1-Teleological narrative: Communism offers a worldview with a clear historical purpose, such as the class struggle culminating in a classless society, resembling the eschatological narratives of traditional religions (e.g., the idea of a "paradise" or "salvation"). The idealized "communist future" functions as a transcendent goal.
2-Dogmas and orthodoxy: Communism, especially in its Marxist-Leninist form, presents canonical texts (e.g., Capital or the Communist Manifesto) and a "correct" interpretation of history and society, with little room for dissent. This resembles the orthodoxy of organized religions.
3-Rituals and symbols: Communist movements often adopt rituals, such as celebrations of revolutionary dates, anthems, flags, and cults of personality (e.g., Lenin, Mao, or Che Guevara), which reinforce social cohesion and devotion to the cause, similar to religious practices.
4-Morality and sacrifice: Communism demands loyalty, personal sacrifice, and adherence to a moral code (e.g., proletarian solidarity), often prioritizing the collective over the individual, echoing the ethics of many religions.
5-Faith in transformation: The belief in a radical transformation of society, even in the face of contrary evidence or practical difficulties, can be compared to religious faith, particularly in its resistance to empirical questioning.
>>2502499A non-teleological movement is impossible, non-teleology in practice is dementia.
you also forgot the fact that you can be excommunicated or become an apostate.
don't care whether or not pseuds think communism is a religion. capitalism is unsustainable.
>>2502512capitalism turns into fascism and fascism turns into capitalism
Agreed. Communists don't want to admit they are following a religion. An atheistic religion but nonetheless a religion that implies control over ones thoughts. By itself marxism is not a religion but communists make it into. Ayn randism is also a religion. Bioshock 1 was an example of said religion and it was scary. Atomic heart is also an example of that. Diamond dogs outer heaven from MGS is also a religion. Play MGSV again and you will see how you are running a cult.
>>2502518Fascism isn't an economic system. It's a form of governance.
what wouldn't be civic religion by these criteria?
>>2502536capitalism is also a form of governance
>>2502522>>2502499>You shouldn't organize because that makes you a religion. Fine whatever, you won't be welcomed into the proletarian paradise where class no longer exist and we have star trek replicators in less you repent and make a hundred mudpies.
>>2502599Anything that is not taken seriously, usually where transactionism is dominant. Qanon is also a religion.
>>2502499>5-Faith in transformation: The belief in a radical transformation of society, even in the face of contrary evidence or practical difficulties, can be compared to religious faith, particularly in its resistance to empirical questioning.are you a traditionalist by any chance
>>2502499Are you a transwoman?
>>2502966Yes. The more things change, the more they stay the same. (Not OP tho)
>>2503854
tbh whenever I hear shit like that it just comes off as religious and spiritual mfers that cannot or will not wrap there head around the concept that other people just aren't religious and don't have a pathological need for faith
>>2502504>non-teleology in practice is dementia<"the human hand is designed to hold bananas"<"the Maoist farm is designed to kill sparrows"ok redtard lmao
communism is a *slavic religion
>>2503945You mean chinese
Communism is the syncretic religion formed from Jewish Kabbala, German Pagan Warrior Spirit, Roman Regal Christianity and French Celtic Druidism, all converted into their secular mirror image. It's only England's Spirit that is not included in any way or form which is why Anglos of all forms are antithetical to communism and must be destroyed
>>2503949>belief in woowoo nonsense and idealism devolves into racial essentialismmany such cases
>>2503821least relevant question you could have asked OP
>>2503854
i swear religious studies invented the concept of secular/civic religion just to deliberately conflate idealist dogma with materialist doctrine.
Communism is a failed pseudo-theology but I'm not going to say its a civic religion. There's a tendency to try and expose your opponents by exposing their beliefs as secretly religious and therefore not real politics etc. and this came from conservatives like Vogelin in the 1930s. Secularism is Christianity in denial. Its the name Christianity rebranded itself under while branding non-Christian beliefs as "religions" i.e. private delusions that should play no role in social life. Civic religion gets used the same way, anything that isn't liberal gets branded a religion.
>>2504039It is relevant. I like calling out trccns and spotting them through their posts
>>2504044>Communism is a failed pseudo-theology but I'm not going to say its a civic religionhow generous of you, a person who doesn't know what he's talking about, and whose idiotic opinion does not matter, to "grant" Communists the magnanimous favor of not slandering communism as a civic religion, while simultaneously, and nevertheless, seeing communism as a "failed pseudo-theology."
Would you like communism more if it was a successful real theology? Because last time I checked theology was a tool for manipulating the masses into obeying the ruling class.
>>2502966>are you a traditionalist by any chanceim not, dont even know what i believe, just think communists are disingenuous.
>>2503821>Are you a transwoman?no
I want to write a rebuttal, but it would be hard to do so on a site where like 70% of userbase actually treats communism that way.
>>2504177>nothat doesn't matter. that anon has decided you are. and that anon's opinion matters more to that anon than your denials.
>>2504180>70%vibes based pulling numbers out of your ass.
>>2504180the rebuttal is simple: that some people are gonna do the shit OP described with literally any belief or ideology and while annoying is not the same thing as religion.
>>2504189Yeah, that is pretty much what I was getting at with my comment.
>>2504173even thou its a systematic feature of an ideology who claims to be cientific
>>2504179I am fine with whole human race dying if it means trccns be gone too. I am fine with dying myself. We are all already trccns.
>>2504179I think you are a trccn
>>2504204Then it is based and we should trccnify and transhumanise whole world and cut off cis mens cock and balls and have sex with their wives and gfs and cuck them and impregnate them. If i am a trccn i am a monstrous big cock futa monster who steals mens girls by fucking them.
>>2504211Typical response of a cissy cuck soyshit. You will be cucked by trccns o algo
>>2502499>TeleologicalMisinterpretation of Marxism, though it is a usefull one and I am not going to actively stop it among the masses
>Dogmas and orthodoxySure to some extend. But all ideological frameworks have a canon, and this canon is ever shifting to support cohesion.
>Symbols and ritualsOk and? Isn't it more that religion is ritual with superstition, rather than ritual being religious? Is celebrating your birthday a religious thing?
>Faith in transformationTo accuse the slave of being religious in his belief that he must free himself and his drive that one day his people will be free, is the height of misanthropic intellectualism.
>>2505460Forgot
>Morality and sacrificeThis is actually just a fundamental building block of human society, miss Thatcher. Adherence to behaviour that protects the in group and sacrifice for the in group is basic human behaviour.
Everything you listed as "religious" is actually just things that religion has incorporated.
>>2504201If I deny your accusation, it just feeds you. What does it matter whether I am or not?
Spoiler, I'm not. >>2505471Why are you so bigoted?
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