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Here is a scenario:

When Israel attacks and Turkey invokes Art 5 and gets 0 support from NATO, Turkey would leave NATO and join Russia-China-Iran axis. With Israel & US vs. Turkey at war now, Turkey would open the bosphorus to Russian fleets and Russia would position in Mediterranean. Cyprus being stupid, would feel opportunistic to claim all Cyprus, and declare war on Turkey, pulling Greece alongside. Turkey would capture all Greek islands in close proximity within the next 96 hours before any European fleet makes there. Turkey would start a massive land invasion, through Northern Syria straight into Israel. Kurdish groups would all try to fight in defence of Israel, where they would be annihilated. Turkish land invasion reaches to Israel within 2 weeks with massive losses but enough power to control the ground. IDF falls back, Israelis start fleeing the country back to Europe and the US as Turkey gives ultimatum and few days to leave the country. There is nothing anyone can do against such land invasion, definitely not US or any other country would put their troops to die in Israeli lands.

In the meantime, Turkey captures all Cyprus as Israel is now busy defending their own territory and pulls resources back. Turkey makes a deal with UK, in exchance of expanding UK presence in Cyprus. If UK doesn't accept and sides with Israel, Turkey offers the same deal to Russia.

Germany cannot declare war against Turkey, as that would mean complete destruction of Germany within, given 4 million Turkish population. Same for Netherlands and Belgium. I don't believe a second Spain or Italy would lift a finger for Israel and Greece. France would side with Greece and Israel, which would result in massive internal conflict in France as well, with leftists+muslims+Turks within France oppose the pro-Israeli war position.

During that time (if not already happened, which probably did), Pakistan provides nuclear weapons to Turkey, but Israel nukes southern Turkey first. This would result with Turkish troops to completely destroy Israel with or without nukes, adopting a Cartago Delenda Est doctrine against Israel, while losing over a million people.

Result:
- 2 million dead Turkish
- Completely destroyed Israel, it doesn't exist anymore
- Turkey captures Cyprus fully
- Turkey captures Dodecenese islands in close proximity
- France loses 50K people, chaos in country
- EU dissolves
- NATO ceases to exist and exposed as a farce
- Russia is now in Mediterranean and stronger than ever

I don't see a winner in this scenario, except Russia.

>>2487346
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>When Israel attacks and Turkey invokes Art 5 and gets 0 support from NATO, Turkey would leave NATO and join Russia-China-Iran axis. With Israel & US vs. Turkey at war now, Turkey would open the bosphorus to Russian fleets and Russia would position in Mediterranean. Cyprus being stupid, would feel opportunistic to claim all Cyprus, and declare war on Turkey, pulling Greece alongside. Turkey would capture all Greek islands in close proximity within the next 96 hours before any European fleet makes there. Turkey would start a massive land invasion, through Northern Syria straight into Israel. Kurdish groups would all try to fight in defence of Israel, where they would be annihilated. Turkish land invasion reaches to Israel within 2 weeks with massive losses but enough power to control the ground. IDF falls back, Israelis start fleeing the country back to Europe and the US as Turkey gives ultimatum and few days to leave the country. There is nothing anyone can do against such land invasion, definitely not US or any other country would put their troops to die in Israeli lands.

What kind of schizoid rambling is this. Why the fuck would you think the rump state of cyprus would be willing to or able to take the rest of cyprus, when Turkey would more likely use it as a staging ground? Furthermore, Cyprus is right now fighting off a bunch of zionists who are trying to purchase all the land, why would they join israels side. And why the fuck would greece go to war with turkey over cypriot retardation? The current government of greece is not some hypernationalist fascistic retard that is looking for an excuse to go to war with its much much more powerfull neighbour.

The situation of Turkey feeling bolt enough to choose to attack Israel and Israel being retarded enough to piss off Turkey (which wont happen because Turkey benefits far too much from israel destabalizing syria and the wider region), that is complex and fucky enough without you pulling your latest HOI4 campaign out of your ass.

It's hard to see the US siding against Turkey while it has the second largest army in nato and is housing American nuclear weapons.

A land invasion against Israel is basically the end of Israel. If there was even the possibility of Israel being invaded and occupied by the Turks, they'd definitely let the nukes start flying, if not at Turkey directly then at least at Syria to make a land invasion untenable.

Imo it would primarily be an air war akin to what we just saw with Iran, which puts Israel in a similarly hard spot for the same reasons. Turkey is a lot bigger than Israel both in size and population and that strategic depth gives Turkey a massive advantage in a conventional conflict. I think it would be incredible for Turkey to have witnessed the war and not taken some lessons from it, especially in regards to AD and drone defense.

Even if the US did go to bat for Israel, I can't see Turkey jumping into the arms of brics for a number of reasons. Even if Erdogan wanted to I doubt he'd be welcomed with open arms unless he was carrying proof positive that this was a full and total commitment of breaking with nato/eu and abandoning its goals for regional hegemony, which I don't think nato would tolerate or Erdogan be capable of doing.

In the end I just don't see war between Israel and Turkey happening as long as the US has an interest in the region. The defeat of either one would only work against its interests and would only serve to derail other projects, like flipping the southern Caucasus and destroying Iran. If it did come down to Israel attacking Turkey, I think the more likely outcome is the US staying aloof or supporting Ankara because in the long run Turkey is an essential regional counterweight to Iran and Russia while Israel isn't. Though that's a rational interpretation and Washington isn't married to rationality.

>>2487674
Nah, that's zogoid poltard stuff.

>>2487686
I don't think it's realistic to believe that Israel would ever let it get to that point. Israel has no strategic depth to speak of, so what you're describing is them trying to close the barn doors after the cows have already got out. If Israel believed it was in actual danger of being invaded and occupied by the Turkish military, the only step that doesn't result in MAD is nuking Syria and making invasion of either party essentially impossible.

>>2487691
Yeah, okay politics understander.

>Turkey would leave NATO and join Russia-China-Iran axis
Lmao the illiteracy of ML retards. NATO didn’t active article 5 when Greece and Turkey came to blows or when Turkey invaded Cyprus. And a Russia-China-Iran axis doesn’t exist (yet). Iran and China have warm relations but Russia and China have historically been very hostile. Iran has a sometimes difficult relationship with Russia, even if they align on some common interests like Syria or sell weapons to each other. None of these countries have a military treaty the way NATO countries do. They are not an axis. Turkey has bipolar relations with Iran, despite a shared antipathy towards Kurdo fascists. Turkey has a working relationship with Russia, but sees that country as a potential threat to its interests. It would gain nothing by moving into Russia’s orbit and Iran is an appealing ally for literally nobody except a handful of militias. Nobody likes that country apart from a handful of East Asian countries that secretly buy its oil. A worthless nation to ally with for Turkey. China needs Iranian oil, but they aren’t gonna sign a mutual defense treaty with a nation that’s military power is limited, is involved in a dozen regional conflicts, and basically waging a Cold War with the US. China tried patching up Iran and Saudi Arabia for this reason.

>>2487992
wtf do ml have to do with that retard schizo rambling. How can someone be such a dumb sectarist wrecker

>>2488003
Because they're just a wrecker trying to cause problems instead of argue in good faith.

>>2487346
>Turkey would open the bosphorus to Russian fleets and Russia would position in Mediterranean.
>russian fleets
uhhhhh

HoI4 has been a disaster for the young minds.

I'm friends with a Zionist. On his IG, he posts war scenarios like this whereby Israel "liberates" the Kurds, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Armenians, and Greeks from Turkey. I'm not kidding. He also thinks Syria needs to be split into five different states: one for the Kurds, one for the Druze in the south, one for the Christians in the west along the Mediterranean, one secular Arab state and one theocratic Sunni Arab state. I'm not kidding. Zionists are LARPing as "indigenous liberators" now.

>>2487346
<Thoughts on this scenario where Israel attacks Turkey?
Why would Israel attack a significant regional ally when it has to worry about Iran?

>>2488137
Okay poltard

>>2487346
cool scenario, but please don't tell me that you came up with it based on an indian clickbait video

>>2487992
It's up to the country being attacked to invoke article 5, not NATO as a whole.

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>>2488137
Another "US imperialism is Israel's fault" retard

No way Israel attacks one of his closest allies.

>>2488394
Israel's imperialism is the US's fault

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>>2488171
>He also thinks Syria needs to be split into five different states: one for the Kurds, one for the Druze in the south, one for the Christians in the west along the Mediterranean, one secular Arab state and one theocratic Sunni Arab state.
first as tragedy bla bla

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OP your entire scenario is precisely why it won't happen

>>2488412
Israel is a tiny shitty country that arabs were unable to defeat despite numerous surprise attack wars that is an extension of American imperialism in this oil rich region. Nazi low I Q retards have this israel controls everything conspiracy completely upside down. Israel is basically just an unsinkable missile platform / testing ground for DARPA.

>>2488558
>Failing for zionist propaganda
There were not a single "surprise attack" except the one the jews did to Egypt in the 60s
That they cry in pain as they strike you is another story

>>2487664
>Cyprus is right now fighting off a bunch of zionists who are trying to purchase all the land
what

>>2488558
Leftist analysis is useless when it comes to this topic because the truth is politically incorrect and you're just not prepared to go there. Instead you just resort to boiler plate capitalist materialism and pretend the parties involved have no other motivations.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>>2488592
Zionists are buying huge parts of Cyprus. Some Cypriots are agree about it especially because zionists act as zionists. Happens also in Greece

>>2488700
That's a larger issue Cyprus has though, it's not going to stop until they end citizenship by investment.
Between policy like this, brits, turks, russian boojies and israelis i think it's probably a lost cause. Dire place all around.

>>2488693
Go back to pol zogtard

>>2488715
You're losing

>>2488693
retard nazi faggot, 'jews' are not fucking magical uber-imperialists, they are used as imperial shock troops by america to control the middle east region more effectively to thwart china's attempts to make inroads and economic progress there. the problem with israel isn't the judaism, it is the nationalist race supremacist colonialist structure of the government. if its not fucking material conditions what the fuck is it, God? fucking kill yourself you retarded nazi faggot

>>2488717
nah lol

>>2488726
The USA is well known for fucking over allies the moment their usefulness passes, which suggests?

pls god let this actually happen it would be so fucking funny

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