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>>2466877Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet Most of the USA is in a recession. GDP growth propped up only by AI money, 86% of all new jobs created in 2025 are in the healthcare sector, jobs are down in most sectors and stateshttps://archive.is/EBM3GWelcome back. What is a recession? The popular, yet overly simplistic, shorthand is two consecutive quarters of negative economic growth. The US, however, has a more refined approach, determined by technocrats at the National Bureau of Economic Research.
“A recession involves a significant decline in economic activity that is spread across the economy and lasts more than a few months,” says the private non-profit. Annualised US GDP grew in the second quarter of this year, following a first-quarter contraction, meaning the country avoided a recession by the basic definition. The same appears true according to the NBER’s broader standard.
However it is defined, in this edition, I outline why the recession label isn’t particularly meaningful — especially when applied to the world’s largest economy. The main six indicators used by the NBER to determine the onset of a recession are shown in the chart below.
All six indicators were either in or close to contraction in May on a month-on-month basis. In recent months, all have remained weak, but not perhaps bad enough to clear the NBER’s criteria.
However, Pascal Michaillat, professor of economics at the University of California, Santa Cruz, cites two main shortcomings of relying on the research organisation’s approach. “It places too little emphasis on unemployment and vacancy rates,” he says. “Also, as it waits for data and revisions, recessions are often declared several months after they have begun.” Using a real-time recession detection algorithm trained on a century of broader labour market data, Michaillat — who is also a research associate at the NBER — estimates a 71 per cent probability that the US economy was already in recession in May.
“While the other NBER data might seem useful, the labour market reflects a more fundamental reality. Falling vacancies and rising unemployment are, in my view, a more reliable indicator of widespread economic distress,” he says. Indeed, in July the number of job seekers exceeded the number of openings for the first time since 2021.
Many Americans would agree with Michaillat’s assessment. In an early August poll by the Economist and YouGov, almost half of respondents said the US economy was “getting worse”. Close to one-third thought the US was already in recession; 28 per cent weren’t sure.
Clearly the NBER’s task is difficult and subjective, not to mention fraught with data complications. (I wrote about America’s dodgy jobs numbers for FT Alphaville last year.) Nor is the recession nomenclature that useful, anyway. In an economy of the US’s size — which is greater than the other G7 nations combined, on a purchasing power parity basis — many states, sectors and households can be facing a downturn, while expansions elsewhere raise activity in aggregate.
A more informative question to ask, then, is what is keeping the US afloat despite weakness across several national-level indicators?
In US President Donald Trump’s second-term, economic resilience has come largely from four narrow sources: a handful of states, artificial intelligence, healthcare and the wealthy. Using a similar methodology to the NBER, Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, finds that US states making up close to one-third of the country’s GDP are either in or at high risk of recession.
“States experiencing recessions are spread across the country,” he says. This includes the midwest and parts of the rustbelt. “California, Texas and New York, which together account for close to a third of US GDP, are holding their own, and their stability is crucial for the national economy to avoid a downturn.”
The geographical distribution of industries is a key determinant of how US regions are performing.
Zandi’s calculations find that the agriculture, manufacturing and construction sectors are in recession, which is hitting rural and industrial states. These are goods-producing sectors most likely to be affected by Trump’s tariffs and trade partners’ retaliatory measures. A downturn in the federal government sector, linked to the administration’s cuts, has also pushed Washington DC into a slowdown “Healthcare, technology and real estate are expanding, while financial services, retail and hospitality are treading water,” he adds.
Relatedly, the AI boom has provided an uplift to particular states and industries. “AI is primarily a bigger-city office technology. Most of its superstar and star hubs are in California’s coastal cities, Texas’ business cities and the Boston to Washington corridor,” says Mark Muro, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. “Data centre construction is also booming across the US, but this leads more to a short-term surge in building activity.” Pantheon Macroeconomics estimates that US GDP would have grown at a mere 0.6 per cent annualised rate in the first half were it not for AI-related spending, or half the actual rate. Beyond the surge in AI-related spending, private investment elsewhere in the US economy has started to shrink this year under the weight of higher interest rates and uncertainty. Total private fixed investment rose by about 3 per cent year on year in the second quarter, but it would have fallen by around 1.5 per cent if AI-related components were excluded, says Pantheon in a recent research note.
The annual rate of data centre construction has grown over Trump’s second term — but residential, manufacturing and other commercial building work have declined.
As Zandi’s research suggests, the healthcare industry is also driving the economy. Friday’s non-farm payrolls report, showing a small gain of 22,000 jobs in August, would have been negative were it not for the sector. So far in Trump’s second term, 598,000 jobs have been created. A staggering 515,000 — or 86 per cent of them — are healthcare and social assistance jobs.
Since April, the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ payroll diffusion index for the private sector fell below 50, signifying that more sectors are shedding jobs than gaining them. That is a rarity outside of a recession.
Healthcare jobs are less a reflection of a booming industry and more one of sickness, as I outlined in the May 18 edition of this newsletter. Indeed, household expenditure on healthcare — which accounted for 12 per cent of US GDP last year — prevented the annual growth rate of real consumer spending from going negative in the first quarter.
More broadly, real consumer spending — which comprises around two-thirds of US annual GDP — has slowed into this year.
Other than healthcare expenditure, Morning Consult’s new Consumer Health Index, which combines labour market dynamics with consumer sentiment to provide a gauge on near-term expenditure, suggests that high-income households have driven spending, while demand from lower-earning cohorts has tailed off.
Part of this reflects lower-earning households’ greater exposure to higher interests rates and slower-growing sectors. US stock market gains — linked to the AI boom — have also largely accrued to richer individuals.
“Wealth effects will go from being a drag on consumption in the wake of the ‘liberation day’ tariff announcement, to a boost, as the S&P 500 is near all-time highs,” says Bernard Yaros, lead US economist at Oxford Economics. “High-income, wealthy households will ride the coattails of this positive financial wealth effect.”
So, whether or not the NBER eventually declares a US recession is, in the end, a technicality. For now, a handful of narrow growth engines are propping up an otherwise broadly slowing economy.
This highlights America’s economic diversity and collective resilience, but it also shows that the absence of an official nationwide recession verdict does not spare large parts of the country from recession-like conditions.
In a system as vast, complex and uneven as the US economy, a binary judgment obscures more than it reveals.
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https://archive.ph/XvMp9>BLS revision shows annual hiring was overstated by 911,000 jobs>U.S. employers are adding far fewer jobs than initially tallied, in the latest sign that the labor market may be weaker than expected, according to a preliminary report from the Labor Department on Tuesday.>The report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics shows hiring for the 12 months ending in March was overstated by an estimated 911,000 jobs. It was the largest such preliminary revision on record, going back to 2000.>The revision comes at a time when President Trump is politicizing the BLS and casting doubt on its data, as part of his wider efforts to exert more control over all aspects of the U.S. government.>Last month, he fired the previous BLS head after a weaker-than-expected jobs report, claiming without evidence that the agency was manipulating the numbers to make the economy under his term look bad. >Tuesday's revision does more to make the economy under President Biden look bad: It tracks hiring data through the 12 months ending in March, after Trump had only been back in office for weeks. >Yet the White House on Tuesday was quick to claim vindication from what is normally a routine annual data update. >"The BLS is broken. This is exactly why we need new leadership to restore trust and confidence in the BLS's data," White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said in an emailed statement. >The BLS has traditionally built trust and confidence by regularly checking and publicly revising its data. Tuesday's revision is part of a routine, annual exercise in which the government checks its monthly jobs numbers — which come from a sampling of employers — against much more complete data from state tax records. (Tuesday's estimate is preliminary. A final tally will be released early next year.)>But now Trump's attacks against the BLS are raising concerns that the government's number crunchers will be politically motivated, which is fueling worries about the integrity of the country's economic data.>On Tuesday, top members of Trump's administration echoed his attacks on the BLS. "It's difficult to overstate how useless BLS data had become. A change was necessary [to] restore confidence," Vice President J.D. Vance posted on X. >Trump last month nominated conservative economist E.J. Antoni to lead the BLS. Antoni previously worked at the right-leaning Heritage Foundation, and many commentators have raised concerns about whether he has the experience to run the agency or whether he will protect it from political influences. Antoni would need to be confirmed by the Senate.>Tuesday's revision was somewhat expected, but still on the high end of what both economists and White House officials predicted. >In a research note published Sunday, economists at Goldman Sachs predicted that the revision would be between 550,000 and 950,000 jobs. And in a Sunday interview with NBC's Meet the Press, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent put his estimate at up to 800,000 jobs. >The revision is likely to further compound concerns about the labor market. Last week, the Labor Department reported lackluster job growth during the summer months, with employers adding just 22,000 jobs in August and a net loss of jobs in June for the first time since the pandemic winter of 2020.>The Federal Reserve has been closely monitoring signs of weakness in the labor market, ahead of a key decision on interest rates next week. The central bank is widely expected to cut its benchmark borrowing rate by a quarter percentage point in an effort to prevent widespread job losses. >But Tuesday's BLS revision also gave the White House another opportunity to criticize the Fed and its chair, Jerome Powell. Trump has been openly pressuring both to lower rates, as he seeks to bring the independent central bank under his control. >"Much like the BLS has failed the American people, so has Jerome 'Too Late' Powell — who has officially run out of excuses and must cut the rates now," Leavitt said in her emailed statement.>And on X, Treasury Secretary Bessent echoed his boss: "President Trump inherited a far worse economy than reported, and he's right to say the Fed is choking off growth with high rates," Bessent wrote. U need more circumstancial evidence about the PDF file cabal.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/gallery/2025/sep/09/jeffrey-epstein-birthday-book-in-picturesNote the drawing depicting the beach at more a lego?
I did.
>>2468756Based.
Fuck America
Fuck the European Union
Fuck NATO
Fuck “The West”
>>2468862I live in NC, and I see races getting along too.
Nazis think they're independent critical thinkers just because they're contrarians towards liberalism, but they can't break from liberalism's fixation on identity. Nazis are controlled opposition
>>2469172>The girl getting stabbed by a schizo nutjob is a tragedy, but its clearly being manipulated to some political end. There's nothing actually exceptional about this murder, and they're talking about it weeks after it actually happened.Because the gore snuff porno was released.
>Why are they targeting Charlotte specifically? It's a "blue" city, but it's not some great liberal bastion NYC, Chicago, San Fransisco, Portland, Seattle, etc. What's their angle here?Because there is a snuff film for them to jack off to in this instance.
Get ready to see this lazy eyed hohol cam model's one eye staring at you as one stares into the void for all eternity.
>>2469180>You Americans are weird about race.It's literally just /pol/ schizos and their ilk on twitter. Most of them aren't even American.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cronos-pump-trump-social-plan-013601967.htmlCronos Pump: Will Trump’s Social Plan Drive CRO Price?
>Trump Media and Technology Group has rolled out a new feature on its Truth Social platform that ties its digital rewards system to cryptocurrency – will this scheme pay off?
>According to the company, users who subscribe to the Patriot Package, the paid version of its Truth+ streaming service, will now receive extra benefits, including access to “Truth gems.”
>These gems can be earned through activities across Trump Media platforms and later converted into Cronos (CRO), the native token of Crypto.com, and the exchange’s wallet infrastructure will handle the conversion process.
>This move represents a shift in strategy. Earlier this year, Trump Media had floated the idea of launching its own digital wallet and utility token.
>In an April 29 letter to shareholders, CEO Devin Nunes explained that such a token could be used for subscription payments and potentially expanded to other products within the company’s ecosystem.
>At the time, the token was also being considered as the centerpiece of a broader rewards system.
>Speculation in May suggested that Trump Media might introduce a Truth Social memecoin, but the company dismissed those reports. Donald Trump Jr. publicly stated that there was “no truth” to the claims. >>2469257>It's just annoying when some rando crime happens in America, like it does every day, and then amerinoids make a big hubbub about it and we gotta hear them whine about this shit for weeks. As if americans aren't stabbing and shooting each other all day every day lmaoMost of these /pol/faggots aren't American like I pointed out:
>>2469183>It's literally just /pol/ schizos and their ilk on twitter. Most of them aren't even American.This dude in the tweet is from Ireland.
>>2469248like i said in the last thread, the attack against "cashless" bail is always limited to "Cashless" bail because the presumption of class society is that the rich patrick bateman psychos should always be free to walk because they have money. They love their two tiered justice system.
>>2469249>So how long do we gotta hear americucks whine about this rando white girl getting stabbed?if it was a white man stabbing a black woman it would be totally unremarked upon. Just like cops opening fire on this disabled man went totally unremarked. Which particular violence the state chooses to focus on (while ironically bitching and moaning "why is nobody talking about this" even as the president talks about it) chooses which demographics they want to focus on. American white petty bourgeois want the "criminal blacks" out of their hair but they never want to do anything about poverty, addiction, or the root causes of crime. Let alone reckon with the historical reasons why there are Africans in America in the first place, be in the transatlantic slave trade, or the CIA coups of the 20th century.
>>2469252because our government is run by pedos committing genocide on behalf of Israel but somehow the random crashout of a lunatic on a train is worthy of not merely all our attention, but the scapegoating of black people in genera, which we've seen polcucks coming in here to say "TND" all week.
>>2469193Chill, brother. I'm not even black, not even 'murrican, but from my perspective you guys are too hang up on shitty race politics and such. Wypepo be crazy all the time, but also black ppl, so you know. The difference is in sociological backgrounds, really ($$$)…
Just chill the fuck out and don't get dragged into THE NEXT TWITTER FEUD or some shit.
>>2469297It's interesting, there was tremendous amount of debate about the "dog whistle" in the Willie Horton campaign.
But now there is no dog whistle. The entire politics that is happening right now is purely racial. There's not even another layer to it or a mask.
You can go to this "gofundme" and see the comments on it
https://www.givesendgo.com/irynaIn this way I don't think we are going to find another "bipartisan crime bill" as was done before. The bipartisandship require the dogwhistle. The right isn't shifting the window here they are just becoming completely insane, they don't know how to do politics anymore. They just know how to be incredibly filled with rage and aggrieved. I don't think there's anything to say about them.
I do want to note how foolish many people were to get made about "wokeness". You're going to wish it was back. You're going to wish you could revive the much maligned "cancel culture".
>>2469297in the opinion of the chuds, the solution is always more prisons, which in this country are objectively rape and slavery dungeons that spread disease and mental illness, and lead directly to recidivism.
>>2469339>In this way I don't think we are going to find another "bipartisan crime bill" as was done before. The bipartisandship require the dogwhistle. The bipartianship doesn't require the dog whistle. Democrats and Republicans alike are openly genocidal maniacs and always have been. The democrats were the party of Andrew Jackson and the Ku Klux Klan. The Republicans of 1860-1900 were actually more "progressive" but that barely matters anymore.
> The right isn't shifting the window here they are just becoming completely insane, they don't know how to do politics anymore. They just know how to be incredibly filled with rage and aggrieved. I don't think there's anything to say about them.The situation is going to get so much worse. People who just want to be left alone are going to get dragged in and forced to "pick". This already happens in our prison system where white boys who didn't really care about racial identity on the outside are forced to join the Aryan Brotherhood. "The Outside" is becoming more like the prison system if you think about it.
>>2469368==A Dramatic Reading of The Recent New York Times Dispatch from the Hamptons=
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/30/style/hamptons-nyc-mayor-cuomo-adams-mamdani-fundraising.html==New York’s Very Rich Reel Over the NYC Mayoral Race and Mamdani’s Lead=
>>2468833The stabbing story is helping Trump sell militarizing American blue cities. He's coming for Portland now. He's just going to keep expanding. Mike Johnson says "Just accept it; it's for your own good. Don't you care about the safety of Americans? The left is bitching about this, but I don't think they oughta play it that way.."
I'm paraphrasing of course.
This is fucking horrifying. And no one is going to be able to stop it. What the actual fuck? We're going to have martial law by the end of the fall. With curfews and everything.
Do the MAGA cunts really think they are just going to be unaffected by this? Do they think the liberals are going to be identified and punished? IS that something we need to worry about? Holy shit, why does no one care about this?
>>2469391What awful is it’s not even been 1 year.
I’ve never seen a more hopeless and doomed administration.
>>2469406There’s never going to be a solution to random violence because random violence is simply random.
If we just listen to what MAGA wants here they are clear. It’s just the jailing (at best) of all black people. Not “crime,” because they now have a genetic view of “crime” and see these two as equivalent. Whereas BLM had demands to reform policing that was actually truly intersectional, the moment the right wing is trying to make is just explicitly racist agitation against black Americans with the intention of escalating racial hostility and creating and intensifying inter-American conflicts.
It’s simply an admission of defeat. America has no faith in itself.
>>2469422Quite the opposite for me
I find it easier to have an honest conversation with a maga retard than with a libshit
>>2469468>>2469474I shouldnt laugh because it's a poor refugee that's been killed by an insane criminal but lmao man…
The griftcor shitcoin right is pure lameness and capeshit
>>2469427>>2469422They are the same thing, a "liberal" will become a fascist or an ex-liberal when the chips are down. many of our more credentialed or well off friends who might be sympathetic to progressive values but not a communist will find it easier to rationalize chauvinism and dehumanization than to renounce the social system they identify with.
If Trump leaves the picture but the same regime is in place with either Vance or Newsom at that head, liberals will find the continuation of the regime preferable to a revolution because the regime is a harsher form of what they otherwise want and can be "fixed" eventually in their mind, and a revolution is a point of no return.
>>2469481I agree that they are the same
I only said this to provoke the lib-lovers of USApol
USApol threads are proof that americans are nazis who want to enslave me
>>2468833It's a young white woman who looked like a scared child when she died. It's brutal, random, and meaningless.
Her killer is a drugged up black guy who was released over a dozen times before.
It's the perfect storm.
>>2469493what do you want to talk about? Your reich has been nurturing a genocidal ethnostate and the ethnostate is doing its genocidal stuff
What? You gonna act all surprised now that israelis are droning aid convoys now?
>>2469427Idk why people are clowning on you. Magatards are evil and retarded and also dishonest, but they're dishonest in such an unsophisticated and emotional way that they ironically end up being very transparent accidentally.
Liberals on the other hand are genuinely deceitful. Expert liars.
For the present, it is essential to grasp the incontestable truth that a Marxist must take cognisance of real life, of the true facts of reality, and not cling to a theory of yesterday, which, like all theories, at best only outlines the main and the general, only comes near to embracing life in all its complexity.
“Theory, my friend, is grey, but green is the eternal tree of life.”[11]
To deal with the question of “completion” of the bourgeois revolution in the old way is to sacrifice living Marxism to the dead letter.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/apr/x01.htm>>2469493Talk about what?
The usage of drone warfare?
Shit's brutal I'll say, remembering hearing about how bad they are in the "It can happen here" podcast.
What would be the counter as a palestinian?
The objective inevitability of capitalism which grew into imperialism brought about the imperialist war. The war has brought mankind to the brink of a precipice, to the brink of the destruction of civilisation, of the brutalisation and destruction of more millions, countless millions, of human beings.
The only way out is through a proletarian revolution.
At the very moment when such a revolution is beginning, when it is taking its first hesitant, groping steps, steps betraying too great a confidence in the bourgeoisie, at such a moment the majority (that is the truth, that is a fact) of the “Social-Democratic” leaders, of the “Social-Democratic” parliamentarians, of the “Social-Democratic” newspapers—and these are precisely the organs that influence the people—have deserted socialism, have betrayed socialism and have gone over to the side of “their own” national bourgeoisie.
The people have been confused, led astray and deceived by these leaders.
>>2469634All of this ultimately circles back to one fundamental core contradiction with the left: the masses are, in a lot of ways, more revolutionary than the people who have been assigned by both themselves and the powers that be to lead the masses. When a random cashier at the Dollar General is telling me, "Wow, things are way too expensive here, I can't even afford to eat here," he's telling me this offhandedly. But then the political pundit on the left is just talking about how, I don't know, that Dollar General person needs to go to an AOC (genocide supporter) rally because we have to "meet people where they are." I do wonder who exactly we are meeting in the middle? The capitalist? Because that person doesn't get a single thing from a rally like that, but the capitalist does.
Hasan and other members of the 'media left' like Second Thought serve not as revolutionary educators or agitators, but as pundits who can take the working class and effectively move their radical energy towards the status quo. The bartender tells you that she wishes we could have a new constitutional convention, rewrite the document with the input of marginalized people, and prepare our communities for armed struggle and the state repression that comes with that. The leftist pundit, who is making at least 40k a month (when I was working at Whataburger the yearly take-home was a bit less than 20k), says that's unrealistic, that there's no revolutionary energy in the US and that the best we can do is donate to them and support those who profit from our slaughter like AOC.
What would the Panthers do with 100k a month in Patreon donations? One well-produced YouTube video a month, or a people's medical clinic? What would HOUDINI do with that money? It should be clear to you. The problem isn't the money being made, it's how significant those resources are in relation to material struggle. The point is, we're so disconnected from where we need to be; our leadership exists in a different class sphere than us. A lot of leftists among this professional activist class actually strongly dislike the working class. They feel like they're better than us, and though this intellectualization, they feel some kind of weird moral obligation to help us. That's how you get these rich white dudes with their podcasts and shit talking about socialism. But they would never hang out with somebody who works at the gas station. They would never. They cannot relate to the struggle of eating 2 ham sandwiches a day for a week in order to make rent, they cannot relate to the hunger pangs that come with the malnutrition of a food desert diet. If we allow these people to lead us, we will lose.
We must understand the stakes: the regime seeks to kill everything and everyone in the name of profit. The resistance seeks to destroy the powers that be and prevent the mass death of the planet. There can be no room for reformism in this framework. There can be no room for supporting those who vote and send bombs to murder children in order to appeal to the well-paid YouTube pundit's sense of "meeting people where they are."
HOUDINI is from the masses. HOUDINI is the masses. HOUDINI lives and dies just like the masses. No LA house, no NYC loft, no well-paid speaking tours or event tickets. The pundit left has betrayed the working class, squandering our donations and good will to fuel their lifestyles. I will not sit and watch another YouTube video about the struggle produced by someone who doesn't live in that struggle. I don't need a documentary to tell me how I'm already living, and neither does the rest of the working class.
>>2469649keyword: was
when you kill a CEO you ascend from libbery. it's true. I called marx and he confirmed.
>>2469584On the one hand, we have all the evidence.
On the other hand, he said "it wasn't me."
So, it's a mystery.
>>2469474I'd fucking love it if they did the did the "Summer of Iryna"(bit late in the season but w/e). If nothing else because it would run like wildfire to the EU with this Ukraine link. Man, the USA is really squandering their opportunities here.
It's the perfect thing, white woman, brown criminal, Ukraine… they should find some conservative statements on the murderer's social media, and , if they really want to suceed in Europe some pro-Palestine or Muslimfriendly statements.
This shit is so funny. And the fact that so many dupes earnestly have more empathy for the Murderporn of the week rather than the local homeless or each other as workers never ceases to amaze. It's an idiot's own punishment day in and day out. More please. I want all their minds fucked and all their sons sent to war.
>>2469704>>2469686Yeah at this point, I'm losing compassion for the people of this country. Not for any moronic JDPON "hurr durr labor aristocrat" reasons, but because people here really are the architects of their own exploitation and suffering. They're getting the exploiters they deserve.
We have a bad habit of infantilizing workers who vote against their interests, ultimately, there comes a point where you have to call a spade and spade and say that the working class in America has been so mentally and physically broken as to start gleefully acting as its own gravedigger.
The most realistic thing you can do is just jump ship and carve out as much autonomy and grassroots organization as you can in the cracks of America's collapsing foundation. Shit's gonna fall apart, and the rightoids will deny it until the second the rubble falls on them, while the libs will fiddle while Rome burns, tut-tutting over "ya shoulda voted for Hillary!" before a column falls on them.
>>2469715>>2469716If marxists like those found here are the best this country can produce, no.
You think the revolution is gonna be led by a bunch of sneering internet addicts who waste their lives screaming at each other? Fuck outta here, you’re not revolutionaries, you’re just another casualty of how capitalism has fandomized politics and emptied it of substance.
Some normie rando volunteering with Food Not Bombs is more meaningfully communist in their actions than some fucking Heckin’ Epic Poster endlessly screeching online about Bordiga or whatever
>>2469180Yep, dude was a literal schizo that kept being released because Amerifat would rather let insane homeless people roam the streets than to actually do something about it.
I live in the NC area, lots of homeless bruthas, some can barely talk. Nobody does anything and just waits until it boils over like this.
>>2468862>This racial debate is so funny because I live in Texas and I only see races getting along. I can't remember seeing a single racially charged incident ever. There was an attempt by race-demagogue grifters to get something going over that stabbing at a track meet but it was a total flop.
>>2469172>The girl getting stabbed by a schizo nutjob is a tragedy, but its clearly being manipulated to some political end. I think the Republicans want to get off the Epstein thing. Also they get to play up having sympathy for a Ukrainian and are like "oh all those people with Ukrainian flags in their bios are silent on this one!!!" And it plays in to their domestic war on terror.
>>2469257>It's just annoying when some rando crime happens in America, like it does every day, and then amerinoids make a big hubbub about it and we gotta hear them whine about this shit for weeks. As if americans aren't stabbing and shooting each other all day every day lmaoI mean this is tabloid political-media propaganda. There's so much of this and it's a constant, frenzied competition to throw out cheesy bait into the water to see which fishes will bite.
>>2469346>"The Outside" is becoming more like the prison system if you think about it.The walls are keeping us out!
>>2469405>Something concerning about the US compared to other countries is that it's a quasi police state with a huge carceral population, enormous violent cop population, strict justice. But nearly every population center is full of insane people, petty crimes and drug addicts. Even in rural areas. I can't think of any other country that is like this. People could say Russia in the 1990s but the police state was moribund, instead replaced with mobs and various agencies fighting each others.It's paradoxical and is kind of how the British parodied American policing in Judge Dredd. It can be very authoritarian but there's also out-of-control crime everywhere, so clearly the Justice Department of Mega-City One isn't doing their job very well.
One thing some progressive reformers have claimed is that the American system is harsh but also kind of random. I don't know if this is true, but let me lay it out: It has tended to be politically popular to increase the severity of sentencing in response to crime, because people hear about crime and WHITE GIRL MURDERED and think grrrrrrr and their impulse is to punish, and politicians are rewarded for this, which has led to a ratcheting up of prison sentences which never seem to go down. But the more you do this, the slower the system actually works. Because there are ALWAYS more offenses to treat with "zero tolerance" policies than there is punishment capacity. Even worse, the more severe the sentencing is, the less certain it is that you will punish the criminals!
For example, there are county jails all over the country overloaded with people who have been busted for crimes (in many cases, serious crimes) but the system takes a long time to process the criminals before convicting them on a felony that can send them to a state or federal prison for a long time. Then to reduce overcrowding in the county jail, there are moves to shift offenders into the probation system, but that can be all over the place. Conservatives complain about this all the time. They read about some guy who was on probation and had multiple violations, and wasn't punished, and then eventually committed a home invasion / burglary / proceeded to lead the cops on high-speed chase that ended in a crash with multiple innocent victims. But let's say that guy was addicted to meth, and he got busted but was put on probation, failed a drug test and got off with a warning, and kept using, and failed another drug test, got off withj another warning, and then eventually committed the burglary to pay for his drug addiction.
So in that situation, it would've been optimal to send that guy to jail for 48 hours immediately after his first failed drug test. He's more likely to quit using (apparently) when it's that quick and certain. A short and certain sentence like that appears to work a lot better than eventually sending that guy to prison for a 20 years after he eventually commits a serious crime because of his drug addiction and the judge finally revokes his probation, where he's going to be sitting in the country jail taking up space for months while awaiting trial. It sounds harsh when you put it this way, like sending a guy to jail immediately for blowing a drug test, but if this theory is true, we could have a system where overall people don't go to prison as much as they do, and there would be less crime.
There are also social programs. I don't know if anyone believes you can solve crime with just social programs, but they do help. But this is the United States.
>>2469751Both the GOP and the DNC loves black people an Trump pardon black criminal rappers all the time, half of ICE employees are black. Stop with this constant ethnonarcissism it's not Jim Crowe anymore no matter how much black soyllenials with a chip on their shoulders cry about it.
The only demographic the GOP and a (small) parts of the Dem wants to "throw under the bus" by stripping them of their civil rights is trans people. But it doesnt make you feel like a brave hero for standing up for them because they're too white-coded or they have male privilege wathever.
>>2469769>Both the GOP and the DNC loves black peopleno they don't
>Trump pardon black criminal rappers all the timethis just shows that rich and famous people get off, especially if their job is to be entertainers. What did Malcolm X say about black entertainers? He said that only in the US black community are comedians and musicians treated as "leaders" because their job is to pacify the black population against capitalism and white supremacy. The execs who own the music business use hip hop as basically a more advanced version of minstrel shows, to reinforce negative stereotypes. Class conscious hip hop is suppressed from the radio and doesn't sell records for a reason. Party Rappers, Dril rappers, gangster rappers. are treated as important in that field while Dead Prez is not.
>Stop with this constant ethnonarcissism????
>it's not Jim Crowe anymore no matter how much black soyllenials with a chip on their shoulders cry about it.It's not Jim Crowe but when Peyton Gendron shot up a grocery store full of black people 8klan cheered. When Dylan Roof shot up a church full of black people 4klan cheered. When one black man stabs one Ukrainian woman who 1940s nazis would have considered "subhuman" for being a slav, 4klan screeches for days and calls for "Total Nyghur Death." Our justice system gives black men or poor men longer sentences for the same crimes as a white man or a rich man. Our justice system gives black men the death penalty more often. Our prison system is just a loophole for the 13th amendment. Are you seeing what I'm seeing?
>The only demographic the GOP and a (small) parts of the Dem wants to "throw under the bus" by stripping them of their civil rights is trans people.We can care about trans people and black people at the same time anon. Also both parties are genociding Palestinians as we speak so idk how you can say "only" trans people are being thrown under the bus.
>But it doesnt make you feel like a brave hero for standing up for them because they're too white-coded or they have male privilege wathever.I literally do all the time. What the FUCK are you talking about?
>>2469780Happy New Year 2018
>>2469772Acting like black americans are somehow targetted and being stripped of their civil rights by the GOP/DNC is as hysterical as "it's le trans genocide" posters sorry.
But at least the hysteria of the latter, while overblown, is justified considering the establishment is openly attempting to strip them of their civil rights in both the US and the
UK.
>How many black rappers has Trump pardoned?Like 10.
>Do you have a source that 50% of ICE employees are black?Voluntary hyperbole, but any ICE video shows lots of black ICE agents and very brown latinos.
>>2469776>8klan cheered. When Dylan Roof shot up a church full of black people 4klan cheered. When one black man stabs one Ukrainian woman who 1940s nazis would have considered "subhuman" for being a slav, 4klan screeches for days and calls for "Total Nyghur Death."That's unpleasant words on the internet that are not backed by any massive action in real life.
>We can care about trans people and black people at the same time anonI never never said we couldnt. I am pointing out it is hysterical to imply the current GOP and DNC are doing TND or even something like stripping black people of their civil rights.
>>2469751>How likely do you guys believe it is for the lib Dems to start throwing black americans under the bus?Are democrats gonna throw women(abortion) under the bus?
Are democrats gonna throw LGBT under the bus?
Are democrats gonna throw poorest workers under the bus?
Are democrats gonna throw migrants under the bus?
Are democrats gonna throw any racialized group under the bus?
Are democrats gonna throw anti-zionists under the bus?
Are democrats gonna throw parents under the bus?
Are democrats gonna throw sick people under the bus?
Are democrats gonna throw lumpen under the bus?
Are democrats gonna throw
literally fucking everyone under the bus?
The answer is *yes*. It is always *yes*. The only difference is who will get it this time. They'll hold whoever is slated by the capitalists to get it this time hostage, and hurt them until you care enough to participate in the culture war in their defense, but not quite enough to do anything about the underlying problems. After all, the culture war is so accessible and a totally different business from real politics. You can do so much GOOD and prevent so much HARM by just dancing to the tune.
>>2469783>That's unpleasant words on the internet that are not backed by any massive action in real life. those were directly in response to actual mass murders that occurred in real life.
>I never never said we couldnt. you implied we don't
>I am pointing out it is hysterical to imply the current GOP and DNC are doing TND or even something like stripping black people of their civil rights.racism is bipartisan in this country and always has been. it doesn't have to be literally slavery/segregation/jim crowe for that to be the case. systemic racism didn't end in 1968. It just took on newer and more subtle forms. We still have sentencing disparities for one thing. The administration is actively using this random killing to rile up anti-black sentiment in the public.
>>2469783>Acting like black americans are somehow targetted and being stripped of their civil rightsBut no one said that. And the person you replied to spoke about the future.
<How many black rappers has Trump pardoned?>Like 10.It‘s 5. Lil Wayne, Kodak Black, Michael Harris, Youngboy and Larry Hoover. That’s 5 black people out of a total of 1600 people Trump has pardoned by the way. 10 wouldn‘t even amount to pardoning black rappers “all the time”. How would that even prove that the entire GOP loves black people? Trump is evidently racist given how he tried get black minors executed for a crime they didn‘t commit. It‘s plausible to say that Trump is using them as a political token to get more popular among black people and Gen Z.
<Do you have a source that 50% of ICE employees are black?>Voluntary hyperbole, but any ICE video shows lots of black ICE agents and very brown latinos.So you were lying. And brown latinos aren‘t black lmao. And it‘s 15% by the way.
https://www.zippia.com/u-s-immigration-and-customs-enforcement-ice-careers-1583818/demographics/?utm_source=chatgpt.comJust say you‘re racist and fuck off.
>>2469822The brief cheering from the left is gonna last so little lel
Big Balls was nothing compared to this. And the Dems ain't gonna save you no matter how progressive and well meaning and totally socialist they claim to be.
(Rule 12 - low-quality reactionary content) >>2469840>/pol/ troll thinks we expect anything from demsOnce again our enemies have zero literacy
>muh big ballsyou mean how a bunch of feds sat around doing mostly nothing after a broccoli cut incel creeped on a 15 year old
>>2469879It's very humanizing and scary to see someone killed, no matter who it is. At the end of the day we're all flesh and blood.
That said, womp womp
>>2469886Because he‘s a sentimental idiot. Charlie Kirk is a propaganda machine. Sorry
was.
>>2469963>use this as a casus belli to crack down hard on leftists, I guarantee itFUCKING BASED. I'd love to see some faggot sissies get their heads clocked.
YEARS OF LEAD IS ON BITCHES. TIME TO PARTY. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>2469821I'm sure there's a
The Horde panel appropriate for this.
Here's to Jezebel getting Gawkered now.
>>2470122He's gonna pull through
I know it
>>2470133i'm saying he was right about this:
>the worse it gets here, the closer we get to civil war and revolution, and the more troops get pulled back home from imperialism to suppress the locals,but he was also, objectively speaking, right about this:
> the more china winsboth statements are true, even if you regard one as shilling for a country, which yeah, it is shilling, but it's also true.
He died like he lived: getting owned by libtards.
>>2470043It was awesomesauce.
>>2470195There's no way he survived that lmao.
As they say on world star, "he leakin"
>>2470153>not a strong firearm that could crush his skull and secure the kill,Bullets don't crush, they pierce. The hell are you talking about. A 9mm in the head will definitely kill you. It's not about crushing, it's about turning your insides to mush. The entry hole will be close to the size of the bullet, but it will create a much large diameter exit wound.
It was probably a .556 like everyone uses including the military.
>>2470223I mean if he really got his artery hit then he's not making it to the hospital alive.
The fucker is going to live goddamnit, nothing ever fucking happens
>>2470304real praxis
>>2470308shit, this is what I meant in
>>2470259, thanks
>>2470218>Bullets don't crush, they pierce.I am talking in a broader sense, yes? like "killing the skull". don't get to nerd about it.
>A 9mm in the head will definitely kill you.fam, that depends on the range. that's why I am sure the sniper went for the neck, he probably calculated that by the size of his gun, ammunition type and distance, the skull could have withstood part of impact.
>>2470320+ it is clear that it wasn't 5.56 or .308 because the exit hole would have practically cut his head
that was either a 300blk subsonic and hand loaded or one of those .380 carbines
>>2470339Zero contradiction. They are simply racist. White Ukrainian woman = human in their eyes
IDF soldier = human
Palestinians = Not human in their eyes.
>>2470362wasn't following the conversation, my bad.
The blood clot shit is from 2019
https://xcancel.com/KyleKashuv/status/1087584893817651200#m pre emptively made the next edition because let's be real, this one is going really fast
BREAD >>2470382BREAD >>2470382BREAD >>2470382BREAD >>2470382BREAD >>2470382Don't go until this one is full in like 5 minutes or whatever it has left.
>>2470423>Hate to rain on your parade but Charlie Kirk is pretty inconsequential at the end of the day. What power does he have?he had*
Quick chatGPT AI query result on "how influential is Turning Point USA?"
>>2469408But they aren't. I'd say 80% of Americans are in the middle somewhere and not locked into the extremes. You're just as bad as them if you're going to call them "evil" and be more divisive.
We need to unite and attack the 1% somehow, not fight each other for scraps. We need to educate the right better.
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