Hi,
This is an important topic and I try my best to follow Marxist approach. I believe that this is a valid topic for discussion and hope that it won't get banned simply because of potential negative associations with rightoids. This research of mine is inspired by struggle of victims of Gazan Genocide.
With the recent series of absolutely blatant acts of enshrining Israel as the sacred cow of American politics, an apartheid genocidal theocratic ethnostate, with measures such as banning of burning Israeli flags, making business dealings with Israel mandatory and forbidding critique of Israel for receiving American government contracts, mass expulsion of Israel-critical students from universities and deportations of pro-palestinian workers, and with the clear-cut dominant position of Zionist Billionaires (most of whom follow Judaism) in the American ruling class, it should be time to address the ideological concept behind both Israel and American ruling class - their religion. This does not imply that they are religious, or even believers, but religion serves a social function of excluding them from the rest of society and giving them their own set of accepted norms.
Of course, ruling class is going to do what it is meant to do to survive - oppress and distract and exploit the working people, but this can be done differently, in different frameworks and internal justifications. These do not change the general capitalist oppression character, but change its style and priorities. Historically, for example, American capitalists were following Protestant theology. In short, in Lutheranism and Calvinism there is no free will, and everything is a part of God's plan - so capitalists are not responsible for their wealth plundering and it is portrayed as God-foreseen inevitability. The idea of salvation through faith also tacitly clears of any responsibility, lowering the requirements for entering heaven. John D. Rockefeller, the pancapitalist of early XX century and a Protestant, considered his wealth to be a "God-given gift". This line of thought culminates in the vile prosperity theology, where success coming from God's grace - so if you are rich, that is because you are a fundamentally good person destined to rule over the undesirable dirty poor people.
While American ruling class was historically Protestant, more and more followers of Judaism appear in it. In 2014, Dr. Gerhard Falk, a professor of sociology reported that 48% of American billionaires were following Judaism. It is clear that Judaism is the new religion of American ruling class and this should not escape Marxist analysis or be downplayed, especially not when the genocide is going on - perhaps not the last one of this century committed by these actors.
Judaism gives very nowadays obvious benefits, a rhetorical shield of becoming a member of a protected minority with history of persecution - a card to appeal to when justly criticized. But why not Hawaian religion, for example? Clearly, the benefits must also be internal, not just internal. Judaism is an exclusive religion. One cannot convert to Judaism to become a fully recognized Jews by most rabbis - that's why a goy (non-follower of Judaism and not ethnically belonging to tribal followers of Judaism) cannot become a citizen of Israel by simply converting. This exclusivity coincides very well with the exclusivity of capitalist class as a whole - safeguarding them from infiltration by unproven elements or people who create more unneeded competition. This exclusivity by itself creates the "big club and you ain't in it" framework of master-slave relationship in American capitalism. One possible way to join is marrying a Judaism-following woman - that's why all of Joe Biden's children are married to followers of this religion (look it up). But that's not all.
I hate nazis and the like, and everything that comes from them, including their allegations against Judaism, so I had to do my own research. Unfortunately, my study of the religious literature of Judaism leaves for me no other conclusion than admitting that this is a supremacist religion like no other I know of. Please let me give a brief outline of it. It consists of what is close to an Old Testament to Christians (Tanakh, including Torah, which is Pentateuch to Christians) and commentaries on it (Mishnah, Halachic Midrash, Tosefta, Gemaras used for compilations of Jerusalem and Babylonian Talmuds, and the following commentaries, of these most important being Maimonides' Mishneh Torah). Early commentaries are also called "Oral Torah" and are as sacred as the Torah, they are claimed to be secret knowledge passed from Moses to lines of rabbis, thus keeping them secret from gentiles (another name for non-followers of Judaism and not from a Judaism followers' tribal lineage; gentiles/goys are also sometimes called "children of Noah", claimed to be given God's Noahite law but then led astray by "idolaters") until written down in Jerusalem and later Babylon (Jerusalem and Babylonian Talmuds - they are similar, the Babylonian one is more complete and has greater authority). The entire structure of Judaism is exclusionary and divides everyone in 2 categories: the tribe following Judaism and all the other tribes (goys/gentiles).
Judaism followers are regarded as ethnically and spiritually special with special attention from God. This is the attitudes of Torah and, more generally, Tanakh themselves, so Talmud builds on this tradition for sacred religious law rulings (like Sharia law in Islam).
Importantly, gentiles themselves are divided into 2 categories: noahite,and idolaters. Idolaters are gentiles following any other religion than Judaism. Jesus Christ for example is considered to be an idol for Christians. This is a natural conclusion from Tosefta, Fourt Division (Neziqin), Abodah Zarah 6:8 (Neusner's translation), which says "A man who is worshiped even though he is permitted, those who worship him are put to death through stoning." Idolaters are to be stoned to death generally (Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 53a; Soncino English translation). Noahites are essentially followers of Judaism who do not have tribal lineage ethnically and are granted a much simpler legal code. This was not a thing for millenia, but the modern B'nai Noach religious movement precisely fits into this category. They are subservient to the followers of Judaism who are ethnically valid (people who can get Israeli citizenship by descent). Atheists are in a more of a gray legal area, but since they may not follow what are "Noahite laws" especially considering sexual matters, they can be put to death for violating them (Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 57a; Soncino English translation: "R. Huna, Rab Judah, and all the disciples of Rab maintained: A heathen is executed for the violation of the seven Noachian laws").
The tribal supremacism of Judaism is expressed most clearly in different status of tribal adherents and gentiles (Noahide or not, doesn't matter). Tosefta, Fourt Division (Neziqin), Abodah Zarah 8:4: "A gentile [who kills] a gentile and a gentile who kills an Israelite are liable. An Israelite [who kills] a gentile is exempt." - what can characterize modern Israel more precisely than this? Not a single other religion has something like this (please prove if I am wrong). This statement from Tosefta is repeated in the Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 57a. Very interestingly this passage is very often self-censored by translators of Babylonian Talmud. It is totally omitted by Michael L. Rodkinson's 1918 translation, Volumes XV and XVI in one book, page 170, or for a word "gentile" a different word is used like "Cuthean" (Soncino English translation). But it must be very well understood that this literature is sacred to Judaism and that there is the original text in Hebrew or Aramaic with accurate rendering of the word. Since the text is sacred, this censorship was not made for theological reasons, but purely political ones, obscuring and hiding these unsightly passages. The word "גוי" is used originally, goy. This can be seen in uncensored editions of Judaic texts and on sefaria online resource, which is a great source of literature of this religion - be sure to select the right uncensored version of the original text.
Relatively more recent works by medieval Judaic theologians, like that of glorified Maimonedes, who is claimed to be the great preacher of love in modern Israel (but love only for co-tribesmen), especially by the Academy of the Hebrew Language leading member Dr. Yohai Makbili (יוחאי מקבילי). Maimonedes works were subjected to the same self-censorship, especially in 2 important passages which picked my attention. One is (Maimonides' Mishneh Torah, Foreign Worship and Customs of the Nations, 10:1) "Accordingly, if we see an idolater being swept away or drowning in the river, we should not help him" (Eliyahu Touger's translation). While this already is extremely problematic and inhumane, the original one again states "goy" instead of "idolater" - meaning all gentiles whatsoever regardless of their beliefs. The second passage (Maimonides' Mishneh Torah, Foreign Worship and Customs of the Nations, 9:4) is "The Canaanites are idol worshipers, and Sunday is their festival" (Eliyahu Touger's translation). The uncensored word for "Canaanites" is "Nazarenes" (הנוצרים), meaning followers of Jesus of Nazareth (ישו הנוצרי) aka Jesus Christ, thus confirming that Christians are to be stoned to death in a proper Judaic society, the one which is worshipped by Zionist Christians. Importantly, stoning might be used to indicate not the necessity of killing, but a necessity of rights termination, of enslavemen. A setenced to death is the ultimate rightsless object to be exploited. Most editions of Mishneh Torah no longer have the censorship (Frankel's edition, Academy of the Hebrew Language's edition and many others, these can't yet be found on sefaria though). There are many other blatantly supremacist passages in the Talmud and other Judaic holy works, but these are sufficient for my demonstration purposes. Many of the passages deal with different treatment of ethnic Judaic Jews and non-Jews, or with getting advantage of non-Jews.
What could be Marxist conclusions of these findings? We often downplay and underestimate religion as "opium of the masses", a shell used to maintain the people's exploitation. In my opinion, there is more to that than that. Religion serves as an additional layer of institutionalizing certain norms, not just for manipulation. Oligarchical capitalism and Judaism clearly found each other to be a perfect match. Capitalists view workers as no more than resource to be exploited for profits - this is very similar to how Judaism treats gentiles. Thus oligarchical capitalism gets an additional institutional support for its oppression in the eyes of the capitalists, not only giving them a protected minority status, marking their special oligarchical club, but also making it morally normal to exploit the people to the maximum extent possible, humanity be damned. This lifts any meek potential moral constraints coming with Protestant Christianity, paving the way to technocratic totalitarian oligarchical capitalism, with people processed more as meat rather than living beings with rights. Judaism is not needed for such a treatment. It is a natural fascist imperialist final stage of capitalism. Yet Judaism can be used to support and regulate this totalitarian process as a cryptic code of conduct internally and a rhetorical/institutional shield externally, and Judaism can no longer be viewed as a legitimate shield for people's oppression. As I personally am for freedom of consciousness, I think that it is fine for people to have beliefs that they must enslave other people - these ideas won't hold in front of popular dissemination. Cults and religious minorities can have whatever crazy beliefs they may have, but these should be treated objectively from a Marxist perspective as vile irrational belief systems.
I hope that what I've learned and expressed here would be of benefit to Marxists, Socialists and Communists in their analysis of modern American capitalism. The role of Judaism in it should be a subject of serious academic research but, naturally, as the academia is captured by capitalists, it is a taboo topic and the only in-depth book on the subject is by a non-academic and a Christian fundamentalist Michael Hoffman's "Judaism discovered from its own texts" which I DID NOT use when doing my research, but which I've read afterwards - and while it is filled with fundamentalist Christian bias, the extractions from Talmud are accurate and are not picked out of context. You can send me feedback in this leftypol thread or by email "A.Babkin93" "@" "proton" "." "me". I am tired of keeping all this information inside of myself and might talk occasionally (don't get your hopes high). And, of course, I naturally use Tor to post this as, admittedly, from everything I am seeing, Israel is extremely control-freakish in targeting anyone who is critical of it so I am all but certain that they will try to target me in case I publish this non-anonymously.
All the best and thanks for reading!
Judaism should be rebranded as cult
It shouldn't have the same status as Christianity, Islam and other big religions.
>>2514521Precisely. That is why we should stamp out cults, as unlike "actual religions" they aren't too large and long-established for this to be unfeasible.
>>2514521I don't think it's true. I see them (at least the big universal ones: Islam, Christianity and Buddhism) as ancient progressive movements, like today's Marxism.
>>2514648christians and muslims are wannabe jews (christians call themselves israel and muslims call themselves ishmaelites). its no surprise then that this is where most antisemitism comes from: no true jew!
>>2515520This one is probably true, it's not like with Tylenol where there's obvious confounding factors, like a person with fever being more likely to take it
>>2514650Not that anon, but holy shit, you're so fucking right
<Judaism reaches its highest point with the perfection of civil society, but it is only in the Christian world that civil society attains perfection. Only under the dominance of Christianity, which makes all national, natural, moral, and theoretical conditions extrinsic to man, could civil society separate itself completely from the life of the state, sever all the species-ties of man, put egoism and selfish need in the place of these species-ties, and dissolve the human world into a world of atomistic individuals who are inimically opposed to one another.
<Christianity sprang from Judaism. It has merged again in Judaism.
<From the outset, the Christian was the theorizing Jew, the Jew is, therefore, the practical Christian, and the practical Christian has become a Jew again.
<Christianity had only in semblance overcome real Judaism. It was too noble-minded, too spiritualistic to eliminate the crudity of practical need in any other way than by elevation to the skies.
<Christianity is the sublime thought of Judaism, Judaism is the common practical application of Christianity, but this application could only become general after Christianity as a developed religion had completed theoretically the estrangement of man from himself and from nature.
<Only then could Judaism achieve universal dominance and make alienated man and alienated nature into alienable, vendible objects subjected to the slavery of egoistic need and to trading.
<Selling [verausserung] is the practical aspect of alienation [Entausserung]. Just as man, as long as he is in the grip of religion, is able to objectify his essential nature only by turning it into something alien, something fantastic, so under the domination of egoistic need he can be active practically, and produce objects in practice, only by putting his products, and his activity, under the domination of an alien being, and bestowing the significance of an alien entity – money – on them.
<In its perfected practice, Christian egoism of heavenly bliss is necessarily transformed into the corporal egoism of the Jew, heavenly need is turned into world need, subjectivism into self-interest. We explain the tenacity of the Jew not by his religion, but, on the contrary, by the human basis of his religion – practical need, egoism.
<Since in civil society the real nature of the Jew has been universally realized and secularized, civil society could not convince the Jew of the unreality of his religious nature, which is indeed only the ideal aspect of practical need. Consequently, not only in the Pentateuch and the Talmud, but in present-day society we find the nature of the modern Jew, and not as an abstract nature but as one that is in the highest degree empirical, not merely as a narrowness of the Jew, but as the Jewish narrowness of society.
<Once society has succeeded in abolishing the empirical essence of Judaism – huckstering and its preconditions – the Jew will have become impossible, because his consciousness no longer has an object, because the subjective basis of Judaism, practical need, has been humanized, and because the conflict between man’s individual-sensuous existence and his species-existence has been abolished.
<The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism.This is why I has always remained critical with /pol/fags, they're only anti-Judaism in the sense of they're not able to become the Jews. They're fine with social order of Jews (Capitalists) and Goyim (Proletariat) if they stand in the side of Capitalists. Such people are useless and harmful for the cause of Anti-Capitalism, not even Communism. What is the point of eliminating the Jews, only for another kind of Jews to rule over us? Is Judaism fine, if instead of "Jews", it's "White"? Bah!
No wonder Judaism cannot dominate China, despite the inherent and rampant self-interestedness and pragmatism there. I have always wonder why capitalist relation is so strong there, but it has never fell into the decadency of Judeo-Captailism, and China always maintain the almost delicate balance of state capitalism with socialist policy. On the other hand, USSR only toyed with the idea of profit as index of economic performance, but enough to bring the whole Union down the slipy slope of market reformism and capitalism restoration. Christianity as social ideology is totally harmful and a vector for the capitalist roaders to dominate society.
>>2514650Notice how in this critique of religion Marx does not cite a single passage from any notable Jewish religious work. The temptation to opine on matters that they have never studied before seems to be a common pitfall for philosophers of all stripes and political views.
>>2514654Christianity is not [just] "Jewish". Christianity is the result of a few centuries of philosophical ping-pong between ancient Greeks and ancient Jews (that had also involved surrounding cultures). Islam is the mutated offshoot of Christianity I think.
>>2515866>Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew – not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew.
>Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew.
>What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.
>Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Judaism, would be the self-emancipation of our time.Citing any religious text is irrelevant because because people don't model their lives after religion but real material conditions and then use religion as an afterthought to rationalize
>>2515883Jesus is literally not. He tried to be the jewish messiah, and failed. Paul was an universalist who wanted to abolish the Jew-Gentile distinction altogether. The idea that Christians are "real Jews" is a perversion invented by Anglo Protestants.
>>2515879Replace Jew with any other religion and race and that passage would make equal sense. That's the failure of Marx's critique he doesn't know anything about Judaism so he makes such generalized statements that anyone and anything could also work within the same framework. What else do you expect from an atheist Jew who married into a bourgeois Christian family for status points (lol).
>Let's look at how Jews live under capitalism>Uhhhhhh I guess they're all hustling for money HAHA GOTEM<Idiots quoting this passage ignore every other racial group and religious group were doing the same thing because it's the system and not the people >>2514481nobody cares ffs, what is there to analyse it's all jebediah zebediah zacariah gomorrah ezekiel bla bla bla
you sound like those rastafarai people who keep seeing babylon and zion in everything
>>2515898>The idea that Christians are "real Jews" is a perversion invented by Anglo Protestantsits literally in the bible:
>I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father. “Abraham is our father,” they answered. “If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would do what Abraham did. As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. You are doing the works of your own father.” "We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.” Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”<john 8:38-47>No, a person is a Jew who is one INWARDLY; and circumcision is circumcision of THE HEART, by the Spirit, NOT by the WRITTEN code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.<romans 2:29>It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned. In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring. For this was how the promise was stated: “At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son.”<romans 9:6-9>What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but the people of Israel, who pursued the law as the way of righteousness, have not attained their goal.<romans 9:30-31>Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but do lie — behold, I will make them to come and worship at thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.<revelation 3:9here, there are the children of flesh who follow the LETTER of the law and there are children of God who follow the SPIRIT of the law. as Jesus says, the pharisees are NOT of the father, and as paul says, a JEW is a JEW inwardly not outwardly. thus, the christian is the "true" israel, child of the promise.
>>2515954
the worldly god of a muslim is a christian
the worldly god of a christian is a femboy
the worldly god of a femboy is money
the worldly god of money is a jew
>>2515937The Bible literally contradicts you:
>In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.I.e. Jesus (or Paul - does it matter much?) clearly did not use the word "Jew" to describe ethnicity. Your walls of text also ignore such universally known facts as hellenistic origin of the Trinity, or the material reality of the 95+% of the Christian at the moment of Paul's death already being Gentiles using Koine Greek as a sacral language.
>>2516004paul's point is literally that being a "real" jew means believing in Jesus. thats all that is able to be interpreted. those who "call themselves jews but are not" are the "synagogue of satan", etc.
you lack hermeneutics because youve never read the bible
>hellenistic origin of the TrinityJesus only speaks of the father and son, which is a twin power found in the old testament. the trinity is a later theological invention which may or may not have validity but is itself only subtextual
>>2516004>>2516025here's some examples of the twin power of heaven:
>Then King Nebuchadnezzar leaped to his feet in amazement and asked his advisers, “Weren’t there three men that we tied up and threw into the fire?” They replied, “Certainly, Your Majesty.” He said, “Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods.”<daniel 3:24-25a son of God?
>“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.<daniel 7:13-14a son of man?
>There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up.<exodus 3:2the angel of the lord?
>Then the Angel of the LORD put out the end of the staff that was in His hand, and touched the meat and the unleavened bread; and fire rose out of the rock and consumed the meat and the unleavened bread. And the Angel of the LORD departed out of his sight. Now Gideon perceived that He was the Angel of the LORD. So Gideon said, 'Alas, O Lord GOD! For I have seen the Angel of the LORD face to face.'<judges 6:21-22the angel of the lord is seen to be a special person who resembles the form of a man
>The Angel who has redeemed me from all evil,Bless the lads; Let my name be named upon them, And the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; And let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth."
<genesis 48:16the angel of the lord REDEEMS men from evil
>Then the LORD opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, "What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?" And Balaam said to the donkey, "Because you have abused me. I wish there were a sword in my hand, for now I would kill you!" So the donkey said to Balaam, "Am I not your donkey on which you have ridden, ever since I became yours, to this day? Was I ever disposed to do this to you?" And he said, "No." Then the LORD opened Balaam's eyes, and he saw the Angel of the LORD standing in the way with His drawn sword in His hand; and he bowed his head and fell flat on his face.<numbers 22:28-31the angel of the lord taking the form of a donkey? just as it was supposed at the time of early christianity.
etc.
Jesus is the angel of the lord, the "son of man" who holds dominion over the earth. he rules with the father; "the ancient of days". in all this, the "holy spirit" is not identified as a third "person".
>>2516025>paul's point is literally that being a "real" jew means believing in Jesus. thats all that is able to be interpreted.You yourself had said it. Christianity is not Jewish (in the modern, ethnic sense) because when Paul (and Jesus) speak about "Jews", they do not actually talking about Jews in the modern meaning of the word (a certain ethnicity originating from Judea).
>you lack hermeneutics because youve never read the bibleI had read the bible first time as a young middle schooler but okay
>>2516064Nothing out of this disproves my point: the Trinitary God is of a Hellenistic origing, specifically being a pinnacle of a (reactionary) Neoplatonic philosophy. Trinitary God only looks similar to Yahweh II* and was eventually combined into one character with him because they both most likely originate from Ahura Mazdah, the OG Capital-G God** (because both Jews and Greeks were heavily influenced by Persians)
*Yahweh II - the God described by Isaiah, Daniel, e.t.c. and also Jesus' Dad. Not to be confused with his predeccessor Yahweh I, described in Torah (who is painfully obviously a lowercase g-god at best).
** If you don't count Akhenaten's Aton
>>2516278>Christianity is not Jewish (in the modern, ethnic sense) because when Paul (and Jesus) speak about "Jews", they do not actually talking about Jews in the modern meaning of the word (a certain ethnicity originating from Judea).then what does "jew" mean in the bible, exactly? 🤨
>the Trinitary God is of a Hellenistic origingsure, but thats theology, not hermeutics
>>2516280>then what does "jew" mean in the bible, exactly?In New Testament specifically, the "Jew" means "the person who follows/worships Yahweh 2". You know, we may not even actually disagree! When you were saying that "Christianity is Jewish, and Christians are wannabe Jews" you were using the word "Jew" in that ancient meaning, and thus were saying the obviously correct statement (because obviously, Christians very much love imagining themselves the only true Yahweh 2 worshippers) however I had read that in the modern meaning of "Jew" ("Christians believe that their literal ancestors were Semitic people of Israel/Judea) and got outraged since, like… only Christian Identity chuds believe in this bullshit.
>>2516299But MaoAnon, we need to criticise Judaism too (as well as Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism)! Firstly, "Judaism followers influence the Western politics" WOULD have been nothing but a Nazi conspiracy theory in 1933… and in 1945, and in 1948, and even in 1956. But now? It may have an actual kernel of truth to it. Secondly, the biggest victims of Judaism are the Jews themselves. Think at least about how circumcission may have been causing the massive psychosexual trauma to generations of men, but we don't know for sure because doctors are afraid to honestly research this.
>>2516315>In New Testament specifically, the "Jew" means "the person who follows/worships Yahweh 2"lets read this:
>The Samaritan woman said to him, “You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans)<john 4:9here, "jew" is clearly meant ethnically, in contradistinction to "samaritan" (the same as jews and gentiles being distinguished…)
you make a very weak case
>When you were saying that "Christianity is Jewish, and Christians are wannabe Jews" you were using the word "Jew" in that ancient meaningjew has only ever had one meaning; a judean.
>christians believe that their literal ancestors were Semitic people of Israel/Judeayes, this is what we're working with here. christians are literally all brothers and sisters; they are all children of jacob/israel and unbelieving hebrews are "cut off" from the family tree.
>The capitalist knows that all commodities, however scurvy they may look, or however badly they may smell, are in faith and in truth money, inwardly circumcised Jews, and what is more, a wonderful means whereby out of money to make more money.
There are working class, blue collar, productive, proletarian jews. I know because I've met a couple of them out in the world. All religion is false belief including religions that extort racial supremacy. Judaism is not a race or an ethnicity, those beliefs are simply a part of its theological doctrine. Getting rid of false beliefs is hard because when you act against them with censorship or violence, it reinforces, reifies, and rallies people with those beliefs that they are correct. A program of reeducation is necessary to eliminate false beliefs over time.
>>2516350So, yeah, Jesus' followers believe themselves to be ADOPTIVE children of Abraham though the faith in their deity(s?). That doesn't make them wannabe Jews - because, as you yourself say, the word "Jew" is only used to describe chidren of Abraham by blood, NOT the ones who were adopted. No one bar British Israelite chuds proclaims that the Christian nations literally, physically descend from Abraham.
Wanna see how Christianity would have looked like if it was really 100% Jewish? Dig up Dead Sea scrolls and take a look at Essenes.
>>2517083Here is a short summary for those not bothering to read all this slop.
>The OP, who identifies as Jewish and is from Israel, wrote a long post claiming to analyze Judaism through a Marxist framework. Other users said his arguments reflected deep internal conflict and self-blame rather than coherent political analysis. Several participants interpreted his position as a form of self-hatred or internalized antisemitism, while others treated it as a psychological issue rather than deliberate malice. The discussion split between those condemning the post as reactionary and those expressing concern for the OP’s mental health. >>2516627>the word "Jew" is only used to describe chidren of Abraham by blood, NOT the ones who were adopted.inserting yourself into the family tree of jews is the definition of "wannabe jews". what is even your point?