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I've been thinking about it and, unless I understand it wrong, it seems to be wrong, no?
The USA, the main imperialist country (according to Leninists) imports more capital than it exports.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/capital-flows
Furthermore, it seems to me that the underdeveloped world is not kept permanently underdeveloped. Somehow, the various national bourgeoisie in countries such as China, India (to a lesser extent) have become competitive with western capital (I suspect due to the sheer mass of labor-power) and are now themselves exporting capital into, say, Europe. This general tendency for the rest of the world to become more developed, with more infrastructure, a more significant national bourgeoisie everywhere seems to me to have falsified Lenin's theory of imperialism, which would mean that underdeveloped countries should remain permanently underdeveloped.
https://wir2022.wid.world/chapter-2/, figure 2.4 shows inequality between countries are decreasing. I think it's because of the development of China and India. Now, obviously, income inequality isn't a good measurement for Marxists, but I'm not sure if there is any data with which we could discover the rate of exploitation.
In the past, political economists understood the interest rate to be a kind of an indirect way to assess the rate of profit, and since profit arises from the exploitation of surplus value, we could look at that for a possible comparison.
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/38194/38194-h/38194-h.htm#BOOK_I
>But the rate of profit does not, like rent and wages, rise with the prosperity, and fall with the declension of the society. On the contrary, it is naturally low in rich, and high in poor countries, and it is always highest in the countries which are going fastest to ruin.
https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/interest-rate
China has a 3% interest rate, the USA 4.5% and Germany 2.15%.
It's possible Adam Smith was critiqued by Marx somewhere and I overlooked it. But I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this.
I think in classical Marxist theory, however, the establishment of one world market is inevitable, with all old structures and the global migration of capital etc. leading to that. And is that not what we've seen with NAFTA, the EU and so on?

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>>2476652
What if the US is collapsing so it seems like it's not imperialist - because the empire is falling?

>>2476656
Yes, but wouldn't that still undermine one of Lenin's theses, that proletarian revolutions in underdeveloped countries would end imperialism (by being the starting point for the global revolution)? Why is it collapsing then?
I suspect that imperialism is a kind of temporary historical phenomenon, a distortion of value as expressed in money due to, on the one hand, many different tariff, tax, etc. systems (which are slowly disappearing) and competition from the national bourgeoisie of other states.
I think somewhere in the UN's report it was also stated that the general worldwide inequality is increasing. I'm guessing that it's because of inequality increasing in western countries, but decreasing only slightly or not changing at all in other countries. I think this would explain at least in part why there has been such a far-right surge, which wants to remove more labor laws and other things (look at Sweden, for example) for a greater rate of exploitation, that is, a return to the iron law of wages.
I wonder if, when neoclassical economists say that the iron law of wages were disproved, did they take into account the third world?

>>2476668
>but wouldn't that still undermine one of Lenin's theses, that proletarian revolutions in underdeveloped countries would end imperialism (by being the starting point for the global revolution)? Why is it collapsing then?
nta but the idea is that revolution can (not that it must) happen where the weakest link in the chain of global imperialism is. America and Europe are the weak link this time around. The collapse of America/Europe's (just like Tsarist Russia) just means a redivision of the world, it doesn't disprove Lenin's thesis that capitalism has nowhere to go past imperialism. The logic of capital puts boundaries on how capital can organize globally. You cannot go past state-capitalist trusts organizing production.

>>2476652
Mike MacNair has a series in Weekly Worker arguing against Lenin's theory of imperialism, while upholding a lot of it's content. Kind of updating it to present realities. It also compares Lenin's to Bukharin's, Kautsky's, Luxembourg's theories. I think it's a nice overview and a necessary read

https://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1387/supplement-imperialism-and-the-state-part-i/
and this is an older version of these ideas before he fleshed it all out:
https://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/980/rethinking-imperialism/

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holy based

>>2476813
Thank you, I'll check him out.
I have a really, really strong hatred for vulgar economics. I hate their liberal ideology. I hate their extremely banal theories and models. I hate the unscientific nature of marginal utility theory. I HATE how they, whenever asked for objective measurements of demand or "subjective values" they will simply respond with the most banal responses of all: "well, how a buyer values that product is what the value is". uygha please. This is an empty tautology.
I hate the smugness of my economics professor as he rants about social democrats with his unfunny jokes. I hate the fact that whenever they talk about "equity", they talk about workers (or rather, employees) trying to cheat employers out of their contracts. I hate them.
Marx's critique of political economy, even if incomplete, is still a million times more scientific than anything that vulgar economists have written in the last one hundred years. And when you critique them for their retarded axioms and baseless assumptions, they call you an idiot, because you've no better model for them to conduct business with (i. e. a system which is best suited towards the personal use of capitalists). This is vulgar economics. FUCK YOU.
I've never encountered a critique of Marx that wasn't some kind of insane misunderstanding by some retarded economist. The transformation problem was literally a complete misunderstanding of volume 2 which boils down to basically the misunderstanding that commodities are plugged back in as inputs. First, there is no actual input and output system in Marx that we see in neoclassical economists. It is rather a highly dynamic social process of production. And also, it's not COMMODITIES that are "plugged into" the production process, but MONEY-CAPITAL.

>>2476837
>some countries are richer than others
WOOOOOOOOOOOOW you dont say?

this retardation is just fucking "support small businesses uwu" but applied to geopolitics

>>2477043
>t. neocolonial surplus value extractor

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yeah i agree and i also think treating imperialism as a distinct stage of capitalism is fundamentally incorrect and does more to obscure than clarify. not a mark against big lenin, he lived, he lives, he will live forever. was wrong about this but could be wrong about far more and would still be immortal


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