On the ethics of living in society

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On the ethics of living in society Anonymous 12-10-25 13:38:44 No.2518472

I know Marxism isn't about morality but whatever I find it interesting.

Does being a regular 9-5 worker in the west make you an evil person in your opinion? I can't make up my mind. I work in a job that provides social value to others (though not in a perfect way of course as I have to follow the orders of others who are more interested in making money or having an easy life) but is that outweighed by my taxes going to weapons for Israel and Ukraine? On the other hand a lot more of my taxes go to welfare so doesn't that count as morally good? But then there's also the argument that living on welfare in the west is a good thing because you're draining your imperialist state, but aren't you also relying on the honest labour of other workers?

I dunno man, shit is confusing. It doesn't help that I'm also an ethical vegetarian so my natural inclination to be pro-social with other people and treat them as basically good until proven otherwise is tempered by the fact that if they eat meat they're causing incalculable suffering to other beings. Of course I also am doing that by still eating dairy and eggs and even crop agriculture causes damage to animals and the planet (though much less). So can I really judge them? There's part of me that feels like, if I help save lives at my job helping homeless people, isn't that kind of a bad thing because they'll go on to kill animals indirectly? But the person is in front of me and the animal isn't, so I keep trying to help people because it makes me feel good.

Idk, not really sure what my question is but does anyone else ever struggle with this? Sometimes I feel like I'm a bad person because I haven't gone out and done some propaganda of the deed type thing, and that's the best way I could help other people, but then I don't want to go to prison or kill myself and make my loved ones sad.

Anonymous 12-10-25 13:46:18 No.2518478

I just focus on the goals of Fully Automated Luxury Communism and trying to find the most expedient least destructive path there

I'm at peace with myself

Anonymous 12-10-25 13:48:46 No.2518481

>>2518478
Fair, but isn't the best path that I can take as an individual to do that some kind of headline grabbing criminal act that would ruin my life?

Anonymous 12-10-25 13:51:47 No.2518484

>>2518481
No that's a waste
You're literate enough to write the essay in OP sp you're literate enough to study theory, get to it

If you feel like you really must do something join your union if you haven't already and attend the next Palestine solidarity rally in your area

Anonymous 12-10-25 14:01:02 No.2518488

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>>2518484
>You're literate enough to write the essay in OP sp you're literate enough to study theory, get to it

I guess I could… I find that kind of thing a bit dry and depressing, and I feel like if theory was that crucial then there wouldn't be so much political disagreement among people who have read the theory.

>If you feel like you really must do something join your union if you haven't already and attend the next Palestine solidarity rally in your area

That's a good idea, I should try join/start a union at my job, I've never heard anyone else talk about a union so IDK even if there is one. Plus I'm still on probation and I already have managed to create loads of enemies at my work through having my nose in other people's business I feel, so maybe they'd let me go if I started doing stuff like that. I know it's not legal to fire someone for being in a union or talking about it but they find ways. Attending rallies is a good idea, that might make me feel better. Not that I really feel that bad it's just a little uyghling thing that bothers me that I might actually be a bad person. Thanks for replying.

Anonymous 12-10-25 14:37:51 No.2518538

as rousseau says, society is inherently evil and alienating. but we must also see nature herself as inherently evil of we are to see justice in humanity.

Anonymous 12-10-25 14:48:27 No.2518545

>ethical vegetarian
HAHAHAHAHA

Anonymous 12-10-25 15:02:35 No.2518556

>>2518472
>the ethics of living in society
On this point there is no matter of ethics to discuss, since the alternative to living in a society in practically impossible.
No one human being can survive entirely self sufficiently without contact or support from other humans.
What are you going to do, live in a cave in the mountains and only consume the mushrooms that grow around your little hovel?
Even then passers-by will inform authorities and they'll do welfare checks or snatch you away back to a city, or at least donate items to you.

>ethical vegetarian
Lmao. There is no such thing.
If you drink milk you support the mass slaughter of male dairy calves for veal, and the repeated industrial milking and mass rape of dairy cows until they drop dead from exhaustion at 3-5 years old on average.
And also if you consume ovum, you support the mass slaughter of baby male chicks who are useless for producing eggs, via either gassing in chambers or being thrown alive into industrial meat grinders. Which isn't to speak of the conditions most egg laying hens are kept in.
Either accept your hypocrisy or go vegan.

Anonymous 12-10-25 18:14:52 No.2518799

>>2518545
>>2518556
I literally mentioned this hypocrisy in my post, if you read it. I would like to go vegan but my diet is already incredibly limited due to ARFID and I think I would find it even harder to not eat dairy/eggs.

As for your first point, I accept that I can't really avoid living in a society, but the alternative would be as I say POTD or maybe throw away everything and go to the third world I don't know.

[erikhoudini.com]!!0y.2JTCv0Q 12-10-25 18:20:24 No.2518807

Vegans are cringe and I strongly dislike Roch white people who think their individual choices absolve them from systems. Drive a Prius, recycle, eat vegan, die in climate collapse.

Anonymous 12-10-25 18:22:52 No.2518809

Farm animals are resources, simple as. To cull a baby chick is not cruelty as the baby chick is not even conscious of its own surroundings and the death is nearly instantaneous

Anonymous 12-10-25 18:27:47 No.2518815

Anonymous 12-10-25 18:28:45 No.2518817

>>2518809
Even in a fully (economically) communist society we will continue to advocate for veganism. The sabotage of animal farms and slaughterhouses will probably be easier under communism.

Anonymous 12-10-25 19:06:33 No.2518868

>Does being a regular 9-5 worker in the west make you an evil person in your opinion?
Yes.
>I can't make up my mind. I work in a job that provides social value to others (though not in a perfect way of course as I have to follow the orders of others who are more interested in making money or having an easy life) but is that outweighed by my taxes going to weapons for Israel and Ukraine?
You bring forth the height of selfish asinine imperialist logic. Not merely your taxes but you utter existence as an imperialist serves monopolism.
>On the other hand a lot more of my taxes go to welfare so doesn't that count as morally good? But then there's also the argument that living on welfare in the west is a good thing because
Your taxes do not feed the people
> you're draining your imperialist state, but aren't you also relying on the honest labour of other workers?
Wrong. The parasite drains the host, not itself. The parasite is your imperialist society. You are symbiotic gut flora of tapeworm and the host is the third-world.

Anonymous 12-10-25 19:19:43 No.2518878

>>2518472
You talk of "ethics of living in society," yet you try so hard to justify your imperialism. You know no ethics, morality, or society. Your ethic is that of silver forked cannibal. All you know is barbarism. But you try to question these things so you are silver fork cannibal with conscience.

Anonymous 13-10-25 06:59:34 No.2519760

>Does being a regular 9-5 worker in the west make you an evil person in your opinion?
Do you serve GOD or CAPITAL??? 🗡️🪿

You should watch this surprisingly radical direct-to-DVD movie about a demon from hell who punishes satanic capitalists who refuse to understand that humans are blessed:
<socialist '90s movie podcast: https://podtail.com/en/podcast/hit-factory-1/dark-angel-the-ascent-feat-comrade-yui/
<"Returning friend of the show Comrade Yui swings by to discuss the 1994 Full Moon direct-to-video masterwork Dark Angel: The Ascent. The story follows the exploits of a bored, beautiful young demon Veronica Iscariot (Angela Featherstone) as she defies the orders of her parents and the rules of hell to visit Earth and walk among the humans. It's not long before she realizes that humanity has forsaken its God-given gifts and descended into all manners of evil, which must be brutally punished. Written by Freeway director Matthew Bright and directed by Linda Hassani (her sole feature directorial effort), the film defies all expectations of the DTV format with an unusually rich premise, emotional depth, and style to spare.
<We begin with a discussion of the film's unique theology, offering a vision of Heaven and Hell working in concert to do the bidding of the Almighty. Then, we explore how Bright's script searingly antagonizes many of society's ills, especially those germane and topical to the mid-90s - anti-welfare rhetoric, police brutality, antisexualism. Then, we uncover the film's depthful look at the notion of fallenness, and how its characters perceive of complacency and disregard for evil as tantamount to evil itself."

> I feel like I'm a bad person because I haven't gone out and done some
"me me me" but have you tried doing any collective struggle?

>>2518809
>the baby chick is not even conscious of its own surroundings
literally you lmao, motherfucker you are being fattened up to be consumed by cannibals and you think you're never going to be the pig on the fire

Anonymous 18-10-25 12:45:18 No.2525833

>>2518878
So what else should I do? Please tell me because I honestly don't know what to do

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