no longer a green-washing tool of NATO is irrelevant. Her entire following is, and will follow the next trend dictated to them by the activist industrial complex. And with that, Greta's power to command media attention and mobilize people will also go away.
I say this with quite a lot of spite, there is no hiding how much I hate the sperging little gremlin, bred and raised for propaganda…
BUT I do hope that Greta ditches the liberals and realizes the impossibility of tackling any of her matters of concern within liberalism. I would *not* bet on it, however.
This will probably be a very unpopular opinion, but a proper Dialectical Materialist analysis of the Zionist-Palestinian conflict reveals that the “One-State Solution” is Bourgeois Liberal Individualist Idealism, as the Material Reality is that both Hamas and the PFLP have accepted the Two-State solution on the 1967 borders with 1:1 land swaps, and the only people who want a “One-State Solution” are either the Zionists who want to Genocide all of the Palestinian Arabs and annex the West Bank and Gaza into the Zionist State, or the Dumb Liberal Idealist Western Left that are Delusional enough to actually believe that Jews and Arabs can happily live together in some Imaginary Kumbaya Hippie Commune version of Palestine, as I am not afraid to drop a Truth Nuke and say that since the Zionist Frankenberger did the Holocaust and forced the entire Jewish population to flee Europe, the “Two-State Solution” has been the only viable solution to the Zionist-Palestinian conflict and Stalin was right to support the 1947 partition, and it is not his fault that the Jews and Arabs chimped out on each other, with the Zionists using this as an excuse to carry out the Genocidal Naqba, and my version of the “Two-State Solution” that will be implemented in the future Global USSR (this will be created by the successful World Maoist PPW that will happen after the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System), that is based on the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question”
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination”
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , is that the Zionist State will be overthrown by a Maoist PPW and replaced with the Jewish SSR created inside the 1967 borders with 1:1 Land swaps (very similar to the two Maps in the third Image I posted, though ignore the disgusting Zionist propaganda that was unfortunately put in the captions, 😂🤣🤢🤮!), while the West Bank and Gaza are placed in the Arab SFSR that will include all the Arab majority regions of West Asia and North Africa as shown in my Map of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in the first Image I posted (The second Image I posted specifically shows the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in West Asia), and the 1:1 Land swaps between the Jewish SSR and Arab SFSR will mean that Arab villages in the “triangle” region
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_(Israel) on the Jewish side of the 1967 borders will be exchanged for Jewish Settlements on the Arab side of the 1967 borders that are inside the “Seam Zone”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seam_Zone , so most Arabs and Jews that are in the “population transfer”, will not have to leave their homes, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2509041>People like you keep saying everyone will forget Palestine and move on to the next Current Thing™ for the past 20 months and it just hasn't happened. Revisionist take that one. It did in fact, happen. There was very little mobilization after the first few months of protests, spurred by the closing-of-ranks around the Zionist narrative of Al-aqsa flood. Then it died down and remained there until right now, with very few exceptions.
Pretty much It only has picked up now (and strictly framed around the flotilla) to distract from EU and MENA rulers bending the knee and endorsing the second Nakba and Impunity for Israel. And it's only happening now because soccdem affiliated unions and NGOs in said genocidal states were called into action by the genociders in power.
>>2509178 (You) (me)
And that was happening during the height of the genocide, highly publicized and available. The bulk of the killing and famine took part during the overwhelming silence and inaction of the very same organizations rallying around the flotilla now.
What "it signals" is that the current wave of "civil society"(read: apolitical) protests are a result of the mobilization efforts of those otherwise complicit unions, which are associated to liberal parties accomplice of the genocide, and not a grassroots effort or a response to the conditions imposed on Gazans.
We have a very simple empirical test for this, as well:
If the organizers are earnest they will eventually turn the outrage towards their own governments in supporting Trump's plan and the continued colonization of Gaza and Palestine in general.
But if they are, as I say, liberal Zionists running cover for the scheme… they will accept the "two state solution" and the coming retread of Oslo as a good thing and not the legitimization of the second Nakba and impunity of Israel that it actually is.
We'll see in less than a year who was right.
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