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After the Gen-Z screeching in Bangladesh, Indonesia, Nepal, it is now happening in King Julian's fief, MADAGASCAR. The whole package, with the One Piece cringe and all…

From Reuters:

''ANTANANARIVO, Sept 30 (Reuters) - Security forces fired teargas to disperse hundreds of young protesters in Madagascar's capital who took to the streets again on Tuesday despite the president's decision to partly yield to their demands by dissolving the government.
Andry Rajoelina went on state television late on Monday and said he wanted to create room for dialogue with young people pressing for access to water and an end to power cuts, and promised measures to support businesses affected by looting.''
''In a message on the protest movement's Facebook page, some of the protest organisers said they were disappointed by his speech and demanded an apology from him and the now dismissed prime minister, as well as the firing of Antananarivo's administrator.
Others went further, waving placards with messages such as "We need water, we need electricity, Rajoelina out", footage of protesters marching in the capital Antananarivo, broadcast on the privately owned broadcaster Real TV Madagasikara, showed.''

Leftypol scholars, what do you think? Lumpen-rioting, based proletarian revolution, or CIA-colour revolution?

Daily reminder

>3 helpful rules for "supporting a protest":


>1) If it's "leaderless," it's at best ineffective and at worst a CIA operation.

>2) If it makes awful demands, you'd better have an excuse.
>3) If your "support" has no effect on reality, nobody cares anyway

Protests that break out (seemingly) because of the conditions of public services are the most bullshit kinds of protests. Public services are by definition non-productive. They are necessary, but on their own they can't increase government revenue and directing more revenue towards them without changing anything will only strain the budget further and then the IMF comes and rapes you and now you have less money to spend on things

>but muh people's agency

See how these kinds of protestors never attack the corporations that are mostly responsible for the level of their living conditions or the ultra rich (except of course a few corrupt politicians that are far from being as rich as the actual capitalists). They never talk about how they could tax corporations or the rich effectively, not to mention nationalizing them to direct the profits directly into the national budget which would fix the problems they are complaining about.

"Muh quality of public services" protests almost always mean CIA involvement. Nobody would spontaneously start talking about policy before directly attacking the powers that be. Throw in advocacy for an oppressed minority group that has been oppressed for centuries and realistically will stay oppressed for a very long time and attacks against corrupt politicians (without saying who is corrupting them - capitalists) and you have the entire "social awareness raising" NGO playbook - meaning the DNC-aligned wing of the CIA.

>capitalism causing massive unrest for the disenfranchised youth
>no strong communist party that can funnel the unrest into a greater struggle
>it fizzles or is overtaken by bourgeois actors
<no this all cia and only the cia so we must root for he reactionary state to crush the youth
Why worry about the cia when we so easily beat our minds into submission as soon as we see unrest?

The timing is very odd

Just hearing about this now, but absolutely no support for Rajoelina, he is an actual neo-colonial satrap.

>>2504277
imperialists are looking for low hanging fruit, they need to crack the whip harder, and they if they suspect leaders that might be a cuck for a west 80% of the way and do 20% trade with china, its not good enough and they need to go.

Bangladesh was this "Juan Pis" buklshit? It was more student led than memefied.

Also there is a "movement" in Peru (were the VP of Pencil man rules after a rightwingfication) that has all the problems mentioned before.
>Decentralized: Some retards appeared on tv and with some right-wing politicians (lol)
>Awful demands:Nah, they are ok. The point is that if you find enough, the idea of a "Nepal" is not far away.
>Support: the gov carries 95+% disapproval. The thing that caps it falling is the economy and the baton.

>CIA-colour revolution?
fake I was told by multipolaristas that this couldn't possibly happen with USAID being defunded

>generationpol
GET OFF TWITTER, TOUCH DIGITAL GRASS

>>2504385
>gen Z protestors are protesting and they themselves are calling it a 'Gen Z' revolt
<REEEEE generationpol, touch grass REEEEEE

I had no idea that Madagascar was Actual Existing Socialism

Socialism in Madagascar is being brutally attacked by EU and State department deepstate Demonkkkrat funded lumpen reactionaries in a color revolution. The timing is very strange and coincidental (for reasons I can't explain). Uncritical """support""" for whoever (I don't know - still have to check the wikipedia page) is leading Madagascar.
Also did you know Madagascar trades with China and Russia? (No I don't know how much) And probably recognizes Palestine? This proves the protesters are zionist lumpen mercenaries funded by western NGOs trying to topple Madagascar's multipolarista anti-imperialist government.
Remember protesting against
>Local politicians
>Local parties
>Local decisions
>Non-western corporations
>Simply piss poor social services
>Any reason at all in a non-golden billionoid country
= CIA

>>2504210
>>2504269
>>2504282

>>2504452
Most CIA coups were not against socialists, they simply used the spectre as a justification.

Yay, another uprising where people here will act like the global proletariat finally rises up, but then 80% Hitler will just be replaced by 110% Hitler and all the retards disappear after the first Hitler copycat speech surfaces and the new regime starts genociding some random minority.

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>>2504153
>Leftypol scholars, what do you think? Lumpen-rioting, based proletarian revolution, or CIA-colour revolution?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Spring
>Since the early 2020s, a series of mostly youth-led anti-government protests and uprisings have spread across South and Southeast Asia, with several leading to massive reforms and regime change. These protests began as a response to widespread corruption, nepotism, economic inequality and mismanagement, authoritarianism, and democratic backsliding.[1][2] The term "Asian Spring" has been unofficially coined to describe these events, citing their similarities to the Arab Spring, though "Asian Uprising", "Gen-Z protests", and "Gen-Z revolutions" have also been used. The protests started with the Sri Lankan Uprising, the popular "Aragalaya", then spread to other Asian countries including Bangladesh, Nepal, Indonesia, Philippines and Timor-Leste.[3][4][5][6][7]

>The protests have been notable for the leading role taken by Generation Z, especially students, with social media playing a key role in organizing resistance and spreading their message.[8][9][10][11] Several affected governments enacted social media bans as a result.[12][13][14] Symbols in popular culture, such as the flag of the Straw Hat Pirates from the Japanese manga series One Piece, have been adopted by protestors across Asia to support their cause.[15][16][17] Governments were overthrown in Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and Nepal;[18] while protests in Indonesia and Timor-Leste achieved reversals of unpopular policies.[19][20][21] Mass protests are ongoing in the Philippines.[22][23][24] In Myanmar, government crackdowns against pro-democratic demonstrations have led to the present-day civil war between the ruling junta and several major insurgencies.[25][26][27] Due to the heavy-handed response and violent suppression by government forces, there have been mass arrests and thousands of deaths.[28][29][30][31]

>>2504491
I too can read Wikipedia. I was asking for YOUR opinion because I recognise that you have a brain too.

>>2504478
Protesting in favor of water and electricity access (basic bitch stuff socialist revolutionaries having been fighting for and running on in dozens of places) isn't even close to vague statements about
>Assad/[Villain of the Month] has to go!
Being repeated ad nauseam for 10 years straight.
The premise of a colour revolution is the government being vaguely "corrupt" and having to "go" no matter what, with any material compromise or local power sharing being deemed unacceptable and rejected outright, and protest leaders demanding national governments immediately step down or surrender to the opposition.

>>2504497
Because replacing nepo baby oligarch #1 with nepo baby oligarch #2 will suddenly materialize electrical infrastructure and water treatment plants out of thin air.

>>2504492
NATO associated NGO led protests making use of the same discontent they sowed during globalization to regime change or destabilize during the cold war. Is my take.

And IMO any communists trying to make this about themselves is just the classic envy of the armchair revolutionary. If anything the pattern that we are seeing this cold war is of the left, national and international being completely out of the picture, having nearly no effect on anything, yet frantically putting out statements as matter of dogma and unsubtly implying that they have a finger on the pulse of things merely by giving post-hoc rationalizations , each according to their own sect of socialism.

Frankly, as long as the left doesn't recognize their utter irrelevance and total defeat, there is no chance for anything. And none of these events will graciously deposit the will of the masses on any communists, no matter how many told-you-so's the local chapter of literal whos publishes or how scathing they are.

Oh boy ANOTHER "leaderless" group of zoomers brainwashed by globalist propaganda serving as the foot soldiers for a NATO color revolution by using the conditions caused directly by American imperialism as an excuse to loot and pillage random people's homes and properties and cause enough chaos to put a more pliable puppet into power? How unprecedented!

>>2504500
Were Nepalese communists, and leaders like Chavez nepo babies too?
If people (Workers, gen z lumpen, whatever) aren't allowed to protest, riot or launch insurgencies against their anti-communist reactionary nepotistic comprador governments because that's a heckin color revolution, then what's the point of doing anything at all?
You do realize the reactoids leading Madagascar have been arresting trade unionists too for years now, right?

It's all so fucking tiresome. Same goes for the kind of people who pretend Vučić is this anti-western anti-zionist multipolarista and Serbian protesters are doing a "color revolution", but then you check and he's pro-zionist and selling weapons to Ukraine and selling out the country to western investors.
>>2504506
>Regime change
For what reason lol? What's prompting this? Did the Malagasy government try to nationalize western businesses? Are they embargoing Israel? Are they selling weapons to Russia?
The leader of the country is literally a French citizen lmao. And he was part of past governments who privatized Malagasy state industries.
Jfc the absolute state of /leftypol/ these days lmao.

>>2504526
UNCRITICAL
Support
for
SOCIALIST
small business owners
and the
IMF backed
government of Madagascar
in their
ANTI-IMPERIALIST
struggle against
NGO funded
LUMPEN ZIONISTAS

>>2504532
They’re a nation made up of neither whites nor chosenites that exists independently in some capacity from Anglo-American domination. That really is the only justification they need

>>2504532
I never mentioned color revolutions lmao.
Fact is: this is not a revolution that will change anything about the conditions of proles in Madagascar for the positive. The War of the Roses was not a peasant uprising!

>>2504541
>Protest against inaccessible water and electricity
>Implying if they succeed this wouldn't positively impact Malagasy proles
Are you for real? Numerous socialist revolutions were triggered by poverty and famine too.
>>2504536
Idiotic take not worth engaging with. Actual race war/clash of civilizations nonsense.

>>2504542
Socialist revolutions that happened had a political apparatus ready to replace the government, trained and heavily armed militia and a supportive civilian population.
Madagascar and all other Gen Z revolutions had none of that, which is why they voted in another Hitler when they had the opportunity to force their demands.

>>2504506
how do you know each of these protest movements is from NGO/civil society groups and by proxy NATO, just off the top of my head in Myanamar the opposition and support for he Tatmadaw is nearly Syrian civil war levels different factions with there own ideologies and agendas.

>>2504581
He doesn't know shit, he's the poster who has NATO is living in his walls, can't help but see them pulling strings everywhere.

>>2504210
>Protests that break out (seemingly) because of the conditions of public services are the most bullshit kinds of protests.
Abysmal state of socialists

Stalinists are totally irrelevant

>>2504210
Kys nazi

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itt

>>2504500
this.
The 'millions in the streets' crowd do not understand that simply chimping out in the streets will not eradicate corruption and materialise infrastructure out of thin air. Too many of my third world brethren believe the country has a god given right to be Switzerland, and all we have to do is 'get rid of the corrupt officials'

>>2505074
Oof sweetie, looks like you did a western chauvinism by forgetting to include the anti-imperialist socialistic multipolarist bastion of Serbia.
https://serbiantimes.info/en/vucic-met-with-benjamin-netanyahu-a-free-trade-agreement-between-israel-and-serbia-is-possible/

>>2505115
>Chimping out
>Mentioning "corruption" when the protestors are making material demands like access to water and electricity
Nepalese communists were also "chimping out" for a decade before removing the (absolute) monarchy.

>>2504153
>Aping
>Madagascar
Why are you racist?

>>2505118
Why didn't the Nepali communists not just make communism happen? If communism happened then there wouldn't he protests. Are they stupid?

>>2505118
>>2505123
every human being has the capacity to chimp/ape out. Nothing racist about it.

>>2505124
There’s a half dozen communist parties in Nepal that all hate each other

>>2505132
Why don't they just get along and then all sort out their differences once they're in power? Are they stupid?

>>2505132
True leftypol country


>>2505140
why is the IRA licking anglo-ass? Are they just stupid?

>>2505074
Imperial core chimpouts are more often than not color revolutions or at the very least serve liberal imperialist interests, see BLM, No Kings, etc

>>2505126
>revolting against injustice by taking to the streets is "chimping out"
you should just kys to spare the world of your reactionary brain damage

>>2505158
>Are they just stupid?
Yes.

>>2505163
The “injustice” that is a direct consequence of their government and nation being under siege by American imperialism?

>>2504210
>>2505115
wtf are these polyps pretending to be leftist

>>2505074
Funny things is ziggers also don't like protests in the US, France or the UK lmao

>>2505168
They got out the /ukraine/ containment thread

>>2504221
>Why worry about the cia when we so easily beat our minds into submission as soon as we see unrest?
This tbh. If anything the greatest psyop victory of the CIA is convincing so many socialists to oppose literally any outbreak of unrest regardless of where it happens, who is demonstrating, and what their grievances are. Such people have literally been defeated in their minds before even attempting to struggle.

>>2504536
>They’re a nation made up of neither whites nor chosenites that exists independently in some capacity from Anglo-American domination.
Ever since the end of direct colonial rule literally every country on earth exists "independently in some capacity from Anglo-American domination." That's the entire fucking point of neo-colonialism, to grant local compradors a degree of independence in exchange for continued loyalty and cooperation with the imperialist system. According to you then every country is a candidate for colour revolution no matter how loyal a comprador it is in practice. If you look hard enough you will find some instance of "anti-Western" behaviour among even the most critically important comprador regimes. Mobutu gave some aid to the PLO but I dare you to try and tell me he was a hero of anti-imperialist resistance or an enemy of the West. It's pretty obvious you people don't actually understand how modern international relations in the age of neo-colonialism work, since you seem to think that it's impossible for otherwise loyal comprador regimes to ever have their own interests or diverge from the West on anything. You need to look at the balance of their activities and make an assessment about whether its realistic for the West to expend resources and risk destabilization/blowback trying to topple a government that's entirely compliant 90% of the time. The absolute state of this place.

while color revolutions are a real phenomena they provide a simple narrative of perfidious foreign influence that tempting to use to explain away events outside the complexity of their national and historical context. even confirmed, obvious color revolutions (and attempts at them) like ukraine, hong kong, krygystan, and georgia cant be satisfactorily explained by the simple fact of US/NATO operations and NGO complex. there is an array of local class interests, historical contradictions, and spontaneous popular action that give US imperialism a foothold to establish influence and leverage the situation to their own ends. those local class interests, historical contradictions, and spontaneous popular actions happen regardless. which isnt to say that imperialist influence doesnt change their character, but is simply saying that the world and history does not stop moving in the absence of CIA ops. any attempt at understanding the world that automatically assumes imperialist shenanigans without any knowledge of local circumstances is going to spiral more or less rapidly into vulgar conspiracism that leaves no room for the proletariat to be anything other than an optional symbol of vaguely righteous resistance to shadowy cabals, i.e. is contrary to communist politics.

The reactionary uprising will surely turn into a communist mass movement, any minute now guis

>>2505340
>reactionary uprising

Do chew haveat a single satisfact to snack that up?

>>2505347
Better, they've got sweeping assumptions and vague generalizations.

>>2505285
>>2505288
i get called zigger and hang on /ukr/, and Im >>2505168, love protests in the imperial core and defended pretty much all protests that got called color revolution by some random uninformed retards
so Im simply gonna say you guys are idiots obsessed with strawmen of your political rivals
Also the "no investigation, no right to speak" should be a board rule. That a bunch of idiots started arguing muh color revolution while there not being a single good post or article about the situation or the country is pathetic

"Color revolution" is just modern bourgeois revolution by globo capitalism for fuck sake, it's not CIA or something, but basically class contradiction.
Have you ever seen color revolution in Russia, in EU, or in modern China? It's fucking impossible, the superstructure is already capitalist, what is there to revolt for the capitalists? Such modern capitalist states can only be defeated in imperialist war such as WW1, WW2, or the latest Russia-Ukraine conflict. Even fucking Maidan was a coup with paramilitary from the West, basically an invasion. It's capitalist vs capitalist action, a war, there is nothing revolutionary there.

Meanwhile, most modern color revolution from shitholes riddled with neo-feudalism, nepotism, corruption are basically bourgeois revolution. Therefore as socialists, you don't need to support them, but don't decry them as pointless. If the aftermath of it is shit, then it's basically because capitalism nowadays is shit, not because of chimping out is shit. And not to mention chimping out can make the new rulers less arrogant than the previous rulers before.


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