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Robotics has catapulted Beijing into a dominant position in many industries

“It’s the most humbling thing I’ve ever seen,” said Ford’s chief executive about his recent trip to China.

After visiting a string of factories, Jim Farley was left astonished by the technical innovations being packed into Chinese cars – from self-driving software to facial recognition.

“Their cost and the quality of their vehicles is far superior to what I see in the West,” Farley warned in July.

“We are in a global competition with China, and it’s not just EVs. And if we lose this, we do not have a future at Ford.”

The car industry boss is not the only Western executive to have returned shaken following a visit to the Far East.

Andrew Forrest, the Australian billionaire behind mining giant Fortescue – which is investing massively in green energy – says his trips to China convinced him to abandon his company’s attempts to manufacture electric vehicle powertrains in-house.

“I can take you to factories [in China] now, where you’ll basically be alongside a big conveyor and the machines come out of the floor and begin to assemble parts,” he says.

“And you’re walking alongside this conveyor, and after about 800, 900 metres, a truck drives out. There are no people – everything is robotic.”

Other executives describe vast, “dark factories” where robots do so much of the work alone that there is no need to even leave the lights on for humans.

“We visited a dark factory producing some astronomical number of mobile phones,” recalls Greg Jackson, the boss of British energy supplier Octopus.

“The process was so heavily automated that there were no workers on the manufacturing side, just a small number who were there to ensure the plant was working

“You get this sense of a change, where China’s competitiveness has gone from being about government subsidies and low wages to a tremendous number of highly skilled, educated engineers who are innovating like mad.”

High-tech transformation
It’s also a far cry from the cheap “Made in China” goods that many Westerners have associated with the “workshop of the world” in the past, underscoring how much cash has been poured into upgrading China’s industrial processes.

Far from being focused on low-quality products, China is now viewed as a leader in rapidly-growing, high-value technologies such as electric vehicles (EVs), batteries, solar panels, wind turbines, drones and advanced robotics.

A big part of that transformation is down to the country’s focus on automation – which has been encouraged by the ruling communist government and heavily supported with state subsidies, grants and local government policies.

Figures recently released by the International Federation of Robotics (IFR) show this has led to a dramatic and high-tech transformation of China’s industrial base over the past 10 years.

Between 2014 and 2024, the number of industrial robots deployed in the country rocketed from 189,000 to more than two million.

These can typically include everything from robot arms used for welding, assembly and loading, spider robots used for high-speed “pick and place” movements and overhead gantry robots for precision tasks such as 3D printing.

The overall number of robots added in China last year was 295,000, compared to 27,000 in Germany, 34,000 in the US and just 2,500 in the UK.

And while it would be easy to put this disparity down to population size alone, China also blows its western rivals out of the water when it comes to robot density. It now boasts 567 robots for every 10,000 manufacturing workers, compared to 449 for Germany, 307 for the US and 104 in the UK.

More automation is seen by many as good for productivity, the all-important measure of how much an economy gets out of what it puts in.

Many analysts also note that China’s growing share of worldwide manufacturing gives it increasing leverage over global supply chains – and would make it a formidable opponent in a war.

But alongside Beijing’s stated desire to dominate industries of the future, Rian Whitton, an expert at Bismarck Analysis, says increased automation is also an attempt to mitigate the impact of the country’s ageing population.

“China has quite a notable demographic problem but its manufacturing is, generally, quite labour-intensive,” he says.

“So in a pre-emptive fashion, they want to automate it as much as possible, not because they expect they’ll be able to get higher margins – that is usually the idea in the West – but to compensate for this population decline and to get a competitive advantage.”

As part of its so-called Made in China programme, local authorities have offered large tax breaks that reimburse firms for a fifth of their spending on industrial robots. This is under a policy known as “jiqi huanren” – which translates to “replacing humans with machines”.

Western manufacturers in trouble
But this technology, coupled with the vast output of Chinese manufacturers, spells serious trouble for traditional Western brands.

The most visible sign of this upheaval is on our roads, where Chinese-made electric and hybrid cars are taking a growing share of sales.

In Britain, Shenzhen-based BYD multiplied its September sales by a factor of 10 this year – overtaking far more established brands such as Mini, Renault and Land Rover.

But unlike the “tragic” cars once mocked by Jeremy Clarkson and his colleagues on Top Gear, BYD’s recent efforts have been praised for both their low prices and their well-appointed interiors.

“The most striking thing about their automotive industry is the pace and the speed with which it operates,” says Mike Hawes, the chief executive of the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT).

“They can develop and execute models in probably half of the time most European car makers can.”

Sander Tordoir, the chief economist at the Centre for European Reform, a think tank, says Europe and Britain must try to boost their own deployment of robotics if they want to keep up with the pace of innovation in China – while also keeping their manufacturing industries alive.

“Robotics, if deployed well, can lift the productivity of your economy greatly. And if China is extremely good at it, then we should try to catch up because, like China, a lot of Europe is ageing,” he says.

“The second reason to care is because the robotics sector is high value and has spillovers for the military industrial sector, so the fact that China may be ahead is also significant from a security standpoint.

“I think the debate is about how to use industrial policy to build competitive markets, and that will inevitably include some support to offset China’s distortions and advantages, which are not all market-driven.”

Britain is falling behind
The risk, however, is that “we don’t create the new, or we trap workers in the old instead of trying to leap forward,” Tordoir warns, pointing to the tendency of politicians to prevent ageing steel and car factories from closing instead of encouraging the creation of newer, high-tech jobs for workers to move to.

But Britain’s record on robots is poor and it has struggled to add more than a few thousand per year, despite already having less than half as many as France.

Last year, UK robot additions fell by 35pc

Whitton, at Bismarck Analysis, argues that Britain, which has lagged other countries in productivity growth, should focus on trying to improve its competitiveness by incentivising the adoption of more robotics as well as machine tools.

He says this would have a bigger impact than past tax-breaks designed to boost research and development spending and plant machinery adoption.

“It doesn’t appear that dilly dallying around tax changes is doing a hell of a lot,” says Whitton.

“But I see the Government throwing billions of pounds each year at completely speculative rubbish like green hydrogen or to fulfil renewable [energy] obligations contracts and I just think, ‘Well, why not five billion a year in grants for capital equipment?

“That would arguably get a bigger bang for our buck than a lot of the energy-related industrial policies we pursue.”

Counter-intuitively, Whitton says countries which had more automation during the first “China shock” of the 2000s – which flooded the world with cheap goods – managed to hold on to a greater share of industrial jobs.

“People talk a lot about how automation will lead to job losses,” he adds. “But actually, the job losses are going to be disproportionately in the countries that don’t automate.”

In other words, failing to modernise will almost certainly lead to more dark factories in the West. But the kind where no work at all is happening.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/10/12/why-western-executives-visit-china-coming-back-terrified/

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Chyna

>>2519785
The proles will keep being fed 'China bad! China backwards and poor IP thieves!' while the bourg quietly reshuffle their investments.

>>2519785
>[…] automation is also an attempt to mitigate the impact of the country’s ageing population.
<stupid chinks. we as eurocuck master race just do nothing and let the aged population starve. CHECKMATE COMMIES

>>2519854
They litteraly say Europe has the same issue and should catch up

China is proof that the Soviets could have easily outcompeted the West if they wanted do

Xi cant stop winning even he did something.

Communism button status?

>>2519890
just wait 25 more years bro

>>2519893
Don't give false hope, the schedule is 25 to 50 years depending on how quickly the rate of profit falls

>>2519933
Stop blackpilling.

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>>2519888
Agreed based trips.
The mystery is why the soviets were so fucking demoralized and depressed into falling for western bullshit. Not like,
>hey we can do that here,
but like,
<let's give up everything and become like them.
I never really understood what happened to their brains. Maybe it was too much alcohol idk but something seriously wrong happened in the 60's to 80's that made them just give up. And looking at soviet movies and culture in that era, you don't get the feel that everything is lost and irreparable. I get yakovlev and gorby are retards but I still want to understand what the fuck happened at the top of the soviet leadership. How can fucking yeltsin go to a store in texas and completely lose his head? Like any other person would just copy that at home but noooo you have to give up everything. I guess him blowing up a grenade in his hand and becoming a raging alcoholic was the problem.

>>2519957
Anon stop trying to understand history through the actions and mentalities of 'great' men.

>>2519957
>live your entire life as a government bureaucrat with the salary of a high school teacher
or
>use your power within the system to overturn it and live the decadent but luxurious life of an oligarch
eventually someone is going to pick the second option and the problem goes back to when lenin first sabotaged the soviets by making them an useless performance rather than a practical government body and then using that ineffectiveness as an excuse to dismantle and replace most of them with the more centralized and bureaucratic soviet government

>>2519987
Don't you think that maybe Lenin was right since Russians are a corrupt people who would rather sell out than fight? In other words, Russia as a people are destined to be retarded slaves because they can't handle freedom?(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

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So you built an army of robots, nice play Mr Ping… but I'm afraid it will only make the tendency of your rate of profit to fall faster.

>>2520059
They had a party meeting where they criticized excess competition because it resulted in too little profits and according to them this resulted in slow wage growth and less innovation. Their solution was to promote "quality innovation" through promoting consolidation, allowing less competitive companies to fail, and reducing those specific subsidies/grants that was causing too much competition by companies that were only surviving because of these subsidies/grants.

>>2520006
nazi tier logic

How does this help Chinese workers? China doesn’t have a welfare state so where did all these workers displaced by robotics go?

>>2519852
the "IP thieves" line was always hilarious when you realized that a lot of the "Innovation" in the west was chinese exchange students. They would invent things while getting educated here, those things would get copyrighted by corporations, but then the exchange students would go home and reinvent the same thing in the mother country, and then america would cry "IP thief! IP thief!"

this is the long term consequence of brain drain. You can't keep secrets when the people inventing all your secrets come from rival nations.

>>2520067
China will implement UBI soon. That is phase one of socialism. Most Western countries will implement UBI as well. They are setting the groundwork for this by first starting a world war and culling most of the excess human population. Then the survivors will get to live in the UBI post scarcity world. The best praxis you can do in the next 20 years is simply to survive WW3

>>2520110
China will never implement UBI, they are more hostile to the idea of giving people money that aren’t working than Americans are

>>2520067
philosophy factories

>>2520117
>china is more hostile to welfare than americans
i get that you're anti dengoid or whatever but maybe you go too far when you claim that the rapacious capitalist empire with 800 bases which loots and murders the whole world is less hostile to welfare than china

>>2520006
Based jannies for banning this Trot subhuman

>>2520145
No seriously look it up, some Chinese localities have experimented with UBI and it was very unpopular there, they see it as rewarding laziness

>>2520145
Also I’m not hostile to modern China

>>2520117
Good. Everyone (who is body-able and grown up) should be working. Even if it's only 2 hours per day while pursuing higher education. Not to mention all of the problems UBI has beyond the moral scope.

>>2520064
so they didn't address job losses due to increasing automation, then
Very communisty

>>2520145
it is more a matter of being able to subsidize those things than any cultural values, people talk about murican individualism making x impossible but as most of us know essentially being the sole world power after ww2 let the proles be bought off easily.

China's definitely overtaking the US at this point but stands to inherit a much less stable position than the US did. You don't have to be a "CCP COLLAPSE IN 5 DAYS? MY CHINESE WIFE EXPLAINS" 'tuber to see that the economy's stagnated a lot since the boom of the 2000s/2010s, even if it's in a better position than the west

The US neoliberal economy was designed for short-term growth, not sustainability. Tech innovation is stagnating because the US has gutted its education sector and destroyed its middle class population and is regressing into the sort of systemic anti-intellectualism that is typical of unbalanced authoritarian societies. Instead of devoting resources to long-term sustainability endeavors like education, public health, renewable energy, etc. the US pours its resources into exploiting non-renewable resources and military spending to profit from geopolitical conflict and into elaborate corporate welfare programs for private monopolies who make huge risky investments and rely on the government to subsidize their losses. The US is going to fall behind as the leader in tech innovation and without that edge the US really has nothing to offer the rest of the world anymore.

China are well aware of this and have thus refactored their entire state-run economy toward the central goal of bridging the technological gap between China and the rest of the world. But China's highly repressive authoritarian society may end up acting as a barrier to future progress, causing brain drain as more highly educated workers leave the country to find better paying work in wealthier more democratic societies. If China ends up moving toward a capitalist social democracy model while investing in sustainable, practical, valuable technological research they could very well surpass the US and Europe and Japan as the leading tech innovator in the world. But as the political climate stands now under the current regime, it seems more likely that China will slide further into authoritarianism as their increasingly educated and underpaid workforce become more restless and difficult to control and the government responds accordingly.


>>2520201
>the economy's stagnated a lot
no it didnt

>>2520204
>repressive authoritarian society
thats the USA, china is way less repressive

>barrier to future progress

delusional

>wealthier more democratic societies

china is on the road to becoming wealthier, and they have always been more democratic than the west
and people leave for education and economic opportunities, not because they love liberalism and the fake bourgeois "democracy"

>If China ends up moving toward a capitalist social democracy

lets hope not, it would make sure they crash and burn

>they could very well surpass the US and Europe and Japan as the leading tech innovator in the world

they already have moron

>underpaid workforce

according to whom? they own their houses, and their remuneration keep climbing

now fuck off lib

>>2519888
what a stupid fucking post

>>2519890
>they don't realize that only full automation will make communism possible

>>2520266
>china is on the road to becoming wealthier,

No, China is investing heavily in their tech sector to try to become wealthier, but throwing billions of dollars into education and tech research is not enough to become the leading tech superpower, you also need a free and open democratic society with a thriving middle class or else all your educated workforce will leave to go live somewhere nicer and your trillion dollar tech investment plan will become a shit sandwich.

I mean the funny thing about Western Execs and China is they want to have their cake and eat it too. It was the same in the USSR. Executives would go there, entrepreneurs, businessmen, a whole class of talented managers, and they'd complain about how many demands the state placed on them and how more "hands on" it was compared to, say, Nazi Germany (or The United States)

But of course the thing with China today is it proves that hands-on approach worked. Its worth it. But execs either don't see the big picture, or still imagine there being some kind of special "alternative" they can take. I think that's what the AGI push ultimately is, it's a desperate gamble for what amounts to a Macguffin. They can't stand a planned economy, but they think any kind of tangible AGI would essentially "be a planned economy without being a planned economy". It's really amazing, it'd be like monarchies and aristocracy witnessing the rise of liberalism and trying to retreat into literal occultism and magic as a way of staving it off.
>"If we just do the right spells, say the right prayers, make the right sacrifices and draw the right circles, we'll have our class positions protected forever."

And I think you can see how stupid this idea is, with how Elon Musk has been fighting a long war against his own AI. Because on one hand he's all in on the tech as the "answer to everything", he says he wants it to be accurate and truth-telling and all that shit… but on the other hand, he can't stand it saying he's wrong. He can't fucking handle his own AI bot dismissing his particular irrational beliefs! So now he's gone for maybe the worst of all possible choices and designed it to check every statement it makes against himself so it can never contradict him… which makes the entire AI push pointless. Seriously, what is the point of having some supposedly omniscient machine-god if you're going to say "Well actually that's wrong." Why make any decisions based on what that supercomputer says if you just assume every decision you make is correct?

And that's the fundamental irrationality at the heart of the western capitalist class. They want a magic solution. They want a holy grail. Scientists have tried in the past to have computers come up with novel solutions to things like traffic and transportation, but they just keep reinventing the train! Well that certainly frustrates capitalists who don't actually want a solution to traffic so much as they want some magic "third option", "fix traffic without making us less car dependent". They're pursuing something fundamentally insane and irrational.

So Execs come up with these piecemeal solutions: well lets just reinstitute the 14 hour work day to "beat China", let's go all in on AI, let's strip our whole country for parts and use it for stock buybacks, but none of it really "works" because the solution means addressing class. It means fundamentally gripping these execs by the throat and telling them "No more".

Just remember, these guys aren't super geniuses. They're a fat ass who has to lose 200 pounds or die, and rather than exercise they're throwing all their hope on a magic pill and "lose fat while you sleep" tier horseshit.

>>2520340

China's command economy was a failure and things didn't improve until they started enacting neoliberal reforms, stop rewriting history you mutant.

>>2520316
>you also need a free and open democratic society with a thriving middle class or else all your educated workforce will leave to go live somewhere nicer
You mean the US and Europe? I'm not sure if they will be considered open democratic societies for long, maybe chinese researches wont be leaving there in the future and will preffer to stay in China.

>>2520364

I don't think the US will remain on top for much longer, as to whether Europe or China becomes the new leading tech superpower is anyone's guess. I personally hope it will be China, Europeans have already caused enough chaos being in charge of the world, now it's China's turn.

>>2520363
China is succeeding because of its state's centralized power structure, not in spite of it. Look at the modern U.S. to see what neoliberalism gets you.

>>2520382

Nope, the People's Republic of China began as an authoritarian state with a fully centralized command economy and it failed, then in the 1970s became an authoritarian state with a crony capitalist economy, i.e. capitalism for the rich, communism for everyone else. Ever since then China's economic development has boomed but its wealth gap has widened tremendously, all the wealth they are generating goes to the state and some rich tech billionaire CEOs whilst the working population still earn like $10k USD a year on average.

you vill have your job replaced by ze AI and you vill like it

gotta hand it to Nick Land: neo-China does arrive from the future

>>2520402
>Write cope shit
>not understand how inflation works

>>2520316
>free and open democratic society
>thriving middle class
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK

>>2520435
that guy must have come from reddit or the year 1991

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>>2520402
Under Xi Jinping absolute poverty and income inequality have both decreased. The reforms did worsen inequality, but the ossification of capital was strategically advantageous in industrialization. Without it China would at best be a larger DPRK right now, a poor country with outsized agriculture and military sectors gripped by a siege socialism mentality.

>>2520402
You need to go back to reddit.

>>2519888
The USSR outcompeted Europe during the 30s and were to outcompete America. You're saying nonsense.
>>2519957
>The mystery is why the soviets were so fucking demoralized and depressed into falling for western bullshit
>I never really understood what happened to their brains.
>something seriously wrong happened in the 60's to 80's that made them just give up.
See the issue is you're trying to understand from a voluntarist perspective, like people 'choose' to feel so and so. What happened in the USSR was a counterrevolution and political stagnation.

Stalin had plans to have free elections and for the CPSU to actually not necessarily have all political hegemony after post-WW2 reconstruction but then the Khrushchevite coup d'etat happened (this did not change the mode of production), and the political stagnation stemming from the CPSU hegemony and a couple of years down the line no possibility to articulate the political consciousness of the new young socialist man but only to repeat dogma and slogans in your political life makes the mass of the young think the grass is greener elsewhere.

Elsewhere, in party ranks, it opens up the possiblity of just goodhearted idiots coming to power and ruining the fun for everyone. It's not great man theory to say that anyone else but Gorbachev would've probably not fucked up as much as he did, but in any case, some Gorbachev would've come up eventually, and some thing had to get fucked. It was inevitable, but then again, everything in history is inevitable once it happens.

>>2520457 (me)
Forgot (I am high hehe) - the counterrevolution part is also very obvious. Vid related. Tianamen square soviet style. But oops the color revolution won.

>>2520457
>>2520464
CPSU was already dealing with splits in class between intelligensia and manual laborers.

>>2520445

>The reforms did worsen inequality, but


LOL I've heard that one before. That's what they said about Reaganomics.

Stop pretending to be a Stalinist, stop trying to fabricate a radicalized false identity, stop being a reactionary and trying to "out-leftist" everyone, stop being 16 years old, stop being a typical vain image-obsessed Westerner


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