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Not reporting is bourgeois


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Most bourgeois nations are going for the two state solution, if there is any solution to come then that seems to be the most likely one. Would this contempt with bourgeoisie peace not be problematic though? The Palestinian state to come would still likely be largely a puppet government of Israel as the authority has been for decades, so the movement of Palestinian national liberation ends up getting a de-facto "free Palestine" to calm the unrest and is told to go work on developing Palestine since Israel is no longer its problem, no farther demand terms met.

Will it stop the war? That largely depends on rebel organizations, they can always fabricate another Oct 7-like event to resume activities, but if they want to subjugate (or are made to as a plea deal) it will be unlikely. So what will the "freed Palestine" (under Israel's watchful eye) be worth at that point? I don't recon much, you'll just have to demand a regular - non national liberation communist uprising like elsewhere and at that point it becomes futile to ignore agitation within Israel since Palestine would affectively be a puppet extension of it.

The sentiment so far has been that of anti-colonialism in large the demand for the total destruction of Israel and its largely nationalist inhabitants rather than humoring the idea of a communist movement within the civil extent of complicity in Israel - once again akin to how broadly self-proclaimed communist movements agitate within the western world.

So what happens to the sentiment of purging the inhabitants ridden with false consciousness? It basically becomes take or leave it. MLM sentiment has always been that the inhabitants of the first world are incapable of carrying a revolution and that it must be imposed by the third world. What of the ML non-Maoist fractions though? If they don't reject the notion of a revolution or the potential of communist movements originating within the first world then it doesn't make much sense to humor the idea of a communist movement within Israel lest they play on the sentimentality of its specific crimes rather than the broader wars and murders of the US, NATO and the allies to claim that Israel specifically is a fascist / national socialist state thus reject the very same pro-Zionist position Stalin partook due to the principles of democratic centralism in spite and say that it must be a territory to belong to a wholly different bourgeoisie nation before revolutionary potential can be harbored, this position though would not make sense since it would imply that Nazi Germany itself could not have turned into the GDR had there not been the western bourgeoisie governments to pave the way - when the red army itself bled for it. Not to mention that singling out Israel as fascist / national socialist or generally unworkable within is a position which only understands fascism / national socialism as a sort of liberal bourgeoisie democracy that simply commits violence - this is at contradiction with the lesser-evil position but it is broadly ignored and the attention is shifted onto the aggressor which of course is the US and NATO rather than the fact that it is often aggression or competition against another bourgeoisie liberal state. Regardless it is not much of an analysis of fascism / national socialism but it isn't incorrect - its just that the same metric can be applied to all of the western nations since they all can openly harbor racist and chauvinist views whilst participating in wars but the ML parties and organizations still participate in agitation within their realms - whilst explicitly rejecting a select few. It is nonsense.

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Picrel, if total ethnic cleansing is not possible, I am assured you will get a Palestinian puppet nation under bourgeoisie peace.

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>>2485733
Then agitating within the western hemisphere of influence is just as nonsense as agitating within Israel.

>>2485730
>Most bourgeois nations are going for the two state solution

The entire world, save for Israel and the United States, have been unanimously in favor of a two-state solution for years.

>>2485738
Is that what you believe? Because from what I can tell, they have made much of an effort with that statement.

>>2485738
Yes, looked for a diagram - didn't find it. It's true though. If an ethnic cleansing or expulsion cannot be completed it is the outcome, inevitably a continuation of the "Palestinian" authority supervised by Israel.

Two-state solution with some kind of open border policy is probably the only feasible solution at this point. How does Israel cease existing when the Palestinian resistance has been almost entirely obliterated? Who overthrows the Israeli government? And how do we know such a thing won’t just dissolve into civil war which the Israelis will ultimately win, given that most of them are ex-military and have the tech Palestinian guerrillas don’t?

>>2485743
More so the question of any communist movement within either Israeli-controlled Palestine (since the PFLP, DFLP and such resistance organizations would have to come down) spills over to if it is worth it at all to run a communist movement within Israel itself - since the newly approved "Palestine" would simply be an extension of Israel.

>>2485735
>Then agitating within the western hemisphere of influence is just as nonsense as agitating within Israel.
you can agitate the existence of Israel anywhere, including within Israel

>>2485746
And yet most would agree that for all its existence the "Communist Party of Israel" only boils down to controlled opposition unwilling to act.

>>2485748
I mean yeah? the KPRF has the same issue

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>>2485748
like of course things are shit in porkoid nations. that's no excuse not to struggle

>>2485755
What genocide is Russia committing right now?

The reality that orgs like B'Tselem have understood for a while now is that what's left of Palestine is *already* part of the state of Israel and that the only actual solution (however unlikely) would be to formally acknowledge this and then extend to Palis the full rights of Jewish citizens and offer some kind of meaningful compromise on the right of return. The insistence on the segregation (i.e. supposed safety of Jews) is what creates their need to destroy and dominate their neighbors. So the 'two state solution" is nothing more than a pretext for further cleansing, it is no different from the Final Solution, only slower.

>>2485757
And yet broader self-identified communists say "A fascist nation can't be communist". Thus rejecting communist activity within the realms of what is ascribed as fascist nations. Why is it often the attributed quote to Israel solely instead of in the whole western sphere of influence? How would a US proxy be less workable within than the US itself?

>>2485730
there is only one solution: palestine. anything else is zionist.

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>>2485760
they're kidnapping children in ookraine right now, which is hecking genocide if you believe the libs. my point is the KPRF also just seems to be subservient. KPRF anon might disagree
>>2485764
I'm not sure what kind of point you're making but yes, you have to try. no matter where you live

>>2485780
>KPRF anon might disagree
Lol I remember that dumbfuck, he liked to flash his membership card around acting like a celebrity "IM A REAL COMMUNIST IN RUSSIA ASK ME ANYTHING"


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