why are countries like pretty much all of latin america exempt from the "settler colonial" label when they went through the exact same shit as the united states and canada lol. they fit the category quite literally yet everything those bourgeois nation states do is supported uncritically by the same third worldists calling even even the poorest shithole in europe "settler colonial"
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>Not the grievance narratives being expressed in this very thread even in the face of contradictory facts. Just my "imagination", silly me. "Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere"? It's just your "imagination" brother, no such thing as reactionaries co-opting communist rhetoricYou are such a baby lmaooo, you're like pouting about it lolol. Yes dude, you are imagining shit to be upset about, I'm sorry to tell you. You are a big baby and a drama queen comparing Dugin's "philosophy" that nobody cares about to the imperial project of fascist japan like idk how you are not embarrassed by this
>>2477641>>2477660Is it the legacy of fucking GONZALO that springs to mind when you think of Dependency Theory? Asinine perspective, man, it's a different beast. The man was influenced by Mariátegui, a thinker from a distinct tradition. In fact, we have a long-standing controversy here between the exponents of Dependency Theory and the Maoists regarding the stage of economic development our societies currently find themselves in (semifeudal or not, and so on). It's like hearing about some Palestinian intellectual circle wondering
>well, what about Daesh huh?If you fancy yourself some kind of Marxist, then you should try to understand all the baby-boiling and puppy-hanging mainly by analyzing the contradictions in the class relations of those involved and the historical development of the region, not by digging into theorists from completely different countries in search of "subliminal messages."
>>2477663It begins with peasants (who are actually agrarian petty-bourgeoisie if you paid attention). It shifts to "oppressed" nations. It ends at "oppressed" nation-states. Another anon quite correctly noticed the "national" porky connection.
Yeah, yeah, "fascism". Dugin's a "fascist". If that makes you happy. Not the term I'd use, but sure (I actually take a leftcom-esque position on "fascism", which is that imperialism is already a "fascism", we never stopped living in "fascism").
>>2477664You showed up at just the right time. Are you part of my "imagination"?
>>2477669I didn't say Gonzalo was influenced by dependency theory, rather I'm asking, what happened? Gonzalo is not a "freak accident", there's clearly some pattern between the various Maoist-TWist groupings. How'd that pattern happen?
>>2477664Honestly, yeah.
It may say something else in the good book or whatever. But empiria (reality and its observation) reigns supreme.
Do you even know the normative power of facts?
Bet ya don't, anglos.
>>2477675>It begins with peasants (who are actually agrarian petty-bourgeoisie if you paid attention). It shifts to "oppressed" nations. It ends at "oppressed" nation-states.Completely baseless assertions, you are just connecting them because it fits nicely into your imagined philosophical development. Dugin is not actually inspired or informed by MTWism, as far as I'm aware he's never even talked about it. You're just connecting them to fit this narrative you're trying to produce, without actually substantiating it with anything other than vague surface level similarities lol
>Yeah, yeah, "fascism". Dugin's a "fascist". If that makes you happy. Not the term I'd use, but sure (I actually take a leftcom-esque position on "fascism", which is that imperialism is already a "fascism", we never stopped living in "fascism").Lmao you're now saying that Dugin's cringey crackpot philosophy is actually comparable to Japan's actual fascist imperial project, because according to you everything is fascism anyway. Do you see how your presumptions cloud any actual analysis of what is happening in the world? The comparison now extends to Japan's imperialism, maoism, followers of Dugin, etc. all these things are not really related to each other in the real world, but in your mind they're basically all part of the same thing/philosophy/phenomenon whatever
God you are retarded man, it's frustrating talking to you
>>2477680You stated Third Worldism begins with dependency theory, a pretty uncontroversial theory if you're not Paul Cockshott as far as I can tell? I ask, how did it end up with "oppressed" nations, condemning workers of the "core" as "labor aristocrats", breaking with international solidarity, etc.?
>>2477685You don't even understand the relation between base-superstructure and that capitalism reproduces ideology regardless of geographic, temporal, communicative, etc. barriers. You're here lecturing me and you're talking like communist theory wouldn't exist if the individual named Karl Marx wasn't born. Shut the fuck up.
>>2477702I did not state that the ideology of Imperial Japan is the same as Dugin's. Else I'd be calling it Hirohitoism or something, and wouldn't link it with Third Worldism at all. I simply pointed out that vulgar anti-imperialism coming from reactionaries is about as old as Imperial Japan.
>unimportantI don't know why you keep tunnel visioning on "importance". Left-communist currents for example aren't very "important" yet we discuss them on leftypol all the same.
>>2477694>You stated Third Worldism begins with dependency theory No, I didn't. If I had, it would have been a falsehood. I mentioned Dependency Theory before, along with figures who are equally Third Worldists but not necessarily adherents of it. Here in my country the term "Third Worldist" is used by academia and the media to designate a wide range of different movements, of which Maoism is just one among several others that have been way more influential here.
>"oppressed" nations>labor aristocratsYour choice of terms indicates much more of a problem (you) have with Maoism-TW (and Maoism itself apparently) and the Three Worlds Theory than with Third Worldism in general. Again, if you want to understand what happened in Peru, I've already pointed the way. Alternatively, you can go to /latam/ and if luck strikes, maybe a Peruvian will give you some perspective.
>>2477709When we discuss leftcomism we don't pretend it's more important than it is, if anything it's irrelevance is one of the main things that is brought up. You are the one trying to make Duganism a movement akin to or in line with maoism or even mtwism, as niche of a tendency as those tendencies are already, at least to some extent they are actual movements with a real history.
> vulgar anti-imperialism coming from reactionaries is about as old as Imperial Japan.Fair enough
>>2477742Now you are confusing Mao Zedong Thought with Maoism and Third Worldism. Oh lord. Where to even begin untangling this mess.
Maoism encompasses the writings of Chairman Mao before the Sino-Soviet split + contributing successors after the split.
Maoism-TWism is the synthesis of Maoism and Third Worldism, the Third Worldism part doesn't actually come from Mao.
Mao Zedong Thought encompasses the writings of Mao post Sino-Soviet split. Last I checked it is fringe outside China itself. Probably because it's Mao pulling a Trotsky and Gramsci, and we already have Trotsky and Gramsci at home.
Anyway, treating the "labor aristocracy" as a separate class is indeed Maoism. Condemning the workers of the "core" of all being "labor aristocrats" is not, that's TWism.
The "oppressed" nation in Maoism refers to the "people's war" revolutionary tactics, where all the "poorer" stratums of both peasants and workers unite. NOT "oppressed" nation as a sole revolutionary subject, that is TWism.
I am not surprised that Third Worldism has a different connotation in your country, I am assuming you are Latin American, they still study Marxism in a lot of LatAm economics departments, right?
I also don't get why are you focused on the Shining Path when I'm asking about TWism in general. I don't want to get lost in the weeds here. I mentioned Pol Pot, can you guess the relevance of Khmer Cambodia under him? It starts with the letter V. And it's not a coincidence.
>>2480009it wasn't a "joke".
>>2480042The sub got banned in 2020. That was 5 years ago.
>>2477515>This would literally exclude the USA from being defined as suchthe us is not a settler colonial state
>there are MULTIPLE PRESENT instances of violence in Latin America directed at indigenous people. Logging, mining, cocaine production, land rights. Ecuador, Chile, Brazil, Colombia, Guatemala. Not too long ago, also, Bolivia, Peru, Mexico.yeah but is not settler colonial violence
>>2476897Spanish policies were exterminating the males and raping the females
In aome places like the canaries and caribbean they commited extermination of all tho
>>2476856All of the south cone, all of Brazil, all of caribbeans, colombia and venezuela and northern mexico had their indigenous mostly wiped out
The only places left are south-central mexico, central america and the andes and only because there were far too many natives in those places
>>2483441Buy a fucking mirror
>>2472755Because usually when "settler colonialism" is brought up as a general abstract concept, it's done so by idiots whose horizons stop at the US border
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