Worst place to bring this stuff up (besides /pol/ I guess), but I'm a succdem/demsucc I guess (I'm not really into labels) and first learned about /leftypol/ from seeing an ad for it on Jacobin of all places (which is bizarre given leftypol's disdain for democractic socialists and Jacobin but idk wht that happened, maybe others can tell me). Having skimmed through it, I realized this isn't the right place for someone like me given it's mainly MLs and hardline commies here, and if I'm being honest, I find them to be irrelevant fringe morons that I don't wanna get involved with. What are some better places for a shithead succdem/demsucc disillusioned and frustrated with the state of politics in America and the world post-2020/2024 to bitch online about it and shit on leftists (especially American leftists) for being ineffectual dipshits who couldn't enact change if their lives depended on it? Like, is there a democratic socialist equivalent to leftypol that may be better for someone in my position, if such a thing even exists? I'm probably gonna get told to kill myself, but I may as well ask since I assume a lot of you guys were in a similar position in their political journey as I am, and I'm curious to see what you guys say.
>>2479065r/liberal
r/neoliberal
>>2479065Do it here and tell people to fuck off when they bitch back at you. /Leftypol/ used to have a diverse range of left and leftish ideologies but a succession of stupid decisions reduced it to the retarded monoculture we see today. It's not even fair to call it ML dominated since these nobooks idiots don't even know anything about how to be Stalinists.
Socdem gang was the greatest meme this place ever produced and I'm tired of pretending it wasn't.
>>2479277I mean, I have an ex-leftist friend that became disillusioned with the American left post-2020 who went through the revolutionary communist to post-leftist to right wing/right-libertarian left-to-right schizo rabbit hole (similar to the one people like Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, RFK Jr, Red Scare podcast, etc. went down), so forgive me for being hestitant to get out of that bubble (especially with personal issues I want to sort out that I want to go into detail here). My friend's fine nowadays, and seems to have cooled down and stabilized more politically (he's not really leftist per se, but he is pro-Palestine and very critical of the US establishment and other political establishments around the world), though I try to talk about other stuff and be respectful if we disagree on stuff.
>>2479437I'd say I'm more dem soc than soc dem. I don't believe social democracy alone will end inequality and the pendulum could easily swing back in the future (just look at Europe post-Cold War), and that we need to go farther than that, but I do like social democratic policies like the welfare state are great and should be pursued on a path away from capitalism (or at least the current neoliberal form of capitalism). Also, while they're obviously not the same thing, there was a lot of overlap between democratic socialists and social democrats historically, at least in Europe, with the policies they were pursuing.
>>2479550yes, I legit saw an ad for leftypol on Jacobin's site one time. I have no idea why, it just popped up one time.
>>2479709ruh roh
< I cannot see how you can speak of the ignorance of the masses in Germany after the brilliant evidence of political maturity shown by the workers in their victorious struggle against the Anti-Socialist Law. The patronizing and errant lecturing of our so-called intellectuals seems to me a far greater impediment. We are still in need of technicians, agronomists, engineers, chemists, architects, etc., it is true, but if the worst comes to the worst we can always buy them just as well as the capitalists buy them, and if a severe example is made of a few of the traders among them — for traders there are sure to be — they will find it to their own advantage to deal fairly with us. But apart from the specialists, among whom I also include schoolteachers, we can get along perfectly well without the other “intellectuals.” The present influx of literati and students into the party, for example, may be quite damaging if these gentlemen are not properly kept in check.
< The biggest obstacles are the small peasants and the importunate super-clever intellectuals who always think they know everything so much the better, the less they understand it. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1890/letters/90_08_21.htm >>2479714*meant to say "won't go into detail here", this is why I should proofread these before posting
>>2479689Nice to hear.
>>2479706Soyjak party? Aren't those dudes more reactionary than even 4chan? And that's saying something since for all the stupid right-wing takes, racism towards brown people, and constant hatred of trans people, I've seen at least *some* opinions voiced on the left side of the political spectrum, and I have somewhat of a slight spot for it. Soyjak party just seems downright unpleasant
>>2479749Yeah irl stuff like speaking at their local churches youth group, teaching at sunday school, volunteering at their local christian food bank, spreading the love of christ through agitation and propaganda, and doing street preaching about the evils of sin and vice, while promoting anti-pornography ngo's. the mods are
very busy.
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