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After all the time has passed and more evidence has accumulated can you finally admit that this man was right? How often do whites need to betray class unity in favor of their Western endowed privileges?

>whites
poor whites or rich whites?

>>2482469
Literally both

ignatiev is the superior Whitey Bad thinker

https://www.negationmag.com/articles/philadelphias-race-traitor

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what the fuck even is a white person? it's completely made up. it's nonsense. it's not real. it's fiction. one minute it excludes jews, italians, greeks, slavs, and spanish, the next minute it includes them. it's a fake and gay concept that should be retired. there are no white people. white people do not exist.

>>2482498
Only putting Europe because you are too afraid to put Pakistan as blue

>>2482477
>homeless white people are oppressing black billionaires

>>2482522
Straw man. I said whites have a history of favoring the privileges afforded to them over class unity with proles unlike themselves. Nice try though.

>>2482540
so poor whites *arent* perpetuating oppression?

i havent read settlers but i always get the sense that no one has read settlers in these threads lol

>After all the time has passed and more evidence has accumulated can you finally admit that this man was right?
That's the opposite of what happened. All the accumulated evidence proves that he was wrong because there hasn't been any sign of revolutionary activity in America's internal colonies since he wrote it. Probably explains why he completely abandoned his own methodology to save his thesis in his later work. It was at its core just vulgar materialism that essentially denies the existence of false consciousness and fails to engage with how the vast majority of social revolutions actually unfold.

>>2482541
They are. But you are cherry picking the most inconsequential section of white society to make a fallacious point. White supremacy is a system that is collectively brought about and it‘s not richt white capitalists who killed Emet Till. Additionally, the existence of one of the very few black billionaires doesn’t refute the existence of prevalent racial prejudice that has impacted and continues to impact the vast majority of black society. There were black millionaires even during Jim Crow and they could have still hung from a tree and be labeled a suicide by the police if they walked into the wrong part of the country.

>>2482498
>what the fuck even is a white person?

A genetic mutation which became prevalent in Western European human populations about 6000-12000 years ago due to the temperate climate and also vitamin D deficiency caused by the transition from a hunter-gatherer to agricultural diet during the Neolithic Revolution.

>>2482557
>White supremacy is a system that is collectively brought about
You mean like how Black Americans help bring it about and maintain it by enlisting in the US military at a disproportionate rate?

>>2482562
Red herring alert ding ding ding ding

>>2482557
>they are
right - so to you, homeless white people are oppressing black billionaires.

>>2482522
Bourgeois blacks are white.
Bourgeois eomen are men.

Thr bourgeoisie have no nation, race or gender (other than white male cosmopolite)

>>2482564
How is it a red herring? When poor white people contribute to the existence of the capitalist system it's somehow evidence of their knowing and active collaboration with it because they benefit from it. When Black people do literally the same thing it's what exactly? There is no way that Sakai's methodology (i.e. vulgar materialism) can account for both of these behaviours while still preserving his conclusions.

>>2482567
when does a black person "become" white?

>>2482551
The internal colonies are literally rioting every few years with no vanguard to guide them what are you talking about

>>2482572
White proles have had a massive presence at these riots and have led some of their own like Occupy. None of the supposed vanguards, including the ones with an explicit Black liberation and anti-colonial focus, have gotten any sufficient traction with these populations either.

>>2482574
Occupy was sn internal color revolution

>>2482574
To think that "class consciousness" is possible considering the history of racial relations in this country is chimeric-thinking. The American proletarian is NEVER going to elevate himself as a national class: this is, simply, the TRUTH. It also happens with Hispanic workers who are "American citizens": they see "illegals" with contempt, as simple as that. Look what´s happening in Britain as well. The Anglo is COOKED.

>>2482588
>To think that "class consciousness" is possible considering the history of racial relations in this country is chimeric-thinking.
The Chinese peasantry suffered under the rule of the landlords and aristocracy for 5000 years before they finally had a successful revolution.

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>>2482465
Is rachel dolezal a settler

>>2482569
>How is it a red herring?
Because you are pointing elsewhere that is only seemingly related while it doesn‘t actually prove my statement is wrong.

>When poor white people contribute to the existence of the capitalist system it's somehow evidence of their knowing and active collaboration with it because they benefit from it. When Black people do literally the same thing it's what exactly?
You are changing the subject by making it about capitalism. Far less people are conscious of class struggle and capitalism‘s inherent problems than the superstructural matter of racism. I haven‘t even pinned more blame on whites when it comes to specifically capitalism, but now where you mention it I do have the impression more PoC see through the bullshit that is capitalism. Racism is a topic that has been discussed to death. It‘s barely possible that whites haven‘t in the past 15 years heard every major and various minor aspects of racism, white supremacy and systemic oppression. That‘s not to say they are now experts, but they can‘t fain ignorance. The woeful ignorance, apathy and complacency goes on while I‘d say it‘s only a minority of them who take it seriously. Kudos to them. However, coming up with contrived excuses is just another means of obfuscating the reality of the situation to protect whites. A demographic that is least in need of it -> White privilege again.

>>2482599
Yes, and a race fetishizer.

>>2482594
damn uyghur, that´s your hope?! lmao

Citizens, in general, would rather make pogroms against "illegals" than join hands. White southerners would rather vote for "i´m going end your healthcare" Republic for the 800x time than see a black woman on child support.

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>>2482465
>liberalism but with BROWN nationalism
Nothing to do with socialism.

Humans were a tribal species for hundreds of thousands of years and have always had an instinctive mistrust of anyone outside of their tribe, anyone who doesn't look like them. To evolve beyond this behavior would require a fundamental alteration to human nature, we would have to redefine what humans are and how we think and navigate the world. That sounds like a hell of a lot of work, it would be a lot easier to just continue being racist.

>>2482603
“Racism as a mere superstructure” is not true. It is not even a matter of base and superstructure, but of skeleton, meaning it is not merely derivative. Read Gramsci.

>>2482610
Actually existing socialism had, for the most part, a very strong "national liberation" component. In fact, that was the socialism in the third-world (and even, to a certain degree, in Soviet Union as well)

>>2482599
Does she own land?

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>After all the time has passed and more evidence has accumulated can you finally admit that this man was right?

You mean that FBI agent who's work got pushed as a part of COINTELPRO?

Bacon's Rebellion also disproves Sakai's analysis.

Sakai's rhetoric matches FBI tactics to divide radicals in the 1970s.

Sakai gets pushed by an anarchist landlord in Canada.

Sakai's analysis also comes from the Weather Underground, a left adventurist group cultivated by feds.

Maybe you should let go of this 'author' who gives yearly talks and yet no one has ever seen a photo of them in 4 decades despite the fact that camera phones have existed for 2 of those decades.

Settlers is crypto-fash bullshit and the fed J. Sakai actually agreed with Hitler.

it's really weird how the people arguing that there's no white proletariat are always petty-bourgeoisie (and often white themselves). wonder why?

>>2482574
If by "presence" you mean "wrecking". Doesn't PSL snitch to cops? Whites keep co-opting the movements for the purposes of performative guilt exorcism

>>2482605
And what is the motivation for the votes of black southernors? I'm sure it's revolutionary and not equally as petty as white southernors.

>>2482559
>>2482614
Pseudointellectual drivel

>>2482645
Oh, so when we whites are bystanders we're the problem, and when we're fighting for Black liberation we're also the problem? Fuck out of here! Sakai is a fed, and anyone who disagrees is a wrecker.

>>2482571
when he learns how to swim

isn't sakai white though

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actually now that I think about it where is the proof black people are revolutionary? sure a lot of indepence struggles happened in africa but none led to a system comparable to the soviet union or china and even those who got close quicly fell apart I think closest thing you could find is cuba but even then the revolution was led by people with almost pure european descent and of course when the cubans tried to expand the revolution to the mostly black islands of the caribbean it failed every single time no revolution succeeded in america till the sandinista one wich once again pretty much had no african people in it

really makes you think


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