I think there are 2 opposing points on non id-pol when discussing the current problems in the relationships between men and women and the dating crisis
>1) this is not important or caused by alienation and capitalism, end capitalism and these problems end with it
>2) this is as important as economics and we need a cultural revolution to then fix the economic issues
which is right? maybe the 2 of them? or is it just men/women that need to step up?
I personally think a society of sex havers is healthier and more desirable than a society of non sex havers, and also think the sexlessness can also be attributed to shittier housing and living with your parents until you are 33.
>>2493346why would you support communism and a better world if not for the people to live happier more fullfilling lives? sex is a big part of live like eating or sleeping under a roof.
>>2493348Maybe you have it backwards. Maybe guys aren't so focused on getting on their own place to fuck girls in because even if they had their own place, they'd still be sexless. Lots of "losers" working "loser" jobs but paying their own way in life, not living with their parents, yet they're still sexless and alone.
>>2493351and what causes that? the men themselves being low value or societal alienation?
>>2493353what is your point exactly? the very notion of 'low value men' is peak societal alienation, especially when it simply means 'doesn't earn a shitload of money'.
>>2493391I think value on men, at least hetero men, is also based on how many women they can get sexually and romantically. Although income plays a big role in this other factors like looks and charisma also help. So in theory you can have a high value who is still broke and poor as long as he gets a lot of sex and romantic affection from women. But in practice usually income and wealth is probably the biggest determinate.
>>2493344Just chemically castrate most hetmoids
>>2493344Despite being roughly 40% of the globe's population, hetero males represent over 90% of:
Rapists
Thieves
Child Abusers
Murderers
Homophobes
Assaulters
Racists
Reactionaries
And every single other scum you can imagine really
Hetero males are the OVERWHELMINGLY majority of right-wingers globally, it is no exageration to claim over 90% of every right-wing/reactionary party in the globe is a hetero male sausage fest
As if the statistics and the fact they're a fascist demographic aren't bad enough, straight male """culture""" and """mannerism"" are vile to stratospherical levels, consider the fact hetmoids are devoid of ANY POSITIVE sentiment and emotion, and completely uncapable of showing empathy, tenderness, kindness and general human decency because apparently doing so is ""gay"" (and "gay" for hetmoids is the ultimate offense, worse than being perceived as a pedophile or child murderer). Hetero males can't have a basic personal hygiene routine because it's "gay", they can't wipe and wash their assholes because it's "gay", they can't wear nor have pink stuff because it's "gay", and the only things true hetmoids can have as hobbies and interests are football, women, ufc fights, cars, beer and pewpew shooting online games, anything that deviates from these is inherent "homosexual" according to their sick minds. They also can't piss also while sitting down either because the only true macho thing is having your woman cleaning up the disgusting mess you do at the toilet
If they only kept these brainworms to themselves I wouldn't give a shit but they'll literally verbally and physically harass and hate and assault ANY man that deviates from their accepted and disgusting cultural norms as early as SCHOOL DAYS. Meaning even at childhood a hetmoid is inherently a violent bigoted subhuman animal.
Hetero males also only see women as slaves and cum dumpsters, trophies to brag about to their "bros", in fact, hetero male ""friendship"" consists of attacking, humiliating and belitting each other all the game (90% of the time calling each other "gay"), and the rare occasions they compliment each other they can ONLY do so to the stuff they have or did (how many women they fucked, the expensive material stuff they have, etc), never THEM directly, on the extremely rare occasion they compliment each others' appearance they can only so indirectly, because it's "gay" to do otherwise, ex: 'bro has rizz', 'bro has swag'. I genuinely believe an average hetero male life is devoid of any positive interactions with ANY human being, including their """friends""".
In short, hetero males are a political abomination because they're fascist, an ethical abomination because they're violent, hateful, bigoted and sadistic, and a cognitive abomination because they're ignorant. The End
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2493907Shitlib political impotency, good luck getting anything done irl buddy
>>2493929No argument, typical from an hetmoid cockroach
The solution is chemically castrating most hetmoids at puberty
>>2493907You must be as smug as a zionist to even say this shit
>>2493982You know it's the objective truth
>>2494024No, you're obviously a gay man. Which doesn't make sense because you do the exact same thing, except you do it to other gay males. In other words, you are a hypocrite.
Bunch of gobbledygook.
>>2493907what are your thoughts on converting some of the straightoids via a 12-step programme called Queer Camp?
>>2494031Gay men aren’t like straight men, the attraction is fundamentally different
>>2494034I had gay male friends, and you people, at least the majority, are self-hating hypocrites who go for straight males. I would know; it happened to me on two different occasions, and you people don't respect boundaries.
The only reason I tolerate you guy's, its because my cousin was a gay man who committed suicide.
We have this thread every fucking week.
Jannies need to add super saging to this site already.
>>2494038It’s almost like living in a homophobic society distorts your personality, also don’t ever look up domestic violence stats in lesbian couples
>>2494043It's been my experience with gay men that's been negative all around. I assumed all gay men were nice because the first two that I've met at work were nice as hell and never tried to hit on me or anything.
To be fair, they were a lot older , and I feel the younger ones are too touchy or straight up engage in some type of sexual assault or inappropriate touching.
Imagine me doing that shit to woman. Straight to Jail.
>>2494034No. You’re an idiot.
t. bisexual
read kollontai and close your shit thread
>>2494053Hetmoids literally sexually assault and try to rape women even at gay clubs and you throwin a tantrum over some self hating cucks who """Hit on you"""? And by "hitting on you" I'm 100% sure they were just being cordial.
But I agree, queer men and women should save kindness and cordiality only to our own, I've adopted a philosophy of treating hetmoids like absolute garbage whenever I have to interact with your kind
Let me explain to the gauy men which is something I apply on my daily life: hetmoids are literally over 90% hateful violent subhumans who want us gone (either dead or forcefully repressed), treating this particular demographic like vermin is the best thing we can apply to our daily lives, is literally praxis. Show kindness and empathy only to women and queers. However these subhumans are violent by their very nature and will always look for excuses to assault you so adopt a passive-aggressive stance against them. Let me give some examples:
Some hetmoid tries to start conversation with you? Go monossilabic with a harsh tone, make them understand how unpleasant and unwelcome their presence is to you until they fuck off, while engaging and being kind with queers and women.
Hetmoid delivery, waiter, cashier? Don't thank it, don't engage with it and NEVER tip
Hetmoid hobo? Ignore it completely and tell it to get a job if it harasses you
ALWAYS look for any excuse to fuck over an hetmoid at school or work, see them doing something wrong? Breaking rules? Don't hesitate for a sec to report them to HR/School staff
In short, be harsh, abrasive and apathetic to these rats, don't engage with them, don't speak to them unless strictly necessary, NEVER compliment them for anything, NEVER help them, but don't make it too obvious, understand they're violent creatures and will look for any excuse to assault and try to murder you. Bonus point if you act the completely opposite with women and queer men near them
Show kindness and solidarity only to our own and Women who are mostly allies regardless of orientation.
>>2494080I've been applying this philosophy on my life since my mid teens and I have absolutely NO regrets, I'm literally uncapable of showing any ounce of sympathy and cordiality and kindness to hetmoids and I programmed my brain to be repulsed and hate them automatically.
>>2494076You sound like a fucking retard. I have no idea what you said.
Also, look for queer gyms in your area, take self defense lessons (my favorites are krav maga and muay thai as these cause the maximum amount of pain).
For the gay guys in particular: WORK OUT EVERYDAY. Be strong, be buff, learn self defense, if you can always carry a weapon (firearms or otherwise). LET US BE NO VICTIMS ANYMORE. An hetmoid cockroach will think thrice before assaulting two buff gay guys holding hands.
Don't engage in self pity, don't beg for their acceptance for they will never do. MAKE THEM FEAR YOU INSTEAD.
>>2494088Low I.Q is something that plagues your demographic, I understand
Daily reminder an hetmoid death is a net positive to humanity
>>2493907Nobody can refute this btw
>>2494095Stop being low I.Q, although I know is hard for your troglodyte subhuman demographic
>>2494032Sexuality is instrisencal from birth
Just castrate hetmoids at puberty who show subhuman behavior and beliefs (most of them)
>>2494107what causes sexual orientation then?
>>2494111The mother's body chemicals that affect brain functions at birth mostly, hormones too I suspect, all at womb
>>2494119I also suspect evolution has a play
Queer men and Women share more with bonobos, Hetero males share more with chimps
>>2494119so sexual orientation is determined at birth then.
Gay misandrist is at it again, what a legend
>>2493929Still 1 trillion % closer to reality and serving of proletarian revolution than the anti-idpol drivel this site was founded on.
>>2493907You sound like an introvert recluse who spends all her time on Crystal Cafe or Reddit seething about men and who have never met a right wing women before in her entire life. They exist and are in fact the majority. I won't deny your claims about men but the truth is the women are equally as shitty. There's no difference between an incel doing a school shooting and a feminist girlboss voting for Hillary so she can do cool feminist things like bombing the shit out of Arab countries.
>>2493344Sex is reactionary and should be abolished after the revolution
>end capitalism and these problems end>>2493636>"American democracy"Capitalism will eventually create the world depicted in Zardoz where fascists will go around slaughtering the uncivilized "brutals" as degenerate liberals beg for death in their hugbox safe zones. Total malfunction of human gender social reproduction, the gun is good! The penis is evil!
>>2494076>I've adopted a philosophy of treating hetmoids like absolute garbage please stop talking about hemorrhoids you weirdo, please
>>2494228Nah he's right, majority of straight men are cancerous violent reactoids, no other group of people are worse
>>2494696uygha it's a 29yo neet autistic gaycel still bitter over his ex. He has no friends, irl or otherwise, and said the only thing keeping him from offing himself is his mother. He also samefags a lot for some reason.
>>2493344>dynamics between sex and the economy >this is not important or caused by alienation and capitalism, end capitalism and these problems end with it>this is as important as economics and we need a cultural revolution to then fix the economic issuesI thought this was going to go a different way, rather than capitalism, to say sex problems are economic problems. "as important as economics" suggests its a separate issue, a "cultural revolution" would suggest its a cultural issue, but then you say the "cultural revolution" would fix the economic issues. but that s an economic revolution?
The Breitbart Doctrine is the idea that "politics is downstream from culture" and that to change politics one must first change culture. The materialist perspective is precisely the opposite, politics
is economics, and culture is downstream from that.
A very simple example of how this is true is how geography is related to culture. A coastal nation that is seafaring might have an economy based on fishing and trade. A nation with vase plains might be based on animal husbandry and farming. This is how the material conditions determines culture.
1) is the correct answer, but it is too simple, more like a slogan than an explanation. Its not capitalism generally, but late stage imperialist capitalism, and the problems wont immediately end, but the problem is the economy. Imperialism is defined by monopoly stagnation under the falling rate of profit. As market competition leads to consolidation of the productive forces into fewer and fewer hands technological advantages are employed and innovation saturates a given industry we come to a situation where the only way to increase the rate of profit it to expand markets extraterritoriality or to reduce wages.
While this is going on you have the secondary factor that as a country becomes industrialized and advanced in technology and urbanization families rely less on having children for survival as the economy is no longer based in subsistence agriculture, and you have medical science and family planning and contraceptives.
But you still have private ownership of the means of production, and there is a contradiction between these technical and scientific improvements and the working class. It is not in the interest of capitalists to reduce the reserve army of labor, but to increase it. Increasing the supply of labor decreases its relative demand and suppresses wages, and as explained above, under conditions of monopoly stagnation this is one of the ways to avoid the necessity of costly wars.
The alternative of course is not imperialist war, but social ownership of the means of production, and elimination of private ownership for profit. It is important and its not caused by alienation or capitalism, but the specific material conditions of capitalism overcoming its usefulness to humanity and approaching the limits of its existence through its own inherent contradictions giving rise to its overcoming.
Of course people or any animal really will not reproduce when it does not have the access to the resources for housing and food. This is not unique to capitalism. But it is the case that under late capitalism the conditions for all people to afford having houses and food can not coexist with private for profit ownership of the means of production by a financial oligarchy of monopolists experiencing a declining rate of profit.
Declining birth rates might be a good thing in the end. The population will level off at around 10 billion or so people and most of the population will be old people, therefore it could force a transition to a socialist welfare state to remain sustainable with a population of mostly old people and a limited supply young able-bodied workers. Our whole society will be devoted to taking care of this enormous population of sick infirm old people and all their health issues.
>>2494705Proof I'm any of these things???? And my takes are irrefutable and proven with facts, statistics and empirical and anecdotal TRUTHS
>>2493907ok but we also make all the cool shit like nukes n shit
>>2493907Hetmoids can be brought to the light if we turn them into autogynephiles with the erotic power of sissy hypno. We should put sissy hypno on billboards all across the country after a communist revolution to turn more hetero males from gynephiles into autogynephiles so they all take estrogen and become hacker trans girls instead of incel mass shooters.
>>2493936Not het just aware that you're a tool
>>2496449I think most incels are just sad boys who stay away from most people. Only a small amount of them will ever go on a shooting spree or whatever.
>>2493907They hated Nona because she told them the truth
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