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>>2502372Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet >>2503548the point of implying something is that you can deny saying it outright
>Americans use Chinese made tech devices and Americans sell seeds to China. Did anyone say that they were supporting each other? No.they are objectively economically supporting one another
>>2503514this anon in 1939
>the USSR is LITERALLY SELLING STUFF to nazi germany to buy time and move their factories east and prepare for a war. that's the same as Ford and IBM providing the machinery to commit the holocaust. that's the same as the UK handing hitler czechoslovakia on a silver platter! The USSR is just as bad as America and the UK when it comes to enabling the nazis!!!anon can't into realpolitik. he wants purity and martyrdom. he wants china to leap heroically on a grenade america threw to save someone who is already bleeding to death.
>>2503551>Netanyahu is lying when he declares his allegiance to the people who give him billions of dollars in military aid, free weapons, as well as selling him more weapons than all other countries combinednever said this
>Netanyahu is lying when he says that the #1 rival of his main patron is also his enemy and is organizing a siege against himyes
>OK American. Let's have it your way. China and America are equally bad and equally responsible for US foreign policy.never said this
>The remaining. 500-something posts MUST concede this very important point to you so we can have a thread. bro you can stop replying anytime
>America bad, but America's enemies are equally bad.never said this
>The main forces contributing to the genocide are the same as the forces who could be doing more to stop the genocide. never said this
>As we all know stabbing someone and watching someone getting stabbed from several hundred feet away are crimes of equal severity.inapplicable analogy
If you're an American and you want to save the Palestinians from being exterminated, here is how to do it: Stop talking about Israel, stop talking about Jews, stop talking about Zionism. Start talking about your America, your own government, your own wealth, your own power that you don't even know that you have. Stop being middle class, stop paying $10k+ in taxes every year, quit your dumb job that you don't even like. Live like a bum, like a criminal, like a piece of shit asswipe and scrape by on whatever you can beg borrow or steal. Take advantage of every social program you can think of. Hang out with the existing bums and junkies and dropouts and talk to them, learn from them, let them share their wisdom with you and teach you how to live without money. Abandon, betray, and destroy the American middle class. Without them, the ruling class have nothing.
>>2503579>>2503569>>2503564>>2503560>>2503555>>2503554>>2503552>>2503551>>2503541>>2503537>>2503533>>2503531>>2503530>>2503526>>2503514>>2503503the chink shilling is out of control
>>2503580>If you're an American and you want to save the Palestinians from being exterminated, here is how to do it: Stop talking about Israel, stop talking about Jews, stop talking about Zionism.Ok Shlomo
>>2503571>>2503575>the chinese does not need to provide the resources it does to the israelis, that's a fact, it has the autonomy to cite the UN genocide convention as an excuse to not sell to them, and it would greatly impact israel, on the other hand you can just instead produce a strawman argument at the ready and not actually deal with realityLiterally nothing would happen if China stopped selling consumer goods other than Europe good replacing them. China has not supplied any infrastructure or weapons since the Gaza conflict started.
>>2503584Glowklanner spergs out two days in a row with racial slurs. I'm sure you actually care about brown Palestinian lives and are using tor because your not a shill. For the record I am SEA tapewormed skinned faggot.
>>2503606>>2503612It's not our fault we're so much more energetic than the rest of the world.
https://www.workersliberty.org/story/2017-07-26/engels-mexican-american-war-week-1-imperialism<Will Bakunin accuse the Americans of a "war of conquest", which, although it deals with a severe blow to his theory based on "justice and humanity", was nevertheless waged wholly and solely in the interest of civilization? Or is it perhaps unfortunate that splendid California has been taken away from the lazy Mexicans, who could not do anything with it? That the energetic Yankees by rapid exploitation of the California gold mines will increase the means of circulation, in a few years will concentrate a dense population and extensive trade at the most suitable places on the coast of the Pacific Ocean, create large cities, open up communications by steamship, construct a railway from New York to San Francisco, for the first time really open the Pacific Ocean to civilization, and for the third time in history give the world trade a new direction?https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1886/02/25.htm>Accordingly the working class movement, in America, has started with truly American vigor, and as on that side of the Atlantic things march with at least double the European speed, we may yet live to see America take the lead in this respect too $200 short on room rent, thanks to one anon and the cash in our shop account.
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>>2503645I mean the bloodshed won't stop just because the government is shut down.
Though maybe ICE would be screwed I guess.
>>2503741A coup for what?
Risking the collapse of imperialism and the end of the treat-supply?
NEVER.
The plunder and rape of the world WILL continue, seethe and cope turd-worldist.
>>2503761>The Bolsheviks seized power with 24000 peopleAnon, the civil war killed over 10 million people
The bolsheviks seized power but without the millions of peasants who were part of the Worker-Peasant Red Army there is not going to be a revolution. It is just going to be a coup!
>Angry young menYes, would it be nice if we have a surplus of angry and educated young men, something you'll have a hard time finding in situations where there are increasingly less young people in general
>>2503771the peasant system doesn't legally exist anywhere in the world, so do you think revolution is impossible everywhere?
> It is just going to be a coup! what's the difference?
>surplus of angry and educated young menI didn't say men for a reason. Women will lead the charge as they always have
>there are increasingly less young people in generalI just said the ratio doesn't matter lol
>>2503777>>2503786Unironically: women aint shit.
They're growing in reactionary bullshit; the gender politics pushed by feminazis that women are inherently progressive has failed to be correct.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2503787t. middle-class gay man
Cockshott redeemed
>>2503800It was though
As they refused to end the war
>>2503822They had one popular demand for which they were put into power: to withdraw from WWI. They didn't do this.
On the surface, the seeming abdication of the Tsar may have made it look like this was some kind of upending of the old order, but the fact that there was no real internal turmoil nor civil war like there was in the October Revolution, save for the turmoil against the Duma itself for its slavish devotion to the status quo proves that it was little more than the puppet of the old regime it had supposedly overthrown.
>>2503848I'm pretty sure the mass turmoil over WWI would have still been there without the February Revolution.
Lionizing of the February Revolution is a bit sus, since liberals love the February Revolution and the nonsense claim that it was the *real* revolution even though it was an obvious puppet government of the very old regime it had supposedly overthrown, which necessitated the October Revolution.
>>2503848?
There would have been no February without WW1. Does that make WW1 based?
>>2503850bruh let's not forget after Feb there was a dual power structure shared between the provisional government and the grassroots soviets. why so quick to dismiss such a pivotal moment for bolshevik success
>>2503855Imperialist war is inevitable so I won't moralize one way or another but the impacts it has like shattering states is good yes
>>25037771. I'm saying that a violent, Leninist style mass revolution will be impossible everywhere
>Whats the difference between a coup and a revolution2. Are you serious? It is one thing to stage a coup, since it is a one and done thing. It is another to wage a civil war, which will happen if a huge faction of people in your country has the means and numbers to oppose you. Civil wars are much,much more brutal than a coup since it is a zero sum game- most people will not have a way to exit the country in case of a defeat, so the brutality ramps up extremely early.
>I just said the ratio doesn't matter lol3.And i just say that you are objectively wrong. Do you just not read anything i wrote? You have literally nothing except a meme to support your point man; we have no ends of "inverted pyramid" population like Japan, Korea, EU, the US. And in case you say that these are treatler first world countries, i can point out to India and Philippines too, two countries with declining birthrates-which, surprise surprise, coincide with the collapse of the Maoists insurgencies there since there are no more peasants to recruit.
>>2503789This is just being dishonest and idpol.
Men were at the front lines and weren't able to participate.
Women were only able to pull it off since old patriachal norms was that it was the husband that punished women and not the state, so the women protested were able to get away with not getitng shot.
The revolution wasn't done in tied to their unique discrimination of being women, but the fact their oppression of being proles despite their unique oppression of being women.
The argument that women are inherently progressive and revolutionary (since of their gender/sex), and ergo we should disregard men in the revolutionary process, is just not true.
This also does nothing but muddy the water in analyzing history since it becomes a game of just acceptable lying to spread idpol/liberal propaganda.
>>2503634They have removed me from my motel room. Told me I can come back before 2pm to pay for the week, still $220 short on that.
Looking at sleeping outside for the first time in a long time.
>>2503743>collapse of imperialism>end of treat-supply>plunder and rapeFelix?
<seethe and cope<turd-worldistmaking a very bad attempt at a false flag post?
>>2503768>Reminder that AIPAC gave Second Thought $18k this yearInteresting… where did you hear this? Not his biggest fan but I have literally never seen him use his platform to say anything positive about Israel or downplay the genocide/apartheid/Israel lobby. If you could furnish evidence he has received AIPAC money that would be very surprising, since they would effectively be funding a person that was way more critical of Israel than Charlie Kirk, who they supposedly killed for "finally waking up."
Are you sure you're not just copypasting something you got from /pol/?
>>2504021They didnt chicken out
It was the workers themselves who were distrustful of the students who they saw as ‘petit bourgeois adventurists’
The students had pseudo intellectual slogans like’it is forbidden to forbid’, ‘death to capitalism’ and all but they had no real strategy. They were just ‘against capitalism and against stalinism’. Even the maoist groups were just little red book larpers. History proved the PCF right, almost all the prominent student leaders of 68 ended up becoming rascals who pushed for neoliberalism. The most disgusting one was probably Cohn Bendit. They had a nasty pro-pedo side too. The workers were completely alien to them.
>>2504025Oh yes sorry, i misread the whole thing
Im retarded, my apologies
>>2504025I think leftists here really underestimate just how powerful us vs them and tribe loyalty is ingrained in many people.
We are all asking about the collapse of worker's solidarity when we saw American workers beating up anti war protesters and supporting America's genocidal war in Vietnam. But this mentality is universal: most Turkish workers will support their state army genociding Kurds in Syria, most Indian workers will support the Indian army killing Muslims in Kashmir, most Uzbek workers will support their army killing Tajiks, etc. This isn't a phenomenon that can be explained by workers being bribed by treats, the simple reality is that international solidarity between workers have collapsed for one reason or another
>>2504041MAGA has always struck me as a coalition of the petty bourgeoisie and lumpen aspiring to be petty bourgeois. When I look around, in my state at least, MAGA people tend to be small business owners, home owners, those kind of people. They have employees. They run boat and car dealerships, food trucks, restaurants, repair shops, gun stores and even whacky shit like "tarot reading" shops and stuff like that. This is where "hippie MAGA" old white women come from. The petty bourgeoisie invested in pseudoscience. As for the lumpen half, these are the ones who don't like working for others and will sell drugs and scalp tickets at sports games and shit like that. They have the hustler grindset. That to me are the people most drawn to MAGA, besides your lolbertarians and evangelical Christians.
>>2504022They did organize in the past though, ranging from the numerous european flotsam that formed the backbone of the IWW to the more recent past like the UFW, SEIU and LA tenant's union
I think getting the stick of the state waved in their face is a bigger deterrent to organizing than the fear of not being able to send remittances home, even if those two things are bound together.
>>2504068refer to
>>2504067 , thank you, have a good day.
>>2504080except Canadians don't seem to want that formalization process to happen. A big part of Canadian national identity I think is getting to not be roped into the collective guilt of whatever the American empire does. If they were finally a formal part of that empire, they would be treated as partially responsible for whatever is done in Washington DC. I don't think they would like that.
Also a big part of bourgeois politics is "respecting the sovereignty" of "the international community." We all know what they mean by that. Canada is not Iraq. There would be a huge outcry if it got its sovereignty disrespected because it's an imperial core country.
>>2504074would you suck that dick?
i sure would
>>2504109cut me some slack dude, I gotta pay the bills and Mossad increased the salary since Oct 7
May he who has never sinned cast the first stone
>>2504119Lao bucks have been in free fall
Once converted into dollars, is it enough to justify the hassle?
>>2504124non sequitur
Only a fool would equate Viet Brahmins with Canadian Dalits
Some hierarchies are good and necessary in this world
>>2504127Bless you
If only more of your kin displayed such revolutionary spirit
>>2504234Why defend the genocidal imperialist democrats to your genocidal imperialist aunt. It doesn't matter at this point. The democrats are closer to her than to you. If she's totally deluded about what their goals are, it's just chud infighting.
trump told these people the iran deal was about "us" giving iran billions of dollars of "our" money "in exchange for nothing" and they believed it. they are illiterate retards. they need to be unplugged from their sleep apnea machines.
>>2504259Here are your choices
1) CECOT
2) Guantanamo Bay
3) CIA black site
4) unmarked grave
>>2504263I forgot
5) Billionaire Sex Crime Island
>>2504287Glory to the
Soviet Sovcit Union
>>2504243My wife and have become the socialists middle men between our chud and lib family members. It’s much easier to get everyone to agree and get along when you play the
>I hate both parties cardEspecially in this political climate, most trump supports at this point don’t even care about or like trump they just want democrats to lose and honestly? I can’t care enough to argue they should be win either. So I agree with you anon, even if that other anon convinced his aunt to vote Mecha Joe brandon with Pete bootyjuice as his VP in 2028, did you actually accomplish anything?
>>2504374cool stop talking to him and find something else to talk about.
Lets talk flotilla! Greta was just arrested, spontaneous protests in italy, greece, and poland I think. Novara is doing crazy good coverage on youtube
>>2504379so the flotilla thing. I think it's just gonna be another PR stunt unless they actually kill people. But even then… if they kill people, so what? What will happen then? It's not like zionists in the west will have a change of heart if they see greta thunberg or chris smalls killed.
>spontaneous protests in italy, greece, and poland I thinkI don't know much about these.
>>2504420>>2504408>>2504411libs seething that Latinos exercise their democratic choice instead of falling for low-level identity-based vote bank psyop
if latinos cannot vote for Trump no matter what, what's the point of a Latino to go vote anyway? Just count their votes as Democrat votes and be done with it
>>2504424
Right but they're going to "copy the China model" in a lazy way that doesn't actually result in the same success, because the American bourgeoisie still want high profit rates, and they have abandoned commodity production for FIRE sector, service economy, gig economy, and Software-As-A-Service for a reason. They're afraid to get back into commodity production because it means lower profit rates, more class struggle, and the potential of creating the conditions for a socialist revolution. So as a class they are going to be very hesitant and half-assed about copying China. Whether or not you think China is socialist, America is not going to "become Dengist" overnight because that would imply giving up currency hegemony, decreasing domestic consumption, increasing exports, lowring real wages, and needing to build more factories and ports… and what if it doesn't work… what if all the countries we alienated through tariffs who are further along in this process don't want to buy from us? What then? If you reindustrialize, but only for domestic consumption, and not for export, you end up screwed in terms of long term trade relations.
>>2504441hey dude if I cannot get a better job, I'd at least appreciate changing the city Im working in now and then
variety of decor and shit
>>2504496>happenings and sizzlingsHow about YOU ignite the keg?
Ben Shapiro or Destiny would be great
>>2504513Damn with that face id be taking Mossad money too
Cuz be no way they’d give me cock
>>2504496things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion.
the death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid.
>>2504474>>2504479My dog bullied one of those fuckers the other night and chased it into the bushes but I had to pull her away because they carry diseases.
Also if you want a saying applied the politics, "the only thing in the center of the road are yellow stripes and dead armadillos."
>>2504363>That speech Hegseth made brought to mind a word I haven't thought about in a long, long time: homofascism. This pic does give a circuit party vibe.
>>2504561This knucklehead wants to run the military like a fucking fraternity .
It is so irresponsible and hilarious at the same time , but it's really sad how low the U.S . has fallen , if not quicker.
>>2504570Who can say?
Imo either this is authorizing something that's already happening or else it's meant to be a force for cultural change within the military. By which I mean it's advertising for the sorts of psychos chomping at the bit to make this happen.
I don't see this helping their recruitment problems though. At best right now the military is seen as "just a job" like any other. I guess making it a den of psychos makes Hegseth's dick hard, but I don't imagine it's gonna endear people to the idea of joining up.
>>2504564No, please… I've been very much into t£$%s women - sorry but the filter is just dumb - lately and I can tell you many of them legit look much better and could pass as natal women most of the times while that hag is a genuine plastic surgery abomination at this point. Also, the fact she's an unhinged, far-right zionist that always gravitated in the political influencer sphere taking money from the worst financial parasites of this planet creates an aura similar to the one around the Chernobyl NPP right after the notorious meltdown around her.
>>2504594Tell whatever you want about the Westboro Baptist Church but their practice of heckling Burger military personnel's funerals was based. On a slightly related note - he wasn't in the military after all - I wish libs would have played a similar role with CK, but libs being libs, that was unrealistic.
>>2504505
The best outcome of all this story is if they gouge each other's eyes out. Btw, I didn't know CO had a past as a "liberal" before she became just another rightwing highly paid unhinged shill. It's basically black sh0eonhead or whatever that fucking bitch is called. Or I should say sh0e is the white Candace, considering CO flipped first.
That said, you know what? Even if the zionazi offed CK, who cares? It's fascist-on-fascist violence and if they start going for each other's throat, good. In the end, even if it's true CK wanted to pivot away from zionism - again, I don't know if that's true or not - he was doing that purely for opportunism. He saw the tide turning in regard to support for ISSrael even in large sectors of the right he could have thought of repositioning. But again, no principles behind that, he would have spewed the old, same, loathsome tripe about everything else to keep making his - millionaire - living.
>>2504615Personally I'm willing to overlook military service depending on their views on it. I don't think it matters how directly you're involved in the operation and maintenance of the empire. Unless you're actively working against it, you're culpable.
But there's a strong selection bias both before you join the usm and after. You're already likely a rightoid before joining up and the whole org is shot through with evangelical christfags. The chances of a leftist going in are really small, much less coming out intact.
>>2504619>>2504621 (me)
and also because of this
>>2504629I am kinda shocked.
zionists aren't rightwing enough to the actual right-wingers. that the ADL was kicked out of the FBI partnership for some basic facts, despite whitewashes zionism like crazy, it baffles me.
>>2504622This is just a minor spat, like when they had to remove/rewrite Azov and Banderites from said catalog to align with the current reality as dictated by NATO.
In a few years, the ADL will be written by actual Nazis doing actual Nazism but wordswapping Jews for Arabs and commies and all will be fine.
>>2504604Candace Owens was an Occupy Wall Street organizer who "left the left" after watching identity politics wreck the movement and distracted things from economics issues.
She likely already had somewhat right-wing social views before that but it threw her into full on culture warrior for a decade.
>>2504603weren't most of them conscripts at times where the military was just throwing people into grinders?
What Lenin was doing was closer to if you were recruiting Ukranian guys getting vanned right now.
>>2504804>>2504806why are you a namefag? do you even do any kind of activism? at least felix, cpussy, and houdini post stuff they do irl.
the beat does go hard tho
https://justinpodur.substack.com/p/the-imperial-capital-has-movedFrom THE ANTI EMPIRE PROJECT
The imperial capital has movedAfter England and America, it’s Israel’s turn to lead the EmpireThe Roman Empire collapsed when the city of Rome fell to the Visigoths in 410 - or did it? By the time of the sack, Rome was no longer the capital of the Western Roman Empire - other cities had played that role for over a hundred years (Milan and then Ravenna). What’s called the Eastern Roman Empire, with its capital in Constantinople, which everyone simply called the Roman Empire, continued for a thousand more years, until it fell to Turkey in 1453.
The British Empire, a going concern since the East India Company was chartered in 1600, also never collapsed. A multi-decade, somewhat friendly, struggle for primacy with the United States over primacy over the globe-spanning financial, productive, and military arrangements of the Empire began in the 20th century. After World War 2, the capital of the Empire moved from London to Washington.
There was plenty of brutal continuity to the transfer. But with the change of capital came a change in philosophy and mode of operation.
The British Empire, whose crown jewel was India, was based on mass famines, a global grain market, manipulation of gold and silver standards, naval power, a balance of power in Europe, strict racial hierarchy taught at the universities that trained the elite, and the use of subject races to fight one another.
When it moved to America, the Empire’s crown jewel was the whole American continent. The post-WW2 version was based on fossil fuels, a dollar standard, air power, the subordination of allies, a military-industrial complex that encompassed science, engineering, and industrial might, coups d’etat, and increasingly, sanctions regimes.
Racial ideology in the US-led version was full of contradictions: co-opting decolonization struggles and the ideological battle with communism required a nominal disavowal of racial hierarchy, even as racism motivated many elite actions and underpinned the system of neocolonial theft of resources from the Global South and from Indigenous lands. No longer colonies, nominally sovereign nations were led by local elites who put their lands and their peoples to work to make the rich countries richer. Those who refused would see their countries bombed, sanctioned, or both, until an overthrow could be effected and a compliant local elite installed.
The smooth functioning of the US Empire occurred through a host of multilateral institutions: the United Nations, headquartered in New York, showed that the world was united under US leadership, with the UN Security Council guaranteeing that wars could be stopped by the will of the world’s powers. The World Bank and International Monetary Fund promised development to those Global South countries that followed America’s rules. The International Criminal Court, the International Court of Justice, and the World Trade Organization promised that international disputes could be resolved without violence.
Elections, in the US and throughout the world, let off tremendous amounts of steam when the masses got angry - no need for revolution when you can vote the bastards out.
The change of imperial capital was announced to the world in 1956 during the Suez Crisis. The story is familiar: Egypt asserted sovereignty over the Suez Canal. Britain, France, and Israel invaded. The United States ordered them to stand down, and they did. The imperial capital had moved. If the British wanted to do something, they would have to ask America first.
In the 21st century, we are living through an analogous, multi-decade, friendly struggle that has moved the imperial capital from Washington to Tel Aviv.
We are living through the Suez Crisis of our time, our own announcement that the capital has moved. At several moments during this genocide, the US announced a ceasefire - including, at one point, not even vetoing a ceasefire resolution at the UN Security Council. Biden announced a ceasefire in May 2024, Witkoff announced one in January 2025. The Israelis ignored the first, rolled back the second. The message for the US: Israel will decide when the war ends, and the US will have to accept it, like the US decided that the Suez Crisis would stop and the British had to accept it.
In the new, Israel-led version of the empire, West Asia is the crown jewel. Like the wars of the East India Company to make India into British India, like the Indian Wars of US land theft and genocide, the Middle East today suffers endless wars for the goal of Greater Israel.
In the Israeli-led version of Empire, racial hierarchy is back with a vengeance: Cecil Rhodes’s most racist pronouncements can’t compete with the daily posts of the average pro-Israel twitter user. The disobedient are punished not with a coup d’etat that brings a pliant leader to power, but with genocide against the whole population. Surrender is irrelevant: the surrendered are genocided along with the defiant. Air power remains the principal hard power tool, while ground operations are basically anti-civilian terror operations on medium (assassinations, raids) or mass (gaza genocide) scale. Media and psychological operations have a growing primacy. Inducing psychological collapse is the main objective, in the hope that physical collapse will follow so that genocide can proceed. All the US-built multilateral institutions have been discredited: International courts, the security council, can issue rulings that are then ignored. The atomic energy agency passes intelligence on to Israel to help their assassination planning. Elections have been shown to make no difference, as genocide proceeds through changes of political party.
Different imperial premises, different kinds of resistance.
The Global South’s peoples fought British colonialism wielding the ideology of national sovereignty and the construction of nation-states to replace the colonies. They fought the American Empire with guerrilla warfare and resistance to military occupation.
The people of West Asia are fighting by not surrendering, enduring the assassinations, sieges, bombings, and psychological operations, defeating the ground forces, and developing missiles to retaliate for attacks made by Israel’s airpower. Those inclined to direct action in the West resort to attacking the fragile and still very important nodes of weapons production. For the Resistance, defense is based on endurance, without trying to match the empire’s specialty of assassination. Attack is based on physical attrition, without trying to match the empire’s specialty in psychological warfare.
Israel specializes in assassination; Iran in missile technology. The missiles can’t stop the assassins from killing and the assassinations can’t stop the missiles from landing. Who made the right investment?
The Roman Republic was founded around 509 BC. The capital was moved to Constantinople around 900 years later and the Empire lived on for another thousand years, until 1453. The British Empire was shorter-lived, around 345 years between 1600-1945, its American incarnation lasting around 80 years from 1945-2023. The Israeli-led iteration is burning itself out quickly. From here it doesn’t look like it will last long.
Thoughts? >>2504819the original 1776 revolution was a war over which section of the capitalist class would control the colonies therein, with a small but notable faction of 'people's revolutionaries', those who were in favor of eliminating slavery from the outset, these men failed, and thus the revolution of we the people was never finished, ergo we are not communists, not anarchists, influenced by both perhaps, we are abolitionists, and we will complete the people's revolution, freeing this land from capital's control
>>2504813I think that Israel is one possible candidate for transferring the imperial capital. I don't think Israel is likely to succeed at becoming the imperial capital. IMO the main asset of Israel is its presence in big tech.
I'm not really sure where the imperial capital will move next after America. IMO it would definitely be one of the social democratic countries, so maybe Norway?
>>2504813this post is antisemitism
Israel does NOT control the world stop believing your eyes stupid chuds
(really though it's fascinating watching the American Empire dismantled by a single tiny colony in the Middle East that has no resources and no strategic value. What the FUCK is going on if ZOG isn't real?)
>>2504900>you have a state with a completely alien culture to the rest of the regionno strategic value
>that sits right next to the suez, that is close enough that you can strike any state within its reachyou just described every state in the Middle East, but in particular Kuwait and Saudi Arabia which are already American colonies. Israel itself actually has zero oil and the "alien culture" makes them much less useful for advancing US interests in the region when every other country in the region hates them. The US often uses Qatar or Saudi to mediate with other states in the region. Israel is never part of the conversation.
Like, the idea of using a country as an overseas military base isn't new. The US has been doing this all over the world throughout the 20th and 21st centuries. We have bases EVERYWHERE. Yet Israel is the only one the government has to ask permission before passing any legislation.
>>2504906>no strategic valuethat alone means they're infinitely dependent on foreign backing, likewise unlike the others it's the perfect air and naval base as well, the US government cannot use saudi arabia as much as it uses israel, does this mean that israel is a puppet of the USA? not really, it's no more a puppet of the USA than canada was a puppet of britain, the two however are interlinked, there's only 3 countries in the world that could sustain israel, those being the united states, russia and china (potentially india as well, but they don't have the power yet for it to matter), israel is also backed not by blackmail or whatever, the blackmail is secondary, the other primary asset is that US defence contractors need israel to exist as well, yet again because israel is weak enough that it needs foreign aid consistently, but strong enough to assert itself, without american aid, there would be no israel, as biden said in 1986
The capitalist class operates with little regard for borders, a fluidity it leverages to its advantage. The entire United States functions as a network of neocolonies—these states host governments that do not represent their people, but rather the corporations that operate within them. The majority of the population is exploited within this system; in fact, only a privileged 10% truly benefit from the capitalist-imperialist economy.
Beneath this broadly exploited class lies a layer of the hyper-exploited, who form the core source of slave labor for this anti-life regime. This super-exploitation is manufactured along racial, gender, and other lines, a deliberate construct of capitalism's superstructure. The rise of a hyper-militarized "War from Within," waged by agencies like ICE, makes this brutally clear. Hispanic people—and by extension, Indigenous people, as the term "Hispanic" is itself a colonizer label invented in the 1970s to impose a European (Spanish) heritage—are primary targets. Even the spectacle of Proud Boys leaders who identify as Hispanic cannot obscure this systemic reality; it only reiterates the haunting contradictions we must confront.
This pattern is rooted in an unfinished past. The first American Revolution of 1776 was ultimately a war over which faction of the capitalist class would control the colonies. While it included a small but notable faction of true people's revolutionaries—figures like Thomas Paine, who argued for abolishing slavery from the outset—they failed. Their defeat meant the people's revolution was never completed.
Therefore, we are not simply communists or anarchists, though we may be influenced by both. We are abolitionists. Our purpose is to finish that people's revolution and free this land from capital's control.
This struggle did not begin with us, nor did it pause after 1776. It is a continuous thread woven through this land's history: in the pan-tribal resistance led by Tecumseh, in the stunning victory of Indigenous nations at the Battle of Little Bighorn, in the bloody righteousness of Nat Turner’s rebellion, and in John Brown’s holy war against chattel slavery. The Civil War itself contained revolutionary, abolitionist currents that were ultimately subverted by capital, which traded chattel slavery for the prison of sharecropping and Jim Crow.
This tradition of people's war was carried into the industrial era by the IWW, which waged a protracted struggle from the 1880s to the 1930s. They were ultimately squashed not just by state violence, but by the betrayal of turncoat communists within the CPUSA and other factions that chose alignment with social democrats over revolutionary solidarity.
Even the global fight against fascism in WWII was subverted. While millions fought with an anti-fascist spirit, American corporations had fueled Hitler's rise, and after the war, the state imported Nazi scientists via Operation Paperclip, integrating their expertise into the U.S. military-industrial complex. Remember the Business Plot of 1933, where financiers attempted a fascist coup against FDR; though it failed, its architects remained in positions of immense power. This is the imported fascism, the enemy in new clothes.
The central problem has always been the strategic separation of perspectives through intentional racial division, a tactic solidified after Bacon's Rebellion. That rebellion was a prototype, unifying black and white workers to such a degree that the ruling class was forced to invent the concept of "whiteness" and codify chattel slavery to shatter that solidarity.
We can view this entire history through a hauntological lens: If Bacon's Rebellion achieved that much, we must imagine the lost future where that alliance also united with the native tribes, successfully ousting the private landed gentry. That ghost of a future, which was stolen from us, holds the key to the future we can still inherit.
As we stand at a critical juncture of remembrance—533 years since Columbus landed on Turtle Island in search of trade, gold, and markets; 406 years since the first person of African descent was brought to these shores in bondage; 350 years since Bacon's Rebellion; and 250 years since the capitalist class subverted the revolutionary currents of 1776—the pattern of division becomes starkly visible across the centuries.
The central, enduring problem of American history has been the strategic separation of perspectives through intentional racial division, a tactic systematically codified in the wake of Bacon's Rebellion. That uprising was a fiery prototype of class solidarity, unifying enslaved Africans, European indentured servants, and landless freemen to such a dangerous degree that the terrified ruling class was forced to engineer a social solution: they invented the legal and social concept of "whiteness" and hardened the system of hereditary chattel slavery specifically to shatter that multiracial solidarity. This was the "counter-revolution of 1676," a preemptive strike against a people's revolution that has shaped all that followed.
We must therefore view this entire history through a hauntological lens. We are haunted by the futures that were stolen from us. If the pursuit of trade and gold 533 years ago initiated this cycle of extraction and division, and if the solidarity glimpsed 350 years ago in Bacon's Rebellion was so potent it required a new system of apartheid to contain it, then we must actively imagine the lost future where that rebel alliance also united with the native tribes whose land was the rebellion's initial object. Imagine a future where that coalition—of the enslaved, the indentured, the landless, and the indigenous—successfully ousted the private landed gentry and built a society on a foundation of mutual interest, not racial capitalism.
That ghost of a future, a possibility born 350 years ago and suppressed ever since, is not a relic. It is a key. It unlocks the understanding that our present is built on a foundation of deliberately fractured solidarity. As we mark these grim anniversaries, we are not merely remembering the past; we are recovering a roadmap to the future we were denied, a future that, in recognizing its own stolen potential, we can still choose to inherit.
>>2504813>Imperial capital in Israellol wut
Israel is a small outpost in largely hostile territory. It makes no sense for that to be the outpost. Saudi Arabia is more likely lmao. The reality though is it's going to be China.
>>2503781Yeah, almost any panamericanist will agree that Brazil and the little nonlatin euro colonies have their own little quirks.
Do you know how hard is to get two warlords together? Bolivar died like a dog after failing to do it. Morazan was shot
at least like a prisoner aafter failing to unite those little bastards of central america, Santa Cruz was sent to Paris after failing to unite just two countries.
It is very difficult.
May do a thread in latam for it
>>2505264the saudis don't even recognize israel as a state
>>2505248yeah but they're in no rush to build them, they are already under Pakistan's nuclear umbrella
>>2503778Just in case, there is a long though about it. But it is mainly on the left (of course) and the right wing obssesed with spanish tradition (of course).
From marxists of the old class with a indoamerican union, panamerican union, the quasisakalian Abya Yala, etc, etc.
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uni%C3%B3n_Latinoamericanahttps://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panamericanismo >>2504869We have the entire MECW volumes in the /edu/ PDF thread. Why link a PNG?
>>2504857Anon, German Ideology, which the other anon recommended as a starting point, should be contained in Volume 5 of MECW
https://leftypol.org/edu/src/1726699593736-1.pdf >>2505328Great for Americans, bad for everyone else, right?
Modern conformity has not only made us lazy but stupid as well.
>>2505324>>2505326>>2505328One must understand the specific type of “laziness” they speak of. Which of them is the most historically progressive right is the what’s actually being asked here. Personally, it’s not a question I would ask.
>>2505337The Amish are not historically progressive and Engels would probably call them slurs.
>>2505324>>2505326I agree
Americans have become lazy too
>>2505366>vidrelWhy work so hard though?
>>2505366>e idea that "mexicans are lazy" seems reactionary and reductiveI read picrel once. not a burger but always thought Steinbeck may be partly to blame for this stereotype propagating so hard.
>>2505328>>2505326The labor aristocracy question fascinates me. In imperial core countries where concessions were won from the capitalist class, the capitalists were faced with a choice: Either roll back those concessions as quickly as possible, or outsource the labor to countries where those struggles were not yet won. Once they outsourced the labor, they were faced with a second question: How to prevent these same concessions being won in the global south? Through CIA coups, embargoes, invasions, sanctions, and structural adjustment programs turned out to be the collection of answers.
So the development goes like this:
1. Imperial core working class "wins" (partly) the class struggle, and gets slightly better working conditions
2. Porky finds this unacceptable, but is willing to deal with it by using other countries with worse working conditions
3. to prevent these concessions from happening in those countries, institute constant terror through client regimes.
4. If the people in the first world start to notice this constant terror, try to get them on board through MUH PATRIOTISM or whatever.
How to get out of this loop?
>>2505357He might point that out, but not in a positive sense. The Amish have not retained a positive birthrate through mastery of the reproductive sciences and proper societal development, but rather through a outdated and stagnant society that has their women imprisoned in the kitchen and their men disciplined into hardened reactionaries. They did not abolish the family, they entrenched it. Had there not been other factors at play here, they could have been a true threat serving as a growth bed for reactions.
Unfortunately for them, the industrialized world has cemented their fate as a doom culture. And despite what they may believe, they have little in terms of sustainability.
>>2505374You know what I've noticed, when people are on strike, it's not considered "lazy" because they're withholding their labor power from the capitalists in a strategic and organized way, whereas when someone does that as an individual, in a disorganized and unstrategic way, it's called "lazy." But if everyone decided to be "lazy" at the same time, it would cut into capitalist profits, and increase wages relative to amount of work done, even if it was ultimately a disorganized slowdown rather than a conscious thing.
So that's another reason I think the whole "lazy" thing is reductive.
>>2505388you explictly state why 'lazy' is a different category than 'strike' and yet find the distinction reductive? organization and massivity literally distinguish the two categories.
why are anarchists like this??
>>25053931. I'm not an anarchist so why ask a stupid loaded sectarian question like that.
2. another unstated reason I said it's reductive is because there's 2 groups being lazy. if you see people wtihholding their labor power in an
unorganized way, it's your job to
organize them. You can call them "lazy" instead with racial attacks (the context of the conversation was Mexican people, remebmer) but really if you call them lazy, you're also being lazy by not organizing them. so it's a reductive and hypocritical attack. instead of thinkin or saying "lazy lazy lazy" it should be "let's get this situation organized"
>>2505377this plan only works if America keeps those client states underdeveloped because only poor states replenish their future labor pool that keeps labor cheap
>How to get out of this loop?Chinas building infrastructure in poor countries through the belt and road, and a side effect of that is strangling the flow of immigration and cheap labor that sustains the western economies
>>2505390A strong indicator of is obesity levels in that society. Totally dependent on technology and mod-cons to get us through our lives.
I know individuals who travel 2 miles to obtain a single item. We have all committed this offense. The majority of Americans would not accept physically demanding jobs, like fruit picking, backend service roles, or any positions involving little lifting or walking.
>>2505400>this plan only works if America keeps those client states underdeveloped because only poor states replenish their future labor pool that keeps labor cheap
>Chinas building infrastructure in poor countries through the belt and road, and a side effect of that is strangling the flow of immigration and cheap labor that sustains the western economiesYes the incentive to keep client states underdeveloped is an important part of it that I forgot to mention. The original imperialism was to rapidly develop client nations (see how capitalist development was forced onto Japan by gunboat diplomacy) but in the long run that creates near-peer rivals so they changed their strategy to "use capital to develop the client states, but not so quickly that they catch up to us."
But China like you said is building infrastructure and also bailing people out of their IMF deb. So even if that's imperialism in the 19th century sense, it rapidly develops, unlike the 20th century US imperialism which keeps the client regimes from catching up.
Not to get into the China issue, but I find it interesting to compare the US's relationship with the global south to China's relationship to the global south. We often focus on whether the relationship is exploitative, but not whether it rapidly develops the exploited party or not. I think the latter question might be more important in the coming decades, since it determines who can eventually win sovereignty and break out of the cycle of forced underdevelopment.
>>2505422 (me)
But also wasn't this within the context of some back and forth with Bakunin? I'm too lazy (hehe) to check
>>2505422Sorry didn't mean to suggest you were
>>2505429I also don't know
>>2505397 (me)
This is why the US is currently reversing towards protectionism, for a lack of another nascent industry to capture and monopolize for the next 50 to 70 years, it's now struggling to recapture industries that are no longer oligopolies contained in the imperial core by drawing lands in the sand. This is also why there's so much push for AI, there's the illusion that AI might be that nascent industry the US needs with desperation (it's no coincidence that all datacenters with enough volume are all being built within the US, naturally lending itself well to monopoly). It's not an old loop that is repeating itself but a loop that for the first time ever has a possibility of collapsing into itself
>>2505309This
They didn't push the industrialization button hard enough because they realized life was fine being agrarian and therefore must suffer.
did you guys know indiana has an anonymous state hotline to denounce liberals on education?
https://archive.is/zsMJ6Five days later, Ms. Swierc was fired from her job as the director of health and advocacy at Ball State, one of more than 145 people around the country who’ve lost their jobs for posting negatively about Mr. Kirk. Mr. Rokita, the attorney general, noted the firing approvingly.
The rash of firings, which are raising questions about the limits of free speech, has been supercharged in Indiana, where top officials have been channeling public anger about posts that criticize Mr. Kirk into a kind of internet hotline, where submissions — that can include someone’s name, social-media posts and employer’s contact information — are displayed publicly on a government website.
The portal, called Eyes on Education, was started early last year as a way for parents of school children to submit examples of “inappropriate materials.” The concept spread to public universities later that year, after the passage of a law intended to take on liberal bias in higher education. Ball State University has its own portal, EthicsPoint, where students can anonymously report professors for biased behavior.
Ms. Swierc’s was the first submission in the Charlie Kirk section of Eyes on Education. As of Saturday, 32 others in education were listed as targets for firing. Mr. Rokita declined to be interviewed for this article.
University faculty in Indiana were already on edge after last year’s law exposed them to anonymous complaints. They have started to accompany one another to meetings with human resources, in a sort of buddy system. Ms. Vitale went with Ms. Swierc to hers. But while she knew people were nervous, she was unprepared for what came next. When she and her colleagues began to circulate a petition opposing the firing, many were too afraid to put their names on it. Some gave only their first names. Others said they’d agree only if others in their department did.
The fear is a measure of how much pressure higher education is under in Indiana. Another set of changes, which drew little notice because it was tucked into this year’s budget bill, eliminates programs that draw fewer than 15 graduates in a major. One colleague, a chair of a department that is close to the 15-student threshold, messaged Ms. Vitale to say that he was concerned that signing would lead to retaliation, and his first responsibility was to his faculty and their livelihoods.
A colleague in a different state who serves with Ms. Vitale in the leadership of the Radical Philosophy Association took their name off its website, as did several people in the A.A.U.P. at Ball State because they were worried about doxxing by outside groups. Ms. Vitale said she was fine with keeping her name public, but in the end all of their names came down.
As of Sunday, the petition against her firing had 83 signatures, out of about 3,000 full-time faculty and staff.
In interviews, faculty members said they opposed the firing, even if they didn’t want to be on the record saying it. But the reaction among the broader public was mixed. The Ball State announcement, which was viewed millions of times on X, got 25,000 likes.
>>2505629Step 1: Set up AI voice call system with multiple caller id
Step 2: Flood the hotline with absolutely nonstop baseless allegations about every teacher all at the same time
>>2505711Not the same intensity
Ofc Israel wasnt all buddies before that. But it was bullying Palestinians piece meal
Oct7 gave bibi the excuse to go defcon on their ass
What was the strategy here? “We are losing anyway so let us lose as hard as possible?”
>>2505714Yep. I have seen the saudi reasoning before but it doesnt really make sense to get obliterated as a group(hamas), have hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths, famine just to prevent saudi to recognise israel, which they are probably gonna recognise anyway.
Also, saudi recognising israel is just a formality. In practice, saudi does not oppose israel in any way and vice versa.
>>2505730this. This is the reason why I'm asking.
I do not expect strategy and long-term plans when Gaza teenagers are fed up with IDF soldiers and pelt them with stones. That is just random citizens (teenagers specifically) being fed up with their oppressors.
But Hamas is battle-hardened. It has a military wing, a political wing. It has ties with Iran, Hezbollah and Qatar.
Which is why Im trying to understand their reasoning behind Oct 7?
>>2505748>Look at the current political situation vs what would've happened by maintaining the status quo.Yes I can see things only got worse
They won the electronic intifada, great.
American youth are more pro-pales tine. And? Is the US any less pro-Israel?
Same with Europe.
Did Egypt intervene? Did Saudis?
Hundreds of thousands of dead, famine, for what in the end?
I would not be surprised if the Iranian leadership is preparing to gradually disengage completely from the Palestinian cause.
>>2505797this one was not even full
SHAME ON YOU
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