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It is much harder and much more annoying to prove that a country is not a DOTP than it is to prove that it is not socialist. The easiest way, however, is to note that if real communists were to obtain state power, the very first thing they'd do is establish a new International, but this isn't the case anywhere today.

If you have to bend your neck and do a dance for a small hope that your country might become socialist if the ruling party is nice enough one day, then it isn't socialist and will never be socialist. Just a rule of thumb.

It's been awhile since I read the theory on this but aren't some signs if they: 1) have instant recall of officials 2) bureaucrats have pay of the average working man 3) they try to reduce the proletarian condition, fewer hours, better working conditions, etc. I remember someone else said a DoTP will be capitalist so it might still have to do capitalist things like break strikes, but I dunno how much people agree with that. I think it was Cutrone?

What good is an internationale or universalism at all? It’s been proven that Europeans and their settler descendants are fully reactionary and anti socialist regardless of their social class

>>2518712
>the very first thing they'd do is establish a new International
What if:
1) The new state is weak and needs diplomatic room.
2) Other communist parties with state power veto it for whatever reason (see this list, recursively)
3) There's domestic coalition distputes that would arise from it
4) Uncertainty over if capitalism is in enough of a crisis yet for an Internationale or if they should keep in a defense phase

>>2518976
>2) bureaucrats have pay of the average working man 3) they try to reduce the proletarian condition, fewer hours, better working conditions, etc.
this is indistinguishable from social democracy

>a DoTP will be capitalist so it might still have to do capitalist things like break strikes

holy shit what

>>2518987
XD

>>2519050
Wtf
There are social democrats who have done such a thing

Tell me more, I thought they were utterly useless, when and where did this social democracy occur so I can examine it?

Regarding immediate programs in the DotP I'll quote some random posts that sounded plausible enough, what do you gents think:

>You can find this on dialogue with Stalin, the party program would essentially be reducing working hours, increasing wages, increasing job safety, investment in consumer products, and reducing investment in luxuries. In the economic analysis of capital vol 2, the proletariat would seek more and more products from department 2A and reduce reinvestment into department 1, while suppressing department 2b, during this a transition would occur into non commodity production.


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>Look at how water fountains work right now, or the electrical/postal service, except imagine instead of moneyed taxes/stamps there is just a labor obligation quota to access the service. With internet this would mean the abolition of copyrights making all software freely distributed, and centralized onto a single unitary platform. For services such as hospitals and the fire department they would be provided free of charge and the labor voucher system implemented for the service workers. All of these measures could be implemented in industrial countries fairly rapidly. There’s not gonna be a magic switch where all of industry becomes communist overnight, it’s gonna be introduced fastest in the branches most ripe for it, while the rest of the economy undergoes forced concentration and centralization, probably in some transitional form between state capitalism and lower stage communism.


>>2519050
>holy shit what

See Youtube link to the side. Cutrone says the DotP will be capitalist and pretty similar to what we have now, the difference will be political. Funny thing is that sounds like the prelude to China apologia, but Cutrone doesn't think China is socialist or on the socialist road.

>There are social democrats who have done such a thing


Yes it's funny that in old sociast writing a lot of emphasis was put on reduction of the working day, even some people said communism is free time and nothing else (hyperbole), but the only countries that seem to do it are European welfare states. Bernie or maybe it was the DSA called for a 4 day working week, if I remember right. Well even Keynes thought we'd be working way less in the future. So much for that. I dunno what Chinese working hours are like nowadays, I heard the state tried to discourage 996 but I dunno how that went.

>>2519382
Sorry I guess I'm dumb the embedded Cutrone timestamp didn't work? It's at 1:34:30.

https://youtu.be/6ZKs3QvzrPA?si=B-wO693UTClFL3fa&t=5670

>>2519382
1dime is an alcoholic pseud who isn't even marxist, but describes himself as "pluralist" and has clown guests on his podcasts.

>>2519456
I'm not familiar with him I just watched it because of Cutrone.

>>2519456
It's quite amusing, he's so internet brained, he'll have a normie guest on and stop them to interject whining about some phantom 'tankie' or whatever he lost an argument to on twitter. it's all so deranged.

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>>2518712
>Dictatorship of the proletariat
>Proletariat has zero powe over anything and are treated as slaves by the state run by party elites
Many such cases.

>>2519456
>pluralist
>wikipedias that word
>belief that there should be diverse and competing centres of power in society
So like a crude form of multipolarista. Is he popular here?



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