/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Why would you add Heidegger to this?

What's the point of reading all these complex philosphies when leftists can't even get basic logic right? Like thinking that mass immigration is good. When you make mistakes like that what's the point of reading 10,000 pages of deep logic and psychoanalysis and history of whateve

>>2510157
Haz shills heidegger
https://leftypol.org/dead/res/5617.html

>>2510160
>What's the point of reading all these complex philosphies when leftists can't even get basic logic right? Like thinking that mass immigration is good.

mass migration is the result of imperialism, currency hegemony, and climate change. end those things and you won't have a global refugee crisis. capitalists constantly destroy the weaker countries through covert warfare (sanctions, embargoes, coups, loans) and overt warfare (invasions, assassinations) in order to create a constant churning of people who can be used as cheap labor. Even if you legally restrict immigration and pour all your money into "Muh border security" people still slip through the cracks because your border officials are all corrupt anyway. They engage in arms and drug dealing and human trafficking. They don't actually care about fixing the problem. But at the same time you should still question bourgeois nationalism and ask why commodities should be more free to move than people. This isn't advocacy of mass migration, it's a questioning of the bourgeoisie's control over the flow of commodified labor.

>>2510162
People getting into communism via this clown and assuming Heidegger, who was a member of the nazi party, is an essential communist thinker, is troubling.

>>2510153
> necessary
No. The only important thing you can do in this stage of history is raise class consciousness among the working class. You can study philosophy if you want, but no one is holding a gun to your head.

>>2510157
>>2510162
Radlibs and association fallacy, name a more iconic duo.

>>2510168
yep; his justification for it is that there's some kind of essentialist civilizational subconscious characteristics that people have because of where they were born, an irreconcilable difference that makes marxism fundamentally "nationalist" and "anti-globalist"

in that /dead/ thread he's trying to make the case, in a very long winded and philosophical way, that socialism with national characteristics must always compromise with the existing conservative civilizational superstructure of a given reason, because the masses have their own unique civilizational idea of what reality is, and a Marxist Year Zero can't be imposed on that out of nowhere. This is what education/agitation/organization are for but Dugin types make the case that there is a subjective reality, a sort of 1984 Big Brother Religion that nations have before Marxism shows up, and Marxism can't erase that very quickly, and has to work inside of that existing context. Which, I'm not sure I entirely agree with that. But w/e

>>2510171
of a given region*, shit

Hi uyghur

>>2510171
>a Marxist Year Zero can't be imposed on that out of nowhere
>This is what education/agitation/organization are for
No, those things are meant to produce a social organ of the working class that can challenge, overturn and claim state power. Where did you hear those things are meant to ready the population for a Marxist year zero?