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That Sumud Flotilla right is going to Gaza to break the Israeli blockaid. Inspired by the Thunburg Flotilla, the Sumud Flotilla contains far more ships in an attempt to overwhelm the Israeli Navy and Coastguard. The Sumud Flotilla departed from Spain at the end of August and is scheduled to be joined by more ships from Tunisia alter today. They expect to arrive at Gaza sometime next week.

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>>2464004
the activists are good though

>>2464007
communism has nothing to do with activism

>>2464012
If communism isn’t useful to Palestine it can go to hell along with zionism

>>2464017
>If communism isn’t useful to Palestine it can go to hell along with zionism
If your movement doesn't help those facing genocide and the bleeding edge of empire, then it's less than worthless to the people.

Is this "flotilla" actually armed this time and intending to break the Israeli blockade or is it just another pr exercise?

>>2464012
all movements have activists, read history
>>2464049
they are unarmed but they have more boats then the Israeli navy has patrol boats + corvetts combined, the zionists will have a hard time stopping all the boats.

>>2464049
>JERUSALEM IS RESCUED BY GENERAL GRETA THUNBERG AFTER 76 YEARS OF ZIONIST RULE

>>2464103
If only

>>2464001
Why isn't China there?

They're at Tunisia and their main ship was attacked by Israeli drones armed with bombs. So far, no casualties.

>>2466733
They need to bring shotguns to shoot the drones.

>>2466733
actual terrorist attack agaisnt tunisian sovereignty. watch the cucked tunisian gov. stay silent about this.

>>2466755
they wouldve all been arrested in spain and never had the opportunity to leave in the first place if they were armed you fuckin retard

>>2466762
They can learn from us. Vietnam Numba One!!! We pwned ur asses americunts.

They got all the celebrities and even a American and other veterans. Lot's of different kinds of liberal Zionists are represented.

I count this event as part of the script and a good signal that the harshest part of the genocide is about to end. With thunderous applause and self absolution for most of NATO and the EU. An auspicious outlook nonetheless. I mean, Zionists have won, so the sooner the killing diminishes again to something lower than extermination campaign, the better.

>>2466755
part of the point is to damage Israel's PR is they respond with force to an unarmed boat

>>2466918
if this was true their wouldn't be drone attacks on the boats
>I mean, Zionists have won, so the sooner the killing diminishes again to something lower than extermination campaign, the better.
but the goal of the zionists is to kill every Palestinean in Gaza so they can settle the strip.

>>2466927
>if this was true their wouldn't be drone attacks on the boats
Wake me up when anyone with money or fame or political connections gets *killed* or seriously *maimed*. All the rest is fair game.

>>2466927
>but the goal of the zionists is to kill every Palestinean in Gaza so they can settle the strip.
To a degree, but the goal that really matters, the reason Israel exists and what ultimately guides the actions of it's leaderhood is to secure US hegemony over the region. And that has been very much achieved. As the compradors will soon make official in the signing of Oslo3 or joining the abraham accords or some other "normalization with Israel" and trade deals with NATO.

What looked like a negotiated stop of the hostilities with Iran, just when Israel could have actually faced existential risks from the Islamic Republic is also bad news pointing in that direction. And none of that will stop the USA from further weakening Iran by attacking it's allies. If you ask me, they just traded a NATO intervention in MENA now. For Iranian and Yemeni martyr-hood later, and no gains for anybody but NATO.


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>>2466925
>If we die to our enemy we win
Lmfao
The only solution to the zionist cancer is a massive military coalition and total settler death

>>2466979
If Israel kills Greta every simp on Earth will become anti-zionist, that's a lot of military aged men.

>>2467001
>military aged men
That phrase is usually followed by some form of apologia for massacring that group, what had those men of those ages lel

>>2466979
Israel is waiting for that to happen and has nukes pointing at every strategic region for it

A video of the drone attack.

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They have departed Greek waters and will be heading to Palestine in two days.

>>2498970
what's happening when they get there?

>>2498975
something

>>2464012
another mass tor baiter

>>2498970
Marxspeed

Why did SHITaly cuck out? I thought they were a le based neo-ᴉuᴉlossnWte government fighting international Jewry?

>>2499586
Meloni's the ultimate zogbot

>>2499586
Meloni only sent a ship because Italian workers did a general strike to pressure the government. She doesn‘t care.

>>2499586
neofascists in Italy were sucking off pissrael when even mainstream parties were pro-palestine. Before islamophobia became a thing after 9/11, Italians were mostly pro-palestine except for far-right parties.

>>2466979
Nobody is going to do this since countries are motivated by fascism (including russia and china) and fascists only respect force. This planet is rule by evil fascists.

>>2464017
If Palestine isn’t useful to communism, Palestine can go to hell alonside Israel.

Turkey steps up

>>2464070
I've noticed a small but vocal subset of posters who are constantly telling us what communism isn't, but never seem to be able to say what it is.

Your not useful to communism u frail bastard sitting in your mothers house

>>2466979
TRUTH NUKE

>>2502957
I hope Sultan Erdogan gets ballsy enough to send some warships to pressure Israel. He won't because he's too cowardly to seize his ambitions, but I hope so

https://www.youtube.com/live/iCAN2Ay0OS4
>BREAKING: A Fleet of Vessels is Approaching the Global Sumud Flotilla
>Support our work:
http://novara.media/support
>Our journalist Kieran Andrieu is on Adara ship as part of the Global Sumud Flotilla - watch our coverage as the boats approach Gaza. Dedicated feed of Adara here:
https://www.youtube.com/live/ddzyM8kXsqc


Holy fuck they're gassing them

What's up with Israel that makes everyone bend the knee to them? They're truly the final boss of history.

It's ogre…

>>2504248
The United States.

If Madam Thunberg is on board, they will not be harmed.

They're being attacked but other than that it's pure information blackout. JIDF and MusKKK hard at work to hide everything on Xitter.

Fuck they're actually gonna die aren't they

Unions in Italy have called for a general strike in response to the attacks on the flotilla.

>>2504242
>>2504255
They're making them throw the phones in the water to stop them streaming, like before

They have been apprehended in international waters
The big arab nations in the neighbourhood are the biggest cucks ever and i wish them the worst

they can't intercept them all, can they? they'll kill some

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There is no Easter bunny, there is no tooth fairy and there's no anti-imperialist progressive countries!

>>2504264
For every war criminal Zionist that deserves to be hung, there are 5 of the Arab national bourgeoisie need to be strung up alongside.

>>2504268
Can't you at least let me dream.
:C

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Okay, but why?

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I propose for SSpain and SHITaly to now carry the reputation of being cowardly CUCKs as opposed to France since WW2.

>>2504296
Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Turkey deserve all the almighty cuck title.
All this ‘our muslim brothers and sisters’ and they have not lifted a finger.

>>2504299
don't forget cucktar

>>2504299
>>2504296
>>2504268
Yemen and Hezbollah are the only real uyghas

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>>2504339
Absolute dog shit take, good luck blocking a carrier group in the strait of Gibraltar with 40 small civilians ships, let's not even talk about the strait of Sicily. Even if you can come close with your dingy they have anti piracy weapons to neutralize you and just keep going.

It is darkly funny that this dude is criticizing the strategy, leaders and what not of this while proposing a plan that involves the fabled italian/spanish people to come to their help, because it seems to me that during the 7th of October the plan was to pull the Iran, Hezbollah and the Arab people in general into the fray which spectacularly failed.

>>2504390
>pic
The biggest anti-piracy weapon is having armed mercs on board.

>>2504339
If getting aid to Gaza was already a suicide mission, blockading the strait of Gibraltar is like playing Russian roulette with all chambers loaded

>>2504397
>blockading the strait of Gibraltar
similar actions are the only thing that can actually stop the flow of capital considering there is no possibility of a coordinated all-european strike

>>2504390
>good luck blocking a carrier group
all they have to do is sit there and it endangers the ships to pass. plus they are less likely to open fire than israel

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>>2504399
Okay walk us trough your plan to block 15km of water with a few dozen fishing boats and plaisance ships.

>>2504339
>what if the aid flotilla changed what it was completelly and instead they do what i think they should do!
Insufferable faggot. if he thinks he's on to the right idea let him organise it himself rather than bitching on his gay-faggot nazi safe-space site.

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>>2504242
>Can watch along live at:
>https://tv.leftypol.org/r/LGBTA
Still streaming btw, they were just on break.

>>2504406
>okay tell me how can you block a 6 lane road with 50 people and don't tell me to strech them out
even if it is a disruption for 2 hours it's GOOD because FUCK YOU

We all know the ghoulish Israel and its enablers: USA and Europe.
Since October 7th, my hatred has intensified for the Arab states, Turkey, Pakistan and the motherfucking PLO.
It has convinced me: Palestine is lost. Not because of the civilian casualties, not because the Hamas leadership died, but because of the (in)actions of the 'Muslim world' (except the Houthis and Iran, but even Iran cucked hard) and the comprador PLO.
If the PLO itself gave up so hard, there is nothing left to say or to do. Bibi is King of the World. We live in the worst timeline.

>>2504425
we are at fault for our own imperialist govn't at home

>>2504425
Theres functionally no such thing as the Muslim World. The Global Ummah is just a nice bed-time story for kids.

The Meteque is currently being raided on stream.

>>2504404
they have 44 ships thats one every ~300 meters. a carrier is about 300 meters long and takes like 1-5 km to turn. could even knock some f-35 off the deck again

Anyone following the protests going on atm?
I think so far Italy is having a large one, a train station in Berlin has apparently been shut down.


>>2504456
General strike in Italy on Friday.

>CGIIL (Main Italian trade union) webpage crashed… however CGIL regionals up: GENERAL STRIKE FOR THE 3RD OCTOBER

>>2504464
Very nice PR. Now weight it against the might of NATO.

Nah, don't worry christcuck, keep putting the other cheek. Keep getting nailed to that cross. Eventually you'll reach their hearts.
As everybody knows, that is how christianity gained their power and influence, by pointless acts of self sacrifice. It is historic fact. Sure.

>>2504470
Popular support for Israel could collapse and the USian regime would still be pro Israel. You have to destroy the American regime.

>>2504469
>pissing and whining
For all the talk of christkucks you sure do love to preach.
you don't have to post here, you know. you can minimise the thread or close the tab.

>>2504470
>And that can only happen when it's acknowledged that the US is controlled by Israel.
Fuck you, impotent Nazi.

The mere insinuation of this, should be a ban on sight. Stop polluting every mention of Israel with your JIDF tier /pol/ bait. Fuck off back to /pol/ or whatever nazoid shithole you come from.

>>2504464
That spic accent pisses me off(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

Naples train station shut down.

>>2499586
obvious AI voice. They're getting better but they say things so weird. I wonder if people will start talking more like AI.

>>2504483
>Spic
????

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8 intercepted so far, 34 to go.

>>2504493
it's a racist term Americans use against Spanish speaking peoples, be they from Europe or Latin America.

Flotilla members are most likely being tortured and raped atm

>>2504521
NTA but you have a whole website you've already turned to shit at 4chins, why come here?

Zionist entity has hit some of the bigger boats, speculation is the smaller boats are a lot more difficult to board and raid.

are they gonna kill them?

fuck off

>>2504503
Its the other way around. Israel is controlled by and works for the US. The CIA doesn't know everything the Mossad does for the same reason they dont know everything everyone of their other cells does, plausible deniability. The whole country is run by the covert military arm of corporate america and wall street which is primarily the CIA and JSOC and all their international groups exposed by things like Iran-Contra, which is ultimately the same international cartels thatranshumanistazi Germany and attempted the Business plot centered around the western financial monopoly complex of petroleum and their subsidies and byproducts like pharmaceuticals and plastics, transportation including manufacturing and steel, which includes mining and refining etc. Israel exists primarily as an unsinkable aircraft carrier to deploy military force and divide and conquer tactics to ensure the continued lack of market competition for these cartels by preventing economic development of periphery nations.

Protests at Italy. Unions have put up a blockade at the Naples subway station.

>>2504626
Protests at Berlin also

>>2504616
You sound like a burger faggot with a personality disorder. Now go back to your containment website.

ok. back to pol grampa.

>>2504638
Israel controls (most) US politicians because israel works for corporate america and the interests of monopoly corporations and Israel are aligned. The US politicians not controlled by israel are controlled by other corporations with competing interests, like lesser monopolies and industrial capital. That is how bourgeois "democracy" works.

>>2504470
>And that can only happen when it's acknowledged
It is not the consciousness of men that determines their existence, but their social existence that determines their consciousness. There is no path to victory for Palestine that does not undermine the material and social reproduction of the Zionist project, which is materially, financially, and militarily backed by the US monopoly finance industrial complex and the western imperialist hegemony that it is the head of.

>>2504638
>>2504648
https://justinpodur.substack.com/p/the-imperial-capital-has-moved
Justin Podur argues that the imperial capital is now "Israel." I think this is plausible.

It isn't an anti-Jewish position.

>>2504626
>>2504633
More.

30 boats still on their way to Gaza

>>2504656
Hope some of the smaller boots make it. Hope they're prioritising carrying medicine and baby formula.

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>>2504664
>I think Israel just wants to get Greta and whoever else they deem an important person out of the way so they can blow the fuck out of the rest of them. I'm surprised at the protests, if Israel chimps out like usual this could become a major international incident.
I'm sure PR will work this time.

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>>2504655
This blog post is sadly true. China was never meant to be AmeriKKKa's successor as the global hegemon, it was always Israel.

>>2464000
We all knew it was gonna end up like this

Again, the only solution is a military coalition and total zionist death

it would be kind of hilarious if international finance (rootless cosmopolitans) actually used israel as a main base. extremely unstable lmao

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>>2504673
Multizionaristas… I kneel

Really remarkable that this is about preventing food and medicine from getting to a place with an internationally recognized famine.

>>2504681
Poltard

>>2504685
nobody is trying to argue with you poltard

They are gonna execute Greta this time.

30 ships got through, 85 km from Gaza now

>>2504717
*shoots your neck* nothin personel kid

Jews secretly control planetary movements

>>2504470
Following your logic, they should just ally with Al-Qaeda and destroy America itself. Hell, at least those guys do things while incel poltards masturbate all day lurking /hm/

Wait a few boats might actually make it? Lmao.

>>2504681
It isn't a coincidence, but Zionism actually isn't just a Jewish thing. It's broader and more sinister than that. It's neither totally Jewish nor disconnected from Jewish culture, it's its own imperialist cult which ties in directly with Jewish ethnosupremacy, but also exists as a distinct form of broader secular Zionist imperialism.

It also isn't a coincidence that a former IOF prison guard runs The Atlantic, that Miriam Adelson is literally an "Israeli," that Barak Ravid is from Unit 8200, that Amos Hochstein was a former IOF tank guy, and that there is a revolving door between Unit 8200, the IOF, and the US media & tech sectors. The IOF itself has a weirdly high direct presence in high levels of the American state, as do open, explicit Zionists.

The problem with guys like Fuentes and his followers is that they sit around all day saying "it's the Jews!" but they don't actually do anything. They spend more time criticizing other right-wing anti-Zionist talking heads like Candace Owens for not explicitly hating Jews enough than they actually spend taking any kind of action which would directly impede Zionism. If they want to help target finances, media, the lobby, employees of the "Israeli" state, and arms factories then they are welcome to; but thus far they just seem to sit around saying things which they know come across as volatile and trying to have "debates." I disagree with them, in that I think their interpretation fails to address the nuances of Zionism, but I think debating this is a waste of time. I don't really care that they're wrong, in my opinion, what bothers me is that they're functionally useless.

>>2504742
Possibly.

>>2504775
>The problem with guys like Fuentes and his followers is that they sit around all day saying "it's the Jews!" but they don't actually do anything. They spend more time criticizing other right-wing anti-Zionist talking heads like Candace Owens for not explicitly hating Jews enough than they actually spend taking any kind of action which would directly impede Zionism
Purity spiraling and infighting at critical moments where action is required? Where have I seen that before?

>>2504742
They'll make it there but they won't make it back.

>>2504673
but Israel is so TINY. unless it goes full lebensraum and swallows the entire old world in its project for a "Greater Israel"

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whoa

>>2504831
just a glitch

The Flotilla members have juat been ""arrested"" by Israel. They were still in international waters.

why don't they intercept them all in one go?

>>2504831
the tracker is still showing this

>>2504880
They can't, the flotilla boats aren't cooperating with them by stopping when asked. they have to board each one individually. They could probably sink the whole flotilla in minutes with a warship, but they fear the flashback.

>>2504807
>unless it goes full lebensraum
Problem with that is demographics. There are plenty in Israel who would love to annex Gaza and the West Bank and a not small portion that would like Western Jordan, southern Lebanon and Sinai too. But even just Gaza they withdrew from the first time because there simply were too many Arabs to make occupation and settlement feasible. They can sperg out and break things all they want but unless the US really starts twisting arms in order to help Israel reverse Madagascar Plan all Gazans then even annexing Gaza is not going to happen. It's horrible or whatever but we aren't even at 100k dead out of a population of 2 million and we're 3 years in. They cannot feasibly starve Gazans into nonexistence so it's either annex and settle despite the existence of Gazans, which creates a huge security problem, or it's expel them, which despite what ZOGposters probably no US administration will ever do and which they can't get done without the US.

What Israel can continue to do is massively destabilize the region in order to keep everyone beaten down, scared or too occupied with internal problems to focus on them. The idea of a blitz to even biblically accurate Greater Israel let alone Greater Israel as the Nile to the Euphrates is fucking insane and exists exactly two places, the brains of hardcore Zionists and the brains of antisemites.

>>2504896
>we aren't even at 100k dead out of a population of 2 million and we're 3 years in
IIRC the "official" number comes only from the identifiable people which reach a clinic of some sort. And those can't be reliable either, what with Israel continually trespassing, bombing, "evacuating" and generally disabling them. As well as the under-staffing, and technical issues that surely make that bureucracy harder and less of a priority for the portion of cases where there is a corpse to count.

I would argue that there is a significant undercounting and the dead are probably in the high hundreds of thousands if not over a million by the time the Gazans are formally given "peace". And also many people are technically alive right now, but functionally dead from severely shortened lifespans, even if they just die a few years after the "ceasefire" from conflict related problems.

>>2504914
>"The problem is demographics!"
>It's horrible or whatever but we aren't even at 100k dead
>"no US administration would EVER try to mass expel the Palestinian population of Gaza! DON'T look up what Biden approached El-Sisi with in late 2023 or what the GHF is doing now!!!"
>biblically accurate Greater Israel
>"greater Israel is impossible you guys! Only hardcore Zionists and anti-semites could possibly think it's the intention of the Israeli state, which is totally not run by hardcore Zionists, and totally not backed by a country where Miriam Adelson, Mike Huckabee, and other hardcore Zionists hold powerful positions!"
Wow, I wonder if this poster has an undisclosed agenda.

>>2504897
>putting anti-Zionist in scare quotes
:)

Greg Stroker is so fucking based.

>>2504742
It’s seems like next time they will. Israel can’t handle this kind of approach, another flotilla will be attempted and with more boats.

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They've pretty much all been intercepted or are assumed to have been intercepted.

The Mikeno appears to be inside what Israel calls it's territorial waters but is moving at 0 knots. The Marinette is way behind.

https://globalsumudflotilla.org/tracker/
This link should have been included in the OP.

>>2505007
I think Mikenos GPS is broken

>>2504655
very poignant. I can see the libs screeching about the obvious already
>nooo you can't claim the tail wags the dog! that's hecking antisemitic!

>>2504951
>Greg Stroker is so fucking based.

I have a plan….

…narcosubs

toast post status?

>>2505062
toasted :(

Death Death to the IDF

>>2505054
might already be happening

>>2504914
You can safely multiply by ten the numbers of Gaza health ministry who only counts the corpses they can find.

https://arena.org.au/politics-of-counting-gazas-dead/

>Assuming that deaths from deprivation were four times the violent deaths, then the 136,000 violent deaths after 15.5 months of killing (25 April 2025) would imply 544,000 Gaza deaths from imposed deprivation, and that the total Gazan death toll would accordingly be 136,000 violent deaths plus 544,000 from imposed deprivation, leading to a staggering total of 680,000 deaths by 25 April 2025. Most of these victims, as indicated in earlier counts by the Ministry of Health are women and children.


680,000 deaths by 25 April 2025. We're in October, after escalations by Israel, you get the picture…

>>2505073
The Lancet's latest figure is 680,000

>>2504880
>why don't they intercept them all in one go?
40 ships, 500 odd people, many small boats.

>>2505073
personally I believe theres likely more than a million dead, ministry of health under count violent death, they have been without basic medical gear for a long while, all water, sanitation and food infrastructure have been destroyed, most shelters have been destroyed and theres starvation.
and the lancet numbers assume a "normal" war, we all know israeli are worse and the gaza situation is worse

Another pointless display.
Sad that china or russia don't want to bitchslap israel.
Would be sad if they have epstein stuff on china.

>>2505177
clearly doing nothing is the best choice

>>2505180
Lol. What about the innocents? Who will save them?

>>2505184
>china
>russia
>caring about innocents
lmao

>>2505186
They should.
The soviets did. The soviets almost launched nukes against israel.

>>2505194
Yes, the soviets, which unfortunately aren't around anymore.

>>2505177
Geopolitiks retards keep losing

>>2505194
>The soviets almost launched nukes against israel.
When?

history IS written by great men marxists don't @ me
when lenin was alive the internationale bourgeoisie was held by the throat, then stalin continued this till after ww2 once he developed the theory of 'peaceful competition'
there is no revolutionary vigour among the so-called vaguard

>>2505227
Shut up retard. There are plenty of Lenins out there, but there are few organized bodies of workers they can mobilize.

>>2466918
>I count this event as part of the script
Some people on this site are like the opposite of Dr. Pangloss, holding that we live in the worst of all possible worlds, and therefore if something is happening that appears good there must be a reason why it's actually bad.

the Trump Peace Plan, if accepted, is the end of Hamas. I still ask myself, what was the point of Oct 7? Hamas knew it has no powerful allies who can help. They knew it provided Bibi the perfect excuse to steamroll into Gaza, and yet… is Hamas just retarded?

>>2505712
Oct 7 and KKKhamas are clearly a Zionist OP to greatly accelerate the genocide of Palestinians.

>>2505738
this is the most logical and rational exlpanation tbh

>>2505738
>kkkhamas

You're a god damn retard you know that.

Granted, Bibi through a proxy was funding hamas.

>>2505712
Its the same logic of the Warsaw ghetto uprising the revolt of Spartacus and Cuatemoc fighting against the spanish

>>2505712
>the Trump Peace Plan, if accepted, is the end of Hamas
There is no "peace plan." It's a smokescreen. Netanyahu has already vowed not to respect it, Hamas agreed to the last one and was just ignored, "Israel" has unilaterally broken every "ceasefire," and there were terms put into the "plan" after a number of regional puppet countries had already agreed to it which are designed to look acceptable to western audiences but be red lines for Hamas. PIJ have already rejected it.

There is nothing on offer here. The entire thing is a spectacle to fool western dupes and waste their time debating over it while the US/"Israel" prepare for more war with Iran and continue the genocide.

>>2505949
You have to wonder about what kind of discourse will be produced once the dust settles and most gazans are in the ground. I hear people say that all of the people who made this genocide possible will say that it was terrible and they were against it all the time, but I have a bleak feeling it will be actually celebrated or presented as totally necessary, or that we will be gaslighted into thinking that there were never millions of gazans, just fake hamas numbers…

>>2505810
The warsaw uprising had the red army advancing in its rear

>>2505960
>once the dust settles
It will never settle, because hegemony over MENA means upholding the petrodollar and controlling a very big portion of global trade. As well as using those to undermine China/BRICS. The coming deal with the regional compradors to re-legitimize Israel rule over MENA, will give NATO an opportunity to completely trash Iran and Venezuela while being able to demand from most of the rest of OPEC that they keep oil/gas prices low.

Legends are still going!

>>2506210
I'm sorry I wasn't clear I meant once the dust settles over the genocide of gazans supported by BRICS/China, not the whole regional activity

Flotilla members are probably being beaten, tortured and raped atm

>>2505227
Clearly has never read war and peace smh

>>2506211
Call me cynical but
.
Best case scenario:
They are NOT victimized by Israel and they serve to absolve all the liberal Zionists at home that their current Zionist approved "civil society" mobilization is actually the correct response to the genocide and actually working. Because look how bad PR Israel is getting.

Worst case scenario:
They are victimized by Israel and they serve to absolve all the liberal Zionists at home that their current Zionist approved "civil society" mobilization is actually the correct response to the genocide and actually working. Because look how bad PR Israel is getting.

The Mikeno ( the ship which was closest) is assumed intercepted now, has been still for a looong time. It had an Malaysian celebrity listed on it, which is probably why they could afford being so close. The remaining ship sailing(Marinette) is much further away and has no public figures listed on Wikipedia. So they look like a good candidate for martyrdom.

Either way, this is akin to petitioning the genociders to take pity. The lot of them praising the flotilla today, bent the knee and kissed the ring and glazed Trump's plan for Gaza YESTERDAY. You can have all the PR you want, but it ain't gonna change a thing. At best, you'll get the liberal Zionist version of victory to celebrate. Which will no doubt content much of the EU, by providing absolution.

>>2505194
So they almost exterminated palestinians as well.

>>2506279
>Either way, this is akin to petitioning the genociders to take pity.
I disagree with the premise of most of the rest of your post (basing predictions on what liberal Zionists will do is as bad as basing predictions on PR), but this part is correct.

I bear no grudge against the flotilla people, but this is a war. By that I don't mean what's occurring in Gaza and the West Bank. What's occurring in Palestine is a holocaust, there is also a war there, but it is overshadowed by the wholesale campaign of slaughter and displacement. What's occurring between the governments of Europe, the UK, the US, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and all other Zionist collaborator regimes vs. the workers who live in those places is a war, an undeclared campaign of violence and suppression waged by global imperialists against humanity. I think the flotilla people were right to try what they did; it's the other organizers back home in these countries who are largely failing to seize the moment.

Europeans would be the most spineless people on the planet if Americans didn't exist. The Europeans are kicked around, spied upon, censored, harassed, and all for diminishing economic returns, while the consequences of supporting the mass displacement caused by neocon/US foreign policy creates turmoil and domestic strife. In America it is even more pathetic; Americans have many of these same problems, but also guns, and Americans lack the kind of healthcare and welfare systems which exist in much of Europe. In America there is lots of poverty, lots of crime, lots of disease, and very little in the way of public transit or affordable housing (despite an abundance of existing houses) or anything like that. America's police are extraordinarily brutal for the richest country on Earth, and its prisons are full of astonishing amounts of murder and rape.
Young men in America are possessed by a sad, lost feeling of nihilism, rejection, and abandonment, which leads to a desire for blind, cathartic vengeance; where are the leaders for these young men? Where is the movement which is ready to harness the antipathy of America's cannibalized youth, to shape that anger into a deadly weapon against the murderous American state? America has so many listless people who are sickened by what's going on and who are ready to do what is necessary, but it seems like there is no organizer in the US willing to put them to that task.

There is no excuse for this. If the current organizations fail to enter into definitive antagonism against the state to the extent necessary, there need to be people ready to form new groups - not to compete with the old groups, but simply to complete tasks which the old groups are unwilling to do.

I signed up for the Flotilla but realized I don't have a passport. I think if you have any sort of platform, you should do the same.

>>2507556
>I signed up for the Flotilla but realized I don't have a passport.
Sheesh

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>>2464017
>If communism isn’t useful to Palestine it can go to hell along with zionism
>>2502920
<If Palestine isn’t useful to communism, Palestine can go to hell alonside Israel.
I love this kind of reductive transactional thinking that prevents solidarity. it's so useful to me.

>>2506279 (me)
Actually it's much much worse.

The liberal mobilizations have absorbed all the energy and outrage into the flotilla, which comes and goes and is heavily dependent on PR from bourgeois media and NGO money.

Meanwhile, simultaneously pretty much everywhere flotilla protests are going, also had their rulers bend the knee and kiss the ring of Trump and Netanyahu with regards to the "Gaza ceasefire" and making it an official anglo-run colony. And ther protests have a very big blind spot for that.

So really, you are just getting psyopped by the same organizations which have mostly remained silent and passive during the entire genocide into, swapping the outrage to sympathetic and apolitical cause, thus defanging it. Making sure at least the EU rulers can all put out statements and commitments towards the legitimization of the Nakba 2, without anyone protesting them.

Ah well, cue the liberal Zionist articles about the great victory in the protests and the great effect they are having. I hope you like Hareetz and 972mag articles, because that's the only thing you are getting out of this psyop. Perhaps they'll get Netanyahu to make a video saying how owned he is and please stop, oh no don't protest any harder.

And before you come to plaster your favorite celebrity Palestine endorsement consider this. The same unions and NGOs driving this wave of protests will cease mobilizing their members in less than a year. They are not "your guys" and answer only to the liberal parties what needed cover right now.

>>2507736 (me)
As soon as the "flotillas" die down and they will, because they are dependent on the NGO money and the mainstream media attention (both of which can be as easily withdrawn as it is given right now), the protesting will cease. The unions will stop making Palestine an issue, even while Israel is literally stealing the strip. Even while the post-ceasefire accounting reveals the true, well a more accurate perspective of the magnitide of the genocide.

They will remain mostly silent and un-mobilized. And I would bet my right hand, certainly none of the big ones will turn the outrage on the governments at home sponsoring this genocide.

But you will recall this as a great moment in leftist history. Because you soyface every time an anarchist throws a brick, before denouncing them as liberals. There is some fucked up armchair activist envy going on btw.

>>2506279
>>2507736
>>2507751
>everything is a psyop except shitposting of leftypolturd.com
t. mossad

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why not use helicopters instead of boats?
Freedom Squadron

>>2508018
It seems like there would be a distance issue. I might be wrong.

Also that would probably mean even less aid could be brought, although that would be a secondary concern since the primary purpose is to simply overwhelm the blockade and break it.

Really the big, important strategic change that needs to happen is they need to arm. All of them - whether it's "March for Gaza" ground missions or Flotilla missions, they need to actually start smuggling weapons. It is completely possible to do, and the only difference it would make is that it would create a human cost, for the IOF, when it inevitably raids humanitarian missions. There is no material negative effect for those trying to break the siege for doing so with the intent to defend themselves and to strike damage into the enemy. It will not make the child starvers any more sympathetic when those trying to bring baby formula into the besieged Gaza strip fight back.

>>2508018
Helicopters cost more to fly than jet airplanes

>>2508018
Helicopters are even easier to hit with air defense then airplanes. If the flotilla had enough resources to afford helicopters they should instead acquire a freighter/small cargo ship and fly drones back and forth form the ship to Gaza where they parachutist in food and medicine.

Russia and Ukraine already use drones to supply forces in operational encirclement

>>2508018
Too expensive. air is far more heavily policed. can carry less at higher costs. far more dangerous. could go on - take your pick.

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The perfect woman doesn't exi-

>>2508370
nah she got that germanic chin

>gayest most liberal idpol flotilla to ever exist

>>2464000
What is there to say about this flotilla? It's good, I suppose, that they're doing something. But will it achieve anything? I saw this reel about it that, despite being predictably aborted by the zionists, it gave Gazans time to fish or something by distracting the iof, with footage of palestinians dragging some fishnets by the coast. Who knows if that footage was actually even from today, it sounds like the biggest liberal cope. Fuck man maybe I should just believe that they did get to catch some more fish because of this.

So what's the point of it all? What does this achieve? Should I believe the fishing story?

Thurnberg tortured.

Ersin Celik who was also on the Sumud Flotilla reported this.

>>2508422
Thurnberg Thunberg, sorry.

>>2508402
The strikes in Italy are a big wildcard. Hopefully they will prevail over Meloni.

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So did anything actually came out of this? The flotilla was quickly neutralized and everyone is going back home now. Neither the activists were martyred nor Israel vilified nor the liberal world order absolved of guilt like some were theorizing.
Whole thing was just a big Nothingburger served with an order of NEG fries and a large end of history soda.

>>2508458
*NEH fries

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There's truly no end to the depravity of these motherfuckers…

>>2508334
The IDF would literally sink their ship the very moment their fist drone soars from deck.
>>2508455
So far they've been successful in angering the petite bourgeoisie and the labor aristocracy, so that's a start. But since they're backed by the biggest collaborationist unions in the country I doubt they'll have any meaningful consequence on the matter…
>>2508458
>nor Israel vilified
Don't worry, another flotilla just departed from Turchia, for them the IDF will not wear velvet gloves

>>2507978
what do you think they are wrong about? cynicism and pessimism is justified given all that has happened so far

>>2508458
well the israelis get to confiscate and eat all the flotilla food so it functions to make the IDF less hungry as they massacre civilians. maybe the next flotilla should be armed. oh but that's le bad. we can't do violent activism. that's le uncivilized. we must tolerate le intolerant.

>>2508465
All I can say is that I am glad they did not rape her :/

>>2508494
Well then Israel would just confiscate and use the guns. You think Greta and her lib friends know hot to use a rifle or operate a drone?

>>2508514
dragging someone by their hair and forcing them to kiss an object is basically asymptoting towards sexual assault any way you look at it.

>>2508519
no but they're not immune to learning how (one would hope)

>>2508465
Doubt she cares. She's tougher than that. Listen to her. Concern purely for Gaza and nothing else, not a bit of whining. Does not give a fuck. Will go for round after round on the boats until IDF just bombs or shoots her. Unbreakable. Unstoppable

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>>2508465
i'm tired bros

>>2508605
They should cover the next boats in nets and mangals to stop drones. Put their own water cannon on top to shoot Israeli boarders.

>>2508847
at least we'll get to see greta's arc from concerned lib to anti-imperialist supersoldier

Reminder that only a global coalition will end zionism

only by bathing Israel in white phosporus we will be free.

>>2504673
China is like the Arab world in the Middle Ages: still an empire but much better off culturally and technologically than the West.

>>2508370
>>2508371
Not that it matters, but I think Greta Thunberg has partial Sami ancestry based on her facial structure.

>>2508950
The World in the Middle Ages:
>The West: Corrupt fanatical leaders fucking over the peasants
>Middle East: scientific and cultural capital of the world
>China: Warlords and genocides everywhere
The World now:
<The West: Corrupt fanatical leaders fucking over the workers
<Middle East: Warlords and genocide everywhere
<China: scientific and cultural capital of the world

>>2508918
israel isn't real. you are saying to bathe occupied palestine in White Phosphorous

>>2508961
it's ocupied by subhuman vermin that came from europe to larp as jews while being worse than fucking judge holden in their actions, they deserve to die.

>>2508997
at this point in time i think anyone that is israeli or support israel deserve to be tortured to death.

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Congrats on giving Israel boats and supplies . This was a another performative nothing that is actually empowering Israel

>>2508997
A country exclusively inhabited by Judge Holdens is not a bad description of Israel.

>>2508900
>Greta
>anti-imperialist supersoldier
Palestine will fade from the "public opinion" in months after the final deals are established (Oslo, Abraham, whatever they call it this time). Once the mainstream media has no more need to pander self-absolution, there is no further incentive to keep reminding the average retard that Palestine exists. Or that it is, at the time, a literal Jewish settler colony (which by then would have resumed the Gaza-ification of the west bank) run by anglos.

Whether or not, Greta has genuinely had a change of heart and is no longer a green-washing tool of NATO is irrelevant. Her entire following is, and will follow the next trend dictated to them by the activist industrial complex. And with that, Greta's power to command media attention and mobilize people will also go away.

I say this with quite a lot of spite, there is no hiding how much I hate the sperging little gremlin, bred and raised for propaganda…

BUT I do hope that Greta ditches the liberals and realizes the impossibility of tackling any of her matters of concern within liberalism. I would *not* bet on it, however.

>>2508847
Apparently they've been beating the shit out of her in prison

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>>2509034
People like you keep saying everyone will forget Palestine and move on to the next Current Thing™ for the past 20 months and it just hasn't happened. In fact, the very fact that it still remains a big topic despite the media and the government's best efforts to hide everything under the rug, just signals how people are not willing to let this one go.

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This will probably be a very unpopular opinion, but a proper Dialectical Materialist analysis of the Zionist-Palestinian conflict reveals that the “One-State Solution” is Bourgeois Liberal Individualist Idealism, as the Material Reality is that both Hamas and the PFLP have accepted the Two-State solution on the 1967 borders with 1:1 land swaps, and the only people who want a “One-State Solution” are either the Zionists who want to Genocide all of the Palestinian Arabs and annex the West Bank and Gaza into the Zionist State, or the Dumb Liberal Idealist Western Left that are Delusional enough to actually believe that Jews and Arabs can happily live together in some Imaginary Kumbaya Hippie Commune version of Palestine, as I am not afraid to drop a Truth Nuke and say that since the Zionist Frankenberger did the Holocaust and forced the entire Jewish population to flee Europe, the “Two-State Solution” has been the only viable solution to the Zionist-Palestinian conflict and Stalin was right to support the 1947 partition, and it is not his fault that the Jews and Arabs chimped out on each other, with the Zionists using this as an excuse to carry out the Genocidal Naqba, and my version of the “Two-State Solution” that will be implemented in the future Global USSR (this will be created by the successful World Maoist PPW that will happen after the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System), that is based on the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question” https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination” https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , is that the Zionist State will be overthrown by a Maoist PPW and replaced with the Jewish SSR created inside the 1967 borders with 1:1 Land swaps (very similar to the two Maps in the third Image I posted, though ignore the disgusting Zionist propaganda that was unfortunately put in the captions, 😂🤣🤢🤮!), while the West Bank and Gaza are placed in the Arab SFSR that will include all the Arab majority regions of West Asia and North Africa as shown in my Map of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in the first Image I posted (The second Image I posted specifically shows the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in West Asia), and the 1:1 Land swaps between the Jewish SSR and Arab SFSR will mean that Arab villages in the “triangle” region https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_(Israel) on the Jewish side of the 1967 borders will be exchanged for Jewish Settlements on the Arab side of the 1967 borders that are inside the “Seam Zone” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seam_Zone , so most Arabs and Jews that are in the “population transfer”, will not have to leave their homes, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2509037
how are people learning about this

>>2509041
>People like you keep saying everyone will forget Palestine and move on to the next Current Thing™ for the past 20 months and it just hasn't happened.
Revisionist take that one. It did in fact, happen. There was very little mobilization after the first few months of protests, spurred by the closing-of-ranks around the Zionist narrative of Al-aqsa flood. Then it died down and remained there until right now, with very few exceptions.

Pretty much It only has picked up now (and strictly framed around the flotilla) to distract from EU and MENA rulers bending the knee and endorsing the second Nakba and Impunity for Israel. And it's only happening now because soccdem affiliated unions and NGOs in said genocidal states were called into action by the genociders in power.

>>2509178 (You) (me)
And that was happening during the height of the genocide, highly publicized and available. The bulk of the killing and famine took part during the overwhelming silence and inaction of the very same organizations rallying around the flotilla now.

What "it signals" is that the current wave of "civil society"(read: apolitical) protests are a result of the mobilization efforts of those otherwise complicit unions, which are associated to liberal parties accomplice of the genocide, and not a grassroots effort or a response to the conditions imposed on Gazans.

We have a very simple empirical test for this, as well:

If the organizers are earnest they will eventually turn the outrage towards their own governments in supporting Trump's plan and the continued colonization of Gaza and Palestine in general.
But if they are, as I say, liberal Zionists running cover for the scheme… they will accept the "two state solution" and the coming retread of Oslo as a good thing and not the legitimization of the second Nakba and impunity of Israel that it actually is.

We'll see in less than a year who was right.

>>2508847
our narodnik

>>2508370
she's so fucking cool

>>2508402
the fact that one boat got as far as it did shows that with enough boats some might actually make it through. also they need to be able to defend themselves. deck guns and small arms. but that would be too cool so that's not going to happen


Israel tortures autistic woman.

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>>2508371
At least it's not Prussian.


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