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In order to organize the masses, we need to spread across the country in an unpredictable and semi-aleatory manner. Not through a vanguard party, but through community councils.

As such, we need to create *vectors*. Groups of people (mainly young, like highschool or university students) will be educated and trained on capitalism and anarcho-communism. These *vectors* **must be ideologically* motivated. That is, they must have conviction in their beliefs and actions. Otherwise, they will quickly dropout.

These leaders will then organize their communities and repeat the cycle. As a result, the masses will quickly and independently organize. Obviously, communication among all these councils must be established for organized action and planning.

Advantages: decentralized, fast, federations, no great leader needed, hard to block by the State.

Obstacles to overcome: to properly train the *vectors* (ideology, discipline, etc.) and avoid infiltration.

This can't be halfassed. This is possible, we just need balls, tenacity, perseverance, discipline, and courage. No excuse. In today's horrible world, only ideology can push people forward.

The role of the anarchists today is to kindle the heart of the masses and offer guidance. So that the we can build an army of men willing to give their life for anarchy, akin to the Makhnovshchina.

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This seems like Marxist-Leninist vanguard theory but with extra steps and overly de-centralized, along with the opportunity to just lead to most "vectors" flatly failing

>>2476737
How is it ML if the state is not seized and no central authority?

Vectors won’t fail if ideologically motivated

I hate it when anarchists do this thing where they promote something ML and pretend otherwise.

As the people I have actual access to (to speak to, to throw rocks at) become more screwed over, they become more subversive & more cooperative in that subversion. Without ideological motivation the proletariat will organize itself (large scale), as a side effect of the proletariat organizing itself (small scale). This will happen on its own, is already happening on its own, and isn't retarded.

>>2477646
Retarded plans are retarded because "why aren't you already doing that?"

>>2477207
Anarchists always come back around to building a State but claiming it isn't due to decentralisation. Unless you want to go back to subsistence farming (and starve 90% of the population) then an advanced economic organising framework is required. Armed men are then required to defend that framework from its class enemies.

That is what a State is.

>>2477667
>a state is any form of organization beyond subsistence farming

Yeah it's pretty easy to claim anarchists "build a state" when you define "state" so loosely that it can mean anything

>>2477667
by even having police or military, you have created an antagonistic class structure (i.e. a state)

>>2477667
>if i define 'state' like a retard and argue like a retard i get to, by my own estimation, win.
Okay? But what is the point in that, exactly?

>here's my long list of what anarchists must believe and practice
isnt anarchy simply the absence of rules?

>>2477667
I'm not convinced by ML gotcha arguments on the necessity of the state. The problem with anarchists is they look at the state in terms of leadership (is it a monarchy, dictatorship, parliamentary democracy) instead of looking at the kinds of power the state wields. They always want to show that a federation can be an alternative to any of the above, but their federation winds up having the same powers as a state (monopoly on violence, rational bureaucracy, powers of social engineering, control of information). Lots of anarchists wet their pants over Rojava, but the system in Rojava is basically crypto-Marxist-Leninist and these democratic bodies have all the repressive powers of a state.

>>2477679
>but the system in Rojava is basically crypto-Marxist-Leninist and these democratic bodies have all the repressive powers of a state.
That's retarded, you are retarded. What on earth literature have you been engaging in to get here?

>>2477684
There have been a few studies on this and there's Andrea Giloti's reporting. Despite the supposedly democratic bodies, the PKK network maintains control and rates of participation are low. This is more or less how ML parties maintain power. They set up democratic institutions but use a vanguard party to keep those bodies under their effective control. Giloti claims that locals more or less avoided these democratic bodies or didn't care about them. They've also built a Stalinist cult of personality. The Social Charter enshrines a sectarian system similar to Lebanon and Iraq where positions are reserved for ethnic groups. This inevitably creates conflict and let's the state police ethnic distinctions by defining them and determining their roles, divide and rule. The claim that this is somehow challenging the nation-state model is absurd. The introduction of civil marriage effectively allows the state to police sexual and marital norms, entering into citizens bedrooms and governing kinship structures. It also more or less allows the state to encroach on religious norms, despite claiming to be secular. Like it or not, this type of power is the disciplinary power of a state. Strip away all that libertarian municipalist gloss and you find a state.

None of this should be a surprise. Ocelan was a hardcore Marxist-Leninist and a good chunk of his Ocelanist writings are ripped straight from Marxist-Leinist and ethnonationalist sources. He's even ripped off jihadis like al-Suri. Rojava is a revolutionary disneyland.


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