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This thread is for discussion of the 2021 Peruvian Election. Looks like it's going to be a close one, and either one could win this. The Peruvian Left has gone far, however, and has united under a pretty based candidate. Let's watch
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i haven't been keeping up. how's it looking?
glowies and ultras will both tell you that the only thing holding back the revolution is not letting the CIA win elections
>>299263
they are already heavily targeted by US imperialism and are now covering their asses
>>15253Lol
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso There's always some shitty made-up excuse with these opportunist fucks.sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso
>>15251I agree with the latter and strongly disagree with the former. But especially the former is completely politically irrelevant now and I feel no sympathy for hyper-sectarian Maoist dogmatists.
Castillo is a textbook opportunist at best and a crypto-fascist LARPing as red at worst.
>Inb4 "based anti-idpol"You clowns look like people, who support hyper-reactionary social views, just to "own" the imaginary liberal crowd. The last time I checked, libs could care less about Castillo – let alone denounce his social views
socialismSocialism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Apure_clashesGUYS TRUST ME, THIS TIME THE SOCIAL DEMOCRAT WILL PLAY NICE WITH THE COMMUNISTS I PROMISE
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso One wants a comfy space away from the liberals who turned fujimoristas and gets welcomed by some firstworldist glowing path.
Meh, could be worse
>>15261No shit.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15257Fuck it, one struggle against /leftypol/ liberalism.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15257There's nothing "dogmatic" in upholding Gonzalo who like Stalin, is seen as a hero of humanity. Revolutions are violent and I support any Marxist-Leninist revolutions, "excesses" are only justified after the fact and are only called that because they failed. Nobody cares about the "excesses" in the October Revolution or Chinese revolution except for liberals.
>>15259BHAHAHAHA
This is the communist persecution in Vuvuzela? Some clashes with the dissident FARC? You truly are firsworldist
Fuck, this makes me miss the chavista anon
>>15261Chavismo is discredited in the broadest sense, you can't imagine the amount of "WE WILL BE VUVUZELA" shit one has to witness.
Holy hell, they even bringed Leopoldo Lopez to talk about "Chavismo is incoming!"
>>15266You're a joke. Keep coping and tailing bourgeois candidates until the seas boil over.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15268Dont you have some dogs to nail to signposts?
gonzaloites don't have to worry about VZ being couped or invaded because they're bourgeois, so why not let the masses die
>>15261oof
>>15262now you care about chavismo lol
>>15269The real CIA glowies are the ones who support counter-revolutionary liberal-democratic candidates and constantly attack and barrage revolutionaries. Oh I'm laughing. What a joke /leftypol/ is.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15261What’s wrong with nationalizing industry? It’s simply a higher form of monopoly. And a lot of the conflict comes from competition with private sectors but the nationalized industries can go full competition against private ones.
>>15272Anarchy of production but
But the workers are exploited by the state
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15271Chairman Gonzalo is not going to fuck you no matter how hard you simp for him
>>15273>Anarchy of production but>But the workers are exploited by the stateThese two are completely contradictary and I will recommend you reread Engels Socialism Utopian and Scientific
Nationalzied Industries are progressive and should be defended against neoliberalism need to privatize them
>>15275Ok glowie
>>15276Lmao, capitalism has stopped being progressive since the last century.
For the fucking liar senderista, about the lies he's sperging against Maduro, saying he's killing communists:
https://www.laiguana.tv/articulos/906893-farc-ep-deslindarse-caso-apure/
>Ejércitos de países vecinos no son objetivos militares: FARC-EP se deslinda de hechos en Apure<Armies of neighboring countries are not military objectives: FARC-EP demarcates from events in Apure>In a video (5:36 minutes) published on RRSS, Márquez appears along with other guerrillas fixing a position. He dissociated himself from the attack and recalled that for the rebel group "the armed struggle is in Colombian territory against an unjust regime that has oppressed us for 200 years." (referencing Colombia)>FARC-EP Second Marquetalia, clarified that the armies of neighboring countries are not military objectives. Iván Márquez, a regular spokesperson, read a statement and defined the events in #Apure as "unfortunate armed incidents between Colombian irregulars and the FANB in Venezuela."The videos are in the link.
The guy is a CIA operative.
chavismoChavismo>>15280ni Maduro ni las FARC son comunistas, ambos son narcos de mierda
>>15277>calls me a glowie>posts the astroturfed samsung girlThinka dinka doo
>>15277>since the last century.Make it two or three centuries.
socialismSocialism >>15280>Guys they said it was unfortunate so they're not counter-revolutionarySTOP
COPING
>>15281Basado y rojopastillado.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15271Oh sure, that’s why the media and every other institution literally don’t want him. Cause he’s actually supported by the feds
>>15268A gonzaloite talking about jokes. What are you doing here fella, don't you have a people's war to defrost?
>>15286Only thing getting defrosted is his frozen dinner
>>15285Who cares bahaha the majority of the media represent the comprador class, and? There are plenty that want a Castillo victory. It's like, the media condemns fascism are we to believe it isn't a bourgeois ideology either? For fuck's sake anon, use your brain.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso Can mods perma-ban the glowing-path LARPer? I want to actually have a nuanced discussion about some potential flaws of Castillo without it being de-railed by a 12 year old edgelord.
>>15281Si, en tu cabeza imaginaria donde ganaste una revolución que ha resistido el asedio del imperio de los U.S.
Sobre todo que casi el 90% el tráfico de la droga que parte de colombia va por el pacífico, desde Colombia a los U.S. sin pasar por Venezuela.
Deja de chupar penes.
chavismoChavismo >>15285No, westen media is just paranoid about anything using red aesthetics.
socialismSocialism >>15289I'm behind 7 proxies.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15261>The same demoralization article posted in the other threadSince that came out Castillo reaffirmed his commitment to nationalizations and to a new constitutional referendum.
sandinistaSandinista >>15294I had no idea it was posted in the other thread, I just saw the new thread and saw it posted somewhere else and figured I'd drop it here. If that's true then that's a relief.
>>15284>Basado y rojopastillado.Qué es entonces, comunistas o señores de la droga?
Decídete.
chavismoChavismo >>15294Source?
socialismSocialism >>15295Reuters is not new to this shit: they tried to pull it even in Bolivia after the elections, hoping for Arce to do a Lenin Moreno. It failed cause he is restarting state led industrialization.
sandinistaSandinista >>15297¿La FARC? Revisonistas de mierda, han luchado por décadas sin agenda coherente.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15288Ah, again showing how this poster doesn't know shit about peruvian media
>The media doesn't support Castillo>The media slanders him and the party as proxies from the glowing path<Who cares about the media right?>There are plenty of people wanting a Castillo victory>The countryside WILL vote in favour of him>The proletariat will vote for him<NONONO YOU MUST FOLLOW CHAIRMAN GARBANZOFor fuck sake, this is your brain on sectarianism.
>>15298If you read into the other thread there should be multiple sources for it
sandinistaSandinista >>15294Do you have some sources for that and whatever local communists think of this development?
I do hope the masses and communist parties can use Castillo as a tool to push for creating better conditions for a revolution. Maybe this can turn into Chavismo Venezuela circumstances?
When Castillo wins, we should still be advocating for more organizing and creating dual power in the government. Perhaps a push to free Guzman from prison? I dont know what demands should be included for I do not know the material problems with Peru but this could be a good start for a better movement in Latin america that represents a development and perhaps succession of Socialism in the 21st Century (which Venezuela is the only member standing in that movement even in its degraded form)
>>15293Oh god. Dude we know your a petty-booj suburbanite westerner who doesn't actually give a shit about leftism, also we can all easily see that you're a /po/yp who looked up "list of communist movements" on Wikipedia three weeks ago and picked the edgiest-sounding one. So please, kindly fuck off before you keep embarrassing yourself, and maybe do something off the internet that actually makes you happy!
Best wishes, anon.
>>15301Use your brain.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15302Then just link it again!
socialismSocialism >>15305Cree lo que quieras, gringo. Eres un veneno en nuestro movimiento.
>>15300Según tú Maduro estaba matando comunistas, gente de las FARC en Apure. Entonces Maduro es bueno porque mata revisionistas o simplemente vienes acá a ser un ultra porque sí?
O simplemente no tienes ni puta idea de lo que está pasando en Apure y vienes a decir que ahí hay un Rojava (tm) y que Estados Unidos debe dar apoyo a los grupos comunistas que están en Apure que no son ni Maduristas/Chavistas ni FARC?
Vamos, dilo.
chavismoChavismo >>15306I would kindly to use yours too insted.
>>299382>nuestroCual? El que esta muerto hace 30 años? Volvemos al principio?
>>299382>>15308…
Vamos bien SPposter, posteando con o sin banderas, vamos bien
>>15303<"Choice" between an openly rightoid western puppet and a potential crypto-fash LARPing as redI don't see a lesser evil in this.
socialismSocialism >>15311>SoypostingChico, ya se te acabo los insutlos que tienes que andar ya rascando el fondo del barril? Jajajaja
>>15309A un burgués le da igual, no conocen una diferencia entre revisionistas o no. Seamos honestos, cualquiera que vean como detrimento a su poder son enemigo.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15310Mi bandera se me va por la proxy jaja
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15288I know who wants a Castillo victory. The rural peasantry of Peru
>>15316Yo no hablo de lo que opina un burgués, hablo de lo que tú opinas. Andas mintiendo flagrantemente diciendo que Maduro mata comunistas
¿qué evidencias tienes?
Ya el ministerio de comunicación de venezuela hizo pública las entrevistas a las localidades donde esas fuerzas, ellos comentan, los sometieron por la fuerza, colocaron minas personales y vivían bajo el miedo de su sometimiento.
¿CUÁLES SON TUS PRUEBAS?
chavismoChavismo >>15317I meant
link the source, you fucking dipshit!socialismSocialism >>15320Sure. The larger peasantry who constitute the bureaucrat imperialist class.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15318That's the bolshevik flag, in a bolshevik hat.
chavismoChavismo >>15323>peasants are actually bureaucrat imperialistsholy fuck
>>15316>No quiero decir, por lo que simplemente me escudo en como el burgues lo ve.My god
>>15323Looks like it's ultratime fellas.
>>15321>Andas mintiendo flagrantemente diciendo que Maduro mata comunistas.No fue mentira, el mismo artículo admite que hubo confrontamiente entre la FARC y la militar venezolana. Lo único que dijeron fue que era un evento desafortunado, como si eso no dijeran siempre.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15323Ok dude, looking back on it, it seems like you're not a westerner LARPer, considering that you speak Spanish, and you actually have some good points, but can you please stop being an edgelord and speak in English, I'd actually like to have a discussion with you considering you seem more knowledgeable than me.
>>15325Please read *some* Peruvian history before opening your dumbass mouth. The large peasants whose families moved to the city and held government positions to protect their land have the most representation in the Andes. Dumb gringo fuck.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15324Uneducated idiot
socialismSocialism >>15312how is castillo fash?
for wanting to send back the gusanos? for not being 100% behind the fags?
silence yourself kraut
>>15321Pedir pruebas a un gonzaloidiota es pedir pruebas al olmo. El estupido ultra seguira tirando mierda con ventilador esperando no quedar como un bocotas solamente.
>>15327No, el artículo que puse DICE QUE LAS FARC SE DESLINDAN de ese grupo, es decir, que NO ERA LA LÍNEA IDEOLÓGICA de las FARC.
Y su postura es clara: La lucha es en COLOMBIA.
¿Desde cuándo la lucha de un grupo guerrillero que ni controla el estado en el que su posición fundacional (incluso está en su nombre) va atacar otro estado, sino es porque UN BURGUÉS o un capital los está dirigiendo?
De nuevo, disfruta tu ban.
chavismoChavismo Uh… any news on the actual elections?
>>15333Obvio fue contra la FARC revolucionaria que se separó de los electorales, no van a abrir fuego a sus aliados…
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>299417> The large peasants whose families moved to the city and held government positions to protect their land have the most representation in the Andes.Ah yes, how can I forget that when I mentioned, peasant families I refered to peasant families and not urban families.
I can't imagine how a person of a "large peasant" class gets more than one vote.
>>15335None, the news flash is in 6 hours. The fast counting result probably tomorrow and the full result probably thursday.
>>15337They don't hence why Castillo got 11% of the vote LOL. Also their descendants still run their land in the actual countryside.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15336No, imbécil, el grupo que se deslindó de la atacada por las FANB ES LA FACCIÓN ARMADA NO ELECTORALISTA.
MÁRQUEZ ESTÁ ARMADO, PERO NO ESTÄ DE ACUERDO CON ATACAR VENEZUELA PORQUE NO ES SU LUCHA.
Maduro no "está matando comunistas".
Deja de inventar imbecilidades.
chavismoChavismo >>15332Y así como inventa por un lado, sin traer pruebas, cómo será lo que inventará sobre Castillo.
No vivo allá para saber, pero acá no puede hablar ni puto pío el desgraciado ultra.
chavismoChavismo >>15339De esa misma hablo, bobo, tranquilito. Claro que van a atacar los revolucionarios verdaderos en lugar de la "FARC" oficial, me debes estar malinterpretando al propósito.
Estas llorando por el nombre, pero la situación sigue que atacaron comunistas en lucha armada.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15331<Castillo scapegoats Venezuelan migrants<Calls them criminals<Wants to deport them all as soon as possible<Regular reactionary tendencies like homophobia, racism etc.Also, I meant that he is potentially a crypto-fash (like Strasserism for example). It is also possible, he just wants to gain political points from rightoids (it didn't work), since he may be just a filthy opportunist
I hope he is just the latter. Either way, his economic plans are also rubbish too, therefore not even critical support from me.
socialismSocialism >>15341Esos no son los electoralistas dios mioooo mira como cargan armassssss
los electoralistas abandonaron las armas y esta siendo diezmados por que JUSTAMENTE NO TIENEN ARMAS.
lol cínico.
chavismoChavismo oh no the poor cuban migrants in miami ;(
>>15343The real PCP newspaper is
http://banderaroja.org/ and they have denounced him too.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15344>los electoralistas abandonaron las armas y esta siendo diezmados por que JUSTAMENTE NO TIENEN ARMAS.>lol cínico.Así es… en Colombia.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15338They do control, they don'tcontrol, they control the land but not the votes, they have power but not, what is your point
Is like you are only talking what is in your imagination. Merging hacendado with "large peasant".
>>15342Well, thanks, calling it strasserism is too much, as well as calling it facism
Are we going to argue about how prolgbt was the USSR,China or the SP? he is just as conservative as the regional leftist in power, akin to Evo.
>>15343Castillo archieved left unity from all the parties and movements involved in electoralism, petty fights for power will be argued later. In contrast, glowing path remnants just call for blank votes, as always (not even mentioning the killing in Ene, with the pamphlet calling for the "cleansing of social parasites, gays, lesbians, drunkards, etc".
>>15346and shining path velasco despite maoist china being close with him
*attacked velasco
>>15349Entonces, no eran comunistas, ¿o eran comunistas imbéciles? lol
Ni siquiera quiero saber por qué pones a Jabba the Vaush, pero bueno.
chavismoChavismo >>15350I'm saying the large peasants maybe might want Castillo in response to someone, you said they don't control the vote, I agreed they don't and hence why he still only got 11%. What's not to understand?
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15353Porque tienen la misma capacidad intelectual.
Pero para responder a tu pregunta, son "comunistas", si lo vemos de la perspectiva del gobierno venezolano, pero siguen siendo revisionistas que no valen nada. Sin embargo es obvio por qué el gobierno querrá terminar con ellos.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15342having reactionary tendencies might be a sign of crypto-fash in central europe, but not in poor countries or the third world, as in those cases it is just mirroring the mindset of the local working class/peasants. He isnt pandering to rightoids, he is pandering to the average poor/working/rural/indigenous… person in Peru.
Hell, Castillo is a teacher from bumfuck nowhere in Peru, I wouldnt be surprised if he isnt even pretending and is deeply uncomfortable with the Idea of LGBT himself.
Most socialist movements in poor countries weren't paragons of progressive values, just take figures like Che, Stalin, Mao, Ho Chi Minh.
>>15351Don't you know he was a fascist? A fascist who proclaims agrarian reform? Who let's and finances coops? Who nationalizes the oil? Who gets close to the USSR and is friend with Castro?
A classic example of fascism you see
>>15355Glowie
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15354>large peasants maybe might wantthis is one of those moments where the petite bourgeoisie farmers align with the peasants. Would've thought a maoist could understand that since that's what half of maoism is about
>>15350The comparison to Strasserism was not meant literally. I don't see anti-Semitism in his rhetoric. It is just similar that he LARPs as red, while speaking like the darkest reaction.
And no, the USSR, SP and China were not fascist – the latter at least not yet.
socialismSocialism >>15360Uh no, the large peasants were isolated and liquidated if needed by both the Chinese and Peruvian New Democratic revolutions. The middle peasantry could usually be convinced to the side of the lower peasantry, and the latter were the revolutionary force behind the party's army.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15356Dios mío, el estatus intelectual de tu pozo en donde te revuelcas no tiene justificación alguna. No vuelvas hasta que tu movimiento no tenga una victoria revolucionaria. Cuando puedas tener una revolución, y sea exitosa y haya traído prosperidad, ven a darme lecturas sobre que puede o no "valer nada".
chavismoChavismo >>15363Kek te aviso, al momento la revolución agraria en Brasil está en buen camino ;)
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15364Sí, mientras deja de inventar mentiras sobre Maduro matando comunistas, pedazo de basura.
chavismoChavismo >>15362If you believe they just rounded up and shot all the farm owners in China and handed all land over to the peasants, you are an idiot. What is new democracy? It's the alignment of the small landowner with the peasant against imperialism.
>>15365Cry for me tailist revisionist scum
>>15366Keyword, SMALL. You seem to be in agreement with me.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15357>Most socialist movements in poor countries weren't paragons of progressive values, just take figures like Che, Stalin, Mao, Ho Chi Minh.I know that, but they were still more progressive than the regimes they replaced. I'm not mad, when they are indifferent to things like the LGBTQ question, but outright denouncing them as a major societal problem is very problematic in my eyes. It's not far from policies, which want to "heal" from homosexual "mental illness" and such. Cuba at least managed to fix this after some time. I don't know about NK and Vietnam right now.
socialismSocialism >>15367>Cry for me tailist revisionist scum>revisionist scum>calls revisionist the largest military communist guerrilla in the whole South American region, with tens of thousands of active members in Colombia, when in Peru they never went above 3k members.COPE.
chavismoChavismo >>15369The party should be quality over quantity. Everyone should know this.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15355"other communists" are missing. Please add that
socialismSocialism >>15367The one in the freezer calls agaisnt the one that has at least power and fights imperialism everyday to not collapse to reaction.
Amazing
>>15368Yeah, that's why the Lgbt collective end up supporting him, the other side is the farright christian sects and that just will make their lives misserable-
>>1537030 years anon, 30 years
>>15367>Keyword, SMALLthe landowners backing Castillo ARE small. There aren't any nationwide landlords, or even multinationals, uniting behind this guy from the middle of nowhere. It's the local mountain rondero with running water supporting him.
>>15370>quality over quantityah, yes, wouldn't it be because your ideology is unwanted, perhaps?
lol the quality attracts quantity, without support, how you sustain the democratized labor forces you have and stop capitalism backlash?
chavismoChavismo >>15373This is just not true and you need to give me anything that isn't anecdotal evidence.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15374>PCP's army reached 10k they were armed with sticks
>>15374>Also the PCP's army reached 10k members what the fuck are you saying?Shinning path =/= Partido Comunista del Peru from a loooooong time ago.
chavismoChavismo >>15376find me le evil kulak then
>>15374As I said; hyper-sectarian dogmatists
socialismSocialism >>15378I'm talking about the "Shining Path", yes.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15382Today's SP is less than 1k members, lmao. If your reactionary shit were big, cities in Peru would be in flames all these years with your acts.
chavismoChavismo >>15384I don't give a shit
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15370the masses have priority, purist
>Catillo is supported by small owning class
<NO HE'S SUPPORTED BY THE BIG CORN FLOUR CONSUMING RICH LAND OWNERS
I don't think there's even enough rich people outside of Lima for that to be true
>>15387These are not mutually exclusive brainlet
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15386Lmao, witness the power of mass line
>>15386Aw damn, you hear that guys, he doesn't give a fuck. Guess we better call it in, I sure feel BTFO as a cringe opportunist libtard kulak
Anons peruanos ya votaron? Han habido peleas o conflictos?
>>15370You definitely didn’t pick quality
>>15372>Yeah, that's why the Lgbt collective end up supporting himYeah, I need a source or evidence on that one. From how Castillo talks, I'm not conviced he would treat them any better than regular rightoids. I also need to stress that this is not the only issue with Castillo. Shitty economic plans, anti-Vuvuzuelan migrant hysteria, racism etc.
socialismSocialism >>15395ooga booga shut up queer
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15395>>298386To them is not perfect, but of course there is division because as you point out, he is conservative on those issues.
>>15391I hope that anime girl is killed in a violent sendero orchestrated massacre
>>15397No I'm with him
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso Nothing will ever convince me that Maoists are not cultists. They engage in someone the most craziest thinking and activities which is so devoid of reality. The turn the working class and peasantry into abstract categories devoid of their real nature and then idolize it and religiously worship it. It’s so funny.
>>15395>anti-Vuvuzuelan migrant hysteriaI think people on this board are misinterpreting what Castillo meant by this. As far as I'm aware isn't he doing this in particular for the Venezuelan gov? After all most Venezuelan immigrants are rightwing as fuck, the PSUV probably appreciates a lot that a country is refusing to take in the gusanos.
>>15395And so what if he doesn't? What is so terrible about treating fags like the bourgeois degenerate filth they are? Perhaps it's because you're one of them? Well here's a tip, sodomy and smearing shit on your dick are not fundamental aspects of socialism.
>>15257kys westernoid radlib
>>15383Timestamp?
I'm not watching one hour of propaganda.
>>15406I don't have it I watched it a long time ago
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15274ok then leave the thread
>>299573
Shut up cuntsendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso
>>15401My biggest problem with maoists is that they tend to talk from a position of power they haven't held in decades. Maybe if they were more grounded in reality it would be easier to interact with them but they tend to be batshit insane. Also the fact that they're extremely sectarian, I try to be as accepting of leftunity (or marxist unity) as much as possible but it's difficult if these fags are behaving in the complete opposite manner.
>>15413ok gloria steinham
Are you plesen btw
>>299583
Kill yourselfsendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso
>>15416Read the PCP's thoughts on homos first
>>15395
>Yeah, I need a source or evidence on that onehttps://twitter.com/OVargas52/status/1401227014422601733took me one minute of googling
>racismcome on now
>>15412Gonzaloism is a cult
A fucking based one
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15420So the PCP duped some whitebread Canadian firsties into being useful idiots. That doesn't mean that the PCP doesn't rightly recognize, as all real communist groups do, that homosexuality is an abomination
>>15422No, you just a cartoonish and racist impression of people in the Global South.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15413cope all you want but peruvian trans activists support castillo
>>15425This is true, but only under a false impression of him being a "lesser evil".
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15425>>15426You're both wrong. My main gripe is that he doesn't want to build socialism. It is just the /pol/yp's obsession to always hyper-focus on trans people specifically.
socialismSocialism >>299617
>morals are inherent to a race
>you're the racist!
>>15428Nah I'm with you
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15430You're still a leftcop tho
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15428you are the only retard who keeps bringing up idpol no one was talking about that before
>>15431>leftcopOkay, that is a new one to me.
socialismSocialism >>15433What was the name of this site?
I will propose a new theory:
A group of senderistas will unequivocally end up any discussion turning them into a fight about homosexuality, homophobia, first-world degeneracy, sex, so on, and so on.
>>15436PredictIt
technocracyTechnocracy >>15438It's because they're a twisted sex cult OP
Any exit polls?
>>15442No
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >peru elections thread
<99% of its content is an argue with a western gonzaloite and not peru-related things
Can't you just ban that guy?
>>15445It's not just me.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15449Nothingburger, she'll get thrown out for abuse of power under the Fujimori Regime
technocracyTechnocracy >>15450Pretty sure that's a "he" lol.
>>15395>>15408The sheer level of cringe in this thread
>>15454This is what a federal agent looks like
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15413Based image. I'm saving it.
>>15455Yeah yeah, you show up and wreck shit and then when anyone stands up to you, you cry "you're a fed." I'm onto you, I know how you guys are, and I think you're a bitch.
>>15437>Even against a fake leftist, the CIA just can't resist. LMAOThis js a QAnon level of political analysis.
Glowies out in full force today
>>15433>hey guys i believe in democracy but let me lock up any opposing political party in jail for "hate speech" and then hold a poll>yeah>that's democracyLmao based random commenter
>>15261you saved my life, penny avatarfag <3
>>15464Basado el compañero, no se si es un hamster o que wea es pero basado
So, are maoist just reactionary? A lot like the terrorist in Russia during the civil war, who Lenin despised because they thought terrorism is the only goal.ak-47AK-47
>>15466Which terrorists are you referring to?
>>15467Narodniks
ak-47AK-47 Who won perufaggots?
The first exit poll just came in.
It's over bros, we lost. We were too cocky.
>>15471 source cause i know you're lying
>>15471now the glowing pathista will say this is good
>>15474>>15471Good, the opportunist bureaucrat lost. As a true communist I can only be rejoiced.
left_communismLeft Communism >>15475I know you're a trolling pussy but it is funny how these 'real communists' hate the left liberals more than the right libs
>>15474 there's still like three hours before voting time stops. i don´t know where the fuck they got those numbers
>>15477Idk seems like a significant gap
>>15477Yep, we can go back to being doomers and avidly respond to low quality bait.
>>15481Or develop self-discipline by balancing reading theory with organizing and making propaganda.
>>15474Hope the country goes to utter shit and the liberal faggots voting the jap get their lifes shit up completely.
>>15484>>15483>>15480>>15477who says its over yet?
pan-africanismPan-Africanism >>15485Some fag implying so.
You saying it's not yet reliable?
>>15474The rural votes are the ones that can change the game in favor for Castillo.
>>15486we must wait and see. Nothing has come forward yet just some faggot who posted a twitter screenshot
pan-africanismPan-Africanism >>15488If they steal the rural votes, Castillo is fucked.
GIVE ALL ENERGY TO CASTILLO
INSHALLAH INSHALLAH INSHALLAH INSHALLAH BISMILLAH ALLAHUAKBAR
>>15494FUCK OFF YOU LITERAL FUCKING DEMORALIZING GLOWFAGGOT. HOLY SHIT YOU FUCKING FEARMONGERING ATTENTION WHORE
bros
>>15494GTFO
>>15495>>15497I NEED MOAR
pan-africanismPan-Africanism >>15491hey man do you have one of those cool revolutions yet bro we could really use it
>>300000
SENDING OVER 3000 ENERGY POINTS.
Rolling for Castillo
CASTILLO WILL WIN RED LATINAMERICA INCOMING
>>15512>>300002Gonzaloites BTFO!!!
>>15512>>155100wned lol
piratePirate Manifesting a totally legal and legitamite Fujimori slam dunkarmchairArmchair
Just came from voting
>>15512Nice
people still retweeting exit polls from 1300… cant find any new ones
God I'm literally shaking rn
>>15534Keep fearmongering glowuyghur.
ALLAH IS GREAT CASTILLO WILL WINislamic_communismIslamic Communism
>>15535Why would a glowie try to make us scared? We're going to know the results in two days anyways.
>>15533Exit polls are when you ask people who they voted for as they leave the voting site. Usually somewhat accurate
People's war has to be organized
God I'm literally shaking rn
Jeez I think keiko won, the TV people are all happy and giggly..
Keiko 50.3
Castillo 49.7
it's over… we lost…
CASTILLO WON
>>15544TIGHT TIGHT TIGHT
islamic_communismIslamic Communism Keiko 50.1
Castillo 49.9
>>155443% margin of error
Quick count with 1% margin in 4 hours
c-castillobros???
>>15554It's within the margin of error surely
>trusting this bourgeois election, to be at all fair right now.
I'm not surprised at all yes the counting isn't done but if this hold's with the media black out and fear mongering I'm again wouldn't be surprised.
>>155543% margin error
In 2016 they failed
maybe the Castillo voters were too chad to respond to exit polls
>>15554>>15553Demoralize elsewhere glowfaggot
>>15555Oh for sure. I’m hopeful but idk bros
>>15558Well, American pollsters
>>15560You can't jinks elections this mysticism isn't dialectical!
Is there any where to live track the results?
>>15564The poll is live in channel 4 America TV. I think about doing a cytube but nah, too much effort
https://youtu.be/bo2iYV2UOpMIf you rewind like 11 minutes you can watch the exit poll (boca de urna)
what the fuck why is caballo running for election in peru?
Fujimori is going to privatize EVERYTHING.
She'll start by privatizing water
>>15566Because he hates your freedom and want you dead, of course! You should vote for the
right side instead, Peru anons.
naziNazi >>15574Does Peru have mail voting?
democrapDemocrap Right now the peruvian left is united, even the lgtbq idpol people support castillo, even feminists.
Maybe the left will finally organize for real now that keiko will literally start to hunt down 'communists' like his father did
>>15577Don't forget the courts that are investigating her. I bet they have been checking how to get political assylum in Sweden or Uruguay
>>15574Idk i re-read this with different interpretations each time. We just need to wait longer for the final results.
Does voting work or not in bourge run states? In the US it would seem it doesnt for major issues but I guess south america had some success in getting socialists elected, or is this not true?
>>15579>Does voting work or not in bourge run states? In the US it would seem it doesnt for major issues but I guess south america had some success in getting socialists elected, or is this not true?Reform and revolution both work in Third World countries, whereas neither works in First World countries. This fact will make /leftypol/ seethe though.
tankieTankie >>15579It may seem like it's more common but it only seems that way because South America doesn't have that many countries. All things considered in the Pink Tide the only people who got elected which could maybe be considered socialists (better described as radical socdems with an emphasis on anti-imperialism) were Chavez and Evo, maybe Correa. Since then Venezuela and Bolivia managed to solidify their popularity among the people so they could keep getting reelected, in the case of Venezuela Chavez until 2013 but the party has stayed in power, and in Bolivia Evo being president for almost 15 years straight. But other than that, it's not that common outside of surges in popularity of socdems around the continent.
>>15580I agree with the first half, but what makes you say revolution won't work in the first world? Because it would get stomped before it happens?
I AM LITERALLY SEETHING IRL BY THE WAY >:(((We can take it to QTDDTOT if this question will derail.
democratic_socialismDemocratic Socialism Why do the candidates have two running mates?
>>15582First World revolutions have never been able to get the level of popular support needed to be successful. Personally I think it's because "you have nothing to lose but your chains" doesn't ring true when you have a comfy life, even if you're ultimately being exploited.
tankieTankie >>15581In the original pink wave the others (who as others have pointed out, the so called pink wave had a lot of heads and thoughts) who lost elections or where couped (soft or in one case an army one)
>Paraguay (congress coup to Lugo)>Brazil (congress coup to Dilma)>Chile (Bachelet)>Uruguay (Pepe Mujica and Tabare Vasquez)>Argentina (Cristina loses to Macri)>Nicaragua (the crisis of 2017)>El Salvador (The FMNL loses to Bukele)>>15582If the french army menaces JVPITER imagine how they would act against Melechon, or the menaces that were directed towards Corbyn. The other side is that when they are elected in the first world they are elected in watered down platforms that doesn't solve the economic roots of the problem (Someone could post IN THE OTHER SUPPOSED THREAD the image of the betrayals of Euro Socdems to socialsim)
>>15583I didn't understand it well but this is the ballotage or second round.
>>15585Fujis argue that the head of the Electoral Jury was proCastillo, and journos (allegedly ProCastillo) argued that the head of the National Office of Elections was proKeiko.
I'm waiting for the fast count at least.
>>15585Sleeper agents are ready bros
>>15586Bachelet doesn't count, she's a neolib
How often do they update the count peruanons? It's been like an hour of counting and they still have it as 50,3% Keiko 49,7%
>>15584Good point. I think until a socialist nation is seen as far better rather than an oppressive undemocratic dictatorship enemy and/or 3rd world poophole, there won't be much motivation to risk our secure contentness for it.
>>15590That is the exit poll, the official one or the fast count hasn't been released yet.
This is what I got
>>15590Official count isn't out yet
>>15584That would be because of imperialism. First world countries can get by having service industry workers that can be sent home during covid because the goods they consume come so cheaply from exploited countries.
That's why increasingly I am seeing the important of countries like peru socializing.
>>15575That monstrosity only happens in the U.S. in this side of the hemisphere.
>>15592Shit Lima looks too grim. I would move the power out of there if I was Castillo or in one year I'd get couped.
>>15592Am I right in assuming Fujimori is winning in the white and Europeanized mestizo regions while Castillo is winning in the indigenous and indigenous-mestizo regions?
tankieTankie >>15597I do not like putting etnic background to class first but yeah
Bros ..
>>15599It's pretty much what Mariategui wrote 100 years ago.
>Collaboration with the bourgeoisie and even many feudal elements in the anti-imperialist struggle in China are explicable in terms of race and national culture that are not relevant for us. A Chinese nobleman or bourgeois feels himself Chinese to the core. He matches the white man's contempt for his stratified and decrepit culture with his own contempt and pride in his millennia-long tradition. Anti-imperialism can therefore find support in such sentiments and in a sense of Chinese nationalism. Circumstances are not the same in Indo America. The native aristocracy and bourgeoisie feel no solidarity with the people in possessing a common history and culture. In Peru, the white aristocrat and bourgeois scorn the popular and the national. They consider themselves white above all else. […] As long as the imperialists are able to "manage" the sentiments and formalities of these states' national sovereignty and are not forced to resort to armed intervention or military occupation, they can definitively count on the collaboration of their bourgeoisies. While they may depend upon the imperialist economy, these countries, or rather their bourgeoisies, consider themselves as much the masters of their own fate as Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, and the other "dependent states" of Europe.https://www.marxists.org/archive/mariateg/works/1929-ai.htm >>15598>>15599>>15602Well well well, it looks like the "IdPol" (i.e. recognizing that whites are far more reactionary than other groups in general) wins again.
tankieTankie Peruvian civil war calling it now.
>>15554Oof it’s over bros we lost
Third Worldism is a meme this has proven that thirdie proles are just as brainwashed as firstie ones.
I hope Keiko privatises every one of their natural resources to Tesla and all the people that vooted for her are worked to death in mines so Elon can floss dance in frot of his HECKIN ROCKETeurekaEureka
>>15604Holy shit I thought I was the only person that recognized this
This election could get really fucked, especially if Fujimori does glowie ops
>>15606Reddit moment
tankieTankie >>15588Based. If Castillo attempts to coup the government Ill concede that he isnt pussy footing around. The people should support him in this attempt
>>15574Peru is filled with fuckin anime simps and Japanese simps, that’s why Fuji is winning.
>>15609Castillo is going to siege the capital
>>15610Maybe ur right, i have the feeling that half the voters of Keiko are simps that find her attractive.
>>15606This. After this I hope nothing but brutal destruction of both the degenerate indios and the white castizo population. May they destroy each other in the neoliberal era.
>>15616Only because Castillo is “conservative” but only nominally and not in any considerable way.
>>15617>tumblr filenamecastillo nazbols need to go back with the rest of bunkerfags
>>15604>>15607Who's volunteering?
>>15616 (me)
disregard I was wrong and retarded
>>15623Damn Maduro got moves
>>15622Went and looked and yeah they simping for her and going wow based dad lol.
>>15626Can’t simp for a women until I’ve seen her feet
>>15626peruvian standards
>>15625It’s literally Japanese fever im telling you. They think she’ll bring Japanese “properness” and “social cohesion” to Peru because they are all anime fags pedos and Japanese simps.
>>15629Nice Zionist funded Armament poltard.
>>15634I want to ask, are you even a communist?
>>15573>steals your voteIt's called a hustle, sweetheart!
>>15634>'fiscal recesion'What are you even trying to say? Go away fujiglowie
>>15637here the state is totally corrupt and uselees, private mines and quarries give more to the surrounding people than this fuckin mess, so the logical conclusion if you are a leftists or somenoe who "cares" about people is to end the state, but comunism is about ideology not people
eurekaEureka >>15573So you white uyghurs want an sjw in power?
>>15639>tthe bunker-Rat
eurekaEureka >>15640You sound like a BLM cucked bitch.
>>15644Bunkerrat
eurekaEureka >>15640You sound like a massive theorylet, even worse than the average poster here
>>15645Just go away you have no idea what you are talking about. It's embarrassing and sad
leftypol and pol both support the most lukewarm of socdems for epic social conservatism
you are not above idpol, castillo will doom the lefts future in peru but """"converted""" polyps don't care
>>15648>castillo will doom the lefts future in perurolls eyes
>>15648lol shut up faggot
>>15648why do you lie about who /pol/ supports
>>15634Nobody cares about that. I want Castillo to nationalize or at least put the squeeze on multinational companies involved in resource extraction.
>>15597No, this is more the way cities work. It is easier to have a small shop and believe somehow you are a capitalist, and at the same time you are someone whose last name is Quapetec.
In big cities, if they are also a port, the capital influx is higher, thus, creates a class of those who are closer to the services, money printer, and the benefits of a higher capital influx that truly believe being better than those pesky countrymen. That's the middle class, the petite bourgeoisie, and their brainwashed sub-servants.
In the cities, those who are revolutionary are in the favelas, los barrios, because they see the injustice each day closely.
I can guarantee that Lima results shown are completely related to the Venezuelan influx where they have been brainwashing the Peruvian middle class, and if the media tells you, comparing word by word, even in a phrase of 15 words, that Castillo is Chavez, they would eat that garbage afraid of what their Venezuelans "panas" would tell them, even that Venezuelans migrants give 0 fucks about any country they are at because they left their own.
>>15653>Nobody cares about that.leftypol does, passionately even
>>15648I thought /pol/tards loved the Fujimoris because they're le epic BASED Asians bringing civilization to the savages
>>15648>you are not above idpol, castillo will doom the lefts future in peru but """"converted""" polyps don't carenow all conections with MRTA, Shinning path and Narcoterrorists, this is the last nail in the coffin of the dying Peruvian left -wing
>>15646if fidel and maduro really cared about theri people they would stop their stupid system and embrace free market policies instead of prolonging a 10 year humanitarian crisis, late stage socialism/comunism (like lenin) is reached in only 6 years, muh late stage capitalism took 600 years and will return
eurekaEureka >>15616>opposing x because irrational people support itso you accept irrationality but another layer added
transhumanismTranshumanism >>15648< Keiko Fujimori wins> starts reign of SLAY KWEEN terror backed by the US> kills all the leftists in power> establishes another 30 year dictatorship> Anon on mongolian basket-weaving forum argues that this is the left winningRETARD ALERTTTTTT
>>15659Reported for anti-communism
>>15659Cuba literally just made 3 covid vaccines and is vaccinating its population and will be sending vaccines to the entire third world. Meanwhile, neoliberal peru has the highest per-capita death rate from covid in the world.
MUH HUMANITARIAN CRISIS
>>15662at least this faggot is openly anticommunist and not faking it like most of this board
>>15664How do you "fake" anti-communis, retard?
>>15663Cuba has a scabies crisis and most doctors are used as slave labour for pennies, cuba survives thanks to GUSANOS and prostitution
eurekaEureka >>15659Lmao at this imbecilic fujiturd spamming this inane crap here
>>15665i am refering to faking them being communists, if you weren't retarded and read in context that would've been obvious to you
but i need toconsider what board i'm on, obviously you can't fucking read
>>15670Remain eternally seething rightoid subhuman
>>15665"Im a communist, but TRUE communism has never been tried"
>>15669He met with a bunch of lgtbq people yesterday and they were chill and actually supported castillo
this thread turned into pure garbage
>>15671keep bitching, illiterate pseud
>>15659Comrade you do a little trollin.
>>15669go sign up and die for your retarded inbred Kurdish retards in Rojava faggot
>>15677Seethe faggot rightoid
>>15678It's a retarded fujiturn, report and move on
>>15659Ah, yes, we must tolerate the U.S. sanctioning Venezuela and Cuba so they cannot develop socialism. It's like "the stronger and the better must reign" except if someone poses an alternative. In that case, crush them.
And it is somehow Fidel's and Maduro's fault.
COPE.
>>15669you are a liar and a snake
>>15666>calls patriotic Cubans as gusano Nice job revealing yourself as a Fidelista
>>15675lgbtq are more often affected by poverty, they don't support him but his empty false promises as they'd support the majority of them, when the two options on lgbtq questions are shit and this is the difference, then that is what they pick, but it is not a matter of personal liking
alternatively they could have openly attacked him for the gain of you to sperg out over and nothing else
>>15673The post is correctly reported for reactionary shit.
>>15680cope harder fascist
>>15666>gusanos>patrioticlmao nice one.
>>15687Have sex you inbred criminal, your kind will be exterminated cocksucking faggot whore
Comrades we must support US intervention immediately it is the only way to true communism let's be honest.transhumanismTranshumanism
Who’s winning?
>>15689Se nota la diferencia.
No problem, it's easy to see the difference. The un-intellectual mental gymnastic they execute is easy to spot.
chavismoChavismo Unfortunately, because the leftists in Chile have disappointed me, I have no choice but to become a Pinochet supporter.
>>15669Did I imply Castillo was based and redarmy-pilled? No, he's no morales or castro, but he's clearly clearly cleary the better option. Stop being retarded. If Fujimori wins, it's literally fucking over for Peru.
Guys Rosa failed, KPD and SPD got destroyed, and the DDR fell, guess I'm forced to be a Nazi now
>>15695>>15697Lol, basically half the posters here
>>15695This. I really really hope to see Fuji brutalize her nation and the indigenous population by wiping out their numbers completely.
>>15640>and quarries give more to the surrounding people than this fuckin mess>he doesn't know about the chevron and exxo mobile case in the U.S. where a whistleblower revealed:>Chevron and exxon mobile were contaminating Ecuador fields, on purpose because was cheaper>the two companies filed a lawsuit because the whistleblower had access to "sensitive" information>not a single attorney want to take the case>the judge looked into private firms VIOLATING THE DUE PROCESS>the law firm that took the case is related to the oil companies, is a clear violation of conflict of interests.>the case is ongoing and waiting for a verdict but it is clear the judge wants him jailed, so even if he appeals, he will be in jail, and the system will slow down the lawfare to put him for months or years before retaking the case.COPE, faggot.
>>15697Bros I know that Fujimori basically just wants to whore out her nation to America and keep up shitty Neolib policies that are going to keep annihilating everything, but Castillo isn't waving a gay flag and prefers Tankies
It's over for Communism
Quick count results should be out any moment
>>15701It’s all gig economy, privatization, pods, and forever culture wars from now on. Forget winning progressive health reform or even lower rent, it’s over bros. Fascism is the only thing left.
Anons peruanos que es conteo rapido? A que se refieren con eso?
>>15706It's the first ballot to be received, mostly from the nearest and electronic votes.
Means quick or rapid count.
If the conteo rapido results are impossible to change, it is considered victory without taking the rest of the votes.
>>15654Hehe, I knew someone putting so invested in doomingposting was a Fuji.
Looks like we got 2 fujis lol The doomer one and Eurekaflag
>>15669>KillsHum, I don't think someone could be this stupid.
FAST COUNT 100%PC:50.1%KF:49.8%Holy shit, the technical tie is real hahahaha
>>15708Nooooooooo Fuji my Japanese waifu!!!!! She has to win desu!!!11
>>15676First the gonzaloite, then the LGBT focused anon, and now a visit from 2 fujis. I wanted something chill and got this.
At least I can't complained about being bored.
The technical tie is real lol. The role of the personero (idk how it is said in english, the guy who monitors the vote counting in one station in behalf of one party) role will be of extremely importance.
>>15698Don't atribute conducts from us with polacks anon, there is a rule about that I think.
>>15713Sorry about that, I meant that there's a bunch of glowies ITT which i spissing me off
>>15265There is a difference between wanton brutality and focused, organized terror. TERRORISM is ANTITHETICAL to Leninist strategy and before folks say that this is people's war, there is doing people's war good, and people's war fucking shitty to the point of not bothering to consider them as a meaningful vehicle of revolutionary aspirations. Cultish sects have no place in 21st century movement for communism. Get with the times or stay irrelevant for the decades to come.
lenin_capLenin Cap Did Sensei defeat the gringo puppet yet?
FUJITURDBROS ???? PEDRO IS FUCKING… WINNING??????
fujiturdbros im literaly shaking
Are the any signs of manipulation out there? Usually when it's 50:50 it's a super easy job for the glowies. I've seen some Peruvians posting that there is some weird shit going on.
>>15719The fast count gives Castillo 0.4% of advantage.
The technical tie mantains.
Now is the labour of the party and the personeros to hold the votes.
I wouldn't get too cocky, but oh well. If I had bet on Castillo at the beggining I would have a little fortune.
>>15724There's a video out there of fujimori supporters doing ballot stuffing
>>15716Why the hell is their symbol a pencil?
>>15723If he wins nothing will really happen. What has the party of Morales done in Bolivia so far?
>>15730corruption investigations clearing out the CIA
>>15730Bolivia had the best growth on average in the region for like a decade under Evo, lmao what the fuck are you talking about?
>>15709At this rate, we just have to wait three more exit polls and then Castello wins!
>>15730>What has the party of Morales done in Bolivia so far?Fastest growing economy in Latin America.
>>15730Not boil babies and kill dogs and LGBT people
SENDING ENERGY
SENDING ENERGY
SENDING ENERGYchinaChina
>>15725>The technical tie mantains.Newfag here for da happenings, is there a threshold of 1% or something needed to win?
sending thoughts & prayers to Pedro :]
>>15737Just need to have more votes in theory. But if it's this close they can't declare a probable winner without counting more. Also, our guy has a higher chance of getting it stolen by glowies if its close
>>15727The pencil is the first thing a kid uses to learn. It simbolises it, specially in the poor communities where getting a pencil and notebooks are sacrifices from the family,
There is nothing more important than education.
>>15728There are not even elites in Lima lol, I don't have the numbers but I bet that more than 2/3s of the city live in the cliff of poverty
>>15730>Nationalizing the resources>Giving the people one of the fastest growing economies of latam>Supporting antiimperialist countries all over the worldTrot moment, not withouth reason but trot nontheless
>>15737You can win with 1 vote (in a true tie the tradition is a cointoss) but that means that the margin of error can fuck with any of the two.
>>15736My electrical company already supplies all their energy needs.
We can sort this out like gentlemen, or, get into some good old-fashioned gangster shit.
porkyPorky fujiturdbros i am shidding and fardding
>>15727Castillo is a schoolteacher and the party is big on public education for poor people. Picture from Cuba! Castillo in practice is probably going to govern more like Evo Morales though I think, he talks about nationalizations one second, but in reality I think it'll probably be like renegotiating contracts with mining firms so a greater share of the profits go to the Peruvian state sector.
It makes sense from a strictly economic point of view. Copper prices are at a record high and Peru is a huge copper exporter.
>>15512>CASTILLO WILL WIN RED LATINAMERICA INCOMINGFucking incredible.
lenin_capLenin Cap >>15732I’m asking because no one is talking about it, there is no thread that’s anchored on Bolivia so I immediately assume nothing is happening.
SPAM PENCIS TO SUPPORT CASTILLO, BABIES AND DOGS TO SAY FUCK YOU TO GONZALO, AND GREEN APPLES BECAUSE FUJI APPLES ARE RED
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>>15251>gonzalo did nothing wrongwhat did he do right lol
left_communismLeft Communism >>15746Listen, this might surprise you, but we don't have goldfish memories, despite rightoids intentions to erase facts or speeches told, like Pastrana, after he accused fujimorism of doing terrible things, he now supports keiko "to protect the freedums (tm)" or Llosa being communist, now sharing the bed with draconian Spanish authorities.
Someone who speaks Spanish, what are the gusanos at r/Peru saying? I'd love to mine some salt
>>15752she's kind of ugly tbh
>>15753Probably the same anticommunist bullshit you can find anywhere, isn't worth anyone time.
>>15754I'd say she's a 3 out of 10 for her age group, but a 3/10 Asian is like a 5/10 for all other ethnicities
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>>15753>r/PeruA common trend:
Allegedly some persons with hundreds of "cedulas" (gov ids, similar to social security number) apparently going to vote for Pero Libre, Castillo's party. But that's the media accusation, not a single video from the captured guy. Seems more like a false-flag to accuse Castillo of fraud and create a fake narrative.
And the morons are eating the b8.
>>15758What’s a 10/10 Asian for you?
>>15762Hum, depends in if the rice is just white rice or Green rice with chicken. In the last case it could be considered a double (a combo of foods vendors sell in markets, mixing ceviche, the said green rice and Salsa a la Huancaina)
Visit Peru! (Now there are no turists in the inka ruins lol)
>>15762It looks nasty but I assure you that shit is pretty damn good
>>15765>>15766thank you perubros - I was too quick to judge
>>15753They are painfully centrist. There are some dumb fucks calling people to buy dollars and euros because "the price will skyrocket now"
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15768shut up shining turd
>>15769Brother that’s a Caucasian.
>>15749✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️✏️
>>15769my brain must be permanently fried and turned asexual because I'm not feeling shit
>>15769I will beat you with a stick for calling her a 10/10
>>15769Bro come on this chick hardly looks asian
>>15769That HAS to be a doll bro wtf
technocracyTechnocracy >>15780Westaboo bimbo (as in bimbo fetish)
>>15782will he pardon guz?
>>15782One year less in jail is one year less in kail. The second one is a banger
>>15786No. It's too unpopular and if he doesn't prove he is diying (terminally ill) he can't ask for a pardon.
>>15769Sorry i'm not into girls dying of starvation
>>15291>glowzalosayy lmao
>>15728death to the middle ground
>>15749post of the year all year every year
Sort of unrelated, but even if this never happens, would you guys pardon and release Gonzalo? I know most people here don't like Gonzaloites, but wouldn't solidarity triumph over ideology?
>>15786If he let's the American woman who worked with the MRTA out, it'll be magical.
>>15789>>15789>post of the year all year every yearWatch the 300k get in this same thread.
>>15791I think they let her out a few years ago and she's back in the U.S.
Lori Berenson
>>15790This guy's organization killed and tortured other communists because of "revisionism", fuck solidarity.
>>15790Wouldn't he try to undermine you as soon as you pardoned him
>>15796HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Thanks anon
>>15790Extend his sentence for fracturing and demonizing communism in Peru to hell
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15799>FlagWhat did he mean by this?
ANOTHER FUCKING SOCIALIST ELECTION AND STILL NO MEMES
>>15795If he's too old I think he wouldn't even be able to do much. Best potential outcome would be to free him and leave him in an eldes' home where he's taken care of 24/7. I know that's basically a low security prison but I think it would be better than leaving him in jail until he dies.
>>15803Yeah nah leave him in there anyways
>>15802I don't have mememagic anon, but these anons has it
>>15748>>15796 >>15800Glowies are inconsistent.
>>15748Socialists taking back the pencil pill.
>>15800I'm starting my own shining path movement, based exclusively on the wizard of oz. Also fucking around on a peru thread
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15811It's a crime to be bored in this country.
>>15813I left FB a long time ago so I don't have access to those.
The Padrinos Magicos episode about it gets mined a lot.
>>15809These fuckers really just named a district Mother of God
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15813LMAO the pucca one
Todays 'official results' just cover the voting centers closer to the ONPE computing servers.
It will cover mostly Lima first then as time goes on it will bring results from all over the country. If Keiko doesnt have a BIG advantage this time, it's over for her as Castillo dominates pretty much all of Peru outside of Lima and a couple of gusano provinces
>>15811I think it is because the Incan roots have some sort of proud force among them, who knows.
They wrote the Planctus Indium Christianorum, which is basically a protoindependentist dissertation made by Incans asking to the catholic church from the Spaniards for their wrongdoing saying to the church it was anti-christian what spaniards were doing to them.
>>15821*Indorum, corrector sucks.
>>15816Yeah that's pretty weird now that I think about it, who
is God's mother?
>>15816A department (province)
Most places that doesn't sound spanish enough have a translation in Quechua, plus there is "the freedom" and "Saint Martn" (in honor to a black monk who did miracles in the colony).
Some examples of the quechua ones:
>AyacuchoLand of the dead
>ApurimacLaughing lord (mister)
>ArequipaHere we stay/loud trumpet
I don't know quechua myself so I can't explain more.
>>15821Many thanks anon, many thanks.
>>15823the virigin Mary according to the catholic Church-
>>15823They are their own parents, they conceived themself through hermaphroditic self-fertilization.
If Gonzalo didn't try to start a violent revolution with like a couple thousand people he would be based
>>15827He was a cultist not a communist.
>>15811Tell me more about Fujimori and co. What specifically do they do?
>>15829Not without a million more people
>>15813Sure and those are great, but /leftypol/'s got nothin'!
>>15512>>15792holy crap lois
>>15796HOLY CRAP LOIS like that one time I was elected president of Peru
and was couped soon afterwards>>15813noice
>>15811Yeah Peru is such an interesting country, it pisses me off that here in Chile peruvians are so looked down upon
>>15837thank you anon
edit: wow 20 (you)s thanks so much guys
>>15832I knew this shit was sus hahahaha
First inform from the ONPE at the 42.03%
>Fujimori: 52.905%
>Castillo: 47.095%
The first votes counted are from the capital, now let's wait until Castillo gets her.
>>15831Peruvanons can probably explain them better, but I read some interesting descriptions here:
>Incidentally, [Keiko] Fujimori openly defines herself as right-wing. Like her father, Alberto, Keiko represents a brand of right-wing populism — fujimorismo is probably the first major political force in Peru to use a populist discourse, confronting the people as an undifferentiated whole against the political establishment.
>Economically, Fujimori is mercantilist, in the sense that she promotes private enterprise but not necessarily competitive markets. Basically, it’s a capitalist model based on companies gaining market shares through political contacts. In that same sense, Fujimori represents the kinds of business interests that prefer to remain in the shadows, leading some to describe fujimorismo as a mafia-like phenomenon.https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/06/pedro-castillo-peru-libre-keiko-fujimori-runoff-election-june-6-neoliberalismAlso this article points out he wiped out the national bourgeoisie, who were a product of Juan Velasco Alvarado's national development strategy. Velasco was a pro-Soviet and pro-Cuban military dictator in the late 60s / 70s, another total fluke situation, like "revolution from above" which came to power in a coup, and was also overthrown in a coup. Some of Castillo's supporters will have portraits of Velasco at his rallies.
>Alberto Fujimori oversaw one of the most pervasive and predatory neoliberal regimes in Latin America. Facing a deep economic crisis, skyrocketing inflation, a mounting terrorist offensive from the bloody and sectarian PCP-Sendero Luminoso (Shining Path) guerrilla insurgency, widespread social discontent, and popular mobilization, Fujimori adopted a two-pronged strategy: an IMF-inspired “economic stabilization program” and a counterinsurgency campaign informed by the Cold War “national security doctrine.”
>In a now-familiar pattern that Naomi Klein has described as “disaster capitalism,” Fujimori announced a severe austerity program — known as “Fujishock” — a few days after taking office in early August 1990. The package eliminated price subsidies and social spending while drastically raising interest rates and taxes.
>A majority of Peruvians were thrown into absolute poverty, and only 8 percent of the adult population remained fully employed. Farmers in the tropical valleys on the eastern slopes of the Andes turned to growing coca as a way to survive.
>Fujimori also introduced new legislation that allowed employers to fire striking workers, eliminated job security, and curtailed collective bargaining. Land reform was overturned, paving the way for the establishment of massive new estates. A banking law deregulated interest rates and opened the financial sector to foreign investment. State-owned mining and oil companies, ports, railroads, airports, power plants, and public airlines were slated for privatization.
>The legislative onslaught was coupled with an authoritarian turn. In rural areas, military “death caravans” raped, tortured, and executed citizens; college professors and students disappeared from dormitories; peasant villagers were corralled into strategic hamlets; thousands of citizens endured daily police harassment and arbitrary detentions; journalists, lawyers, and relatives of alleged subversives were executed, arrested, or disappeared.https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/07/keiko-fujimori-fujimorismo-peru-kucynski-mendoza >>15841castillobros?…….
transhumanismTranshumanism >>15832RUH ROH!
post moar on >>>/b/>>15841For once we're with the ruralfags?
t. american
>>15841She's sooooooo fucked.
This is going to b a 60%-40%.
RAAAARRRG, I don't like to make predictions, but I am calling it.
>>15842Absolutely psychotic. As per usual, neoliberals are every bit the unforgivable monsters they accuse their enemies of being.
>>15841 it´s gonna be close but i´m calling that castillo is gonna win. he has overwherming rural suport
Holding my hands up like goku rn for all my Castillobros
>>15843The first votes counted are from the capital, I repeat.
Last time Porky got first and later fell when the non-Lima vote was counted. So one can expect the same
>>15845I wish it was a 60% but I'm not sure. That's too much man.
>>15844Castillo got 60% of rural votes in the last poll I checked. (Now he get's from 60-almost 90% in provinces) So I won't make predictions.
Think Fujimori will accept the results once ousted?
How many weeks do you give it until the CIA-led coup starts?
New thread
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>>15265LMAO
uygha Russians like Stalin, even some ex-Warsaw countries like Stalin, no one in Peru likes the Shining Path
>>15800It's a different anon than the Mautist
>>15627Discerning voters like yourself are what every democracy needs.
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