/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

I agree. Capitalism or whatever system rules over us just needs to give us treats to keep us in line. No need to do any of the dumb shit they're currently doing. But we seem to live in a world where agony and pain are a thing and people in power are very willing to pass those on to us as long as they don't get any of course. Even commoners are willing to pass it on to each other if it means they get screwed over as long as the other guy gets it worse. Maybe when things get really dire things will change.

Revolution will only happen if we make it happen. Its up to you and me to do it. We can't rely on history. So stop repeating this rubbish and get out and organise an insurrection.

>>2498030
Lenin too was very blackpilled. The average peasants thought the tsar was their friend. he was gof the father on earth while the lord was god in heaven.
the situation isnt much better today. people keep holding onto the fantasy that we can go back to socdem politics as long as the right guy gets into power. we wont get anywhere until people realise that is false.

>>2498030
>A revolution can only happen if there are people capable of carrying it out. Do you think people today are capable of doing something like that?
Yes. Well, when you zoom out, the world is actually full of people risking their lives to overthrow governments in countries in some state of freefall or collapse, and there have been repeated waves of this happening in very recent history, but these don't fit leftypol's model of class struggle leading to socialism so many anons here can actually oppose them.

But socialists once supported non-socialist, "bourgeois democratic" uprisings (like the 1905 revolution) in the past, seeing them as part of a stage. This also raises another issue whether a socialist revolution ever does arrive in a pre-packaged way. Like, leftists do a sniff test and the uprising doesn't seem socialist so they sit it out, which becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy since what these uprisings become depends in some measure on who steps in and offers a compelling direction for people to go in, and since socialists don't engage, there's no chance it'll become socialist, which leads to this despair that no socialist revolutions happen.

>>2498030
Why does this matter?
Even if one imagines that any kind of organizing is useless, then you at minimum will be a left-com or whatnot who believes in a spontaneous inevitable revolution due to inherent contradictions.
One can't imagine neoliberalism as end-of-time and still be a communist, that would make no sense. No one expected Chinese peasants to carry out the revolution in their "backwater" state. And the revolution did not happen in one day, it was a flow of history with ups and downs. Gaining support and losing faith. People don't wake up to be radicalized one day, nor does a singular debate session do anything to change an opinion.
Also saying that an average zoomer has never experienced hardship is not true at all, we can maybe compare the struggle of other generations or whatever but even just not being in the imperial core sucks ass.
Fascism rising is not something of surprise but something inherent to capitalism, contradictions rise leading to a need for something beautiful.
Revolutions are not a random spark causing a fire, they are a boiling kettle that gradually heats up until the water converts to steam and starts screaming. If anything, that's life.

THAT'S LIFE !!!!!
THAT'S WHAT ALL THE PEOPLE SAY
YOU'RE RIDING HIGH IN APRIL, SHOT DOWN IN MAY
BUT I KNOW I'M GONNA CHANGE THAT TUNE
WHEN I'M BACK ON TOP, BACK ON TOP IN JUNE

I SAID THAT'S LIFE!!!!!
AND AS FUNNY AS IT MAY SEEM
SOME PEOPLE GET THEIR KICKS
STOMPING ON A DREAM
BUT I DON'T LET IT, LET IT GET ME DOWN
'CAUSE THIS FINE OLD WORLD, IT KEEPS SPINNIN' AROUND

I'VE BEEN A PUPPET, A PAUPER, A PIRATE, A POET
A PAWN AND A KING
I'VE BEEN UP AND DOWN AND OVER AND OUT
AND I KNOW ONE THING
EACH TIME I FIND MYSELF
FLAT ON MY FACE
I PICK MYSELF UP AND GET
BACK IN THE RACE!!!!!!!!!!

>>2498030
After Great French Revolution, and it's immediate successes, there were no successful bourgeois revolutions for a long time. Yet, everyone is bourgeois now (except for AES countries). Communism will act the same, for best or for worst. There was an illusion of communism spreading like wildfire, but just like France, USSR has flip-flopped on it's path; unlike France, USSR didn't have a Napoleon, one thing that USSR has managed to defeat resolutely was napoleonism

>>2498132
That's right anon! OP you listen to this anon. Time to abandon childish pessimism and do what must be done

Fed thread

Kys

While I agree with the general pessimism, you can also argue the capitalist system is well beyond its peak. If we consider the past and the current century, millennials are probably the first generation with less wealth than their parents; before the 2000s, each generation was generally richer and more educated than the previous one. This is creating a downward spiral of adults that are poorer then they were as kids.

Meanwhile the middle class is disappearing and the wealth gap between rich and poor is rapidly reaching 1929 levels.
There's enough wealth and third world slavery for our elites to create a comfortable middle class to surround themselves with, which is what their precursors did for a long time to avoid public guillotines. But their greed is obfuscating the basic wisdom they needed for self preservation. In search of bigger profits, they're making existence more and more miserable for the average citizen; the bread they're selling is more and more overpriced and the circus needs a monthly subscription that more and more people can't afford.
It's a recipe for disaster.

Meanwhile, western left wing politics were injected with the identity virus, something most people don't care for or straight up dislike, while right wingers coopted populism and got more popular than ever by exploiting the flood of third world slaves (something facilitated or straight up conceived by our elites to mitigate a demographic crisis they helped creating, while again maximizing profits).
If it's even possible for the system to reach a breaking point, would the masses really gather around communist ideals of or revolution, rather than succumbing to fascism?

We don't live (yet) in a "period of extraordinary politics" (like the immediate post-soviet collapse, where 70 years of communism could be undone in just a few months). See chapter 7 of The triumph of broken promises if you want to know more about how sharp political u-turns can happen (with the example of shock therapy in Poland at the start of the '90).
What we can do now is keeping the torch lit and organize, as the right moment can happen suddenly and at any time (could be either tomorrow or in 100 years time). Political change is usually a punctuated equilibrium: a dam can appear pristine at one moment and crumble the next.

>>2498483
>Meanwhile, western left wing politics were injected with the identity virus

Yes, western left wing politics was going along just fine for many years and the West was undergoing all kinds of leftist egalitarian reforms, but then the left started caring too much about trivial matters like racism and misogyny and all social progress in the world came to a screeching halt.

>>2498030
Wrong. The Great Worldwide Proletarian Revolution began 1917.

>>2498837

I was being sarcastic, sorry if that wasn't clear enough.

I just turned the area around me within 5 metres anarchist. I just did it again. I'm makhno.