No.506430[Last 50 Posts]
Let's mantain the civil discussion we were having in the last thread.
Last thread got full.
FULL SIZZLEGANG FOR THE WINOriginal post:
Is there a proxy conflict coming?
US will act ‘decisively’ if Russia deploys military to Cuba or Venezuela – White House
https://www.rt.com/russia/546021-moscow-presence-cuba-venezuela/Are NATO and Russia on the brink of war over the Ukraine crisis? (Ex-UK ambassador to Russia)
https://www.rt.com/podcast/546013-russia-nato-ukraine-crisis/US claims Russia preparing ‘false flag’ in Ukraine
https://www.rt.com/russia/546091-us-false-flag-ukraine/Russia ‘fabricating a pretext for invasion’ of Ukraine – White House
https://www.rt.com/russia/546049-kremlin-fabricating-reason-ukraine-invasion/Is Russia really preparing an offensive against Ukraine?
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/546082-russian-military-exercise-ukrainian-border/CIA-trained special ops could fight Russians in case of Ukrainian invasion – report
https://www.rt.com/russia/546041-cia-special-troops-ukraine-invasion/Ukraine hit by huge cyber attack
https://www.rt.com/russia/546026-ukrainian-government-agencies-massive-cyberattack/Russia-NATO relations at critical level, Moscow warns
https://www.rt.com/russia/545911-moscow-nato-relations-hazards/US to train ‘Ukrainian insurgents’ in EU – media
https://www.rt.com/russia/546143-us-train-ukraine-insurgents-reports/US seeking ways to profit should Russia-Ukraine conflict break out – reports
https://www.rt.com/business/546138-us-lng-russia-europe-sanctions/Also: requesting that tweet where Lukashenko says that this year they reunite Belarus, Russia, Ukraine, etc.
To check for news:
https://liveuamap.com/esTo check for (military) planes:
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/I'm gonna post my opinion about the russian matter in here as well, it's my post, you can't do nothing about it:
Russia has tried to join NATO, twice.
No real reason for NATO to actually not accept, you would literally have world domination, aside from China.
This is because of a very simple reason, NATO wants to balkanize Russia. The very existence of Russia is a menace to NATO, and I don't mean this because they're "scared" of russian people, but how much territory they occupy.
Russia is the major country that will get a benefit from climate change, it's a country with a lot of natural resources because it literally owns about 1/8 of the planet or so.
It's the literal counterpart of the US, and the US wants it destroyes so it can truly be the world dominator without having no one to actually stand to them. Also Russia has lotsa nukes.
Not saying tho that Russia is an anti-imperialist nation, it is a capitalist nation and capitalism itself enables imperialism, it's a feature, not a dlc. But the thing is that NATO is searching for Russia is to be completely destroyed and balkanized in 5 states or more.
Also the Rimland theory is more important (at least that'd what NATO officials believe) than what you think.
So in thic conflict I support Russia for these reasons.
>Russia is actively defending itself against an outside invader that wants to mutilate it out of paranoia.>Ukraine isn't worth a damn supporting, they have incorporated in their army neo-nazi paramilitaries.>Ukraine is also a shithole that would be better under russian control… Probably (not that hard of a test tbh, being better than a comprador regime for NATO isn't that hard).>More power to Russia means less power to the US, which will make it more aggressive. Supporting Russia is literally accelerationism to ww3, but accelerationism nonetheless, and no, I don't want ww3, I don't like to happen, but one thing is to not like war and the other is to delude oneself into believing that it will not happen, it will happen because it's the natural course of capitalism. This is more asking for a swift death than a prolonged, painful suffering under late stage capitalism.>Seriously, fuck the Ukrainian goverment.>In fact, fuck ALL nato states, including mine.Despite this, I recognize that:
>Russia is a capitalist country. Thus means that it is imperialist because imperialism is the capitalist drive for profit natural course of action, read imperialism, the last stage of capitalism. Every capitalist country will become either imperialist, or imperialized, and Russia clearly isn't being imperialized as, say, Togo is.>Russia is ruled by a capitalist class, the same class that killed the Soviet Union and thus killed AES.>The russian state is actively smearing the soviet union, by example making the gulag archipelago a required reading in schools, meanwhile putting into a shrine a fake version of Stalin, deluding themselves into thinking he was a fascistic strong dictator instead of the antithesis of fascism which is why russian rightwingers love to say that they liked Stalin but hate Lenin, despite the former being literally a disciple and rightful succesor to Lenin's theories and politics.Btw this also applies to China.
No.506431
>forgot the ukraine thread 9.0
fuck
Uh… Let's say this is a reboot, kinda like DOOM 2016 or something like that.
No.506435
>>506430What's the point of this thread? Putin pussied out as I predicted, LOL.
No.506439
>>506438Ok, someone put it on cytube pls.
No.506441
>>506438Rescheduled for 3:30 EST
>>506440Thanks
No.506447
>>506443Amazed that nobody was killed in this terrorist attack. It really is habbening.
https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1493590163024400389?s=21 No.506449
>>506448Gotta fight the invisible enemy at the border lel
No.506450
Glenn Beck is a room clearer, very nice
No.506452
BREAKING: RUSSIAN STATE DUMA VOTES IN SUPPORT OF OFFICIAL RECOGNITION OF DONBASS BREAKAWAY STATES DONETSK AND LUGANSK
No.506453
>>748636
For communists self-determination of oppressed nations is only a means to an end.
No.506454
>>506452It still has to be approved by Putin. Don't aspiring NATO members have to settle territorial disputes in their country in order to join? So rejecting the resolution should technically help prevent or slow Ukraine from joining NATO? Or maybe I'm just talking out my ass.
No.506455
>>506454What I mean is, if Russia officially recognized Donetsk and Lugansk as Russian territory and then seized it, that would make Ukraine more NATO-ready. Or if they recognize them but don't invade, does it have the opposite effect?
No.506456
>>506452It should be noted this is a non-binding resolution, so for it to actually get passed Putin has to sign it, which he indicated he wont. But it doesn't have a time limit, so he can just defer on signing it and let it sit on his desk until all negotiations have failed.
>>506454The real reason to sign it, is after officially recognizing it, the Russian Federation can formally note that Ukraine is attempting a policy of genocide/deliberately targeting civilians in DPR/LNR and under international law, the same one the US used in Yugoslavia, can begin combat operations against Ukraine to halt said policy
No.506457
If Russian does split Ukraine into two separate countries it seems rather likely now that West Ukraine would probably join NATO.
No.506458
excuse me, waiter? i ordered a nothingburger and this CLEARLY has something in it. i'd like to speak to your manager.
No.506459
>>506455I thought Russia already claimed those areas as part of Russia. And even if they haven’t they’ve been controlling it for 8 years so at this point it is effectively Russian territory whether officially or not.
No.506460
>>506452Nothingburger, Russia already cucked out, Putin wont approve it
No.506461
>>506457Why not take it all?
>Noooo he can't do that west of the Dnieper everyone hates himAnd what are they gonna do.
It's literal plains (although the west has some hills and so on, but regardless) and if a city rebels they will just get inside with the army.
Also fuck Ukrainians.
No.506465
>Peskov: Ukrainians should set their alarms for 3am to see if the British are right or not
No.506467
>>506466This is from the Estonian Foreing Intelligence Service, not the US intelligence.
Also we're already on the second half of february.
No.506468
>>506447>>506443video looks very fake lol
No.506469
>>506468You say that but they got the bomb defusal rope out and everything
No.506470
I want to believe.
No.506471
>>506467>>506467>Estonian Foreing Intelligence Service>US intelligenceOne of the most cucked countries to US, so what is the difference. I wouldn't be surprised if state department told Estonians to publish this to make their own invasion scaremongering more believable. Wouldn't be the first fucking time when balts do the US bidding.
No.506475
>>506473Guys.
The terrorist attack wasn't even perfomed.
This isn't leading to anything.
The US intelligence said that they (russians) would "make" a video of how the Ukrainian Army is invading, trying to do a "false flag attack".
The US (and Ukraine for that matter) strategy is to attack, say that the Russians are lying and attacking them, and appear like they're the defenders.
This won't start with Russia attacking, it will start with this, US-led operation.
No.506476
>>506475 (me)
>Why would they do this.Because right now, the Nordstream is more important than the Ukraine vassal state they've proped up.
They want to make Europe fall in line.
No.506477
>>506435What? I didn't hear anything about Crimea being abandoned and "de-occupied".
No.506478
>>506435This is your brain on r/worldnews
No.506479
>>506477Didn't you hear? Putin capitulated and Ukraine annexed all of Russia.
No.506480
>>506476And Europe doesn't even want to block Nordstream even if Russia invades Ukraine.
What's really bizarre is that nobody recognizes the annexation of Crimea, which means Russia technically already invaded Ukraine. But I guess they refrain, since that would definitely lead to war with Russia. Which just might be the next step, since Russia isn't fucking interested in striking first, but US still wants Nordstream 2 dead.
No.506481
>>506480>And Europe doesn't even want to block Nordstream even if Russia invades Ukraine. Indeed.
We shall see who wins out in Europe, or the atlantic cucks or the people who actually can see NATO shouldn't exist anymore.
No.506482
Fizzlers stay winning.
No.506483
>>506482Have the fizzle gang ever tried not being cringe tho?
No.506484
>>506483We have asended above the need for the cringe/based dichotomy.
No.506485
>>506483They're "avowed communists" right up until contradictions of capitalism actually hit. Then capitalism is invincible and sustainable, and history is actually over.
>inb4 we're just blackpilled!No.
I am the one who is blackpilled. You're just an anti-communist faggot.
No.506486
>>506485I've never said capitalism is invincible, just that Russia/CSTO and NATO aren't going to war.
No.506487
Generalized air evacuation of the US embassy is starting. A number of US army helicopters with EVAC callsigns are headed into Ukraine right now from Poland
No.506489
reddit still thinks an invasion is happening tomorrow. Biden could piss on them and call it rain and they would believe it
No.506490
https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1493688989244694529?s=20&t=ljd2l5ADx0e49C1ZbGhxjQ
>Incredibly detailed report on Ukraine by RUSI's @Jack_Watling and Nick Reynolds based on what looks like extensive interviews with Ukrainian military and intelligence officers over recent weeks20 page think tank type if u guys Wana read. Link in tweet to pdf
No.506491
>>506486Desires and intentions are irrelevant next to systemic pressure exerted on the people involved. The entire situation can spiral out of anybody's control at a moment's notice, and it's basically just luck that kept the war from starting already.
>>506489Post screen-caps, redditfag.
No.506492
>>506491cant post images on tor, not worth it anyways
>>506490not sure about source but based Russian double agents
>>506488i wonder if this guy still fights, I think he's too old now
No.506495
>>506494>start shit just to get BTFO>so your suzerain can bring another disobedient puppet in line for profitI think there's a reward for being that big of a cuck - losing half your territory.
No.506496
>>506495>I think there's a reward for being that big of a cuck - losing half your territory.Not that much of a cuck if later your overlord gives you a bahamas mansion.
No.506497
>>506491>Desires and intentions are irrelevant next to systemic pressure exerted on the people involved. That's just it. If that were the case, we wouldn't have gotten this far in the first place. We would be in nuclear winter since at least the 60s by now. There must be something
systemic preventing crapitalism from destroying itself multiple times over. Marxism can't seem to explain it (or any science for that matter), but
something is keeping this damn dystopian hellhole alive. Metaphysical, some quantum BS maybe, I don't know. When I studied our history, the 20th century just seems like an unnatural amount of bad outcomes that shouldn't have happened and blocked further human development. Maybe we are in a bloody simulation afterall or in a limbo – a bad joke. This world seems ever more surreal as time goes on and it becomes increasingly unbearable.
All I know is: This is a
nothingburger! I can't explain why, but it just "is." Until we "break the matrix" if you will, nothing will fundamentally change. (See what I did there?)
No.506499
literally nothing happend as a result of this, its all posture on both sides
No.506500
>>506435>pussied outyou are such a brainless retard
No.506501
>>506445how am i supposed to believe it is russian hackers on the word of the US government, when it could just as easily be anyone else without proof, including the US themselves?
No.506502
HOLY SHIT A TEAPOT JUST FLEW THROUGH MY ASTEROID BELT
No.506503
HOLY SHIT SOME POO CAME OUT OF MY ANUS
No.506504
New hypothesis.
What if Russia is purposely feeding lies to US intelligence that they will attack hoping that the US would do some retarded shit like this.
I don't get what the aim of the US is here. But on the other hand, the Nordstream2 project is too important for Russia (and Europe). So that doesn't seem likely.
So the US is doing a major bitchfit because nordstream2 was completed successfully despite insane sanctions on the project?
They are very close to fucking up and instigating a coup by the pro-EU bourgeoisie.
No.506505
>Thread 9.0
How many more are needed before this board realized nothing will fucking happen? Lol.
No.506507
Real talk: can Russia actually win a head-to-head fight against Ukraine or NATO? Perhaps Putin will win in other ways…
No.506508
>>506506Can you sound my tiny cock with your stinky slimy log
No.506509
Reminder this is a fake out on Putins part for PR. Hes going to make it look like hes pulling out and de-escalating then the false flag occurs necessitating action by Russia.
No.506510
>>506507ukraine would get rolled within a day or two since they have no allies to back them up. as for the other conflict, the US military and MIC think tanks played out a conflict between NATO and russia repeatedly and NATO loses every time. that's why the american strategy is to use nukes freely, it's complete lunacy but the only way they can win (and deter) a war
No.506511
>>506507No, the US has more advanced and numerous weapons, a larger military and more allies
No.506512
>>506497>the despair of vulgar materialistThe fall of capitalism isn't mechanically inevitable, it's statistically inevitable. The inherent contradictions within capitalism induce repeated crises in the base, internal or external, at which point the superstructure takes over, and human actions actually matter. History rolls a dice, but the dice is loaded. Before, the existence of the Soviet Union forced the bourgeoisie to somewhat behave themselves, and even then, we repeatedly came close to WW3, but communists, actually possessing humanity tempered its chances. Now that Russia is capitalist, anything goes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov>Unlike the other submarines in the flotilla, three officers on board B-59 had to agree unanimously to authorize a nuclear launch: Captain Savitsky, the political officer Ivan Semonovich Maslennikov, and the chief of staff of the flotilla (and executive officer of B-59) Arkhipov. Typically, Soviet submarines armed with the "Special Weapon" only required the captain to get authorization from the political officer to launch a nuclear torpedo, but due to Arkhipov's position as chief of staff, B-59's captain also was required to gain his approval. An argument broke out, with only Arkhipov against the launch.One vote.
That's how close.
No.506513
>>506511Okay, NATOuyghur.
No.506514
Russian Lawmakers Approve Resolution To Recognize Separatist Regions In Ukraine
>The Russian parliament's lower chamber, the State Duma, has voted in favor of sending a resolution to ask President Vladimir Putin to recognize two territories in eastern Ukraine held by separatists as independent states.>Duma speaker Vyacheslav Volodin, a member of the pro-Kremlin ruling United Russia party, said after the move was approved by lawmakers on February 15 that he will sign the resolution immediately and send it to Putin for consideration.>The move, if approved by Putin, could further exacerbate tensions with the West over a Russian military buildup of an estimated 130,000 troops near the border with Ukraine that has fueled fears of an imminent attack. Russia has steadfastly denied any such plans and has accused the West of creating a crisis with its hysteria.>Recognition of the two entities, which call themselves the Donetsk and Luhansk people's republics and comprise part of the region commonly known as the Donbas, could also spell the end of the Minsk peace process in east Ukraine, where a conflict between government forces and Moscow-backed separatists has killed more than 13,200 people since April 2014.>"This recognition would be a clear violation of the Minsk agreements," said Josep Borrell, the European Union's top diplomat.>"EU support and commitment to Ukraine's independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity within its internationally recognized borders remains unwavering," he added.>Earlier in the day, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters in Moscow that there were no official discussions about recognizing the two regions.>Russia has been pushing Ukraine to implement the Minsk agreements which, according to Moscow, envision special status for the separatist-controlled territories to give them more autonomy within Ukraine.>Kyiv has rejected the notion, however, saying it is a thinly veiled attempt by the Kremlin to federalize Ukraine and ultimately take control of it.>Russia has provided military, economic, and political support to the separatists. Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, Moscow maintains that it is not involved in Ukraine's domestic affairs.>Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba told reporters that if Putin approves recognition of the territories, "Russia will de facto and de jure withdraw from the Minsk agreements with all the attendant consequences.">Volodin alleged that Ukraine isn't observing the Minsk agreements.>"Our citizens and compatriots who live in Donbas need our help and support," he said on Twitter.>Putin declined to be drawn out on whether he plans to approve the resolution. Speaking at a joint news conference with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, he said Russians were sympathetic to the residents of the Donbas region, but he wanted the regions' problems to be resolved through the Minsk accords.>He also claimed without presenting any evidence that Ukraine was committing “genocide” in its eastern provinces, where many native Russian-speakers live.>The comment raised concern over the possibility of a provocation in the Ukraine crisis. Putin has said in the past that Moscow is ready to protect ethnic Russians outside its borders.>Scholz called Putin’s “genocide” statement “wrong.”https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-luhansk-donetsk-duma-recognition/31704804.html No.506515
>>506510 (not him)
In fact, you gotta consider that NATO is not only the US, but also all of the countries of the EU. The french military might be compenet, the german one might be as well, but what about the polish one? Or the military competency of the baltic states? Or from Spain and Greece?
NATO has, like, 5 actual military powers, and the rest are just spicier Austria-Hungary's. You can't win a war with like 30 countries 25 of which are more interested in having more money in their swiss accounts than to actually fight.
No.506516
why the fuck is reuters just casually livestreaming the maidan square?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_JRSioZZyQ No.506517
>>506516How else will we witness the imminent Russian terrorist attack?
No.506518
>>506513most Russian tanks are sitting unmaintained in non climate controlled where houses for 30+ years
No.506521
>>506518Every single American tank doesn't have an auto-loader, and is too heavy for most European bridges.
No.506522
SAUDI ARABIA REJECTS BIDEN PLEA TO INCREASE OIL PRODUCTION AS MIDTERMS LOOM
“High gas prices will almost certainly be blamed on the party in power, so it really seems like the Saudis are using the oil weapon against Democrats here.”
https://theintercept.com/2022/02/15/saudi-arabia-gas-price-oil/ No.506523
>>506521>Every single American tank doesn't have an auto-loaderyeah, because not having one gives you a faster rate of fire, auto-loaders don't make a tank better, just cheaper
No.506524
>>506520i miss when recruitment ads were just extremely racist against the other guy
No.506525
>>506515>5 actual military powerseh, I'd say it's more like 3
US, France, and Turkey
No.506526
>>5065071) a real hot war between US and Russia would probably go nuclear very quickly, with both sides doing tons of damage. The US is arguably worse prepared for a combined-operations large scale conflict, because they don't practice it and waste money, though they do have many more resources.
2) Russia knows that the US has more to lose and less to gain in such a scenario and would never directly fight Russia over Ukraine.
No.506527
>>506523>have less>more expensive>more maintenance heavy>still breaks down more>AND you spend more crew>America! Fuck yeah!How did that work for the Germans?
No.506528
>>506507>against Ukraineyeah, it'd be over in three days functionally
>NATOdoesn't matter since we're atomic dust
No.506529
>>506522Biden confirmed 1 term president
No.506530
>>506527The Abrams have won every single tanks vs tank battle it has been in
No.506531
>>506530List all the times an Abrams faced an actual, not-gutted-for-export model of a modern tank.
No.506532
>arguing about tanks when in a peer war armored formations are annihilated by whatever side obtains artillery fire superiority
we already went through this in 2014/5 when Ukrainian armored formations got deleted by MRLS systems and again in Armenian-Azeri war when Armenian's got hit by arty(which played a bigger role than the drones did)
No.506534
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1493740600302227456?s=20&t=nhEz4pv04NlKxsUrQWeKhgSergei Shoigu also arrived in Syria today to observe the naval exercise in the Mediterranean. The commander of the Russian Navy, Admiral Nikolay Yevmenov, was also on hand. 4/
No.506536
>>506534If something was happening today with Ukraine Russia shoygu would absolutely be in Russia not Syria, he's very important for Russia decision making
No.506538
>>506533>Tankers still using the old helmetsI thought Ratnik was supposed to delete those. WTF, man
No.506541
>>506540
>if if
when will the empire crumble
No.506542
>>506540
Afghanistan 2.0 habbening?
No.506543
I think the goal of this crisis is to motivate porkies to take their capital out of Europe and bring it back into the US. That means the US financial situation must be pretty desperate, after all, the burgers recently just robbed Afghanistan of their meager central bank money. The fact that European governments go along with this is disappointing though not surprising at this point.
No.506544
>>506512>the despair of vulgar materialistGuilty, I guess.
>The fall of capitalism isn't mechanically inevitable, it's statistically inevitable.Are you sure? Capitalism went through multiple crises of overproduction, which should have killed it, yet it's still chugging along, while the prospect for socialism is as far away as ever, since the proletariat everywhere is terminally brainwashed despite all contradictions. The rate of profit is almost practically zero and signs show that capitalism may revert to techno-feudalism or a similar abomination to compensate. This doesn't seem natural. Something is rigged here!
>One voooot prevented nuclear warIt's hindsight, I know, but if I could turn back time, man…
Nuclear winter would have been preferable compared to the slow collapse through climate catastrophe, which we will be getting instead. Literally anything is better. There is not much as profoundly scary than collapsing into barbarism and then slowly going extinct because of its consequences.
If I could turn back time further, I would prevent the murder of Rosa Luxembourg and Liebknecht and maybe avoid all the awful things that happened in the 20th century.
We might have been a type 1 civilisation by now; already on the road to type 2. I fucking hate this timeline!
No.506545
>>506543The US would probably rather sell its more expensive LNG to Germany instead of Russia selling it, but they already get it from Russia anyways. A bigger cause is that Russia is demanding a security treaty to prevent NATO expansion and the US doesn't want to consider it, so Russia helped force a conversation. Germany kind of pushed back on blocking Nordstream so that's a good thing.
No.506546
Well it’s 3:32am in Ukraine and there’s no invasion. Looks like Putin tricked everybody.
No.506547
>>506546>it’s 3:32am in Ukrainehow? it's only 8:34 here lmao
No.506548
>>506546Putin is going to get fired. Late for work
No.506550
>>506547You have to be 18 to post on this website
No.506553
Took a nap.
Did something happen after Putin pulled away from the border?
No.506554
>>506522I hope every Saudi royal gets the Romanoved one day.
No.506556
HOLY SHIT, I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S NOT BUTTER
No.506557
>>506522I will lmao if they loft sanctions on Iran because of this
No.506560
>>506559Saudi Arabia, Qatar and UAE belong to the migrant workers they enslave.
No.506565
>>506444Kek, US is now spying on Ukraine because Ukraine didn't do something
No.506569
>>506564LOL What did he post?
No.506570
>>506568Gee, I wonder why Russia would be worried about Ukraine..
No.506572
>>506568Lmao i enjoy listening to this guy. Delusions of grandeur. It's like Ukrainian dugin
No.506573
>>506435>anglo>stupidclockwork
No.506575
>>506574Fashboi autism alliance
No.506577
>>506551Assad looks like a fucking pencil.
No.506580
China is going to help Ukraine turn Odessa into an alternative for Crimea and hook them up to the belt and road.
Win-Win.
So Zelensky dosen't feel like LARPing about 'reclaiming' some now 95%+ Russian territories and blowing up the Belt and Road just for americlap good boy points.
No.506581
Embedding error.
>>506520Purely out of curiosity…
Does AZOV make recruitment ads and videos and shit?
And if so…
What do they look like?
No.506583
>>506520Пусть говноеды получат по заслугам.
No.506585
>Vladimir Chizhov has ruled out an imminent attack on Ukraine. "There will be no escalation in the coming week, or in the week after that, or in the coming month," he told Die Welt.
>Russia's envoy to the European Union, Vladimir Chizhov, has rejected suggestions that his country is about to attack Ukraine.Happening bros we got too cocky…. This hurts
https://m.dw.com/en/no-ukraine-attack-in-the-coming-month-says-russias-eu-ambassador/a-60792647 No.506589
>>506588I heard there are some excellent videos of the battle for the airport… Anyone have links?
No.506596
>>506595>let's fight in inter imperialist wars comrades!SPD moment
No.506599
>>506591This is great but is there a liveleak version?
No.506602
>>506601Sun is rising in Kiev. Still no invasion. It’s not happening.
No.506604
Wow I can't believe it. Theres no invasion. Wow. Wow. But the intelligence agencies… they told me there would be one?
No.506605
>9 threads in
<The nothingburger only gets emptier
Impressive
No.506608
>>506606 yes lol
so much propaganda form the west No.506609
>>506607https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prizrak_BrigadeOne of the battalions, nothing much to it. Stop schizoing over symbols you absolute anglo
No.506610
>>506597My man Black Lenin on the right
No.506614
>China says U.S. is exaggerating Russian threat to Ukraine-ReutersBEIJING, Feb 16 (Reuters) - China accused the United States of "playing up the threat of warfare and creating tension", as U.S. President Joe Biden warned that more than 150,000 Russian troops were still massed near Ukraine's borders following Moscow's announcement of a partial pullback.
Western nations have suggested arms control and confidence-building steps to defuse the stand-off, which has prompted them to urge their citizens to leave Ukraine because an attack could come at any time. Russia denies it has any plans to invade.
"Such persistent hyping up and disinformation by some Western countries will create turbulence and uncertainty to the world full of challenges, and intensify distress and division," Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin told reporters at a regular briefing in Beijing on Wednesday.
"We hope relevant parties will stop such disinformation campaigns and do more to benefit peace, mutual trust and cooperation."
China has been criticised for its stance on Ukraine by some Western leaders, including Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison.
"The leadership of the two heads of state, China and Russia, always work to develop long term good neighbourliness and mutually beneficial cooperative relationship on the basis of non-alliance, non-confrontation and non-targeting of third countries," spokesman Wang added.
https://www.reuters.com/world/china-says-us-is-exaggerating-russian-threat-ukraine-2022-02-16/ No.506616
>>506507of course not
their military expenditure is tiny in comparison, their entire economy is the size of the italian one
its over
No.506617
>>506616They have nukes and who’s willing to die for ukraine
No.506618
>>506617>who’s willing to die for ukraineApparently the chinlets. They still believe that they may finally get the longed for Lebensraum. LOL
Fucking suicidal death cultists as always…
No.506620
>>506619I’d like to see the footage of him getting lit up by russian artillery or airstrikes
No.506622
>>506613>terrain deminingWhat use would this be to Ukraine if they're being invaded? Surely they'd only need to remove mines if they're moving into territory the enemy has mined, i.e. if they are invading Russia.
No.506624
>>506621Bitch I want him to be on a Liveleak video unironically.
In minecraft In real life.
No.506628
JESUS CHRIST GUYS TURN ON CNN PUTIN JUST HIT THE TOWERS OH MY GOD
No.506629
>>506619He'll talk a lot of shit from hs cuckshed, but ultimately he's a grifter, he won't endanger himself.
Can you imagine that faggot trying to hike across the Ukrainian countryside in full kit and getting shot at?
No.506630
>>506629Pretty funny to imagine actually
No.506632
>>506606Ukraine used literal nazis to keep Odessa and Kharkov. Nazis had a free reign there for some time, even, with nobody getting punished for Odessa burning, including burning of a pregnant woman
No.506633
>>506631>BritsProbably not even aware of what's going on they just say whatever at this point
No.506639
>>506638Based Russia trolling NATO. Invasion day, every day!
No.506643
ITTTTTTTTTTS HAPPENINGGGGGGGGGGG
No.506644
>>506634something that you and i are not privy to, so stop spending too much time worrying about it
No.506645
>>506642Are we expecting more threats?
No.506647
Feb 16th. 3:00 AM, still not invasion despite The Mirror said it so. Must be weird to be Ukrainian right now.
No.506648
>>506581We are seeing a lot facewashing of the western media of these nazis. History being repeated all over again when churchill praised hitler
I swear god, the brits fucking deserved it, and if this shit goes again, they will fucking deserve it again.
No.506649
>>506646the grills finally heatin boys
No.506654
>>506653Where you getting these screencaps from?
No.506657
Critical support for Russian neonazism.
>inb4 based
No.506663
holy FUCK these people are literally going to strangle Russia to death by any and all reckless and destabilizing means based on the nothingburger to end all nothingburgers. NOTHING is happening and NOTHING will happen and these unhinged maniacs at the wheel will push the entirety of the globe to the brink of nuclear war based on SHIT THAT DOESN'T EVEN EXIST
No.506665
>>506663>strangle Russia to deaththat's what you get for being capitalist
No.506666
>>506665Cuba and the DPRK get strangled even harder
No.506667
>>506665yes, im sure the world will be much better off with america's unipolar dominance rather than capitalists fighting themselves and tearing each other down
No.506668
>>506667Don't worry Putin still have his mansions and his yachts he will be ok
No.506669
>>506665Based NATO antiimperialist anticapitalists!
No.506670
>>506491What pressure lol? It's NATO and Russia ramping up war scares and jointly suppressing the working class, there's no rivalry, just rhetoric.
No.506671
>>506663>holy FUCK these people are literally going to strangle Russia to death by any and all reckless and destabilizing means based on the nothingburger to end all nothingburgers.The worst thing they can do is cut Russia completely off from the SWIFT financial system and that will push the Russians, the Chinese, and a few others like Iran to make a competing financial system that is big enough that most countries in the world will have to buy into it, even Europe. It would cause Russia (mostly Russian population) a lot of short term hurt but in the long run it would probably strengthen them. And the US would face a very real risk that their sanctions will become mostly toothless, that's probably not worth the tradeoff.
No.506675
>>506671Note that Russia already has contingencies for a SWIFT ban, they also moved away from mastercard/visa technologies for a homebrewed "mir" version, and they are secure food production wise. It's absolutely certain that the big sanctions EU and US contemplate wouldn't have full effect, but we don't know to what extent. So imposing those sanctions would be a huge gamble like you said.
No.506677
>>506667Who said anything about "better"? Capitalism will be objectively more destabilized in a unipolar world.
No.506678
>>506652Anyone got a translation for the moonrunes?
No.506679
>>506677>more destabilized in a unipolar worlddoubt.jpg
No.506681
>>506667capitalists don't fight themselves, the people they dominate do, ideally the ukrainian and the russian proles should unite and topple their governments to stop this barbarism and the correct stance of communists around the world should be to oppose war. But lots of hyper online kids with an authority fetish want an inter imperialist conflict so they can sheer for the "underdog", in fact I bet a lot of people here would support Mussolini and his "proletarian nation" concept against anglo french imperialism if they lived 100 years ago. Fucking retards
No.506682
>>506680Damn, so aggressive, I knew it would be some bullshit.
No.506683
>>506681>capitalists don't fight themselves, the people they dominate doThe US wants to be the seller of natural gas to Germany instead of Russia. I don't know how this vulgar "all capitalists are perfectly aligned with each other" meme started but it's retarded
No.506684
Are we still at confirmed fizzle?
No.506685
>>506673>ShariyRandom blogger living in Europe who makes Ukrainians seethe. He isn't even good, lol
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVPYbobPRzz0SjinWekjUBwHave no idea who's Guzhva, though
No.506686
>>506684we are at fizzle, with NATO, EU and US manically trying to get a fire going
No.506687
>>506637If Ukraine doesn't uphold Minsk - Russia recognizes Donetsk and Luhansk. Quite a symmetrical answer, tbh
No.506688
How expensive is it to maintain a high level of readiness? What if this is the new tactic, if satellites are so fugging powerful that everyone else can see your every move, you might as well keep them guessing on when you'll attack.
No.506689
>>506687 they are even propose giving amnesty to war criminals and ukraine is just like no
>Provide pardon and amnesty by way of enacting a law that forbids persecution and punishment of persons in relation to events that took place in particular districts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts of Ukraine.
>Provide release and exchange of all hostages and illegally held persons, based on the principle of "all for all". This process has to end – at the latest – on the fifth day after the pullout (of weapons).
>Accordingly, the DPR and LPR announced on 6 October that their planned elections had been postponed until 21 February 2016.[77] Local elections in the rest of Ukraine went ahead on 25 October 2015. Following the postponement, German foreign minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said that if OSCE observers verified that the planned elections to be held in the separatist areas were in accordance with Ukrainian law and Minsk II, the "law on special status" for these areas would come into immediate effect.[78]
>On 18 April 2016 the planned (organised by the DPR and LPR) local elections were postponed from 20 April to 24 July 2016.[79] On 22 July 2016 these DPR and LPR elections were again postponed to 6 November 2016.[80] On 2 October 2016 the DPR and LPR held "primaries" in which voters nominated candidates for the 6 November 2016 elections.[81] Ukraine denounced these "primaries" as illegal.[81] On 4 November 2016 both DPR and LPR postponed their local elections "until further notice"; head of the DPR Zakharchenko added that "In 2017, we will hold elections under the Minsk agreements, or we will hold them independently."
>Elections for the People's Council of the Donetsk People's Republic and the People's Council of the Luhansk People's Republic were organised and held by the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics on 11 November 2018.[82]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_Protocol No.506691
Nothingburger, nothingburger, nothingburger!
No.506692
yum
No.506693
friendly reminder that this NATO casus belli in Ukraine against Russia is literally the same strategy as Hitler, funny to keep in mind when the US ask Germany to own up to its "historical responsability"
No.506694
>>506664Those tankies should have the standard woljak face.
No.506697
I'm always right. Ffs I'm in my 30s, I've seen this nothingburger sing and dance every 5 to 10 years. Welcome to real world geopolitik zoomers, I know it's hard to accept but this is the normal cycle.
No.506698
>>506696Wait a minute, yanukovich didn't have the chance to earn one single penny from the EU, and now they have all of a sudden this budged? lmao.
No.506699
Do you guys think that the US NATO actually believes Ukraine can hold off against Russia?
No.506700
>>506699Even if Russia really wants to invade Ukraine up to where they find popular support, NATO, as happened in Georgia, will not help at all. Not happened with Osetia, not gonna happen this time.
No.506701
>>506699Of course not, they will only sell weapons to ukrainians and impose sanctions and probably kill the gas pipeline. Nato would definitely not send troops in
No.506702
>>506700>>506701Not asking if NATO is gonna involve itself with troops.
No.506703
>>506702No, of course, they don't believe it. That's their rhetoric to see if a fire starts. They want a reason to halt NS-II, and it seems they are pushing for a false flag in whatever plausible way, but they won't intervene.
No.506704
>>506688I've seen speculated that it is russia plan to keep ukraine on a readiness state it cant afford to force usa to fully fund it or let it collapse economically
No.506705
>>506704Russia does not have the economic muscle to do so. Their economy also suffers from this spectacle, see Rubble vs. Dollar appreciation/depreciation historical data.
No.506706
>>506696im fucking mad, my country will fund a big chunk of that shit…. all this to keep nato pet nazis and a ww3 risk afloat, not even mentioning gas prices
No.506707
>>506705well it was argued that they can afford to keep this up longer than the west
No.506709
Putin is close to winning in UkraineMarkets bet a Western sell-out on Mr Putin’s terms is the most likely outcomeRussia has amassed foreign exchange reserves of $635bn, the fifth highest in the world and rising. It has a national debt of 18pc of GDP, the sixth lowest in the world, and falling.
The country has cleaned up the banking system and has a well-run floating currency that lets the economy roll with the punches.
It has a budget surplus and does not rely on foreign investors to cover government spending. It has slashed its dependency on oil state revenues. The fiscal break-even cost of a barrel of oil fell to $52 last year, down from $115 before the invasion of Crimea in 2014.
It is the paradox of Vladimir Putin’s tenure that he runs one of the most orthodox policy regimes on the planet. “The macroeconomic team at the central bank and the treasury are exemplary,” said Christpher Granville from TS Lombard.
Mr Putin’s tight ship is a striking contrast to the prodigal socio-economic systems of the West, where money rains from helicopters and fiscal dominance prevails. “He is extremely conservative and rails against the dangers of debt,” said Chris Weafer from Macro-Advisory in Moscow.
The commodity boom is adding an extra $10bn a month to Kremlin coffers from oil and gas. It is being squirrelled away in the National Wellbeing Fund.
This rainy day reserve can be tapped as needed to cover social spending: pensions, child care, fertility bonuses for families, and mortgage subsidies for first-time buyers – components of Mr Putin’s levelling-up strategy for the 2020s.
The Kremlin could sever all gas flows to Europe – 41pc of the EU’s supply – for two years or more without running into serious financial buffers.The West talks of “devastating” sanctions if Mr Putin invades Ukraine. Tuesday is the turn of German Chancellor Olaf Scholz to repeat the warnings in Moscow, meekly in his case. There is theatre to this ritual, at best wishful thinking, at times masking economic self-interest.
The harsher truth was summed up by Russia’s ambassador to Sweden. “Excuse my language, but we couldn’t give a shit about western sanctions,” he told the Aftonbladet newspaper.
Washington says it will inflict much harsher punishment than in 2014, starting at the top of the escalation ladder. The Kremlin may already have calculated – accurately in my view – that the impact will in fact be less.
Post-Crimean sanctions coincided with a secular commodity bust, the main reason why Russian real disposable incomes were to slide by 12pc. This time they coincide with a secular commodity boom.
Russia today has a semi-autarkic economy, and its chief trade partner is China. The copious document signed by Mr Putin and Xi Jinping at the Beijing Winter Olympics – Entering a New Global Era – establishes a de facto authoritarian alliance.We should take the rhetoric with a pinch of salt. They remain two scorpions in a bottle, as amorous as Ribbentrop-Molotov lovers. But right now China has Russia’s back against the West, and this renders it impossible to enforce meaningful sanctions.
The Kremlin knows that Europe has vetoed the expulsion of Russia from the SWIFT network of international payments. “The West has to do something to save face but we expect nothing more than sanctions on two or three large Russian banks.
That would be disruptive but Russians are used to this. The only sanctions that would have any real impact is to try to kick Russia out of the global financial system altogether,” said Mr Granville.
“Obviously Russia would grow faster if it were integrated into Western supply chains but in a sense the damage has already happened since Crimea. Further measures would be more of the same,” he said.
It is clear that there will be no blockade of Russia’s energy nexus. Germany’s gas dependence is so total that Mr Scholz still cannot bring himself to state unequivocally that the Nord Stream 2 pipeline should be shelved after a full-blown invasion.
Whatever is done requires the unanimity of all 27 states and will therefore gravitate to the lowest common denominator.
“Europe can’t do without Russian energy, and it has nowhere else to turn. This is not just about gas: there are oil pipelines, as well as 2.5m barrels a day of refined products like aviation fuel and diesel,” said Macro-Advisory’s Mr Weafer.
Deliveries of liquefied natural gas, mostly from the US, have slowed the depletion rate of Europe’s gas reserves over the last month, with the help of mild weather.
But they are uncomfortably low – Austria (19pc), The Netherlands (24pc), France (28pc) – and global LNG capacity is stretched to the limits. A total Kremlin cut-off would bring Europe to its knees within weeks.
The White House thinks Mr Putin cannot achieve his $400bn investment plan to diversify the economy over the next decade without Western technology, but China can plug many gaps, and there is no chance of sustaining a hermetically sealed sanctions regime at global scale.
Mr Putin has an unrepeatable chance to smash the post-Cold War settlement and reassert Russian dominance over its near abroad. Nothing on the current menu of sanctions will alter his calculus.
If he steps back from an invasion over coming days it will be for one of two reasons. The first is that the US, Britain, and Turkey have shipped weapons to Ukraine that are sufficiently sophisticated to move the needle: anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles, and drones.Nato’s Eastern European states have held firm. The US and the UK have mobilised their cyberwarfare capability on behalf of the alliance. Washington has made it clear that it will support a guerrilla insurgency to raise the tariff of military occupation.
Mr Putin has to weigh the risk that Ukraine's battle-hardened reservists might put up stiffer resistance than expected and that a lightning strike on Kyiv might prove harder than it looks.
Almost nothing that core Europe is now doing has any bearing on this. The EU failed to heed the lesson of Russia’s seizure of Georgian territory in 2008. It continued disarming even as Russia armed further. It spent a decade obsessing over institutional architecture, and then trying to save monetary union from its own contradictions.
It lost sight of the greater strategic imperative during the European debt crisis, when states slashed spending on modern weaponry to meet arbitrary and pro-cyclical austerity targets. These were enormous errors of statecraft.
The other reason why Mr Putin may desist is if Germany and France have promised behind closed doors to give him what he wants without a war: Ukraine on a platter, stripped of sovereignty and locked into Moscow’s strategic orbit. To call it Finlandisation is a euphemism. It is closer to Russification.
We will find out soon enough what has been going on in these private sessions but it was revealing to see the ashen face and involuntary wince of Ukraine’s Volodymyr Zelensky as the German Chancellor spoke in Kyiv.
Mr Scholz did indeed seem to be pulling the rug from underneath his feet, deflating Ukraine’s hope of genuine independence with the soft-spoken words and careful precision of an employment lawyer, the Chancellor’s former job.
Markets are implicitly betting that a Western sell-out on Mr Putin’s terms is the likely outcome, and that Ukraine will be pressured into "voluntary" realignment – like the Czechs in 1938 – allowing business to continue as usual.Utter cynicism is usually the safest bet.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/02/15/putin-close-winning-ukraine/ No.506710
>>506696Its good to know my fucking money is used to finance Nazi weaponry. Brilliant.
I hope Putin rolls into Kiev ASAP
No.506715
Why are Europiggies so pathetically weak?
No.506716
Clearly you need America in Europe or else Putin would just do whatever the fuck he wants.
No.506717
>>506706>im fucking mad, my country will fund a big chunk of that shitIf you are mad, maybe you aren't the only one. I suspect many Euros are freezing their butts off right now and might not approve of NATO blocking the gas for no good reason. Organise a demonstration. It may spark something.
No.506722
AAAAAAAAAAA IT'S HAPPENING AAAAAAAAAAA
No.506724
HOLY SHIT, A "HOLY SHIT, A PLANE FLEW OVER MY HOUSE" WAS JUST POSTED IN THIS THREAD!
No.506725
>>506709Based and Redpilled.
No.506726
>>506720
>we must support the workers no matter how reactionary they may be Wew
No.506728
>>506727if degeneracy is your main concern about capitalism you can just go fash tbh, no hard feelings
No.506730
>>506728Fascism is just capitalism on life support. It wouldn't make a difference.
No.506731
>>506727Are you saying Hitler and Mussolini was right?
No.506733
>>506732>China has much stricter vaccine partiesI mean policies, not parties. And a better phrase for me to use would have been "covid policies"
No.506735
>>506647Imagine being in the Russian military right now.
No.506736
>>506670This is the least intelligent version of "muh both sides" I have heard.
No.506737
>>750658
the vast majority of army boys are a very different demographic from the seattle twitterite types. They by and large hail from rural areas and have conservative beliefs. All the kids I knew growing up who wanted to join the army were the funny accent having, hunting rifle, truck riding conservatives. Radlibs are a different demographic.
No.506738
>>750658I meant the part where you clearly have orders to defend and are running drills, while the West is yelling about how you're about to invade.
>>506737That doesn't work, because Russia has conscription.
No.506740
holy shit a pipeline was just built under my house
No.506742
>>506741 As you can see, with current political developments the creation of a Jewish state in Southern Ukraine has become a reality. Southern Ukraine was always considered a second homeland for Jews and most cities in Southern Ukraine were founded and settled by Jews and were centers of Judaism for thousands of years, “Russians” only acquired this territory in the 19th Century while the Khazarian empire existed there for centuries and Jews have been living there to this day. This way Russia doesn’t get this territory and it doesn’t fall to the control of the Fascist Ukronationalists.
As you can see from the map control of this territory currently dubbed “Heavenly Jerusalem” will allow Israel to control the entire Mediterranean basin and the straits of the Black Sea. Furthermore, any attack on Israel form the Middle East will be met with retaliatory nuclear strikes from Heavenly Jerusalem but not from Israel. As a result if they choose to retaliate they would have to fire back into Southern Ukraine and will get shot down by Russian AA systems in Crimea (they can’t tell if the nukes are gonna land in Crimea or elsewhere lol)
No.506743
>>506731>Are you saying Hitler and Mussolini was right?Hitler could be a socialist realism artist instead of Fuhrer if only German Revolution happened & Lenin helped Rosa & Karl Liebknecht.
While Mussolini was a depressed Marxist. Of course they got what they fuckin' deserve. But we need to know that if we don't exploit the so called "Inter-imperialist war" then there'll be no revolution anymore.
No.506744
>>506734I love how Israel can do whatever they want. Genocide palestine and the west doesn't care, bombing assad and Putin doesn't care, allying with china/russia and the US doesn't care.
Their only enemy is Iran and only because a crazy clergy is in power there.
No.506745
>>506727What an absolutely schizo meme. Are you saying both "i sleep" groups have a common cause? If you unironically believe this then why do you portray the union of the two as the enemy?
No.506746
>>506726Yes, but only if they're American. If they're Ukrainian they need to be shelled by the Russians.
No.506748
>>506746*Canadian
Forgot it was a separate country for a moment
No.506754
>>506747>Afghanistan gets invaded during the HOORAH Bush years where retard nationalism was through the roof>dumbass burgers constantly talking about taking out uncivilized "ragheads" and "sand niqqers">cut to nowadays<uhh ackshually sweaty (see what did i there teehee) your SJW war is over because i identify with these socially conservative Talibanman 20 years can make one hell of a difference
No.506756
>>506709This article has a decent analysis about Russia's abilities to weather sanctions but at the end it also shills for Europe to increase arms spending, so it's part advertisement for the weapons industry. Europe could have a friendly relationship with Russia if it wanted, on the basis of improving diplomacy.
No.506757
>>506756Europe will never be indepenant from America unless it actually increases arms spending.
No.506758
>>506757Europe will never ever be indepent no matter what they do because of their energy demands. If russia cuts off gas, they either let their economies collapse or become dependent of US LNG.
No.506760
>>506753>a field hospitalDidn't someone point out that if an actual invasion was in the works, this would be the type of shit we'd be seeing eg. supportive capabilties like field hospitals you build when you're expecting real casulties?
No.506761
>>506759 (me)
At the same time, this would close of the mediterranean, so no easy exports towards america through it, gotta go through Africa or the pacific ocean..
No.506762
>>506751You know what you said
>I love how Israel can do whatever they want.Also see
>>506755 No.506763
>>506755Iran and Israel were allies pre-revolution and even later as Israel supported them against Iraq. They have 0 opposed geopolitical goals, it's ideological.
After the Mullahs lose power because of puc rel, they will return to being allied.
No.506764
>>506760Yes, when Ukraine declared they would "de-occupy" Crimea, Russia took them seriously.
No.506765
>>506762It's called sarcasm, autist.
No.506767
Embedding error.
>>506763If only Saddam still alive & won
No.506769
>>506768yea, why is that way ?
No.506770
>>750738
>I don't understand sarcams, so I'm going to call you a fed.
No.506773
>>506763>Zoroastrian 7.7%holy based
No.506774
HOLY SHIT, A FED JUST CAME INTO MY HOUSE IN ORDER TO POST ON /LEFTYPOL/
No.506775
>>506720He's right but not for the reason he thinks…
No.506777
>>506757>Europe will never be indepenant from America unless it actually increases arms spending.Militarism is stupid, China has gained the ability to defy American influence by maxing it's industrial power, and doing military as an afterthought.
>>506759that's true but it's also vulnerable to naval power, something less radical than damming off an entire ocean, would be under water ocean current turbines substituted with nuclear power.
No.506778
>>506711Pessimism of the mind optimism of the will anon
No.506780
>>506753>>506760yeah this actually makes me think there might actually be an invasion. If Russia turns out to have been lying I'm never gonna let y'all live this one down. Unless of course British intelligence is wrong, or straight up lying. Which are both very likely.
No.506782
>>506763>the US/Israel alliance isn't geopolitical>the revolution had nothing to do with a resistance to the West who installed the ShahI have no idea what your point is
No.506783
>>506782Iran was allied with Israel even before the coup, besides the US and Israel were never really allies. The americans allways teamed up with the soviets to pressure israel into peace everytime the arab armies were defeated. Their only goal is to maintain the status quo and their support to Israel since the 70s is partly to bribe Israel into not taking over their neighbors and partly to give subsidies/contracts to the US military industrial complex.
No.506787
>>506783>their support to Israel since the 70s is partly to bribe Israel into not taking over their neighborsproofs?
No.506791
>>506784The US and NATO don't have any bases in Kazakhstan or Central Asia the last ones closed in 2014
No.506792
>>506783Israel was not nearly as powerful until after the post-Holocaust migration had ended, which was still happening during the coup. Israel was not yet a force able to destroy the Egyptians and Palestinians so easily. It's a very strange opinion that Iran and Israel would actually be great friends except for the Islamic Republic. You can't separate out the history of Western imperialism from the creation of these governments and sentiments.
No.506793
Don't have any bases in Pakistan anymore either
No.506794
Don't have any bases in Georgia, Armenia or Azerbaijan either
No.506795
>>506787The war of 1973 is the best examble. They panicked when egypt seemed to make progress and sended aid to Israel, when the battle turned before the aid even arrived they teamed up with the soviets to pressure Israel into making peace early.
They don't want anyone to dominate the ME.
No.506796
Meanwhile, our lad Bolsonaro is in Moscow to buy some fertilizers.
> The visit by Bolsonaro, who will meet with Putin Wednesday, is part of an attempt to improve trade with a strategic partner. The Brazilian government says it is seeking to ease restrictions imposed by the Kremlin on exports of products that the Latin American agricultural powerhouse desperately needs: 85% of all fertilizers used in Brazil are imported, and 22% of them come from Russia.
> Bolsonaro, who seeks re-election in October, has an interest in avoiding higher food costs that have helped to send inflation above 10% a year in Brazil. Rising prices coupled with an economic recession and his handling of the pandemic are all dragging on his popularity, with the latest opinion polls showing him losing the race to former President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva.
> “After throwing Brazil into unprecedented global isolation, Bolsonaro is trying to change such perception before the election because he knows he’ll be criticized for that during the campaign,” said Casaroes, who’s also a professor at the Getulio Vargas Foundation, an independent think-tank. “Bolsonaro is seen as a toxic leader by many countries.https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/bolsonaro-is-set-to-meet-with-putin-and-ukraine-isn-t-on-agenda-1.1723875 No.506797
>>506792>Israel was not nearly as powerful until after the post-Holocaust migration had ended, which was still happening during the coup. Israel was not yet a force able to destroy the Egyptians and Palestinians so easily.Okay right, besides palestinians, they didn't have military forced since their militias were beaten in 1947. But that doesn't matter, it's a fact that pre-coup Iran had good relations with Israel and recognized them.
>It's a very strange opinion that Iran and Israel would actually be great friends except for the Islamic Republic.I don't think so, they just don't have anything to fight over but have natural enemies in common, they are natural allies.
>You can't separate out the history of Western imperialism from the creation of these governments and sentiments.I don't think you know what you talking about, Israel was not founded by the west they kicked out the anglos, they have more in common with afrikaners, a strange mix of anti-colonialism, racial nationalism and supramisism over the more native population which reenforces itself, something unique completely seperate from imperialism, here it is even more muddied as most israeli jews are or have atleast one parent of jews that left the other MENA regions after 1947.
No.506798
> BRASILIA, Feb 16 (Reuters) - Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro met Russian fertilizer makers in Moscow on Wednesday and said they will double their supplies to Brazil where farmers are facing shortages.
> “The supply will be doubled,” he told reporters after attending a Russian-Brazilian business conference.https://www.reuters.com/article/russia-brazil-fertilizer-idAFS0N2TJ02QMission successful. The supply will be doubled.
No.506799
>>506768>>506769Or agnostic for that matter. We're not so different are we atheist bros?
No.506800
>>506797>Israel was not founded by the WestIsrael would not have succeeded without the Balfour declaration. Gaining autonomy from Britain does not change their long history of dependence on Western countries ( + USSR.) Iran's entire Islamic Republic is a reaction to Westerners installing the Shah and supporting Shia clergy to promote the ousting of the secular Mossadegh. Then that same clergy turned on their CIA handlers. It's you who doesn't know anything
No.506804
>>506800>Israel would not have succeeded without the Balfour declaration.And the USA wouldn't exist if Caesar drowned in the nile. Your point?
>Gaining autonomy from BritainYou are completely clueless
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_insurgency_in_Mandatory_Palestine>does not change their long history of dependence on Western countries ( + USSR.)What is even your argument? I genuinely have no idea.
>Iran's entire Islamic Republic is a reaction to Westerners installing the Shah No it is a reaction to the mismanagement and corruption under his regime.
>and supporting Shia clergy to promote the ousting of the secular Mossadegh. Ehh what? They wanted shia theocracy because they hate that they used shi'ism…?
>Then that same clergy turned on their CIA handlers. It's you who doesn't know anythingNo, the clergy used the general discontent of the population to mobilize a revolution.
No.506805
>>506768judging from the wording, I assumed it was an 'other' category
No.506806
HOLY SHIT GUYS, PUTIN JUST BROKE INTO MY HOUSE AND SHAT ON MY CHEST
No.506807
>>506806Pootin on you bitch.
No.506809
>>506804>And the USA wouldn't exist if Caesar drowned in the nile. Your point?That the history of these countries is inseparable from Western intervention
>You are completely cluelessPissrael fought back against the British after having been allies in wars and gained independence from them. They were not gifted it, that is not what I meant. But this does not mean that Israel was some strong independent movement who don't need no imperialist backers (who Iran obviously hate after the Shah regime). Again, the history of Israel is tied tightly to the history of greater powers.
>No it is a reaction to the mismanagement and corruption under his regime. You sound like a zionist shill at this point. Mossadegh was doing well and was democratically elected so it is the same thing. Iranians are not so stupid as to not know why he lost power.
>Ehh what? They wanted shia theocracy because they hate that they used shi'ism…?No, they funded all opposition to Mossadegh, some were the clerics, and eventually those people took power. I say that to draw a direct line from Western intervention to current Iranian government.
>No, the clergy used the general discontent of the population to mobilize a revolution.That doesn't contradict what I said. The CIA just didn't think the Shah would ever lose power. But he was secular too though, they were stupid.
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/iran/2018-03-07/new-findings-clerical-involvement-1953-coup-iran No.506810
>>506809>That the history of these countries is inseparable from Western interventionThat statement applies to the entire world, you are not saying anything.
>Pissrael fought back against the British after having been allies in wars and gained independence from them. Israel didn't exist then, don't be stupid, the jewish leadership openly stated that they do not accept the 1939 white paper, the more moderate zionist resisted non-violently but zionist orgs like Irgun fought the anglos the entire time.
>They were not gifted it, that is not what I meant. But this does not mean that Israel was some strong independent movement who don't need no imperialist backersThey didn't tho, the jewish militias were superior to the arab ones, and the arab nations (who were gifted independence) were not fighting seriously anyway. And I wouldn't call their actuall early backers, poland and chechoslovakia, imperialist nations.
>Again, the history of Israel is tied tightly to the history of greater powers.See my first point.
>You sound like a zionist shill at this point. Mossadegh was doing wellI was talking about the shah…
>I say that to draw a direct line from Western intervention to current Iranian government. Why should this matter to iranian-israeli relations? Israel was neither allied with britain nor the US when the coup happened, they had good relations with iran from the start.
No.506811
LUGANSK, February 17 - RIA Novosti. On Thursday morning, Ukrainian security forces fired on the territory of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic four times, including from mortars prohibited by the Minsk agreements, and then opened fire on another settlement, the LPR representative office at the Joint Center for Control and Coordination of the Ceasefire Regime (JCCC) told reporters ).
According to him, from 5:30 a.m. Moscow time, the Ukrainian security forces shelled the settlements of Sokolniki, Zolote-5, Veselenkoe and Nizhnee Lozovoe, controlled by the republic, using 120 and 82 mm mortars, grenade launchers and heavy machine guns.
https://ria.ru/20220217/ogon-1773243510.html?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop No.506812
>>506810>That statement applies to the entire world,So do you admit that competing for influence with the West who couped your leader for oil is not just 'ideological'?
>Israel didn't exist then, don't be stupid,Israel, Zionist settlers, whatever
>They didn't tho, the jewish militias were superior to the arab ones, and the arab nations (who were gifted independence) were not fighting seriously anyway. And I wouldn't call their actuall early backers, poland and chechoslovakia, imperialist nations.Ah yes, Israel could have remained as tiny loosely connected settlements that never gained real power, then Iran would never have found a problem with them, is that really your point?
>I was talking about the shah…I know that. The mismanagement of the Shah's regime
was western intervention, they were the same thing. Mossadegh was a good leader and the Iranians learned what happened to him and they responded, and the clergy took advantage of this response
>Why should this matter to iranian-israeli relations? Israel was neither allied with britain nor the US when the coup happened, they had good relations with iran from the start.Iran's current government is blowback against the West (which now includes Israel), which is not just an ideological opposition, because of the natural resources and geographic location Iran has which America would still like access to
No.506813
It’s hard to get any real analysis on this crisis. Everything is being portrayed in meme terms. Nations vs nations. “Geopolitics”
Sounds like a bunch of shit. What real contradictions are there between the Western capitalist class and Putin and the Russian Oligarchs? Gas to Europe? Even if all American LNG went to Europe American LNG capacity can’t substitute Russian gas even if it really wanted to and most US LNG exports go to Asia because of muh free market. Maybe US politicians would like the LNG to go to Europe but the actual corporations are shipping to Asia because it pays more. German capitalists have conflicting interests with US politicians and state department. For the latter it’s about prestige and “strategic interests” for the former it’s about profit. It remains a question weather they will even shutdown the pipeline if Russia invades. The German chancellor didn’t even answer that question.
Why would the Kremlin and it’s Oligarchs want to invade Ukraine? Ukraine has 5 oligarchs that pretty much own the entire country. The Kremlin on several occasions has struck deals with each of them. For the Kremlin they are probably easy to negotiate with. All have interests in both Russia and the West. All the fascist meme groups answer to them and each have their own fascist meme force. If they stopped paying them there would be no more fascist meme forces. The Ukrainian Oligarchy does not want to submit fully to the Kremlin. It doesn’t want to submit fully to the West either. If Ukraine gets swallowed by Western Capital if the likes of Soros and others buy everything then the Ukrainian Oligarchy is fucked. They want to remain “independent”. That’s why some of them sometimes come up with shit like this:
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/11/13/ukrainian-tycoon-kolomoiskys-change-of-heart-over-russia-in-quotes-a68157Russia even remains Ukraine’s main trading partner Ukranian exports grew by 15% to Russia in 2021 compared to 2020. However, the Oligarchs always backed the Euromaidan because they didn’t want to be swallowed up by Russia and it’s Oligarchs. And it’s been 7 years and despite everything Ukraine remains completely and utterly corrupt because the Oligarchy doesn’t want any “Western liberal reforms” either. They want to remain in power but are stuck between Russian and Western capital. It’s a question of who cucks who and when. Russia or the West. If Western capital cucks the Ukrainian Oligarchs or if Russian oligarchs cuck them. Ukrainian Oligarchs will be switching allegiance based on who is in danger of cucking them. What will probably happen tho is that Russia and the West will just divide them up. That will look all geopolitical and shit.
No.506814
LPR And DPR units are retuning fire on Ukrainian positions right now.
No.506815
>>506814I feel bad that you still believe their is something in this Nothingburger, LOL. I know the Dengists/Duginists don’t want to admit it but Putin is a pussy, 🤣.
No.506818
hey sizzlechads, i'm firing up the grill, what kind of burgers you want?
No.506819
>>506801Reddit is filled with glowies. It must be destroyed.
No.506820
>>506818Burger burgers of course.
No.506821
https://youtu.be/HfQEOVBXhK4Ukraine rebels accuse government forces of
mortar attacks
No.506822
>>506815We all need some emotion anon.
Sadly Putin is a massive cuck as you said.
No.506826
>>506825Fucking TNO-looking ass shit
No.506827
>>506826More like triumph of the will ukrainian cheap knock off vibe
No.506847
Are we sizzling?
No.506848
>>506847the fat dump im taking rn as I watch the Russian embassy produce smoke from a fire is definatly a sizzling experience, I guess
No.506849
>>506841 (me)
Btw these satanic trips are dedicated to based Lukashenko being based.
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>>506849 (me)
These dubs are also dedicated to Lukashenko btw.
No.506851
>>506840>evil russians attacking strategically vital kindergartens in the separatist region they're backingHMMMMMMMMMM
No.506852
any intensification?
No.506854
>>506853i did beforehand and the updates stopped for like 30 mins
No.506861
>>506858standard operation tactic of US & allies
No.506862
>>506861Tbh, should all this villages and towns near the battle frontier have been evacuated like, fucking 8 years ago?
No.506863
>>506862And then what? Move them further away from the border? By that you just lose ground to the enemy and let them advance. Clearly it's not about reclaiming the people (90%+ Russians) for Ukraine, just the clay.
No.506865
>>506864don't be daft
there's no draft
No.506867
>>506863>And then what? Move them further away from the border? By that you just lose ground to the enemy and let them advance.You stupid ass can't into subtext. When I said "evacuated" I meant the civilian population, not the military. What's the good of having the civilians so close to the border of an active conflict?
Of course Ukraine would mantain somewhat of a military force in there, what I'm saying is that them (luhansk) shelling at empty schools (which, I mean, why specifically a school) isn't that important, so why is Ukraine reacting so strongly to it?
Like, it's not like you're shelling children, the children left years ago, fuck, those children are on highschool or might even be working now.
So, that's what I'm saying is that, if Ukraine didn't evacuate the civilians, then Ukraine knows very well what it was doing, putting civilians on shelling distance is irresponsible. If they evacuated the people, then Ukraine crying cause they shell buildings with no people in them is stupid.
>Clearly it's not about reclaiming the people (90%+ Russians) for Ukraine, just the clay.When did I claim the contrary? Regardless, even if their interest is only the clay, having a civilian population so close to the battle frontier is bad PR in of itself.
No.506868
>>506862t. ameriuygha that's never been in an actual war
no, serving in the military doesn't count, amerisharts don't know what it's like to actually have your cities on the frontline
sarajevochads are laughing at you
No.506869
>>506867>the civilian population, not the militarythe "military" there is just the civilian pop, dude
No.506870
The us and NATO are the ultimate sizzlegang.
No.506871
>>506845They're burning the documents. Habbening soon.
No.506872
>>506869We're talking about the ukrainian side, the side that actually has an organized army of sorts. Recruits are not civilians. Also gotta add the polish mercenaries and ultra right-wing mercenaries as well, those aren't civilians.
>>506868The frontlines have been frozen for pretty much 8 years, there has been enough time to evacuate the local population from the ukrainian side. It's not like, the enemy has been advancing rapidly and we cannot evacuate enough people, it's that the frontlines have been at a literal stalemate for years.
No.506874
>>506845They are burning the dead Ukranians at the embassy after they worked them to death. It's Holodomor 2.0. The russians are nazis and the ukranians the jews.
If you are a supposed leftist you can not support Russia. Only the civilized world (US&EU) can defeat the barbarians (Russia, Belarus, China, etc.) now.
No.506879
>>506877>tanks shelled trotskybased tanks
No.506880
>>506877We had worse days on that frontline anon, with up to 100 violations in a single day,
The fact they're shelling with 122mm artillery is relevant though.
If they bring out the 152mm that could signal escalation.
No.506883
>>506881>>506882What? I haven't seen it, but it can't be that bad, right?
right?
No.506884
JOINING NATO IS THE ONLY WAY TO PRESERVE OUR TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY - GEORGIAN DEFENSE MINISTERhttps://twitter.com/UkrWarReport/status/1494260622871117830
<Doubling down on this shitThey're trying their best to force this to become an happening, aren't they?
No.506886
>>506884Can Georgia even apply? There are some geographical restrictions to NATO, even if it does get ridiculous and have Turkey in it.
No.506887
>>506886They can, but strictly speaking they cannot be admitted due to having ongoing territorial disputes, the absence of which is a prerequisite for joining NATO.
Still Georgians publicly stating this signals a jump in tensions.
No.506888
Rumors from the Donbass side that their lines have been broken through in one sector by Ukrainians, still waiting for confirmation.
Assume this to be false until proved otherwise.
No.506889
>>506887It looks like it's starting to sizzle don't you agree?
No.506890
>>506889Us is out for blood that's for sure.
Remains to see if they'll go full Dr.Strangelove or if sanity and diplomacy will prevail.
I'm still of the latter opinion but there are some (minor, for now) unsettling signs.
No.506891
>>506883Watch it in 2x. Voosh can only wish he could be this detached and this western chauvinist.
>>506889The habbening is the tension itself. The US is not about to just let this flop after so much hype. And nordstream 2 is still not approved.
No.506894
>>506888>Assume this to be false until proved otherwise.Then why do you report it, you tease?
No.506897
>>506893No not for now.
>>506894Yep
No.506898
>>506896I'm a liberal and here are the abstract principles the world should conform to:
>the MoP must remain in private hands>China bad>something about abortionWith these implemented a thousand years of prosperity and peace will reign on Earth and I will be crowned Emperor Adam I.
No.506902
>>506901Is he talking about Russia or about the US?
No.506905
here we go
No.506911
>Blinken cancels trip to go to UN meeting and talk about ebil roosians
some anti-trump conservative group was running ads about how Biden was standing up to "soviet aggression"
No.506915
‘
Russia must be destroyed’ – Ukraine envoyThe remark was made in a social media post and then deleted by a Ukrainian consul in Montenegro
https://www.rt.com/russia/549699-ukraine-russia-destroyed-hashtag/ No.506918
>>506709>Russia has amassed foreign exchange reserves of $635bn, the fifth highest in the world and rising. It has a national debt of 18pc of GDP, the sixth lowest in the world, and falling.Holy based. The b*nkoid fears the independent economy.
No.506922
>>506917>In many ways, this brings Russian troops right up to @NATO's doorstepThey are a sovereign nation and can do what they want, why would NATO be nervous? :^)
No.506926
Ukraine successfully blocking Nord Stream 2, Kiev claimsAccording to the Eastern European nation’s PM, the pipeline is a threat to the European continent
https://www.rt.com/russia/549674-ukraine-blocking-nord-stream/ No.506927
>>506923>>506924>>506926Hmm maybe there will actually be war?
No.506928
>>506925Will there be any livestream about this?
It might be time to activate Cytube again.
No.506929
>>506906No, but I will.
*click*
No.506930
>>506925>since the end of the Cold WarI fucking hate this shit. The "cold war" was a series of hot wars, and it never ended.
No.506931
>>506925https://twitter.com/gerrydogma/status/1494299217728348164?cxt=HHwWiIC9zZXO6LwpAAAA>>506928I think that might be a good idea, I'll join in/help set up a cytube stream when the UNSC meeting starts at 10.00 am EST (in 80 minutes).
No.506934
>>506709llmao the old soviet state planning coming into effect here to gut the worst impulses of liberalism
No.506936
>>506933Lol? What? Did someone give him the wrong notes. UK is really fucking up on this shit
No.506938
>>506932>putting nucler weapons in Belarusreal shit
No.506939
>>506937 The response was:
>"With no survivors" No.506941
>>506940the school was in the Donetsk side no?
No.506943
>>506941No it was actually on the Ukrainian side, north of Luhansk.
No.506944
>>506933>>506940>>506936Okay I looked it up and the kindergarten is in Luhansk apparently, so this comment makes more sense, most outlets are just saying 'in Ukraine' though and letting people make their own conclusions (sneaky sneaky)
No.506945
>>506944Officially still part of Ukraine
No.506947
>>506945True but just saying 'in Ukraine' gives the impression that it was the Russians shelling it
No.506948
>>506944>>506945It's in Ukraine on the Ukrainian's side, near Luhansk.
No.506949
>>506947Johnson is just a fucking retard and accidentally said it was a Russian false flag to make Ukrainians look bad. The kindergarten is in the Ukrop territory, near Luhansk, and they are blaming the LPR.
The reason it's notable is because he is a bongbrained retard and it suggests he got his notes mixed up and has said it's a false flag, when it's supposed to be a TRUE and HONEST warcrime by evil Putinbot Russians.
No.506950
>>506949Boris Johnson has a Russian name (Boris) and that makes him more of an expert on Russian matters than everybody ITT combined, so you should better shut your dirty mouth.
No.506951
>>506938Alexander NOCAPshenko strikes again.
No.506952
>>506949Okay, you're right, I just looked it up
No.506953
>Russia has sent its response to the US on its draft security proposals, per @ElenaChernenko.
>It says the US has ignored its core demands and vows a "military-technical response" – but insists that won't include any invasion of Ukraine.
No.506954
>>506946https://ria.ru/20220217/posol-1773369117.htmlMOSCOW, 17 Feb - RIA Novosti. Russia has expelled U.S. Deputy Ambassador to Moscow Bart Gorman, diplomatic mission spokesman Jason Rebholz told RIA Novosti.
"Russia has expelled U.S. Deputy Chief of Mission (DCM) in Russia Bart Gorman. Gorman was the second most important official in the U.S. embassy in Moscow after the ambassador and a key member of the embassy's top leadership," he said.
Rebholz told the agency that Gorman had a valid visa and had been in Russia for less than three years.
Washington considers the diplomat's expulsion an "escalatory step" and is considering possible retaliatory measures, the RIA Novosti interlocutor added.
Relations between Russia and the West have become even more strained in recent months, with the situation around Ukraine worsening. Washington and Brussels accuse Moscow of preparing for an "invasion," claiming that Russian troops are being brought to the border with the neighboring state. Against this background, the North Atlantic Alliance is increasing its presence in Eastern Europe by sending additional forces and troops.
The Kremlin denies these accusations, claiming that they are a pretext to reinforce the bloc's military presence near Russia's borders. It also explained that the main reason for the escalation was the actions of the United States and NATO, which were "pumping" Ukraine with weapons, thus pushing it toward military adventures.
https://twitter.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1494309689475178496?cxt=HHwWgIC9mdqv7bwpAAAA No.506955
>>506953>Everyone looks at Ukraine<Russia strikes London and WashingtonA man can dream
No.506956
>>506840>>506841>>506843>>506844Why are we receiving now only reports from Donbas to Ukraine when for months Ukraine has shelled Donbas?
No.506959
Putang is saying he's "starting meetings to prepare a statement to the Federal Assembly"
No.506960
>Russian foreign Ministry comments on response: it is inappropriate to demand to withdraw troops from certain regions of Russia. Russia demands Ukraine implements Minsk agreements, the West should stop weapons delivery to Ukraine, withdraw what was delivered already, recall all instructors and advisors from Ukraine, prohibition of NATO joint exercises with Ukraine. Russia demands all U.S. troops and weapons withdrawal from Central and Eastern Europe, Baltic countries. Russia expects proposals on non-expansion of NATO. Russia highlights that questions on arms control cannot be considered separately from other points
So, these are the points for descalation:
1:Ukraine implements Minsk agreement.
2:The weapons deliveries towards Ukraine from NATO need to stop.
3:Withdraw what was already delivered to Ukraine.
4:Withdraw all NATO instructos and advisors from Ukraine.
5:Prohibit the cooperation of Ukraine in NATO joint exercises.
6:The total withdrawal of all US troops and weapons from Central and Eastern Europe (This is, Poland, The Baltic States, Slovakia, Romania, and probably even Germany and the Czech Republic
Do you think the US NATO will accept these 6 points?
No.506961
>>506960wtf is putin doing? does he want war?
No.506962
>>506961He is asking for the US to literally withdraw from Eastern Europe.
What's so wrong with it?
No.506964
>>506962Obviously the US isn't going to withdraw from a bunch of NATO countries
No.506965
>>506960The US isn't going to agree to these points as their encirclement plan be in tatters and goes to show how weak the US is. So no its going to end up with US refusing and counter offering with the Russians to back off which we know they arent
No.506966
>>506965So what is this leading up to?
No.506967
>>506960>Do you think the US NATO will accept these 6 points?they can't accept any of those on their own let alone all six, looks like a partition of Ukraine is back on the menu boys
No.506968
EVERYTIME IT FIZZLES, THE US MAKES IT SIZZLE AGAIN
Fizzlebros, the truth is that the game was rigged from the start.
No.506969
>>506966Big international conference in Zurich and world peace
No.506970
>>506959I saw, have you read when he's planning to give that address to the Duma? I haven't found that anywhere yet. I think that he might recognize the sovereignty of the republics.
No.506971
>>506965>the Russians to back offlmao, back off where? Into the Bering Sea?
No.506972
>>506960>>506961>>506964>>506965honestly, the only important point was the first one, the creation of a new European security agreement, everything else was negotiable. But the US categorically refused to even consider talking about that. Peak dumbfuckery tbhon considering the US' strategic state of trying to face off against China.
No.506973
>>506971Into the dustbin of history, the us hopes.
No.506974
>>506970Wasn't it KPRF who were putting that forward and United Russia weren't particularly pleased with the move?
No.506975
>>506971Into irrelevance and starvation like in the 90s.
That's the American liberal wet dream. That China submit to being cucked by the west like in the 1860s, and that Russia submit and starve like in the 90s. Then they can fucking live it up and go to brunch.
No.506977
ANNA news has teams in Donbass now, as least as far as Syria went, that's the biggest indicator shit is about to kick off
No.506978
>>506974United Russia brought it up themselves two days ago, but they just wanted to vote through a motion to do some government consultation on whether to recognise, while KPRF have been calling for Putin to unilaterally declare recognition of the republics.
No.506980
Guys:
Write 0 if you still believe this is a nothinburger.
Write 1 if you think this will lead to Russia declaring war to Ukraine.
Write 2 if you think NATO will just ignore the requirements to be a NATO country, and admit Ukraine (and probably Georgia as well) into NATO.
No.506983
>>506961No but it bothers him less than NATO
No.506984
>>506981Lol Boris getting his false flags confused. Also there have already been reports of shelling into Russian side that were ignored
No.506987
>>50698070% chance of 0, 30% chance of 1
No.506988
This would be a remarkably stupid way to stumble into WW3 so I could see it happening. Fits with the times.
No.506991
>>506990BTW supposedly the US has only been at Defcon 2 when the gulf war started AND when the missile crisis in Cuba.
No.506992
>>506986>>506990this is a private site, US defcon levels are never posted
No.506994
>>506909Lmao, given that Hasan is a twitch streamer who talks to libs all day, this is pretty good.
No.506995
>>506986So when are we going Nuclear Again?
No.506996
>>506990European command has been at DEFCON 2 for at least a week now, calm down happooner.
No.506998
>>506995>>506986Another nothing burger
It is more likely for the USA to invade russia, than it is for Russia to invade Ukraine.
Stop believing US media, the "invasion" was about to happen "tommorow" for the last 2 months, it is not going to happen.
No.506999
>>506996>Dude chill DEFCON 2 was declared a week ago Thats not a chill thing to say tbh
No.507001
>>5069802.
If something will happen, it will be NATO aggression.
No.507002
>>507001NATO aggression is already going on tho.
No.507004
Would be lethally funny if the US whipped itself up into such a frenzy that it starts a nuclear war
No.507006
Top Ukrainian official slams Western mediaUkraine is losing billions from Western “hysteria,” a leading Zelensky ally claims
“I think that in two or three weeks, when this phase vanishes, we should do a retrospective analysis of how giant, extremely well-known media outlets began spreading information worse than [Olga] Skabeyeva and [Vladimir] Solovyov,” Arakhamia said, referring to two Russian TV hosts known for their support of the Kremlin, whose shows are prohibited from being broadcast in Ukraine on the grounds that they spread disinformation.
“Blatant fakes in CNN, Bloomberg, the WSJ… we should study this, because these are elements of a hybrid war,” the politician went on.
The politician claimed that Ukraine has become a platform for a new European security agreement, but said that the publication of allegations about an incoming Russian invasion is costing the country “two to three billion dollars every month.”“We can’t borrow in foreign markets because we have simply insane rates,” he explained. “Many exporters are turning us down. We consider every day to be a loss for the economy, and then we share this information with our partners through the Foreign Ministry, because they must understand it. When somebody decides to move their embassy to Lviv, they should understand, that this sort of news costs the Ukrainian economy several hundred million dollars.”
https://www.rt.com/russia/549596-ukraine-losing-billions-western-hysteria/ No.507008
>>507002I mean in the sense of real combat going on.
No.507009
>>506998Russia is already invading Ukraine since 2014 though
No.507010
>>507009Russian paramilitaries are, not official russian troops
No.507014
>>507012>say in chat "The USA is lying">get instantly bannedthank you NATO for defending global freedumb and my right to free speech
No.507015
>>507012He sounds like an asshole, right? Kind of a weird trait for a diplomat.
No.507016
>>507014file a case, get it taken to the supreme court.
No.507019
>>507017>watching newsmaxfucking why
No.507020
>>507014>>507011🤔wonder if the nothinghappiners ITT and last 8 threads also post there to get banned.
No.507021
>>507019We need a jannie to change the stream
No.507025
>>507024>20 episodes later4 MINUTES
No.507028
>>507015he's an american diplomat, though. diplomacy is dead in america and has been for decades, it is only dictation of terms by force for them. so his smarmy smug attitude is expected
No.507029
>>507025>A few more episodes inYou have a bit of respite, 5 minutes to be exact!
No.507030
>>507024>>507025Is this what Lenin meant when he said that "there are weeks where decades happen"?
No.507031
>>507025<20 threads later"I swear guys its happening fizzlegang btfo amirite"
No.507032
>>507030there are burgers with nothing on them
No.507034
thread is full
someone make new thread and link it
and for the love of God stop posting the same OP again from a month ago
No.507035
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No.507036
>>507024This is the only explanation for US intelligence's claims on Russian invasion. They're operating on Freezer time
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