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What Soviets could have done to win the Cold War?

From my own head:

-[Re-]legalise other political parties than CPSU after WW2 ends on the condition that CPSU retains a privelleged position (most importantly, exclusive control over the Soviet army). One party dictatorship could have justified during the time of Revolution, preparation for the unevitable backlash of the reactionary forces (WW2), and WW2 itself, but Khruschev already had really no excuse for keeping it. Deliberately design it that way that members of the Communist party could get noticeably less treats than members of these other parties, so all of the treats-oriented opportunists and careerests became honeytrapped in these other parties instead, keeping CPSU pure.

-Unlike army, Soviet police should have been independent from Communist party… and arrest Khruschev and co for investigation under the charge of "if Stalin was so evil, why had you worked for him for so long?". (And organisation of a coup… And murder of Beria…). Hold a big public trial in Moscow for investigation of Stalin's alleged and real crimes.

-Make a "continental" colonialism the target of your propaganda instead of "oceanic" colonialism. Make in your propaganda comparsions between what Anglo settles were doing to Amerindians with what Nazis were doing to Slavs. Claim that Finnish porkies are not real Finns, but Swedish craKKKa colonisers stealing language and identity of the POC they are conquering (and that the same were the case with Estonians and Balts before WW2). In general, present anti-imperialism as a moral foundation of your project rather than anti-capitalism.

-Despite the previous point, try not to intervene agaist imperialism at all. Not even in Hungary. Instead, invest in computing and let Nikolay Brusnetsov use his ternary Setun computer in the industry at last.

-Don't backstab Mao like that. Just… don't.

Nuke everybody

>the US is communist and balkanized but North Korea still has not invaded South Korea.

Stayed comitted to socialism

>>2471042
Maybe the cultural and social differences had grew so large that even without the USA, North Koreans and South Koreans are not the same nation anymore. Like, the reason Malaysia in our world is not annexing Singapore is not some sort of USA protection.

The Soviet Union was guaranteed to fall apart sooner or later, because its problems were structural. It was an extremely top-heavy bureaucracy with a small handful of central failure points, so even if the US wasn't a factor, if reaction or even just plain old incompetency made their way to the top, they would have instantly crumbled under their own weight like they did in the real world.

>>2471042
it looks like people's korea border is further south than in real life. but this is alternate history.

>>2471028
So Gorbachev political reforms?

If Barbarossa was delayed or prevented that might have changed the course of the rest of the 20th century. All those young men who would've become factory workers and party members died on the Eurasian steppe instead.

Ideally what China has done for the last few decades, realistically nothing.

Give them a copy of Crisis in the Kremlin fuck it. See what happens

>>2471028
Unironically, should've left the governing to a commie super computer. The human element is too prone to corruption.

they could've just won

Incredibly idiotic takes OP.
The only solid answer I can think of is a great investment into computer development, cybernatisation. The only way USSR could have survived is making planned economy superior to markets in productivity, which they failed at.

>>2472163
Can someone smart tell me why the Soviets didn't do this
Like
Computers and automation and planning and socialism seems like they'd go together like bread and butter
And it's not like they were stupid

>>2472170
They did, to a degree. But were not willing to invest as heavily as was required, military kept hogging all the new tech, and various departments and ministries kept fighting over resources for their own computerisation projects rather than working together. Enterprise managers, bureaucrats and professionals (i.e. the middle and upper classes of eastern block) did not have vested interest in communisation of economy, and correctly saw western capitalism as a way towards greater living standards for themselves.

There is a game called Crisis in the Kremlin:Cold War made by some Russian commies instead of nationalist Paradox
You can find this game on Steam.

>>2471028
Continue Stalin's line of non-intervening while developing productive forces. Also, no revisionism. For example, Hungarian shit happened only because of Khruschev's anti-Stalinism mixing with attempts to befriend Yugoslavia, which has resulted in breaking Hungarian Communist Party apart while letting anti-communists get supplies to Hungary through Yugoslav border

>>2472282
Endgame is shit. You just steamroll everyone after USA's collapse. Devs need to take notice of what's happening today in regards to China destroying NATO and USA economically and politically and project this to the hypothetical scenario of USSR winning Cold War

They never stood a chance when the communists were defeated in Germany after WW1

>legalise other political parties
So they can be used by US to spread chaos and overthrow your government. Nice.

>present anti-imperialism as a moral foundation of your project rather than anti-capitalism.

Go woke! And what would that achieve?
While anti capitalism can be well argued and understood your woke shit will be repulsive to most normal people.

>try not to intervene against imperialism at all

Easier said than done when imperialism intervenes with You.

>Don't backstab Mao like that

It's not one guy being bad while the other was a victim kinda case.

Brain dead thread. Might even be a right wing transhumanist bait idk.

>>2471028
why should other parties be allowed to exist?

>>2472170
Why would the bureaucrats disempower the bureaucracy?

>>2472451
To preserve the status quo. The US is a great example of a one-party state dictatorship with several parties that just keep playing musical chairs while not actually altering the foundational policies.

>>2472447
Isn't the popular conspiracy theory among tankies about yakovlev and other us spies toppling over the SU while almost all of the upper party went wirh it which means it wouldn't have mattered if there were other parties.

>muh woke

Ah ok kys

I disagree with the assessment that the problem was structural, rather it was political. De-stalinization was the culprit that laid the foundation for undermining the Soviet System and the only reason why China still stands is mainly by rectifying this error (70% good 30% bad). If the Soviets went the same road I am absolutely certain they would still stand. I think people underestimate just how bad of a policy that was, considering it basically lead to a "non-official" split in the party

>>2472537
>tankies
Lol

>>2472541
Stand as what? Like yeah, you could have Soviet Union keeping a red falg and territory, but with economic system of contemporary Russia, but to establish socialism structural issues have to be adresses.

They could have dropped the nukes and killed off those bourgeois amerikkkans already
>m-m-muh peaceful coexistence!!1
Fuck off cowards

>>2472622
Then the americans drop theirs and everyone dies ?

>>2472534
China has the same thing, it doesn't work. Because you need media monopoly. The US has media monopoly and it delegitimizes its enemies. No matter what you do, you will be evil. Insert Parenti quote. The only way for the USSR to win was to organize a civil war in the US or to nuke it outright. Also mossad-style hunting squads going after enemies of communism + capitalist enablers.

>>2472447
>So they can be used by US to spread chaos and overthrow your government.
Factually incorrect. North Korea has two legal non-Communist parties (the peasant party and the social-democratic party if I'm not mistaken) since the fucking Korean war, and it is obvously less subverted by the US even now than the USSR was under Andropov. Having other parties actually safeguards the Communist party from the rot, since most of the people who aren't really loyal to the cause, but just want attention and power would go to these instead. Maybe Gorbachev wouldn't ever became a Communist in the first place if USSR had a Peasant-Democratic party or something.

>uses "woke" and "transhumanist" as insults

Nevermind, you're a Nazbol. Or a fed. Or both.

>>2473547
I think transgenderism as a concept is far-fetched

>>2473550
I think gender as a concept is far-fetched

>>2473553
Wdym as a gender?

They really needed a switch to soft industries I think. Also maybe allow for more experimentation within different Warsaw pact countries.

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>>2473558
You heard me, Jack.

>>2472541
I am well aware than this is very much the case of "the grass is greener on the other side", but I think I'd still have preferred "Dengoid" USSR over USA as a global hegemon. Simply because Russians, at least, do not have such an unhealthy relatonship with the concept of "race" as Americans do. Neither they have "democracy" as a moralistic virtue rather than a useful social tool.

>>2473550
*Whispers*Honestly the "trangenderism" we have now is kind of a spook, but that's still is not an excuse to insult people by trying to assert they're trans.

>>2473584
You're not the straight-up moralist 4th int anon, are you?

the USSR wouldn't have used the settler colonialism argument as its main argument against the US because Russians did the same thing to 90% of the area of modern Russia a few centuries earlier. Same with China, Arabs, India, ect.

This is no different to the "just take leningrad" groyper fanfics.

>>2473673
>t. doesn't understand Russian settlement nor Jacksonian settlement
<and china
LOL. The only people settled by the Chinese state were the Uyghurs into Dzungaria.


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