Fall of Kabul-edition
Last thread was full.
Current situation:
- Taliban has entered Kabul officially, from all sides, meeting little or no resistance
- President and senior government and military leaders have fled the country
- Americans and their lackeys are held up at the Kabul airport in the process of evacuation
- “It’s over” say U.S. officials
- Don’t worry, Afghanistan’s only McDonalds (also at the airport) is still operating so get your last McDouble before it’s too late
>>23541They're not wrong, but I bet these are the same people who would support Islamic rebels in Xinjiang because of "muh weegurs."
Also
>That last commentMy Gott. That's got to be at least 100 TeraZizeks.
>>23557Other than this… no
This wasnt like 1996 where people where dragged behind cars and hung from lampposts
https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/taliban-spokesman-tells-bbc-that-women-and-girls-will-still-have-access-to-education-v623d2878A Taliban spokesman has told the BBC that the group “will respect rights of women” when it takes control of Afghanistan, as they enter Kabul with the previous regime reportedly getting prepared to concede power.
A spokesperson for the Taliban, Suhail Shaheen, told BBC News: “We will respect rights of women…our policy is that women will have access to education and work, to wear the hijab.”
This is despite reports on Saturday (14 August) that women were sent home from their jobs in fallen provinces, and told to leave universities in some instances.
Posting the vid here so you don't have to go to the site.
>>23563because social conservatism serves the needs of the rural political economy better as it is based on farming, for which a patriarchal family is best suited and integral to the reproduction of that type of life.
Urbanization exerts a strong secularizing effect on the population regardless of culture.
In fact how bohemian/liberal or conservative a country is, is almost entirely a function of it's average population density and level of development. Highly developed, highly urban societies are the most libertine and permissive.
>>23566In 20 years were going to see Kabul gay prides and the first trans lesbian emira
>>23567Climate change and overpopulation (80 mil by 2050, more people moving to cities) will shift this dynamic
Maybe things will really turn out better this time
I doubt it >>23569See the other post. 70s and 80s Afghanistan was simply too rural.
People act like Afghanistan was this libertine feminist paradise (same shit with Iran) but that was mostly just Kabul, everyone else were illiterate rural subsistence farmers and goat herders
>>23572Soviet afghanistann lasted 3 years after soviets withdrew. US-led lasted exactly 3.5 months after the start of the withdrawl, and will collapse the day the last US soldier is gone.
If the US hadn't funded islamic fundamentalism, Afghanistan would've been a much better place.
>>23573>>23574Do you even know what I'm talking about? Would you rather have a fundamentalist islamic regime instead of an actual socialist state?
Since the site came back it has been nothing but radlib posting.
>>23577 but but my wholesome chungus salafists, islam is so progressive, stop being bigoted
Atheism and critique of religion is a core tenet of all leftist projects.
>>23578Taliban only exists due to the imperialism of the US. False flagging uighur, gtfo.
>>23586Different poster, buddy. If you weren't retarded you would have know this.
Stay of the site for a couple of years, until you've worked an honest days labour and cured your dead brain.
>>23587The US imperialism is weak! The one we should be agaisnt is the soviet socioimperialism!
Support the struggle of UNITA!
Support the struggle of the Khmer Rouge!
Support the struggle of the Muhayiddin!
>>23590Newsflash there's no upside to being a foreign occupier.
Building a cheesy library doesn't make up for a laundry list of crimes.
>>23605>Newsflash there's no upside to being a foreign occupier.But there is. This isn't debatable, you live in a world where all of your predecessors seized everything they saw as the rightfully their "nations" and formed the nation-states you know of today. And that involved occupation. I am against capitalist occupation because it is against my interests. I am for socialist occupation because it expands the breadth of the revolution and increases the total power of the working class.
>Building a cheesy library doesn't make up for a laundry list of crimes.What crimes? None on my list.
>>23612I'm not sure a warmongering socialist empire is better than capitalist warmongerers. And real talk, the Taliban probably aren't materially worse than current government. The fundamentalism is not good obviously but it's not realistic any government can exist outside of that framework that isn't a puppet government.
Instead you have people swallowing American propaganda getting blasted across cable news in terms of how evil the Taliban are and boo hoooooo when they're just for most part normal people with normal motivations trying to liberate their country from invaders who have maimed and killed their families for two decades. Like legit, no matter how backward Taliban fundamentalism is, Soviet or American invaders are still the bad guys.
>>23622meant for
>>23610also china isn't putting "all religious fags in their place". if you believe that you're unironically regurgitating state dept propaganda.
>>23623The Talibs are not going as loconuts fundamentalist as before (women can walk on streets without men and go to school)
My main criticism of the Taliban is that they conduct a neo-feudal agricultural policy, and are extremely oppressive and rent-seeking. They do not seek to advance the country.
The Taliban was not the only movement that arose in the post-soviet vacuum, yet they're the ones that got the US support, got the arms passed down from the Mujahadeen.
China supported its own rebels, much of the islamic world supported other factions.
We've yet to see what the Taliban plans to do. But if they start kicking out non-Pashtuns and ramp up the fundamentalism, the exploitation, I hope you eat your hat.
>>23623even without any special affinity for the USSR the equivalence between the US and Soviet interventions is a false one. A brief look at a map is all it takes to understand why. Even if you say "Oh, the USSR was meddling, the government that asked them for assistance was illegitimate" and so on (and the events surrounding the start of the war
are a clusterfuck), realistically the USSR looked to Afghanistan defensively. If Afghanistan is a NATO-Islamist alliance sort of place then that puts the bordering SSRs at risk. This is much less true of America, which is 12,000 kilometers and an ocean away. (Indeed, you can work back from here into Afghanistan's history, where Britain took an interest in the region because it could give the Russian Empire a path down to India! Geography!)
Furthermore it's worth remembering the extent of foreign aid given to anti-Soviet forces. The situation was not purely one of an illegitimate Soviet occupation fought off by the brave Mujahideen (to whom this post is dedicated), but also one of a US Proxy-Soviet conflict and indeed a China Proxy-Soviet conflict. (This is also true of some extent at the present, where anti-US forces obviously get some foreign aid, but there's no power doing that on anywhere near the scale of support that anti-Soviet forces got.)
>>23623>I'm not sure a warmongering socialist empire is better than capitalist warmongerers.It's not an "empire", and it entirely is. There is no other consequential alternative other then communism, and the only other choice for all of us is mutual ruin. Therefore, there is no means to great in the pursuit of the revolution.
>And real talk, the Taliban probably aren't materially worse than current government. The fundamentalism is not good obviously but it's not realistic any government can exist outside of that framework that isn't a puppet government.Define "puppet government". Was the socialist government of the past merely a "puppet government" for you? And I never made an argument on the Taliban being materially worse or not, it will likely be worse for some demographics and "better" for others. Certainly doesn't make them all around better.
>Instead you have people swallowing American propaganda getting blasted across cable news in terms of how evil the Taliban are and boo hoooooo Liberals are complaining because they are liberals, and their position is that of the US maintaining it's "place" in the world. It has nothing to actually do with the people, or with our issues as communists with groups like the Taliban.
>when they're just for most part normal people with normal motivations trying to liberate their country from invaders who have maimed and killed their families for two decades. Lol no.
>Like legit, no matter how backward Taliban fundamentalism is, Soviet or American invaders are still the bad guys.American invaders? Yes. Soviet invaders? No. The difference is the end goal, and that's all that matters.
>>23587There was never any imperialism, even in the vulgar sense of "military invasion" which you are erroneously using. The USSR, as the vanguard of the world socialist revolution, was performing its internationalist duty to support the struggle of the Afghan people and their socialist representative the PDPA against domestic reaction and foreign intervention by Pakistan and USA. The PDPA government increased average wages by 50% in their first 3 years, abolished payment for water, abolished the feudal land system, built roads and railroads, and enacted dozens of progressive social reforms. The reactionary terrorists with the support of US weapons destroyed thousands of schools, hundreds of mosques, dozens of hospitals, murdered hundreds of peace activists, and murdered thousands of socialists.
>>23648Meant Kashmir*
Dunno why I said it in spanish lmao.
>>23653Yes but people wanted to live the way the prophet Muhammad lived 1500 years ago and that didn't include space flights, education or human rights.
This is what islamic fundamentalism and "muh social-imperialism bad" gets you.
>>23605>>23587The USSR was invited by the legit Afghan government by the time, so eat dicks, you piece of garbage.
>social imperialismOh, so you love Maoist China :v
>>23676If you have the best intentions and still get murdered you are still dead. Nobody will mourn a loser except other losers.
The Afghan socialist project/government lost all viability and legitimacy when it's dignitaries were murdered like feminine cowards and filled dishonored graves. Stop valorizing losers
>>23679>The Afghan socialist project/government lost all viability and legitimacy when it's dignitaries were murdered like feminine cowards and filled dishonored gravesThe USSR was there to avoid that, you dumbfuck.
>>23679>Stop valorizing losers>projectionNo one said VIVA LA USSR in their Afghanistan war.
>>23565Ospreys
Ospreys never change.
I mean, withdrawals, withdrawals never changes.
>>23690Hey guy, if I try to give you 1,000 Euro to improve your life and on the way over I get hit by a car and some dude steals the cash off my body then I lost, am dead, and my intentions didn't matter
Results are ALL THAT MATTERS. THE USSR LOST. It no longer exists! So spending all our time jerking off to a literal corpse instead of thinking about where they fucked up and moving on aint gonna fix shit
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/unworthy-victims-western-wars-have-killed-four-million-muslims-1990
>from 10 years of the “War on Terror” since the 9/11 attacks is at least 1.3 million
>the much-disputed Lancet study that estimated 655,000 Iraq deaths up to 2006 (and over a million until today by extrapolation) was likely to be far more accurate than IBC’s figures.
>PSR concludes that the most likely number for the civilian death toll in Iraq since 2003 to date is about 1 million.
>To this, the PSR study adds at least 220,000 in Afghanistan and 80,000 in Pakistan, killed as the direct or indirect consequence of US-led war: a “conservative” total of 1.3 million. The real figure could easily be “in excess of 2 million”.
>This means that in Iraq alone, the US-led war from 1991 to 2003 killed 1.9 million Iraqis; then from 2003 onwards around 1 million: totalling just under 3 million Iraqis dead over two decades.
>University in Melbourne, Polya concludes that total avoidable Afghan deaths since 2001 under ongoing war and occupation-imposed deprivation amount to around 3 million people, about 900,000 of whom are infants under five.
>According to the figures explored here, total deaths from Western interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan since the 1990s - from direct killings and the longer-term impact of war-imposed deprivation - likely constitute around 4 million (2 million in Iraq from 1991-2003, plus 2 million from the “war on terror”), and could be as high as 6-8 million people when accounting for higher avoidable death estimates in Afghanistan. >>446305The anti-vax shit isn't even true.
See:
>>23594 >>23710 (checked)
So, does that mean they will be making a government-in-exile just like with Belarus?
>>23718Because the US lost and that's a good thing, Talichads are reactionary anti-communist bastards, but at least they keep their shit in Afghanistan instead of trying to export "freedumb" worldwide.
We all want our nogga Najibullah back.
>>23718>why this is a cause for celebration.Because it is something close to Saigon 2.0
>b-b-but Vietcongs and Taliban are not even remotely closeBut the U.S. army empire in Vietnam is closely related to the U.S. army empire in Afghanistan.
>>23727Talk for yourelf. I am really happy. Maybe 20 years of NATO would make talibans anti-imperialist at least
I would hope, so, if not, screw them, anyway, which is already much better than anything what ultra-leftist are doing in the west to overthrow nato imperialism and warmongering.
>>23733i actually basically agree, but you're applying historical contexts that the "good or bad??!?! support or opppose?!" troglodytes aren't.
the statement "this is a good development" makes sense because foreign intervention is part of what made AF so backwards, not because the Taliban "
are universally good "
>>23745I always found it pretty shameful how the western countries will pull out all their own people and leave everyone else to die.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-9Fe4OMoWwNot that this is as bad as Rwanda but it's pretty fuckin bad.
>>23752Al-Qaeda training camps were there so america went in and obliterated the camps and the government (taliban). During that time, the politicians gained huge sums of money from defense contractors and weapon manufacturers. The companies who supported the war enriched themselves with huge contracts and the US was really close to Iran and had hundreds of thousands of troops right there.
Americans didn't really profit off the opium sales, at least not the american government. I'm sure drug dealers in the US did though.
>>23779I'd definitely prefer to throw my lot in with Iran than the Taliban, but that's just me I guess.
>>23783Yeah it's good the US is leaving but I've seen a lot of people on the left be a little too gleeful about this, it's not like the Taliban are good guys either.
>>23752Poppy crops. The best place to cultivate them in the world.
Fair to call it the opium war of the 21st century.
>>23783This is the typical, retarded pessimism of an infantile ultra.
The situation for the proletariat in Afghanistan has improved tenfold with the fall of the US puppet. If you don't understand how, you don't understand anything.
>>23804muh sharia and probably not much else.
Maybe some faction with more than two braincells in its head will be in power this time and actually develop the country but I'm not banking on it so much.
>>23797>Taliban is not really much of an improvement over the previous governmentdisagree
>this peace won't last for very longthen civil war after long occupation is necessary for eventual stability. more occupation certainly wouldn't do it
>>23794The Taliban doesn't have the most powerful bourgeois empire in the world defending it, and it's only possible allies are red China or its friends.
Do you need more spoonfeeding?
>>23561>>23552>>23548>>23541Taliban are pledging that women will be allowed to work, attend school etc under the condition they wear headscarves at a minimum.
tl;dr - looks like absolutely nothing will be changing for the women of Afghanistan.
Taliban natlib is 110% good timeline wholsome poggers confirmed?
>>23823There's reports that women have been forced to leave work and school in Taliban areas though.
But it's possible that's just COINTELPRO, who really knows.
>>23829I don't know a lot of HUEHUE but.
>The victory of a reactionary anti communist islamic fundamentalist guerrilla against an anti communist neoliberal colonial regime is a victory of the entire people.ayyylmao.
>>23830If probably will be the same but if that's what the Afghan people want then how can anyone else impose anything else on them?
Let the Taliban be eroded by exposure to the global markets like everyone else, they will eventually liberalise (in both senses of the word)
>>23820>>23816Taliban can really be seen more as a Pashtun Supremacist group with Fundamentalist Islam characteristics than a proper Ultra-Islamist organization like Al Qaeda and ISIS. For example, although they claim to follow a very strict interpretation of the Sharia they still preserve many of the pre-Islamic tribal traditions even when they go against Islamic teachings.
The reason they got such massive support currently is for their opposition to the US. Once the US is gone tribal conflicts will take over again and things may very well go out of hand, especially if the living situation still remains dire.
>>23841they captured literally tons of american ecquipment
>>23843amerimutt cope
>>23841Not that interesting.
>issued to Afghan army soldier>immediately abandoned by that soldier when they are asked to fight the Taliban>repeat x80000>>23843Yes, that is something a lot of people don't seem to grasp, the Taliban is much more moderate than ISIS, Boko Haram, et cetera.
>>23809t. poltard butthurted because some brown people show him how his inferior pool genes are.
I don't think a group of militias capable to kick the shit out of the U.S. will bring the country to stone age, because if they wanted to live in the stone age, they would bring stone and sticks to fight drones and cobras. Anyway, Taliban means literally scholar, so they had a root upon studies.
>>23830>The last time the taliban was in power they banned music and destroyed a fuckton of cultural heritage sites and shit.What makes you think that it won't be the same this time?
Hi, agent Jones, are you hiring for the CIA junior position? I want to work there
totally not to sabotage the U.S. from within.
>>23847Well, I hope things really get better this time but as I said before, there actually needs to be an initiative for development before things actually get better. They can't just coast on the hope that Sharia will magically turn their country into an Islamic utopia and expect things to get better.
>>23848I'm brown you fucking retard.
>>23718Islamist reactionary retards gonna retard, now we wait until they start committing atrocity after atrocity and make threads about it here and watch the Turd-worldists, Mautists and Islamic """""communists"""" seethe
>>23796>>23793>People are already being killed for not following religious beliefs>PeaceLOL
>>23851DUUUUUDE
Don't care, get rkt/butthurted because some brown people threw out their asses.
>>23852>I'm brown you fucking retard.post timestamp with skin, or gtfo you chinlet.
If truly brown, ugh, cipayo.
>>23859That shows you the real astroturf the ghani government had.
>>23860kek, never fails, the creatura orco de las americas
https://www.rt.com/news/532127-taliban-afghan-war-foreign-failure/<Taliban spokesman says Afghan war is over, militants convinced ‘foreign forces won’t repeat failed experience in Afghanistan’>The group then vowed to "deal with the concerns of the international community through dialogue."This is interesting:
<Despite calls from the US and multiple international organizations to seek a political solution with Ghani’s government, the Taliban entered Kabul on Sunday demanding nothing less than the complete transfer of power. Ghani’s abrupt departure took the Taliban by surprise, the spokesman told Al-Jazeera, and following his flight, the president’s former aides were more than willing to set up an easy transition to Taliban rule.One can speculate why he left without giving a fight. Maybe the U.S. wasn't planning to support the puppet regime anymore?
The alleged butchers and savages:
>“It is my pleasure that I am carrying out the process of handing over the presidential palace to the Taliban militants, and it is my pleasure that this process is carried out without bloodshed,” >>23580>>445996>>445973The original meme is from Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2, which is a game where (among other things) the Russian Federation launches a full scale invasion of the United States after some Russian ultra-nationalists take power. The "Ramirez, secure Burger Town" bit is from the mission "Wolverines."
Every day the real world becomes closer to a parody of itself.
>>23830their justification for destroying the Buddhas was actually pretty funny
they were like "We were going to leave it alone, but then you fuckers started spending millions of dollars to protect your precious fucking statues while people were starving in the poorest country in the world, so fuck you and fuck your idols, KABOOM motherfucker."
>>23919I disagree the Chinese are converting people to their ways, but not with the edge of the sword like the US but by showing example and being a target of admiration.
I also believe that Taliban is one of the "better" radical muslin groups and if BRI and other Chinese investment is allowed to raise the standard of living in Afghanistan it will also change the political views of the afghans themselves and by extension of the Taliban in a way that no amount of foreign occupation could have done.
>>23924Yes. It's going to be pretty funny. You have this mass panic before the Taliban takeover, but then they takeover and let them leave anyway.
Like an animal getting released from a trap.
>>23895HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
YOU GOT DUPED AGAIN
>>23950lmao we thought the jan 6 magaturds were accidentally based retards making the US government look pathetically weak
and the taliban suck but this also shows how pathetically weak the US is so it's darkly funny and somewhat cathartic, but also worrying for what the future holds in the region. even in defeat US empire still fucks things up by putting these clowns in power
>>23950I enjoyed Jan 6th, but I send to the qtards-rightoid magatards that believed they changed or achieved something that day, besides proving:
1)They are cucks, not revolutionaries
2)Trump gave 0 shits about them and their
>>23959The reason I'm not on Twitter 24/7 (I have an account but it's for tweeting personal opinions)
>>23950January 6 is STAGED; Taliban takeover is not
supposedly they've got 800 people bundled up into a C-17 transport jet:
https://twitter.com/MilMonWorld/status/1427025918652977156for reference, this is what 600-odd packed into the same jet (from the Philippines a few years ago) looks like
>>23983Not to forget Lord Burger
Then they will scream "human rights in afghanistan" in sponsored demonstrations
>>23993Since biden is moving out of Afghanistan, he's officially a marxist, and thus,
BASED.
>>23995>Trump is goodYup! He is the best president for America and the best America has voted! Libs are right, he is Russia's friend!
LONG LIVE OUR PRESIDENT DONALD JOHN TRUMP
>>23568You realize if the US was serious enough, Biden could be forced over a barrel by Congress to nuke Afghanistan?
I would be popular, since China would have to deal with the effects of their neighbour getting nuked.
>>24017C'mon man. That's harsh.
Here's hoping that the Taliban gets woke, embraces tolerance for different lifestyles, and starts seeing science as a way to get to know G-d. :)
>>24019>They're banning Covid VaccinesNo they aren't
See:
>>23594Tbh, I would have to save the picture in case you return with more CIA crap.
>>23997They will if Americans end up as hostages.
It was already humiliating for American nationalism to have helicopters fly people out of their Embassy.
>>24030if anything the CIA is probably running a slaughterhouse for assets that are more useful dead than alive now
imagine how many opium farmers must've been capped recently to keep the trail cold on CIA funding
>>23971If anything, this massive fuckup of Biden has also opened everyone's eyes to how incompetent the Pentagon and Intelligence Agencies are.
This undermines American military and intelligence strength, and any country after this might start dismissing US demands, pointing to the Taliban as examples.
>>24019>They're banning Covid VaccinesBased
>musicBased
>nice clothingBased
>I can see the Taliban backstabbing ChinaWon't happen.
>I hope the USA nukes them.The Taliban would survive, and the remaining population would support them even more fervently. It would result in a mass wave of terrorist attacks against Americans.
>>24028That's all true, but if the citizens of that country prefer feudal era tribes, then they have to realize the current state of the world will make that fantasy unpleasant. This is the world of national states, global corporate influence, NGO's, China is right next door and wants their minerals.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Taliban make things difficult for Chinese corporations to mine their minerals, that the Chinese Government wouldn't have any problems using bioweapons and anything to kill off the Taliban and their supporters.
>>24039>implying nukes won't take innocents.Ah, I see you have figured out already with your western/NATO country how to cope with innocents immigrants that won't survive the nuke, right?
Or is it perhaps that the country you live in there is a rightoid group screeching about muh brown people and you prefer to nuke them rather to do the political process to change those rightoids to see if your country can accept afghans?
>inb4 REEEEEE HOW DARE YOU TO QUESTION MY NATIONALISM AND MY MORAL HIGH GROUND RREEEEEEE >>24053without new real developments just make it cyclical tbh
not like we can reach any greater highs than saigon 2.0
>>24053i don't really like cyclic tbh, having new editions is better and easier to archive.
after the evacuation is done, in discussing the boring aftermath, maybe then do cyclical but until then it would be better to have an archive of leftypol responding to the collapse in real time.
>>24047>Sexless theocratFUCK YOU. LONG LIVE THE TALIBAN
GOD IS INDEED GREAT
>>24042Cope and seethe, next time read different news sources, never subscribe to fucking AP
>>24026I was shitposting a bit. Practicing for reddit etc when libs start to complain
>>23571Thorough sovietification would have educated the rural religious nuts from their benighted positions
>>24053Keep it symplier: Cyclic.
But edit the main OP. Something like: Afghan habbenings the return of the Taliban sequel.
>>240641. train actually competent fighters
2. build trust with the local communities
3. what >>24068 said, they are there because the country's situation has been set back too far to be able to support a more sophisitcated "modern" political system
>>24068That's what these guys
>>23569 were trying to do, and guess what? the vast majority of the people rejected it.
>>24067>If Taliban sided with America, problem is that they will never, and so socialist regimes can make them an exception. They initially did, so that's not really an argument. There is also zero reason for any socialist "regime" to make any exception. Communism isn't when you go "Communism, but".
>Returning to medieval lifestyle is also great.No. If we ever do live long enough to see another communist revolution, its going to have to be more voracious and expansive then ever before. Literally nothing can be left of any opposition to it.
>>24069>Material conditions will always lead to class struggle, it is not something a bunch of fundamentalists can change.Yes, but class struggle is not something that happens in isolation within a single country. A revolutionary government taking and seizing the land of a separate bourgeoisie (or even more antiquated classes) state and integrating its working class for itself is just as much class struggle as any other.
>>24075Because is moronic. They don't reject modernity like if they would love to live in the 1500s. To begin with they didn't use rocks and sticks to attack the US/NATO.
That's a CIA talking point:
>le we are bringing modernity to those savages >>24075>And? To repurpose a quote used in a different context, "For the people, despite the people". The revolution and the development of it is more important then any one people and nation, and if those workers who side with reaction need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the future, then so be it. They won't be the only generation.Again the USSR already tried to do that, the mujahidden had a ton of popular support outside of Kabul and major cities, we need to accept that afghans want to live under an authoritarian theocracy, that's how it is unless you magically make them all class conscious using mememagic.
>>24077A lot of them do reject modernity, not in "muh sticks and stones instead of weapons" but in customs, human rights etc. The most radical interpretations of the sharia say that muslims should live the way Muhammmed lived 1500 years ago.
>>24072>Because is moronic. They don't reject modernity like if they would love to live in the 1500s. To begin with they didn't use rocks and sticks to attack the US/NATO.Where did my argument rely on them rejecting modern technology? Technology is itself not inherently the same as a development production within a country and a change in its social relations.
>That's a CIA talking point:>le we are bringing modernity to those savagesIts not inherently a CIA talking point. If the USSR invaded a western capitalist state, it would also be bringing a necessary future to them as well. They would be closer to socialism development wise, but they would still be made to abandon their previous social relations, with those that rejected pulled forward regardless.
>>24085>One can't expect too much from an already reactionary group as peasants.t. trotskyte being wrong as usual
Remember the CPC took over the nationalist peasantry and they got very ideologized towards the communist revolution.
Imagine the Taliban going against the ANA– oh wait we don't need to.
Now imagine a few good conservative men going against whatever elements of the US government oppose them, soon a proper revolution will happen and 1776 WILL COMMENCE AGAIN!
And just as the Taliban put the ISIS retards down like rabid dogs, we'll take care of the Atomwaffen and O9A psychopaths. We'll pardon our freedom fighters while leaving retards like Crusius and Cruz to rot. We will use the US as a base to being proper democracy to countries that deserve it, not third world shitholes that have zero want nor need for a representative democracy. uygharagua will have free and fair elections or they will have a Pinochet, and not Ortega running things, Cuba and Venezuela as will be conquered through force or diplomacy within the first year of our victory, and Europe will finally have the heroes they need, the UK, Germany, Italy, will have proper right wing governments and Sweden, France, Spain, etc will learn what real capitalism is. We will rebuild the Twin Towers bigger and better than ever in Kabul, they will shine 3,000 feet tall and the Taliban will pay for it with opium profits that we dump into Wuhan in revenge, we'll turn Havana into Las Vegas II, and Tokyo-3 will be real but it will be located in the former Portland, Oregon.
It's a new paradigm, the War on Terror is over. Something new is coming alive.
>>24093They sorta already are de-facto hostages.
No planes can take off from the airport because Tali's keep circling the place firing guns in the air to spook people.
And there's tonnes of people scattered around the city who never got the clue where their meant to evac (like that britbong livestreamer)
>>24087>Again the USSR already tried to do thatand they might have had a lot more success if the world superpower wasn't funneling billions of dollars and weapons to their nutjob opponents in a concerted effort to make them fail.
>we need to accept that afghans want to live under an authoritarian theocracyno.
>>24091I personally think it has to do with the ideology that entalis the muslim leadership (reminder that their mullahs considered the communist as devils) in contrast to the ideology/religion the chinese peasants had.
But if you can prove me wrong in my little ramble I frankly would be glad .
>>24098And we're gonna fucking win! No one does suicide bombings for liberal democracy, and I'm not a bloodthirsty guy, someone like Trump could just intimidate the rest of the feds into surrendering in exchange for living their comfy lives. ANTIFA and BLM would be allowed to do the black hammer commune thing, your school teachers and boomer liberals would just complain while doing nothing, and leftypol would just shitpost about a revolution that's never going to come.
>>24100? Biden is basically a neocon who finally is trying to pull out but like your parents probably it's too fucking late and an embarrassment more than anything.
>>24104Taliban yes. Al-Qaeda, ISIS, these guys are insane and I'd be the first to subjugate them. I thought Crusius was a fucking embarrassment before the FAGGOTcel meme came along, at least Tarrant was cool other than the civilian murder.
>>24107Enjoy being flown into China on a refugee caravan on an [Airline I own] Boeing 787
>>24112the meme autism yes
>>24113I'm of the opinion that we always had kinship and didn't know it, Bush did 9/11 and a wedge was driven, now it's healed.
Apparently that Rambo III thank you credit is fake but there were movies made about Soviet soldiers getting Pashtunwali
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beast_(1988_film)>>24114So was Mohamad Omar in 2002 probably
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