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Not reporting is bourgeois


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I think in any society there's always going to be the outsiders who for one reason or another just can't really fit in with everyone else, they're just not wired like most other people, and what those outsiders do depends largely on how society chooses to deal with them. Humans are social animals, everybody needs a place in the world, people can't just be alone by themselves forever or they'll eventually go crazy and they'll kill themselves or kill somebody else. If society accomodates the pecularities of the outsiders to some reasonable extent and provides them some place in the world where they can be with other freaks like them and not be so alienated and isolated and cut off from society then maybe they can do some pretty interesting productive things with their unique freakish minds, one of them might even become some famous important artist or philosopher or something. But if society just sweeps them under the rug and pretends they don't exist, then it's more likely that they will just end up being drunks or junkies or crazy homeless bums on the street or serial killers or neo-luddite ecoterrorists or schizo acidhead cult leaders. Society does not want to face this very difficult decision of what to do with the outsiders, but there is no way out of it.

>>2501652
>have a 7 word question
>use chatgpt to pretend you have an inner monologue
it's crazy mods allow this garbage on main board. not even going to report, it isn't worth the click
and to answer your question, "we" don't do anything because "we" are in no position to decide that and probably live in different countries. if you mean "what will be done under socialism" then the answer is that the people of that future socialism will have to come up with something, I suspect it will be rather similar to what it's done under capitalism: prison and/or involuntary hospitalization


- Change material conditions
- Give them art supplies

>>2501686
>"we" don't do anything because "we" are in no position to decide that

Ah, so you're saying there is no society and we're all individuals, got it.

>>2501652
>What do we do with the weirdos?
<Charles Manson pic

>>2501813
There is only material conditions, which can be changed to make the weirdos not weirdos anymore, either by alleviating maladies that cause the behaviour to arise or by being in a circumstance where that behavior no longer maladaptive.

>>2501732
Eugenicist nazi retard, neck yourself

>>2501816
"Weirdness" isn't intrinsically maladaptive, and materialism isn't about molding people into a uniform standard you retarded, eugenicist faggot

>>2501686
Yea bro just imprison everyone who doesn't fit in what a brilliant idea, very advanced, very preferable to capitalism

>>2501829
Hence:
>being in a circumstance where that behavior no longer maladaptive.
Like you put an autist like me in a conventional school system and they'll have an awful time and bad grades, you get them a career where they're in their element and they excel.

"Maladaptive" is enviroment dependent.

>>2501652
find a place for them

>>2501815

I chose Charles Mansion because he's a good illustration of how the system we have now seems to work - child of junkie parents from broken home acts out in school and commits progressively worse crimes and is in and out of institutions and jails his entire life and just gets crazier and meaner and more violent and more of a danger to society.

>>2501933
This is largely because these institutions are designed more to humiliate and degrade the already damaged than to redeem them. Despite what the advertising may say.

>>2501934
Oh, and this is without even mentioning the CIA involvement / psy-op / MKultra aspect of Charles Manson as an individual example, which is its own compounding can of worms.

>>2501828
Gulags are re education centers. Weirdos will be normalised through labour.

>>2501813
no. "we" as in me and you. unless you are in charge of law enforcement or have some political position in your country, you have virtually no say in the matter, and neither do I. therefore we are in no position to decide

>>2501831
>advanced
>preferable
doesn't matter. things happen, history moves forward, regardless of your value judgements
the capitalism solution for this problem is pretty straightforward and relatively effective so it is reasonable to assume that it will be continued under socialism


>>2502332

My logical and brilliant summation I posted here will reverberate out into the world and probably fix everything.

>>2502334
Ugly. Really Ugly. There are better britbong babes out there.

>>2502334
I would too. I feel she would some really freaky things and that beats out looks sometimes yet I'm still physically attracted.

>>2501652
The entire population will receive housing, employment, education, healthcare, community, nutritious food, leisure, transportation, and culture with the planning of the socialist economy. Antisocial tendencies will eventually diminish with the most problematic elements of behavior receiving re-education along with punishments against counterrevolutionaries, reactionaries, and liberals who oppose the dictatorship of the proletariat and the political domination of the proletariat.

Let's begin with a quote from Lenin in a political program at the time:

<8) State insurance for workers covering old age and total or partial disablement out of a special fund formed by a special tax on the capitalists.


<8) Full social insurance of workers:


<a) for all forms of wage-labour;


<b) for all forms of disablement, namely, sickness, injury, infirmity, old age, occupational disease, child-birth, widowhood, orphanhood, and also unemployment, etc.


<c) all insurance institutions to be administered entirely by the insured themselves;


<d) the cost of insurance to be borne by the capitalists;


<e) free medical and medicinal aid under the control of self-governing sick benefit societies, the management bodies of which are to be elected by the workers.


<V. I. Lenin, 1917, Materials Relating to the Revision of the Party Programme, Chapter 4. Draft of Revised Programme


https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/reviprog/ch04.htm

Now with a program that Marx participated in:

<B. Economic Section


[…]

<7. Responsibility of society for the old and the disabled;


<Karl Marx and Jules Guesde 1880, The Programme of the Parti Ouvrier


https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/05/parti-ouvrier.htm

When I talk about weirdos and outsiders, I don't necessarily just mean people born with disabilities or mental health issues, but everyone who is out on the fringes of society. Every society, every group of a large number of people has to have a ingroup of people who are together in the center and an outgroup of people who are scattered all around the rim, on the outer fringe. This is just basic geometry, mathematics. You shave away the outer fringe, what remains becomes the new fringe. You shave and shave until you're down to just one person, one atom, one particle, etc. Where does it end?

>>2503528
Antisocial behavior typically stems from the capitalist economic system as a byproduct of the superstructure, which affects the population's culture under bourgeois hegemony. Currently, the financialization of the economy under neoliberalism can be observed, with privatization, deregulation, debt, and the short-termism of capitalism in its current state affecting the masses in their antisocial behavior.

The proletariat must become the new ruling class with the dictatorship of the proletariat to socialize the economy, abolish private property, the anarchy of production, and social classes. With this, all reactionaries, capitalists, landowners, speculators, counterrevolutionaries, liberals, and agents for the maintenance of the bourgeois state can be re-educated, expropriated, and, if necessary, punished for refusing to accept the dictatorship of the proletariat and political domination under the proletariat.

The rest of the masses in a socialist society will not have the ability to project false consciousness without capitalist propaganda and the stress of unmet needs to project a false response of prejudice. Remember that there will still be the problem of imperialists sabotaging, spying, and grooming collaborators who will be combated and punished as long as there is no global socialist hegemony and the imperialist-capitalist threat, along with other unfulfilled conditions, so that the socialist state can wither away.

The state exists for one class to oppress another; everything else is a fantasy due to the irreconcilable contradictions of a class society when private property comes into existence.

Let's take the Communist Manifesto's own program to demonstrate my point instead of clinging to individualistic sentimentality:

<The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organized as the ruling class; and to increase the total of productive forces as quickly as possible.


<Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionizing the mode of production.


<These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.


<Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.


<1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

<2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
<3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
<4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
<5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
<6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
<7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
<8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
<9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equal distribution of the population over the country.
<10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.

<When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organized power of one class for oppressing another. If the proletariat during its contest with the bourgeoisie is compelled, by the force of circumstances, to organize itself as a class, if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling class, and, as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production, then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms and of classes generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a class.


<In place of the old bourgeois society, with its classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an association, in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all.


<Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, Manifesto of the Communist Party (1848)


https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm

>>2501652
every communist in the English speaker world is an "outsider" and probably considered "weird"


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