/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2475850
If you wanna make an omelette, You're gonna have to crack a few eggs, Jack. Revolutions aren't made wearing white gloves.

"are words as actively bad as actual actions" yes please die

>>2475854
Violence always leads to more violence. If we accept that as the default mode of political expression, is there any difference between ideologies if violence has to be normalized for it to even exist?

Violence is good actually

If everypony were violent, world would be better place

>>2475863
>>2475863
>is there any difference
Yeah? What are you a fucking christian or something? pacifism isn't left-wing…

Maybe Georges Sorel has the answers

>>2475850
>morals and philosophizing
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anyway antifa and sloganeering are retarded either way so

>>2475866
>pacifism isn't left-wing…
leftwing is an almost meaningless umbrella term

>>2475863
bro this shit is not even coherent. how does non-violence individuates leftist ideology? maybe you are lost? here, follow this link:
https://www.reddit.com/r/50501/

There’s a difference between meaningless violence and revolutionary revenge, a man that enacts capital punishment of a serial killer is not the same as being the serial killer

>>2475876
>revolutionary revenge
just saying words lol

>>2475871
>leftwing is an almost meaningless umbrella term
Well, we're on a "leftwing" website, you can tell because it's got "left" in its name. So you're just gonna have to assume what that means in this context.

>>2475883
>we're on a "leftwing" website, you can tell because it's got "left" in its name
its just a legacy thing :)

theres nothing that contradicts being a pacifist from being a leftoid anyway, thats the fun thing about ideologies, you can mix and match them to your hearts content unlike with communism

>>2475850
Philosophers have been debating this in circles for ages. My own take is that violence should be only a last resort, as which point it becomes a necessary evil. Glorifying violence, especially for its own sake, makes you a shitty person - but there’s no shame in laughing at an evil person getting got, or in realizing when you have no option. Shit sucks and sometimes there’s nothing you can do.

>>2475850
>violence is inherently reactionary
fuck off back to wherever you came from and read a fucking book once in your life you moron

>>2475866
Violence has its place, especially when already living under violent/forceful conditions of existence.

But when does it stop?

>>2475897
>>2475901
Violence is an intrinsic part of life, it is neither good nor bad, it simply is and will continue to be.

>>2475905
One would hope that in the goal to striving for some kind of Utopia, violence wouldn't be needed as a form of control. It's entirely defeatist to just throw up you hands and accept it as a default part of human nature that can never be squashed.

>>2475897
>Philosophers have been debating this in circles for ages
thats literally all philososhitters ever do

>>2475915
>striving for some kind of Utopia
communism is a practical movement, not about retarded ideals

>>2475915
>>2475915
>the goal to striving for some kind of Utopia
Well, I'm not concerned with that.
>part of human nature
I also never said that, nor did I intend to imply it.

>>2475860
standing here

>>2475905
See, I don’t buy that. Lots of things are “part of life.” That doesn’t mean that lying down and taking it passively makes for a *good* one. Imagine if we said the same about disease

>>2475917
Violence does serve as a practically means towards and end, but again, when does it end.

Even if we hit some form of communism, I don't want to live surrounded by violent individuals that inherently just want power themselves.

>>2475936
>>2475936
>lying down and taking it passively makes for a *good* one
What part of "neither good nor bad" don't you understand? It's an inevitability all the same.

>>2475946
>I don't want to live surrounded by violent individuals that inherently just want power themselves.
Simple solution, stop being an idealist.

>>2475964
Nope, I won't let nihilism and defeatism take hold just because I won't bury my head in the sand of materialism. I don't want to be controlled by violence forces, even if they are "on my side".

>>2475961
Then why are you involved in politics at all?

>>2475976
Because politics is about more than just moralizing violence?
>>2475974
You are quite literally admitting that you are not serious.

>>2475850
>Don't you know? Incivility is worse than villifying minorities and promoting the largest single atrocity of the 21st Century. You need to bend over and kiss the Right's ass. Remember, they can lie to you and about you whenever they want and you're just going to have to take it. When they go low, we go high! Communism = Naziism, Malcolm X = David Duke, Hitler = Stalin, Remember, if you punch a Nazi, that make you no better than them!
Rot in Hell alongside Charlie Kirk you craven apologist piece of shit. Take your "Dead Centrist" schtick and shove it up your ass until it comes out of your mouth.

>>2476164
>muh villifying minorities
I hate liberals so much it's unreal

Is it not violent when the state allows people to starve to death and die of curable illness? this society was always violent.

>>2475982
ah yes the famous Amadeo 'acksually its anti-imperialist to support hitler, supporting the USSR makes you the real fascist' Bordiga

please kill yourself, nazi

Dude, just kill the reactoids LMAO

>>2475850
Yes

>>2475895

communism is an ideology

>>2475921
on the edge

>>2476349
>>2476517
Bordiga would've supported Deng

>Does that make us violent reactionaries just the same?
only if you're a no-historical materialism radlib like everyone in this thread

>>2476192
You're the liberal here

>>2475863
>If we accept that as the default mode of political expression, is there any difference between ideologies if violence has to be normalized for it to even exist?
One of the most retarded takes of all time.
Politics is not just your methods of struggle. It's not even primarily that. If you think that the difference between ideologies is just about how much you do civil debate vs violence, then by the exact same token, if we're all just debating and vooting how are those ideologies any different from each other either????

>>2475850

1. nazis are ideologically committed to enacting genocide and ethnic cleansing and other degradations to quality of life

1a. as people that may be targeted by these acts, we would prefer to prevent these from coming about

2. allowing nazis to have public media platforms to spread their ideology will make genocide and ethnic cleansing more likely

2a. they will use their platforms and public presence to advocate for the goals of their ideology

2b. public presence will normalize their perspective

2c. successful displays of power in public are a major factor in nazi recruitment/growth/morale

2d. allowing them to participate in the political processes will enable them to protect themselves from legal consequences of their actions

3. people that would prefer to prevent genocide and ethnic cleansing must therefore prevent nazis from gaining public presence or access to media platforms or from organizing in any way

3a. the most effective means of preventing nazis from organizing to achieve their goals often require violence, since nazis often have the support of bourgeois governments and their police, and disregard legal and social norms around debate and discourse and violence without official consequences

Good observation. Confirmation bias media is designed to enforce cohesion among ideological adherents. This is the destroyer of critical thinking, a fear that kills the mind, so to speak. I doubt the so-called "left" will fall in line with violence since it is more diverse and atomized compared to the personality disorder driven reactionary right that only sees things in black and white, but the fringes of both fall into the same traps. So hate and violence appear to have become indispensable for controlling these 'sides'. I imagine there's only a small minority of us in this country who avoid partisan engagement since it is all contrary to the Gospel, but my minority perspective is just that; a minority. I don't matter. But the hate that motivates the partisan fringes has become mainstream, and this back and forth will only mean escalation of the hate which precedes violence. If "the left" actually existed as a monolith, the right's plans to frame and entrap them in this cycle of violence might succeed. As it is, the anti-intellectual movement on the right which discourages critical thinking and encourages spiritual sloth will slowly destroy them as the fatigue of defending lies affects their health and shortens their lives. If the "left" collectively fell for the contrived violence, then the misdirection would be a success for them. I'm just trying to make sense of things since I know some in the cult and can't figure out what motivates the unwaivering loyalty to a cause that exploits them as a mere resource and means to an end..

>>2475850
>pacifist socdem
Where do you think you are?

Violent rhetoric often leads to acts of violence, and this lesson used to be learned on the playground or in a street fight depending on where you were raised. The terminally online keyboard warriors, particularly the consumers of Murdoch Inc. and the influencer subsidiaries and disciples must have never learned the basic lesson of kindergarten. The delusional narrative and framing by the right of a violent left, I think, is a combination of projection, presumption and of 'believing their own press'. Of course the instigator's primary concern is keeping their dependents angry and on edge. It's all based on delusion and the left is no threat.

>>2480840
wrong song
right franchise tho

>>2475866
Watch this line of thinking evolve into ‘equal distribution isn’t left wing’ by some backwards thinking, a lot of people here are just anacaps but with a different method

>>2475860
joe Biden was a left accelerationist guys

>>2476331
the only correct and clear-sighted option