No.507037[Last 50 Posts]
Let's mantain the civil discussion we were having in the last thread.
Last thread got full.
FULL SIZZLEGANG FOR THE WIN
>Russian foreign Ministry comments on response: it is inappropriate to demand to withdraw troops from certain regions of Russia. Russia demands Ukraine implements Minsk agreements, the West should stop weapons delivery to Ukraine, withdraw what was delivered already, recall all instructors and advisors from Ukraine, prohibition of NATO joint exercises with Ukraine. Russia demands all U.S. troops and weapons withdrawal from Central and Eastern Europe, Baltic countries. Russia expects proposals on non-expansion of NATO. Russia highlights that questions on arms control cannot be considered separately from other points
So, these are the points for descalation:
1:Ukraine implements Minsk agreement.
2:The weapons deliveries towards Ukraine from NATO need to stop.
3:Withdraw what was already delivered to Ukraine.
4:Withdraw all NATO instructos and advisors from Ukraine.
5:Prohibit the cooperation of Ukraine in NATO joint exercises.
6:The total withdrawal of all US troops and weapons from Central and Eastern Europe (This is, Poland, The Baltic States, Slovakia, Romania, and probably even Germany and the Czech Republic
Do you think the US NATO will accept these 6 points?
I'm gonna post my opinion about the russian matter in here as well, it's my post, you can't do nothing about it:
Russia has tried to join NATO, twice.
No real reason for NATO to actually not accept, you would literally have world domination, aside from China.
This is because of a very simple reason, NATO wants to balkanize Russia. The very existence of Russia is a menace to NATO, and I don't mean this because they're "scared" of russian people, but how much territory they occupy.
Russia is the major country that will get a benefit from climate change, it's a country with a lot of natural resources because it literally owns about 1/8 of the planet or so.
It's the literal counterpart of the US, and the US wants it destroyes so it can truly be the world dominator without having no one to actually stand to them. Also Russia has lotsa nukes.
Not saying tho that Russia is an anti-imperialist nation, it is a capitalist nation and capitalism itself enables imperialism, it's a feature, not a dlc. But the thing is that NATO is searching for Russia is to be completely destroyed and balkanized in 5 states or more.
Also the Rimland theory is more important (at least that'd what NATO officials believe) than what you think.
So in thic conflict I support Russia for these reasons.
>Russia is actively defending itself against an outside invader that wants to mutilate it out of paranoia.
>Ukraine isn't worth a damn supporting, they have incorporated in their army neo-nazi paramilitaries.
>Ukraine is also a shithole that would be better under russian control… Probably (not that hard of a test tbh, being better than a comprador regime for NATO isn't that hard).
>More power to Russia means less power to the US, which will make it more aggressive. Supporting Russia is literally accelerationism to ww3, but accelerationism nonetheless, and no, I don't want ww3, I don't like to happen, but one thing is to not like war and the other is to delude oneself into believing that it will not happen, it will happen because it's the natural course of capitalism. This is more asking for a swift death than a prolonged, painful suffering under late stage capitalism.
>Seriously, fuck the Ukrainian goverment.
>In fact, fuck ALL nato states, including mine.
Despite this, I recognize that:
>Russia is a capitalist country. Thus means that it is imperialist because imperialism is the capitalist drive for profit natural course of action, read imperialism, the last stage of capitalism. Every capitalist country will become either imperialist, or imperialized, and Russia clearly isn't being imperialized as, say, Togo is.
>Russia is ruled by a capitalist class, the same class that killed the Soviet Union and thus killed AES.
>The russian state is actively smearing the soviet union, by example making the gulag archipelago a required reading in schools, meanwhile putting into a shrine a fake version of Stalin, deluding themselves into thinking he was a fascistic strong dictator instead of the antithesis of fascism which is why russian rightwingers love to say that they liked Stalin but hate Lenin, despite the former being literally a disciple and rightful succesor to Lenin's theories and politics.
Btw this also applies to China.
No.507044
>>507037>I'm gonna post my opinion about the russian matter in here as well, it's my post, you can't do nothing about it:it's shit
No.507046
>>507042I hereby dub this "the kindergarden war".
I called it first so now everybody has to call it that.
No.507049
>>507047In your opinion, what would it take to move the happeningcon up to 3?
No.507051
>>507049NATO troops in Ukraine
No.507052
>>507049A very big false flag by the Us that would push it all to the brink.
I'm saying this because for now we don't know what are Russia's next moves but we do know that:
1) Us is out for blood
2) Russia has NO intention to invade
No.507053
>>507049level 3 is unilateral russian invasion of donbas.
level 2 is nato involvement and ground war.
level 1 is nuclear exchange.
No.507054
>>507051Fair
>>507052Imo, that would leapfrog it to a 2
>>507053Fair
No.507056
>>507054Nevermind, it would be a three. I changed my mind.
No.507058
>>507049I would take it to level 3 if Ukraine actually started invading the DPR and the LPR, thus putting in motion the "double false flag" the US wants to use as Casus Belli.
No.507059
>>507052>2) Russia has NO intention to invadeThey send the opposite message by massing troops and building logistical infrastructure to support an invasion. So no we don't know that, unless you work at the Kremlin and are private to some information the rest of the world doesn't have.
No.507061
>>507059what is different about these troop movements from past years'? more troops?
No.507063
>>507059Have you ever seen an invasion preceded by months of nothing?
NATO has given tons upon tons of weaponry to Ukraine in the meanwhile, so what would for Russians the point of giving their opponent all this time?
No.507065
10 threads of nothing lol
No.507066
>>507060>>507063>>507064>hmmm today I will deny facts to own the US and nato, I am a marxist>>507063All invasions are preceded of not invasions and military build ups, the point of what Russia is doing is to build strength to have cards on the table in their struggle with NATO and the west, and that means letting the possibility of military conflict be a real one.
No.507067
>>507066Where are the proofs, anon?
No.507068
>>507066>hmmm today I will deny facts to own the US and nato, I am a marxistthe fact that gave FSLNanon is right, if they wanted to invade they wouldn't wait to ukraine get weapons. cope.
No.507069
>>507067On the Ukrainian border, in the black sea, in the diplomatic channels between Russia and the western countries.
No.507070
>>507069by that logic, NATO has been about to invade Russia for decades now
No.507071
>>507068They don't "want" to invade, Russia wants Ukraine in its sphere one way or another, with a military invasion being a possibility.
No.507072
>>507065the class traitor is back
No.507073
>>507070Nuclear powers don't invade each other. Please learn geopolitics 101 before doing reddit snarky remarks.
No.507074
>>507071>They don't "want" to invade,Post of FSLNanon:
>>2) Russia has NO intention to invadeyour post:
>They send the opposite message by massing troops and building logistical infrastructure to support an invasion. So no we don't know that, unless you work at the Kremlin and are private to some information the rest of the world doesn't have.
>dilate. No.507075
>>507073Of course, Russia should let itself become encircled because they should simply trust NATO. Something that US/NATO would never accept and has broken its trustworthiness many times over for that exact reason
>Please learn geopolitics 101 before doing reddit snarky remarks.Lol the irony
No.507076
>>507074You don't understand how diplomacy and statecraft work. It's brinkmanship, saying Russia doesn't have any intention to invade is like saying Cuba didn't had any intentions to use nukes in 62. They don't "want" to, but they want to let the threat be the realest possible in order to achieve strategic objectives.
No.507077
>>507075>Of course, Russia should let itself become encircled because they should simply trust NATO. Who said anything about "accept"? Wtf could russia have done about it?
No.507078
>>507075Where did I say that? Shut the fuck up please, being a good Marxist doesn't mean abandoning common sense and fighting strawmen.
No.507079
>>507077Annex Crimea/support war in Donbass out of legitimate security concerns that NATO isn't listening to?
>>507078You literally said that Russia should know that it because it has nukes, that it could not have legitimate security concerns. Idiotic, naive, childish, go back to reddit.
No.507080
>>507079so you're saying russia should invade donbass, but the other dude's CIA for entertaining the possibility that they will.
No.507081
>>507078What's so wrong with Russia moving troops around his country?
No.507082
>>507080Nope, Russia didn't have to invade donbass and they got what they wanted. I'm saying they had a real reason to support a proxy war there, not because Nuclear Putler is le taking over the world!1
No.507083
>all this just to kill a pipeline
No.507084
>>507055>US "will gladly accept any criticism" if there is not an invasionfuck, sizzle confirmed
No.507085
>>507082>not because Nuclear Putler is le taking over the world!1keep arguing with the voices in your head.
No.507087
>>507085Keep coping bitch
No.507088
>>507085Why then would Russia invade Ukraine? Because Putin is le crazy madman? They have Minsk already
No.507089
>>507076>is like saying Cuba didn't had any intentions to use nukes in 62Except Cubans said explicitly they intended to use the Cuban missiles, even immolate themselves in pro of the global revolution. What are you saying or pretending to imply with this strawman argument?
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/news/cuba/2018-01-11/dark-beyond-darkness-cuban-missile-crisis-bookhttps://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB449/https://elpais.com/diario/1989/01/30/internacional/602118013_850215.html No.507090
HOLY SHIT, TURN ON THE TV, PUTIN JUST TRANSFORMED INTO VLADOLF PUTLER AND IS RANTING ABOUT THE JEWISH ANGLOS
No.507091
>>507090wtf, based
GOTT STRAFE ENGLAND No.507092
vladolf putler just flew over my house
No.507093
>>507088>tells me why russia should invade ukraine>asks me why russia would invade ukraineAre you ok anon?
No.507094
So has Germany or EU made any updates on Nordstream 2?
No.507099
>>507073Yeah, but the fact they have been encircled, and the U.S. is practicing piracy (stealing oil tanks, and such) tells me they want to strangle their economies by doing modern piracy.
No.507101
>>507099This shit doesn't work.
No.507103
@752343
aw. the poster is retarded
No.507104
Dubs and war within a few days
No.507105
>>507102Starting to think Ukraine and Russia are taking the possibility of war a lot more seriously than US does.
But fucking around with Russia's security just to kill a pipeline to your puppet is exactly the sort of short-sighted play that US would make, and would lead to full scale disaster.
No.507106
>>507101I never said it was easy for the U.S. "workable" but if they are allowed to, they would do it.
No.507107
>>507102>i hate it, it's gay, and it's nonsenselol
No.507108
>>507102but they already negotiated - minsk ii
No.507112
>>507108Zelensky is a literal clown
No.507113
Why is Zelensky such a retard? He changes his stance every five minutes. Has somebody put shit in his pants?
No.507115
It's just boring at this point, either do something or fuck off faggots
No.507116
>>507113He's literally a figurehead puppet of the oligarch establishment and NATO.
Like Macron, his gay party doesn't even have any concrete positions. He's the Ukrainian Buttigieg.
No.507117
>>507105>But fucking around with Russia's security just to kill a pipeline to your puppet is exactly the sort of short-sighted play that US would make, and would lead to full scale disaster.Well you know the saying, the history of international relations is essentially made of mistakes in calculations
No.507118
>>507105The end result of this shit is the USA alienating the EU further away from itself. It's short sighted because their foreign policy is what you get when you allow the profit-motive dictate your politics. It's insanity on the one hand because it furthers their collapse, but rational from the standpoint of maximizing profits in the here and now.
No.507119
>>507116But Adam Something told me he's the second coming of Jesus!
No.507120
>>507113That happens when you don't have sovereignty, you are a vassal/puppet state. Learn that for the rest of your life because will save you time recognizing what states deserve a little bit of praising or support upon self-determination, and which doesn't.
No.507121
>>507119adam is something of a cuck and a bitch to the west, if an minister of the west came and asked to fuck his wife he would soy at the opportunity of democracy entering his woman.
No.507122
>>507116>>507120You would think he would be given a consistent stance though. I like to imagine random NATO countries ringing him up and yelling at him telling him to give contradictory statements as he runs around panicking.
No.507125
>>507098ebic, take all my upvoots
No.507130
>>507037Reminder to call it THE Ukraine
No.507131
>>507130lol, i'm out of the loop, what's the meaning?
No.507134
>>507131They get annoyed when you call it the Ukraine as it's the geographical region, the country is just called Ukraine. It's a common way of saying it though (like the Netherlands) but they get annoyed as it's perceived as denying them statehood.
No.507136
>>507135he saved the thumbnail
No.507137
>>507134thank you, the anon
No.507138
>>507133>https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1494379535768309760?cxt=HHwWgMCq0aWRjb0pAAAA>>Russian troops allegedly returning to their permanent deployments.
>All of the seething in the replies.Lol NATOstanis are begging for an invasion just so they can be right about Putler
No.507139
>>507135It's very much possible, gonna download these.
>>507128The record is around 100 iirc, so 45 isn't that much.
No.507140
>>507065This
>>507072Why do you call him a "Class Traitor" for being an Anti-Revisionist Marxist-Leninist (he is a Hoxhaist while I am a Maoist) and refusing to take sides in Inter-Imperialist conflicts and be a Bootlicker for Dengist China and Putinist Russia?
No.507142
>>507140begone schizo defending schizo
No.507143
>Thread 10.0
No.507144
>>507141height discrimination is just as bad as being a racist. fuck off back to /pol/
No.507146
>>507144>height discrimination is just as bad as being a racistRemember the heightocaust? The nazis killed 7 million manlets. That's one million more than the jews they killed. I would say heightism is even WORSE than racism.
No.507147
>>507145"The height of dragon energy"
t.Haz
(Probs still coping)
No.507148
>>507142Is Anti-Revisonism "Schizo" to you Revisionist?
No.507149
>>507145there's no way he's 5'7 ft (170 cm)
No.507150
>>507146The Tallocaust is coming, healthy-backlets
No.507153
>>507146You joke, but the memory of the massacre of the manlets at Tinyman Square is fresh in everyone's minds. Have you no shame?
No.507155
>>507145Slavs will only respect a manlet leader, they are based
No.507156
>>507140>while I am a MaoistNo, sir. You are a clown.
No.507161
>>507151I get that it is supposed to be "Satirical", but these Memes about Stalin supposedly killing "Millions" of Ukrainians really bother me. This is due to the fact that they simultaneously parrot both the Anti-Communist "Holodomor" conspiracy theory created by the Nazis, and the Great Russian Chauvinist Revisionist history promoted by Dugin and Putin that Stalin was a "Russian Nationalist", who tried to Russify all Non-Russian ethnic groups (this is especially laughable consider Stalin was Georgian, a ethnic group oppressed by the Russian Empire). In reality, Stalin was a Anti-Revisionist Marxist-Leninist who staunchly opposed Great Russian Chauvinism and upheld Lenins principle of Self-Determination for all Oppressed Nations and thus allowed every major ethnic group to have their own SSR, including Ukrainians.
No.507164
>>507163Are you a faggot or why do you care about another man's height?
No.507166
>>507161Does Ukrainian peoples right to self determination mean they get to determine what happens to Crimea and DPR? Is a nation a people or a plot of land?
No.507167
>>507161socialism in one country is revisionism.
TROTSKY GANG No.507168
>>507164As Mao said: "No height, no right to speak."
No.507169
>>507168actually the quote is "no drip, no right to speak."
No.507170
What a garbage thread, I can't wait till this nothingburger gets shoved into the annals of history. From the first I knew this was just normal geopolitical maneuvering and nothing else. I give it one month before Ukraine threads finally die off.
No.507172
>>507170It's a something burger since these are major geopolitical plays, war or not.
No.507173
>>507172t h i s
the nothingburgerers won't rest until a nuke is launched
No.507174
>>507170yes, but you never know which one will be the one
before ww1 you had 2 or 3 morrocan crises, the crisis regarding the building of the baghdad railroad, ruso-japanese war, annexation of bosnia etc. etc.;
No.507175
The world economy will pay a heavy price if the West imposes new sanctions on Moscow, the US Treasury warnsIf Russia launches an invasion of Ukraine, the global economy will suffer an inevitable fallout as a result of newly unleashed Western sanctions on Moscow, the US Treasury secretary warned on Wednesday.
Speaking to French news agency AFP, Janet Yellen explained that the US and its European allies are preparing a “very substantial package of sanctions that will have severe consequences for the Russian economy.”
However, despite Washington wanting the highest cost to fall on Moscow, she admitted that there would be “some global fallout” from the measures.
The primary concern of Washington and Brussels is the potential impact of economic sanctions on the global energy market. As a major exporter of energy, Moscow supplies around 40% of the gas used by EU countries. The bloc’s energy security could be in danger if Moscow were to cut off its gas pipelines in retaliation for economic sanctions, some have claimed. And even if Russia doesn’t limit its supply, energy prices could still rise even further in the event of a large-scale conflict in Europe.
https://www.rt.com/russia/549679-us-warns-global-fallout/ No.507176
its a good opportunity to study propaganda in real time
No.507177
Ukraine reveals new gun planAllowing people in Ukraine to legally own handguns would greatly improve national security against outside “aggressors,” Ukraine’s Defense Minister Aleksey Reznikov told news agency RBK Ukraine on Thursday. The move would “increase citizens’ personal security, help law enforcement and certainly reduce crime rates,” the minister claims.
Reznikov said on Thursday he has been a “longtime gun-rights supporter”, adding that “as a lawyer” he believes a gun law is long overdue in Ukraine. In late 2021, the local UNIAN news agency published a piece calling Ukraine “virtually the only nation in Europe lacking a gun law.”
The defense minister has advocated the idea of people “getting a right to … carry handguns” and pointed to the experience of “many other nations.” Reznikov also argued that it would help Ukraine prevent a potential aggression.
https://www.rt.com/russia/549759-ukraine-guns-legalize-defense-minister/
>school shootings incoming in Ukraine No.507180
>>507177Ah yes let's flood a country poor as fuck with NATO guns and let's distribute them around to everyone.
Mexico tier violence in 3 2 1
No.507181
its also also a great time to check which news sources and e-celebs are attempting to funnel pro war shit directly into you mouth
a lot of people have decided to show their entire ass over this and it is kind of a iraq style watershed split
No.507182
>>507177based ukros planning to engage in protracted people's war
No.507184
>>507180it's fucking insane
they are fucking up their own country right before our eyes
No.507185
>>507183>political allegiance = ethnicityburger moment
No.507186
>>507173>>507172Or you can just admit you're horny for a war instead of soberly making a materialist analysis of the situation. The only people who are beating this war drum is the US state department and the majority of the media. Almost every single independent news source understands that this is the norm and has happened before. How is it that an independent liberal news source like NPR and a bunch of others on the ground have a better material analysis of this Ukraine thing? Please tell me, that's the only thing I want you to answer. Please tell me your schizo analysis based on your need for war.
No.507189
Putin is losing the propaganda war now. Nato and co has played this well today
No.507192
>>507180>>507184>no don't let the poors have guns nooolibtard
No.507193
>>507183If you read this link to the 2001 Ukrainian census results
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Census_(2001)#National_structure you will see that Crimea is majority ethnic Russian, while the Donbass is majority ethnic Ukrainian. I don't know what you are trying to insinuate, LOL.
No.507194
>>507190Indeed, we should have russia be sovereign over every russian speaker and ukraine be sovereign over every ukrainian speaker. Just abolish the border already, since no no border is granular enough.
No.507195
excuse me, waiter?
i ordered a nothingburger but my geiger counter keeps going off
No.507196
>>507192>you should be happy that nazitown has guns to everyone.retard
No.507197
>>507192Yeah, dude, arming people in a country where fascists roam free, they pass anti-minority laws, and are puppets of the main imperialist country will assure a proletarian revolution and not ethnic cleansing, banditry, and reactionary terror against the populace.
No.507198
>>507180Mexico's violence is not because poor + guns, it's because it's a state bordering the US that is used to efficiently exploit proles labor so to sell cheap commodities to Americans. Serbia, Montenegro Uruguay have enormous amounts of guns but way less violence.
No.507199
>>507197The people you talk about already have enough guns and ammo to do this.
No.507200
>>507193>Donbass is majority ethnic UkrainianThe whole region is ~60/40 Ukranian/Russian but the major population centers are all >70% Russian and even including rural regions they vote more against Kiev.
I think that there are a lot of ethnic Ukrainians in the east that are aligned with Russia/Russian interests because the oligarchs are trying to sell them for a cheap profit.
How does the principle of self determination deal with the majority funding death squads to and purge Russians and their minority Ukrainian allies "collaborators" as traitors?
No.507201
>>507198…and Ukraine just willingly became the US's little butt buddy with nazis in charge, so it's even worse than Mexico
No.507202
>>507186There are some major things happening, like Germany (and maybe France?) potentially having a big rift with the rest of NATO due to crucial energy concerns. China's alliance with Russia has only been strengthened, and Europe looks pretty weak while stuck between the US and Russia. So there's plenty to discuss behind the current propaganda/misinformation war, which is also interesting to see play out.
No.507204
>>507186I'm
>>507172, I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I don't think there will be a war (at least not a full on war) and I really hope I am right.
What I'm saying is that the happening is precisely this, US escalating the situation, backing Germany into a corner, flooding Ukraine with guns. I disagree that this is the same as before. I think this time it is unique, and I say so because of how much money and political stake has gone into it.
I don't really get what the US plans. Because I don't believe they want war (at least not full on war), and this amount of clownery for Nordstream 2 seems entirely overboard. What is the outcome of this escalation? I don't get it.
Those saying that the US is merely doing a show of power, I think it's a bad analysis. There are other forces at play here. Russia has become a great ally of China, and they will continue to grow their ties and trade (especially hydrocarbons) these coming years.
I tend to side with the analysis of the folks over at Ahí les Va. This bullshit is a way to destabilize Russia (politically, economically, etc), with the long term goal of installing a government that does the US's bidding. Plus, I also think they want to completely capture the ruling class of Ukraine for strategic purposes. I am guessing that this bullshit includes a campaign they have going on where they are actively lubing the p/bussy of those oligarchs, brainwashing them with sweet promises and sweetheart deals. I think that the calls for evacuations we learned about in the past few days had something to do with this. "Let us get you to safety Mr. Porky. We'll give you a nice suite in New York for the time being. Also, we wanted to talk to you about …"
That's my take, but I'm in the dark mostly. It's incredibly opaque and the amount of fake news is insane. I also don't have any idea what the Russian government is doing right now, it's internal politics, it's stated interest in Ukraine, etc. This is mostly about the US escalating tensions for no fucking reason.
So no, I don't want war, and I expect and hope it won't happen. That doesn't mean that many people won't die, many surely will.
No.507205
>>507201I'm not disputing that. But unless Ukraine becomes an highly competitive platform to make cheap commodities for the consumers of richer neighboring countries it won't devolve in "Mexico tier violence". But yeah there are some nationalist crazies who want to ethnic cleanse some people and that could get ugly.
No.507207
>>507177give civilians guns so they engage with russian/separatist military and make for great headlines about civilian casualties. and of course not a word about the deplorable strategy of giving them guns in the first place! i love modern discourse (namely, the fact that it doesnt exist at all)
No.507208
>>507190I like how the second map is from the Ukranian wikipedia page on the Russian language while pic related is from the Russian wikipedia page on the Russian language. Anyway I suspet the second image is bullshit. Most of Ukraine speaks Russian. Even Zelensky and Poroshenko are native Russian speakers.
From the Russian wikipedia page:
The efforts of the Ukrainian government brought little tangible short-term results, so that the actual spread of the Russian language in Ukraine during the first 10-15 years of its independence, according to some sources, did not decrease, and according to others, even increased. For example, in 1989 in Ukraine, 80% of the total number of books sold were books in Russian[43], and in 2004, excluding textbooks, this figure was 95%[19]. The holdings of Ukrainian libraries consisted of 60% Russian-language literature[47]. In those regions of Ukraine where Russification has practically approached 100%, there has been practically no recovery of the Ukrainian environment. For example, in the Donetsk region, where the last Ukrainian school was closed in 1989[43], in 2003 only 4% of students were taught in Ukrainian[19] and 96% in Russian. Only 2% of films released in Ukraine in 2004 were in Ukrainian[19]. On the other hand, in the field of education, there were trends towards a reduction in instruction in Russian. For example, the number of kindergartens with Russian as the language of instruction decreased by 2001 to 22%, the number of schools to 29%, and the number of students studying in Russian to 22%[48]. See also Narrowing the scope of the functioning of the Russian language.
In 2004, in connection with the change of presidential power, talks about making the Ukrainian language more widespread in all spheres of Ukrainian life intensified. But things did not go further than talks and demonstration actions.
A significant part of the population (up to 30%), who consider Ukrainian as their native language, preferred to use Russian. Some researchers, analyzing these data, came to the conclusion that sufficient conditions were not created in Ukraine for the normal functioning of the Ukrainian language, and therefore a significant number of people with their native Ukrainian language were in an environment where they could not use it effectively[19].
According to a number of observers, the results of the 2001 census indicated that the Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine are the largest language community in Europe, whose language is not recognized as a state or official language[49], and represent the largest Russian-speaking community outside the Russian Federation[50]. According to some researchers, “survey results indicate that Ukraine is actually a bilingual country” (for example, a study by the Institute of Sociology of the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine (IS NASU)[51])
No.507209
>>507206oh no we got too cocky tradbros
No.507210
>>507204The US is freaking out because it has no answers to the China-Russia alliance steadily chipping away at its entire imperial network of value collection by organizing it all under one valve that China now holds in its hand rather than many disparate small intakes that the US had more direct control over. Russia is in particular attempting to drive a wedge between the US and the EU and all it has to do is keep stirring the pot while making offerings to the EU to pull them away from the US while forcing the US into unwinnable situations that keep making it less and less favorable for the US to keep as a partner.
No.507211
>>507186How are the people you responded to 'horny for war'? The people saying "nothing is happening until war starts" are the people begging for war.
No.507212
>>507208it's probably bilingual vs monolingual?
No.507213
>>507202>There are some major things happening, like Germany (and maybe France?) potentially having a big rift with the rest of NATO due to crucial energy concerns. You don't have a good grasp of time. This was already written or what's the saying? The writing was on the wall. Germany has been becoming an independent power bloc for 10 years now, especially in these past 5 years. This tiny NATO thing is a normal song and dance and Germany and what not was already on that long road. History doesn't happen in one event overnight. This is the problems with zoomers that think every little event means a massive historical event. History moves slowly, true happenings happen over decades and centuries, wars are only a culmination of many many happenings.
Engels predicted WW1 because as early as 1890, everyone could see the rush to modernize and militarize. He saw it coming because it was something happening over years and years of social/economic/historical development.
I can tell you this based on history. We are not moving towards some endogenous crisis like a global war. The problems today are climate crisis and economic financial bubbles which cause bigger problems domestically than globally. Alot of problems today are internalized like even refugees and immigration. If there is anything we are moving towards it's civil crisis, maybe balkanization or civil wars or open execution of immigrants and refugees at borders which is happening.
No.507215
The absolute state of the Ukrainian military
>Two armored vehicles collide with each other during military exercises of the 🇺🇦 Ukrainian forces.>🙄 We are not starting yethttps://nitter.net/Intel_sky/status/1494113917802627074#m No.507216
>>507200Don't ask him tough questions, he will never answer and later on will exclaim no one answers his.
No.507217
>>507215I saw a video a couple of weeks back of them driving a BTR with a bunch of guys on the roof down the road and they fucking fly off the road into a ditch
No.507218
>>507217Holy kek please link
No.507219
>>507161Another based take. Keep it up King
No.507221
>>507215That impact costs some millions to repair, tbh.
No.507223
>>507222all this is gonna do is increase the bloodbath size because there retards are unorganized, good.
No.507224
>>507218I found a copy of it but it's apparently from years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2aou4dmFuk No.507227
>>507224That's worse than the Holodomor, Solzhenitsyn, and Chernobyl combined.
No.507229
>>507228can you stop with the pointless map dumb?
No.507231
>>507230you realize that p. much everyone ITT knows about this shit, right? you are basically spamming shit nobody needs or wants to see
No.507232
>>507230fucking stop, jackass.
No.507233
im already out of maps but you are making me want to find more
No.507234
>>507233you are going to get yourself banned
No.507235
>>507234i will continue to post relevant maps in generals for the benefit lurkers and libs
No.507236
>BREAKING: Reports of Donetsk People’s milita evacuating from Aleksandrivka, this is only 11 miles away from Donetsk city centre. (18km) - the situation is deteriorating by the hour, Ukrainians are pushing & lots of EW activity from Donetsk & some say even from Russia (unverified)
>LPR and DPR portions are being shelled by Ukrainian armed forces — local watchdogs are saying that this is the most dangerous night on the LOC “in years”https://nitter.kavin.rocks/ASBMilitary/status/1494419075451310083#mthoughts and prayers to the DPR 🙏
No.507237
Sizzlegang is winning
No.507238
Just 3 more days of Olympics left and Russia can invade
No.507239
>>507231>>507232>>507233we have the best schizos on leftypol now don't we, folks
No.507240
Proxy war on sizzle
Invasion on fizzle
Sorry Posadists :(
No.507241
>>507240I hope all the young cucks that only saw the decay of the blackest reaction reduce their countries into miserable piles of shit, and thus supported euromaidan because they were forced into working as an illegal wage worker or tomato picker, gets their shit together :(
No.507243
What is at risk if the Ukraine takes LPR and DPR? doesn't this lead to a cucking of Russia? Anons do you believe Russia will invade to insure they don't fall?
No.507244
>>507242lmao banger of a post
No.507246
>>507243LPR/DPR won't get taken, but Russia won't invade anyways. Donbass will be a long conflict and Ukraine can't join NATO for as long as there is territorial dispute, so they truly don't need to invade. Unless they are waiting for a provocation/false flag to do so.
>>507242Top lol
No.507247
>>507242$50 says this was made by a butthurt german wehraboo fantasizing about fighting le ruski horde
No.507248
>>507247The font is used by a large German magazine. It's not just some online thing
No.507249
>>507242It's all atlanticists. When they get the report that the Chancellor was not allowing weapons sells to Ukraine from (if my memory doesn't fail, Croatia) was Der Spiegel who published it, not to praise the chancellor, but to criticize it.
No.507252
>>507250>>507162Do you think that Russia is feeding false information to CIA agents to make the US look insane? Lmao
No.507253
>>507246Well if Ukraine gets rid of DPR/LPR territory disputes its over with means of dominance in force. Russia may not invade either way, don't get me wrong I'm not in the "invasion invasion invasion" crowd. Still if Ukrainians defeat them, the "thier is the no territorial dispute" box checked and ready. I wouldn't put it past NATO to help in the ways they are and continue to with defeating them. Then having NATO troops arrive the same day Ukraine joins. Russia does get cucked if they pull this move I'm describing. Basically masses of mercenaries, Nazis, and Ukrainian fighters dressed as such could go to attempt to occupy LPR/DPR. Am I wrong to believe that would settle the territory disputes?
No.507254
>>507236>thoughts and prayers to the DPR 🙏shove that up your ass and send them money instead
No.507255
HOLY SHIT
No.507257
So what's the deal about the "Donbas genocide"? Is this a real thing or is this just an invention by the russian equivalent of Adrian Zenz?
No.507258
>>507254Right away Agent Mykhail
>>507253We will know if that's happening when it happens. It would take some time to move all of the Russian separatists out of their entrenched positions. It will take even longer for Ukraine to join NATO. (Troops could still arrive though.) NATO just wants to sanction the pipeline away, not actually go to war over Ukraine.
No.507259
>>507220Free Ruthenia
Lwow is Polack clay
No.507260
>>507259my mental image of Poland will always be 1939 so i'm always shocked to realize the entire thing shifted west, has that ever happened to any other people, fucking lel
No.507261
NATO just wants to sanction the pipeline away, not actually go to war over Ukraine.
You sure about that they seem pretty war ready! Putin likely won't back down on Nordstream 2. I guess this all depends on how far either the west or Putin will go. Does Putin truly* want to keep LPR/DPR, how mad does the west want Ukraine in? France/German could block it. Lots of questions but I think the defeat of LPR/DPR definitely brings some new angles to all this.
No.507263
>>507252I fuckin hope so because this would be a troll in epic proportions. Imagine trolling the largest empire on earth and they're just running around like cockroaches under a light.
No.507264
>>507259Fuck Poland and fuck the Polish.
No.507265
>>507252that would be a strategy unprecedentedly hilarious
No.507266
>>507264/leftypol/ hates Poland for some reason
No.507267
>>507260>my mental image of Poland will always be 1939 what are you fucking 80 years old?
No.507268
>>507177Volkstrumm and maybe werewolves / forest brothers moment.
>>507207Glutting the country with guns to lead to general disorder and to arm NATO stay-behinds in the event of the coming to power of a pro-russian government.
+
As you said effectively pressing gluts of people not fit for military service to fight the Russian military. which will almost certainly lead to massive casualties on the Ukrainian side but will make excellent RFE propaganda.
No.507269
>>507266>some reasonRead literally anything about the Polish Second Republic, or just talk to any Poles at all.
No.507271
>>507242Ah yes, the famous "arrow vortex" plan of attack
No.507273
>>507272He can barely get into rollercoasters.
No.507278
>>507275he's doing this to his entire country
No.507280
>>507275>make the funny meme man from the tv presidentHe's like a weird amalgamation of Reagan and Trump with the political convictions of Buttigieg.
No.507282
>>507281Was rozjebią, to zasłużycie.
No.507283
>>507276Once they fulfill their anti-imperialist function and press the button, I no longer care.
No.507284
>>507242Hoi4 battle plans be like
No.507286
>>507261Sure it would, we will have to wait and see if it happens, it will take time. Also I don't think the Russians care nearly as much about the pipeline as the Germans and Americans do. I doubt that killing it would stop Russian proxy war.
No.507287
>>507261The problem is that desire has nothing to do with whether or not someone will go to war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2tQ04JAsnQ No.507289
>>507037Reminder that under every definition, including the Lenin-Hilferding definition of monopoly finance capital, Russia is an imperialist state. Is acting aggressively toward a neutral and sovereign nation and threatening it with war. There is no moral difference between what Russia is doing to Ukraine and what the U.S has done throughout the 20th century to Cuba.
If you support Russia in their imperialistic Muscovite ambitions you are not a socialist, communist or Marxist, and instead a pro-capitalist imperialist apologist.
That is all.
No.507291
>>507288>belarus gone>ukraine still exists>poland still existsHorrifying
No.507292
>>507289>moral difference Swiggity swoot, begone with your spooks
No.507296
>>507289Tl;dr, ukrofascist
No.507297
>>507295SIZZLEBROS WE ARE BACK
No.507298
>>507296Tl;dr russo-fascist (like the russian neo-nazi militias in luhansk and donetsk lmao)
No.507299
>>507295The West continues its self-parody.
No.507300
>>507295IT'S HAPPENING! FOR REAL THIS TIME! REALLY REAL!
No.507304
Getting my meme files ready for if Russia invades and for if Russia doesn't invade.
No.507307
>>507302lol Azov gonna gas their own people and blame the Russians
No.507308
Russia is imperialist, Ukraine is anti-imperialist. I think I know who I’m supporting.
No.507310
If Russia invades I'm shilling for Ukraine and NATO too
No.507311
>>507302I think that Russia is sending them misinfo and they cannot stop bleating it
>>507305>everyone is a fascist and I hope they all fall into a black holego away radlib
No.507312
>>507289>neutral statestopped reading there. 5/10 bait
No.507313
>>507310but you already are
No.507315
>>507313I'm not I'm in the Russia won't invade camp
No.507316
>>507290You're lucky Trianon wasn't harsher.
No.507317
Russia is thinking of a chemical attack. They're thinking of cyberwar. They're thinking of hacking the midterms. They're thinking of putting shit in my pants to embarrass me, but I did not shit my pants it's a lie the Russians put it there it's a false flag shit in my pants.
No.507321
>>507310If Russia actually invaded Ukraine would be the good guys. NATO too, if they actually tried to contest the invasion in anyway, though they might not, just depends on if its deemed truly worth the treasure and blood.
No.507324
>>507295I wish Putin had a Twitter, and just reacted to this bullshit.
>Damn, I did what? No.507325
>>507316The Hungarian delegation didn't want to enter WW1 and the Austrians forced it. Hungary was not a sovereign entity and was dragged into it basically by its colonizer. But sure, they deserved it, punish the colonized.
No.507326
sorry NATO shill's and Azov cuckolds, but russia will buck break ukraine, this failed state is doomed.
No.507327
>>753095
>Banderite slogan
mask off
No.507328
>>507324Nah just liking shit to send libs into meltdowns
No.507329
>>507326>Saying that this NATO/Ukraine/Russia thing is a nothingburger means you love NATOkek this board has gone to shit.
No.507331
>>507326>this failed state is doomed.Yeah, Russia is in pretty bad shape right now.
No.507332
>>507330I feel like they would decide this early in the planning stages
No.507333
>>507329cope ukranoid, bull Putin is coming for you.
>>507331did not knew Russia had annexed Ukraine back already, thanks anon.
No.507335
>>507330Glowies not even bothering to get new material. All it will do is cast the curse of Assad on ukraine.
No.507337
>>507330Farcical. Only literal boomers (and older) are falling for this.
No.507338
>>507330if Putin were smart he would be feeding western intelligence with disinfo in order to obfuscate his real plans
No.507339
>>507335*Russia, and it's happening in this thread right now
No.507340
>>507330>US diplomat>The "pay to play" crowd are moronsWho knew?
No.507341
Russia is a fascist capitalist state, Ukraine is anti-imperialist and closer to true anarchist values. Critical support for Ukrayina!
No.507342
>>507341Based and Makhno pilled.
No.507345
>>507333Russian strippers are gonna annex my balls into their vaginas
No.507346
>>507339what do you mean by that
>>507341>Ukraine is anti-imperialist and closer to true anarchist values. Critical support for Ukrayina!so that's why so many neocons these days call themselves Anarchists these days huh, poor anarchism, suffered a horrible fate.
No.507348
>>507346>So that's why so many neocons these days call themselves AnarchistsActually neocons were mostly former Marxists-Leninists. Which makes sense, as M-L's are pro-imperialism usually.
No.507349
>>507345sorry for the loss of your phallus Ukranon, not like you had much use for it.
No.507350
>>507348which is why most of these ML are supporting Ukraine terrorising Donnetsky and joining the Imperialist block, cuz they are pro-imperialism.
No.507352
>>507348You baited me, neocons were trots (not MLs or anarchists) and the fact that you can't see the larger picture, the threats that NATO poses to other countries (including Ukraine), and what it takes to fight back means you just want everyone to link arms and sing Kumbaya and anyone who does any harm or has any conflict is a fascist. Really juvenile. You will probably now claim that I think that Russian oligarchy is inherently better than the West.
No.507353
>>507352Trots are Leninists.
>The fact that you can't see the threat that the Warsaw Pact poses to other countries (including Cuba) and what it takes to fight back means you just want everyone to link arms and sing Kumbaya. If you oppose U.S intervention in Cuba you by necessity must oppose Russian intervention in Ukraine; Ukrainians mostly don't want them there, a part from the far eastern part of the country that's already been more or less annexed by Russia anyway.
Russia isn't communist. It isn't socialist. It's a capitalist oligarchy and blatantly imperialist.
No.507356
Reports indicate that the 23rd Russian online couch division has engaged the 14th Ukrainian internet regiment backed by the 3rd Reddit expeditionary corps
No.507357
>>507353You keep bringing up fantasies, as if it matters what we support or oppose to the people at stake, or as if I imagine that Russia is not an oligarchy, as I already referred to them as. You actually did what I predicted, you claimed that I think Russia is le based, in spite of me calling them an oligarchy in the very post you responded to. Obviously they are imperialist, there is no socialism anymore, almost anywhere. You have a completely childish moral view of the world because you think it's "good guys vs bad guys."
No.507360
>>507353>If you oppose U.S intervention in Cuba you by necessity must oppose Russian intervention in Ukraine;like they are in any way equal, did not knew cuba was joining CSTO, nor that Ukraine was suffeing a genocidal blocking for their ideological stance.
No.507363
>>507353Is this what porky spend his millions on? Paying people to post dumb shit in leftist spaces?
You
do get paid to post this dogshit, right?
No.507364
Chairman of the "All-Russian Officers' Assembly", retired Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov spoke out against Putin's policy and preparations for war with Ukraine
The Kremlin's policy aimed at preparing a war with Ukraine is inherently criminal. Retired Russian Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov wrote about this in an open letter entitled "The Eve of the War", acting as chairman of the "All-Russian Officers' Assembly", and called on Russian President Vladimir Putin to step down from his post.
Recall that from 1996 to 2001 Ivashov was the head of the Main Directorate of International Military Cooperation of the Ministry of Defense of the country, and held other high positions in the department. Today he is known in Russia as the head of the "All-Russian Officers' Assembly" - a public organization that unites reserve officers of pro-Soviet and national-patriotic views, as well as his critical speeches against NATO.
According to the general, the only threat to the existence of Russia was the degradation of its internal life, and not external threats. “In general, strategic stability is maintained, nuclear weapons are under reliable control, NATO forces are not building up, and they are not showing threatening activity,” he stressed.
Leonid Ivashov is also convinced that the Kremlin's actions will cause irreparable damage to the country and called on the president to "renounce the criminal policy of provoking war."
"The letter indicates very serious changes in the mood of various segments of the population"
Russian politician, ex-deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation Gennady Gudkovin a comment to the Voice of America Russian Service, he said that he was personally acquainted with Leonid Ivashov. According to the politician, it is not without reason that he is highly respected among the officers. “Of course, his views on the Kremlin’s policy at different times were quite controversial,” he added. “But the fact that he is now extremely tough, bitingly opposed to drawing Russia into the war with Ukraine, called for Putin’s resignation, pointed out that the system of power created by Putin is degrading and is the main danger to the country,” says a lot. His letter testifies to very serious changes in the moods of the most diverse segments of the population.
It becomes absolutely clear that Russian society as a whole does not want war with Ukraine, Gennady Gudkov stated. According to him, the idea of fighting on foreign territory, and even as an aggressor, is completely unacceptable to most of the country's population. “It seems to me that this is a very important, somewhat turning point,” he continued. “People are aware that the war will be extremely unfair and resolutely do not want to allow it. Therefore, for the Kremlin, this is a serious signal that should be heeded.
The ex-deputy also agrees that the tension around Ukraine is being whipped up largely in order to divert the attention of citizens from pressing internal problems. “On federal TV channels you can hear anything, except for what really worries people. Every day hatred of the outside world is planted there. Meanwhile, Putin himself is well aware that there are no prerequisites for an attack on Russia by NATO and is not expected. All these threats, which the Kremlin replicates through its media, are mythical and do not pose a real danger to the country. So Ivashov is absolutely right here too,” Gennady Gudkov summed up.
"Putin is simply uncomfortable without an enemy"
This is a significant message, says political scientist Abbas Gallyamov . It seems to him that Putin and society as a whole have become accustomed to criticism from liberals for the expansionist foreign policy of the Kremlin. “And here there is a real sensation,” the source of the Voice of America Russian Service believes. – Ivashov unexpectedly voiced, in principle, the same arguments as the liberals, although he fought against the expansion of NATO to the east back in those days when no one really knew Putin either. This is a man whose merits in the eyes of the “national patriots”, in general, do not need extra confirmation. He is known for his nationalistic views, and in certain circles he has the status of a patriarch."
Therefore, of course, this is a shock that makes everyone look at the situation in a new way, says Abbas Gallyamov. In his opinion, such a conversion from patriots to liberals, especially in the performance of a well-known person, clearly demonstrates on whose side the power is now in terms of influencing public opinion.
“Obviously, the Kremlin’s arguments are not able to make a proper impression on the general public, they are not able to convince not only opponents, but even potential allies – people who seem to walk in the same “Budennov overcoat,” he specified. “Ivashov surprisingly correctly noted that the root cause of what is happening around Ukraine is largely due to the Kremlin’s desire to shift the arrows of public consciousness from internal problems to external ones.”
Putin is simply uncomfortable without an enemy, the political scientist believes. “It is no coincidence that from the first days in power he was constantly engaged in the consolidation of society “against someone”. No wonder he exposes his internal critics as agents of some external enemy. Today, the electoral majority that he had is crumbling. Any sociology will confirm this to you. The president's rating has long been below 50%, not to mention the rating of his United Russia party. And in this situation, Putin has no choice but to try to restore the paradigm that once led him to success,” Abbas Gallyamov concluded.
https://www.golosameriki.com/a/ivashov-kremlin-challange/6431260.html No.507365
>>507308the memes just write themselves
No.507366
>>507364>Голос Америки Ты че, ебанут?
No.507367
>>507311>I think that Russia is sending them misinfo and they cannot stop bleating itwhile I don't seriously believe this is true, it actually wouldn't surprise me all that much, and is frankly a pretty smart idea. It's obvious to anyone that the media has been a hysterical monster in constant hunger of new and outrageous headlines to get clicks or sell news, without any consideration for ethics or creating widespread unrest (money is quite the motivator!). feeding insanity like this while the US is clearly riling up a narrative would be so, so easy
No.507368
>>507353>you by necessity must oppose Russian intervention in Ukraine;To a certain extent, I do, but I also don't support what the Ukraine is doing to Russians in its own borders. Firstly, ANOTHER REASON
WHY the Russians might bother crossing into the Ukraine is due to the fact that the Ukranian government has gone out of its way to commit ethnic discrimination and persecution to its Russian populace and has actively sought to destroy the two Russian "seperatist" republics that have resisted it. Due to the political nature of these two republics and them more or less being pro-Russian and resisting genocide, Russia at least has the incentive to protect them.
>Russia isn't communist. It isn't socialist. It's a capitalist oligarchy and blatantly imperialist.Agreed, that doesn't mean we should therefore "critically support" the Ukraine either. No one wants to see innocent people suffer because of their governments stupid decisions, I think most of us can agree to that, but you're a fool if you think Ukraine is worthy of support.
Same goes to you fuckin' putinoids. If you guys had an ounce of principle, you'd be more concerned with the Donetsk and Lushenk people's republics and not actively shill for Russia because they're "anti-Nato".
>inb4 I'm labelled of being pro-Nato. NATO can crash and burn. If Russia does crush NATO, I'll admit, I certainly won't be upset. All I'm saying is develop some bloody critical thinking skills. You're better than this.
No.507369
>>507366read what it says retard
No.507370
>>507369Тебе пиздят, уебок
No.507371
>>507364don't care didn't read, plus you're slav
No.507372
>>507370I'm not Russian and I'm not a Putin shill tho.
No.507373
I'm a Belorussian Jew who lives in Canada.
No.507375
Atlantic council staffer recommended for traveling journalists in Ukraine to eat at a Banderist-themed restaurant lol
https://nitter.net/DanBoeckner/status/1493337868642705408 No.507376
>>507364>Voice of Americalmfao
No.507377
>>507368>You're better than this.oh yeah? says who?
No.507378
>>507373so are you for or against lukashenko?
No.507379
>>507376Burgers are trying to push for a war. I bet they’re gonna get Azov to push for something.
No.507380
>>507368The US wants to build a forward military base in Ukraine, probably with nuclear weapons, Russia is not Imperialist for stopping the US from doing this. The US overthrew the Ukrainian government, during the Maidan happening so if Ukraine is being imperialised it's from the US.
>If you guys had an ounce of principle, you'd be more concerned with the Donetsk and Lushenk people's republics and not actively shill for Russia because they're "anti-Nato".The People that live in Donetsk and Lushenk are afraid of ethnic cleansing from the Azov battalion which are ukraininan neonazis that are being propped up by the US puppet regime. These people you pretend to be speaking for want to be part of Russia and they want Russian security forces in Donetsk and Lushenk in exchange for protection. But you know better then they do right, they should take a position of neither side, and gamble that the right-wing goons massing troops and equipment near their towns are just larping.
No.507382
>>507378No I am not for the Potato Duce.
I'm mainly concerned with weather Putin will invade Ukraine or not and weather there will be a war between Russia and NATO or not.
No.507384
>>507383>Its weird we have several Belarusians on leftypolSee
>>507256 No.507385
>>507380>Russia is not Imperialist for stopping the US from doing this. The US overthrew the Ukrainian government, during the Maidan happening so if Ukraine is being imperialised it's from the US.Ok, I'm not denying this. You do realise I'm responding to this anon for similar reasons you are.
>The People that live in Donetsk and Lushenk are afraid of ethnic cleansing from the Azov battalion which are ukraininan neonazis that are being propped up by the US puppet regime. These people you pretend to be speaking for want to be part of Russia and they want Russian security forces in Donetsk and Lushenk in exchange for protection.But you know better then they do right, they should take a position of neither side, and gamble that the right-wing goons massing troops and equipment near their towns are just larping.1. Mentioned the idea of Ukranian government comitting genocide, don't see how this is an own on your end.
2. That's mighty rich coming from you, considering there are those in the Donetsky and Lushenk people's republics who want full independance. The communist party of Russia is actively making a request that these two seperatist republics be recognised as their own entities.
https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/01/19/communist-party-submits-draft-resolution-to-state-duma-on-raising-issue-of-russia-recognizing-donetsk-and-luhansk-people-s-republicsSo with that in mind, learn some reading comprehension and quit being a numpty. Would you rather have extensions of Russian oligarchs or the chance for two independant states to pursue their own sovereignty and destiny- including that of the SLIGHTEST POSSIBLE CHANCE that they may become socialist republics.
No.507387
Surprise: they are just making shit up
>Amazing interview of the former MI6 chief with the Atlantic Council's @B_judah (the whole gang present) where the intel goon *admits* that many western "intel leaks" media outlets are dutifully conveying aren't real leaks but propaganda messages designed to undercut Putin.https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1494303861846294537#m No.507388
>>507387That is what leaks are. Like they're almost all intentional. Funnily enough in the IC/natset/journo world the use of the word leak actual implies intentional disclosure. They like to use it, I guess, as a joke on us.
No.507389
>>507325The Bavarian people didn't want any part in the Prussian entry in ww1 either, but their king made them.
See how retarded your argument is? The Hungarian nobility were very happy owning huge swathes of non-Hungarian territory.
No.507390
>>507385>communist-party-submits-draft-resolution-to-state-duma-on-raising-issue-of-russia-recognizing-donetsk-and-luhansk-people-s-republicsDidn't also the Russia United Party also drafted their own proposal? I am scratching my head trying to see if there is one.
No.507393
>>507391Love all the arrows, really learns me up good
No.507394
Why hasn't Putin invaded Ukraine yet?
No.507395
>>507394not happening until Changlympics are over
No.507396
It's Putin who's being the aggressor here. He's positioning and repositioning and running his troops around in attack mode across the Ukranian border while making hysterical gopnik demands. The West isn't really doing anything to stop him except trying to twerk at him with the media. He knows that most of America's military is in the Pacific and he knows that neither America or the EU have an appetite for war not the public nor the politicians. He wants Ukraine cucked and back in his sphere of influence and thinks he can buck break and frighten at least the major EU countries Germany and France into giving it to him.
No.507397
>>507391>Putin is about to invade!>NATO never promised not to expand Eastward!>Russia is the aggressor!>We have always been at war with Eastasia!No wonder everything sucks, US is trying to use 1984 as an instruction manual.
No.507398
>>507394Why invade Ukraine? They just want Minsk enforced and are scaring people into taking it seriously.
No.507399
>>507398Maybe /pol/tards are in the US government and are trying to meme it into reality.
No.507400
>>753728
Simply agree to enforce Minsk then, which France recently suggested.
No.507402
>>507401Those are some durable windows
No.507403
>>507401Comrade BoJo let it slip that this was a false flag, kek
No.507404
>>507396Can I see you in the dark?
No.507405
>>507399Bilnken and friends are certainly trying to meme it into existence
No.507407
>>507406It's all over twitter, I think he just got confused about what 'false flag' means or whose side it happened on lol
No.507408
>>507401Is this a photograph? I thought it was a blender scene when I first looked at it.
No.507409
>>507396For the reading comprehension of the rest of us can you try to write this again like a human who doesn't spend 112 hours a week on social media?
No.507410
>>507409It's simple, Putin is a slay queen and he wants Ukraine coping+seething+malding, though he is afraid of being ratio'd and taking the L from NATO. The media is being real sussy about it, and the rebels find the prospect of war to be poggers. And Germany is being a messy bitch about the pipeline.
No.507411
>>507390Tried looking on duck-duck go, to no avail. But if there is an article that does confirm this, please link it.
No.507412
>>507401>the fuckin lamp up above is intact>zero shrapnel marks on walls>zero scorch marks in or outside>no crater under the hole>no hole in the wall opposing the holeWhat the fuck did they hit it with? A dummy RPG round?
No.507413
>>507412Most likely an armor piercing tank round. Others
twitter analysts have noted how the building was conveniently located at the edge of town with nothing behind it, and also that there's no way in hell the shell could have come from Russian-aligned territory as the sheer range would mean the shell would hit the roof, not clean through the side.
No.507414
>>507413A tank round would've gone through more than one wall. In the pictures, the wall opposite of the hole is clean. I just said that. Whatever it was, it landed inside, doing no further noticeable damage.
No.507415
>>507401I’m just going to say it; looks fake as fuck
No.507416
>>507414And another video showing the "shelling" was a single scorch mark on the ground. Which was flat, like it's a texture. No crater.
And around the hole, lies the insulation, not a single scorch mark on it.
Considering the height of the hole, I'll say they used a tank cannon to ram it.
No.507424
>>507422The ukrops literally started shelling yesterday for NO FUCKING REASON, and drew the russian forces back.
They even shot up their own fucking school with an undercharged mortar shell to prove a point.
No.507427
Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko says his country would be ready to host "nuclear weapons" if threatened by the West.
Lukashenko also said that Minsk could deploy "super nuclear weapons" if their "rivals and opponents" took "foolish, unreasonable steps".
Tensions between Russia – an ally of Belarus – and NATO have reached unprecedented levels over troop movements near Ukraine.
Lukashenko visited an Osipovsky nuclear weapons storage site on Thursday as part of joint Russian-Belarusian military drills.
"If necessary … we will deploy not only nuclear weapons but also super nuclear weapons – promising weapons – in order to defend our territory," Lukashenko said, according to national media.
https://www.euronews.com/2022/02/17/belarus-ready-to-host-nuclear-weapons-in-case-of-western-threat-says-lukashenkoSUPER NUCLEAR WEAPONS No.507428
>>507427Yup, look up Status-6.
No.507430
>>507426just nuke kiev already
No.507431
Holy shit a ceasefire violation just flew over my house
No.507437
>>507436why worry, nobody is getting nuked over ukraine, not every flareup of international tension is the cuban missile crisis
No.507438
>>507437why worry, nobody is getting gassed over serbia, not every flareup of international tension is the morrocan crisis
No.507440
Vladislav Surkov wrote an article about how Russia will take back it's lost territories. He's Putin's Chief ideological propagandist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladislav_Surkov
> In February 1918, a historic (and somewhat hysterical) meeting of the Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party took place. It approved the decision to conclude peace with Germany. This world, known as Brest, was previously given an additional and clearer name in the opposition press (there was one then) - obscene.
> And indeed, the world turned out to be directly offensive. Under its terms, Russia abandoned the vast territories of the Baltic States, Belarus, and Ukraine that previously belonged to it. The western border rolled back far to the east, pushing the country into the pre-Petrine, one might even say, pre-Romanov times. Nowhere is nicer.
> The humiliating “treaty” was, ironically, canceled not by Russia, but by its former (abandoned) allies. In the same year 18. After that, the Soviet Republic and further the Soviet Union gradually returned the lost lands. Apparently.
> But geopolitical processes are slow, their results do not immediately appear from under the heaps of stunning events. The collapse of Russia, which began in the 17-18 years of the last century and seemed to be stopped by the communist state at the cost of colossal sacrifices, did not actually stop. The great mighty Soviet Union turned out to be not a fortress, but something like a Chernobyl sarcophagus, inside which the reactions of division, decomposition and alienation continued.
> As a result, if we compare the modern map of the European part of our country with the map approved by the notorious Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, there will hardly be many differences. Surprisingly, the western border of today's Russia almost literally coincides with the line of limitation, to which the Bolsheviks cowardly agreed in 1918 after the presentation of the German ultimatum.
> It turns out that Russia, after many years, was again pushed back into the borders of the "obscene world." Not losing the war. Not sick of the revolution. Some ridiculous perestroika, some murky glasnost was enough to make the patchwork Soviet empire come apart at the seams. This means that a fatal vulnerability was built into the system.
> So, what is next? Definitely not silence. There is a lot of geopolitics ahead. Practical and applied. And even, perhaps, contact.
> How could it be otherwise, if it is crowded and boring, and awkward … and it is unthinkable for Russia to remain within the boundaries of an obscene world.
> We are for peace. Of course. But not for obscene. For the right one.https://echo.msk.ru/blog/statya/2980190-echo/ No.507441
>>507440what a revolting cretin
No.507442
EU making preparations for a million war refugeesBrussels is preparing for more than a million Ukrainians to attempt to cross into the EU to escape war
https://www.rt.com/russia/549799-eu-predicts-refugee-crisis/ No.507443
>>507442Fuck slavs stay in your capitalist paradise
No.507444
>>507442Oh so now suddenly refugees are fine
No.507446
>>507421<60 violationsNot few not many.
<152mmThis is more interesting. High caliber artillery signals high tension.
No.507447
>>507446who gave you officially the control over the happening con?
No.507448
>>507447No one did. Feel free to post yours.
No.507450
Ukranians believe they're superior yet they probably make even less than colombians
The holomodor didn't happen but maybe it should have…
Well not really but man Ukrainians are a bunch of cunts
No.507451
>>507450The Ukrainian famine did happen. The holodomor is an accusation of conscious genocide, which didn't happen, and shouldn't.
No.507452
>>507444They've always been fine with gusanos.
No.507454
>>507207I can just imagine it now. Little old grandma takes a glock out of her purse, gets lit up by an armored column. Westoid journalist is taking photos from his hotel window across the street going "yeees, shoot her more, CNN is going to love this"
Next it'll be child soldiers.
No.507457
>>507456>use the translate function on your browserdont tell me what to do, you nazi
No.507464
>>507461>chlorineah, yes, the chemical attack
Assad Putin was planning against his own people
No.507466
>>507441shut the fuck up limpwristed faggot
No.507467
>>507466he shits on the USSR constantly, you reactionary faggot
No.507468
>>507465Russia false flagged themselves because false flagging ukraine would be too risky. it's 1000000 autism score strategy
No.507472
>>507470>adomirTranslates to "Hellpeace"
No.507473
>>507459What reading is to be had on a thing that didn't happen?
>>507460Those historians are selling you numbers slightly smaller than craziest estimates. Don't recommend them to anyone.
No.507474
>>507473The famine did happen, you moron. It wasn't intentional (genocide), however. Are you a fucking Russian nationalist who found himself this thread? Did you post this shit too
>>507466 ?
No.507475
>>507474>The famine did happen, you moron.How many have died, you moron? On picrelated, green is USSR in 1932-33 compared to Russian Empire in 1897. Back then it was less than a million deaths, so USSR's deaths should be even smaller than that. Furthermore, it's a pic of MORTALITY, just mortality, supposedly analyzed from orthodox churches which were counting the dead in 1897 with corresponding Soviet organizations' records in the same regions in 1932-33.
Now then, do tell how many deaths have Wheatcroft and Davies arrived to?
No.507476
>>507475>Back then it was less than a million deaths, so USSR's deaths should be even smaller than that.Based on what? Famines can have degrees of severity, you understand that, right? Just because "good guys are in power" it doesn't necessarily follow that less people die.
No.507478
>>507477jesus fuck
i enhanced the image
what the fuck is Noam Chomsky doing in Ukraine?
No.507479
>>507469Its a compliment to Putin. After all Hitler was a based anti-imperialist, socialist and an animal lover. I heard his paintings are pretty good too.
No.507480
>>507478Chomsky is the ideological leader of local anarcho-azov battallion units.
No.507483
>>507463its the weegur two bajillion meme all over again
No.507485
>>507481yes boris johnson already said that
No.507486
>>507476Look at the fucking pic. USSR had less deaths in famine, OBVIOUSLY. And it wasn't even the worst famine that happened under the Czars.
No.507490
>>507489Fuck off Glowuyghur. Putin being alike with herr Hitler is a compliment.
No.507493
>>507487>>507487>Lukashenka (Why do these people call him Lukashenka? Isn't it Lukashenko?)because Lukashenka is Belarusian, their language is similar to but not exactly the same as Russian. In Belarussian, male names end in a.
No.507494
>>507487>Why do these people call him Lukashenka? Isn't it Lukashenko?The surname is actually Lukashenka in Belarussian, Lukashenko is Russian/Ukrainian and more commonplace in the anglosphere
No.507500
Russian authorities in Rostov are preparing to receive refugees and setting up evacuation buses
No.507505
Someone from Die Linke on BT News said that special forces from multiple countries are in Donbass now. If that's true, this fight will be more difficult than in years past.
No.507511
>>507510Well duh, the don't work for germans, they work for the US state departament
No.507514
>>507475The reason why the excess mortality may have been higher in the USSR fine in 1933 is precisely because the USSR had lowered its average death rate noticeably compared to the Russian Empire.
eg. Compare situation A where the std. death rate is 40 per 1000 and rises to 55 per thousand to B where the death rate is 28 per thousand and rises to 50. The later has greater excess deaths per 1000 as defined despite there being less deaths both in normal times and during famine.
So what do we learn? Bourgeois publications manipulate the fact that people do not understand precisely what terms mean and the methodology for their calculation.
No.507517
>>507510ALL OPTIONS ARE ON THE TABLEt. juan guaido
No.507518
>>507516I truly fucking hate this century
The greatest material potential for socialist revolution in the past 200 years
The lowest level of consciousness as well
No.507520
First buses to leave at 2000, 4 hours from now
No.507522
>>507512Is she a economic hitman sabotaging the German economy on behalf of the US ?
No.507525
>>507519>PUTIN IS HITLER!>Right Sector flag in the backgroundClown country
No.507528
>>507510Germans are some of the most pathologically cuckolded people on the planet
No.507529
fuck hohols stalin didnt eat enough grain
No.507530
>>507525"Everyone is Hitler except actual Hitler, who was misunderstood" is shockingly common now.
No.507532
>>507523again, this is a private website that sets their own defcon levels. US defcon levels aren't public
No.507534
>>507510>we're prepared to sacrifice our slaves to achieve our interestsNo shit, what have we learned from the past two years of hellish world plague? Revolution needs to fucking come soon or those retards deserve to freeze to death.
>>507498>>507520Good, big respect to the seps for this. Rather than arming little grannies and letting them get killed for atrocity propaganda, they're getting their civvies out of the line of fire. This is what responsible leadership looks like.
It's also worth noting that the LPR leader was an anti-smuggler police commander that cracked a massive smuggling ring on behalf of the republic of Ukraine and got a military medal from the anti-Russian president of Ukraine, and reportedly refused bribes from the criminals. The only respectable politician in eastern Europe if you ask me.
No.507535
>>507522No, I wouldn't compare it to what the americans do to the third world. It isn't that bad
yet.
She is just one of the many american-funded thinktank lackeys which infest the libertarian and green parties in germany. It seems to be more about aligning Germany with our "transatlantic partners" at all costs.
No.507536
>>507535Why don't the German people regain their sovereignty from the Ami occupiers? Literally these Atlanticists want your people to freeze.
No.507539
>>507537I think the most psychotic shit I’ve seen all week was Ukraine shelling a kindergarten full of children while CNN foamed at the mouth ranting about how it’s a Russian false flag
No.507540
>>507537damn it looks like that scene from chernobyl
No.507544
>>507542>Probably a lot of them kidsLPR did say it was specifically woman, children and the elderly being evacuated, so yes
No.507545
>>507544I wonder if our man Texas is going to evac or stay.
No.507546
>>507537to clarify since I worded it weird - i believe the busses will be filled with fleeing civilians from the LPR and coordinated by the LPR and Russia, not Ukrainians. Ukraine will be the ones to blow them up and blame LPR for a false flag
No.507548
>>507536Well, our history certainly doesn't help the case. Most of the people who point out this relationship with the US are either reactionaries or get quickly smeared as such.
But on an economic level, germany has profited massively from NATO, as they outsourced most of the ugly, expensive part of being a world power to the Americans/French/British, and could fully concentrate on building economic and soft power.
In a way, this will one of the many waking calls for Germany that have been repeating this century.
While the country still profits from its relationship with NATO, it is becoming more and more internally contradictory: The more Germany is being expected to pull it's weight, the more it realizes that its actual Interests are more and more in conflict with american ones.
Other NATO countries are feeling this as well, especially France and Turkey. The only part of NATO which is still squarely on the American side of this are the Eastern Europeans like Poland.
No.507550
Pictures of people in Donetsk trying to leave the fuck out of here with extensive lines in gas stations, automatic cashiers, JFK!
No.507553
>>507552No they won't dumbass
No.507555
Pictures of people in Donetsk trying to leave the fuck out of here with extensive lines in gas stations, automatic cashiers, JFK!
No.507556
>>507554<Dude, the Khatyn massacre was perfomed by the SOVIETS! They used german ammunitions to make it look like the germans did it!Yes.
No.507558
>>507554even if Katyn was done by Soviets, it wouldnt matter. The 50,000 corpses of Katyn were the police, intelligentsia, and the rest of the fascistic bourgeois apparatus that invaded the USSR before WW2 and the only reason why their shitty fucking republic didnt collapse was due to the retardation at the Vistula in 1922
No.507563
>>507559>Trusting ((())) sourcesthat's how you sound. you don't need to debate and deny the holodomor or the purges or fucking Katyn which was admitted by the USSR to support AES
No.507564
>>507563>Oh muh Katyn!Okay but who gives a fuck about some Polish officers getting shot tbh?
No.507568
>>507565All these memes will look silly when the massacres really get started.
There is no escape from the cleansing fire.
No.507571
>>507567There's something wrong with them alright
If you're going to act up all the time atleast win
No.507572
>>507564The people compromising their intellects to insist the soviets definitely didn't do it, clearly.
Katyn was done by the Soviets and it was based.
The only reason the Soviets ever denied it was for realpolitik reasons during the war when the Nazis tried to use it to drive a wedge between the Soviets, Allies and Poles.
No.507574
>>507572Basically the whole Katyn thing./topic
Back to the Ukranian crisis
No.507578
>>507572>The only reason the Soviets ever denied it was for realpolitik reasons during the war when the Nazis tried to use it to drive a wedge between the Soviets, Allies and Poles.Actually the Soviets treated lightly it's reactionary enemies. The reason why Solzhenitzyn was operated of Cancer in a Gulag.
So not really, it's not the soviet way to just kill 50.000 reactionaries, but it's the nazi way to do so because they were poles.
Also fucking german ammunition was found at the Khatyn Massacre, german ammunition which could only be fired from german guns (unless you count the tokarev pistol which used the same caliber, just less powder which, one can see how mmuch force a bullet was ejected by it's form, so…)
The Nazis did it. They were reactionaries so I'm not gonna drop a tear for them, but the Soviets didn't do massacre's like this, the Nazis were, and the entire WW2 is prove of that.
No.507582
>>507575>genes aren't realI bet $10 you don't even know what this statement means.
No.507584
<Evacuation orders being placed
<Sirens sounding in Luhansk and Donetsk
I wouldn't say we got to a full 3 on the happening scale yet, but we are getting beyond 4 for sure.
No.507586
>>507581NATO are the ones expanding like Hitler did. Russia knows not to appease.
No.507587
>>507585It was some dumb shit
No.507588
>>507557Sorry, here you go
>>507563STFU motherfucker libtard, as Volodymyr was proven to be nazis, after decades of being outcried as Soviets involvement, everything hints in Katyn
No.507589
>>507584Oh we're getting there all right.
No.507590
>>507588 (me)
whoops
>everything hints in Katynis also Nazi who did it.
No.507592
>>507578>Actually the Soviets treated lightly it's reactionary enemies. The reason why Solzhenitzyn was operated of Cancer in a Gulag.Solzhenitzyn was a fucking nobody, of course a random russian soldier with reactionary views just gets sent to prison for a while and not domed by the NKVD, the Poles killed at Katyn were the elite of a reactionary anti-communist military dictatorship, slightly different affairs.
Also no idea where you're getting the 50,000 number from, even the most hysterical modern day polish estimates barely put it at half that.
As for the ammo, its well attested that the NKVD often used german guns for mass executions because they were better and the soviets had access to them.
Its embarrassing to twist yourself into knots over this sort of stuff and justify long-abandoned political manoeuvres because you feel like its the only way to be a 'true believer'. Stalin would cringe at this sort of intellectual frailty.
No.507594
>>507588does he not know that in the Nuremberg trials Katyn was judged to be a Nazi deed ?
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/07-01-46.asp No.507595
Two things:
1) Looking up for a based anon setting up cytube if things keep going like that
2) Since this thread could get way more lively, post the soundtrack of these events.
No.507596
>Russia is very concerned about the latest developments in the Donbass, the suffering of people must be stopped, said Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Vershinin.
No.507597
Children and old people starting evacuation,
now. Videos of people from the Donbas Republic marching to evacuate to Russia are surfacing.
>>507593>moldovaGood job defending moldovian nationalism that wanted to erradicate russophones.
>georgiaIt was Georgia who attacked Ossetia first.
>chechnyagood job defending the right-wing alqaeda proxies, chvd.
>attacks ukraineTell me one single obus that came from Russia and landed in Ukraine. No, Donbas is not part of Russia.
No.507598
>>507593>>attacks georgiaGeorgia literally attacked first
>attacks ukraineDid Russia invade Ukraine already?
No.507599
Seems like Putin is going to address the Duma "soon"
No.507601
>>507597Are you defending putang?
That manlet should retire to his mansion and fuck off
I'm not defending the Ukraine either
>Muh eu No.507603
>>507593>Attacks GeorgiaEven the EU admits that Georgia attacked first and was at fault for the conflict
https://www.mpil.de/files/pdf4/IIFFMCG_Volume_II1.pdf No.507604
HOLY SHIT VLADOLF PUTLER JUST ANNEXED MY HOUSE!
No.507605
>>507602Hopefully there is some insane journalist who wants to die and is livestreaming from donetsk
No.507607
>>507599This might be also a form to push Russia to station a huge deal of military presence in Donbas, to deter any military action. Donbas leaders may also want to push a stance on the Moscow side.
<Lukashenko said in a conference after meeting in Moscow with authorities, including Vladimir Putin, that "for the first time in decades we are at the doors of a conflict that could involve all the continent">>507601Shouting facts now makes you a "putinnist"? good, put me on the list, and be a CIA payrolled poster on another site.
No.507609
>>507606Is there an Irish volunteer brigade, perhaps?
Or just one of the local leaders getting whacked for a last-minute change in leadership in some brigade or another?
No.507611
>>507606Where is that photo from?
No.507613
>>507612We have a rare copy now. Let's make an NFT of it.
No.507617
>>507602Telesur? How's the bias on Al Jazeera in this conflict in particular?
No.507618
>>507597>that wanted to erradicate russophones.damn, fuck poland for eradicating danzig germans am i right? also, Moldovan nationalism was literally created by Stalin after he took it from Romania kek, under support of the Nazis btw
daily reminder that Russification exists, and that even during mein GroßUSSR people outside of Russia often spoke Russian due to necessity
daily reminder that Ukrainian was banned from being taught during the Russian Empire
daily reminder that Ukraine got forcibly annexed by the Russian SFSR, despite having anarchist and leftist movements
No.507619
>>507618Putler is genociding Ukrainian culture bros….
No.507622
After some confusion, seems Russia is indeed taking the evacuation seriously.
– The governor of Rostov has asked the Kremlin for help
– Putin is sending the emergencies minister to Rostov to deal with refugees
– every refugee who arrives gets 10,000 rubles on Putin's orders
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1494704495623815175 No.507623
>>507607 (me)
Videos in question.
>>507610And also Russia is the main oil exporter to the EU, lmao. Eurocucks love to pay expensive oil and gas from the U.S. Colonizers, to now colonized by amerimutts.
No.507624
>>507619We must defend "Ukrainian" >culture
No.507626
>daily reminder that Ukrainian was banned from being taught during the Russian Empire
Then let be taught under USSR
>daily reminder that Ukraine got forcibly annexed by the Russian SFSR, despite having anarchist and leftist movements
Hilarious, dont care.
>daily reminder that Russification exists, and that even during mein GroßUSSR people outside of Russia often spoke Russian due to necessity
Cant believe Stalin made Ukranians speak to eachother in Russian
>damn, fuck poland for eradicating danzig germans am i right? also, Moldovan nationalism was literally created by Stalin after he took it from Romania kek, under support of the Nazis btw
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No.507627
>>507618none of what you said is in any way relevant to the situation or justifies the oppression of Russophone minorities in those countries.
Revanchist cultural or physical genocide is still genocide.
No.507628
>>507618Ой, сало, сало, сало, українське сало,
Ой, яке ж воно смачне і його завжди мало,
Я до сала вже так звик, є цибуля і часник,
Покладеш сало на язик.
Сало, сало, сало, українське сало,
Українцям того сала завжди буде мало.
Щоб у вас і у нас все завжди стояло,
Треба їсти наше сало.
No.507629
The EU plan on natural gas is to use the russian pipeline as a back up while northern natural gas (already expensive) can be liquifide and sold to the highest bidder, north euro oligarchs can also invest in factories that turn the liquide back to gas(a ralatively cheap investment)
Its a plan to scan the average euro
No.507630
>>507629>north euro oligarchsSouth*
No.507634
When Scholz went to Moscow, he pretty much agreed with Putin on everything, but apparently my government is full of disgusting snakes who now backtrack everything backed by an army of "journalists" and some of the dumbest talking heads I've ever seen, while our foreign minister talks about the "Russia problem" at the MSC.
No.507635
>>507612Yeah, seems so, the "car bomb" incident in the center of Donbas. Apparently all men between 18 to 55 are not allowed to leave Donbas. Inminent drafting.
More images of the evacuation.
No.507636
>>507624self determination for all peoples, except the ones with shit taste
No.507637
>>507633They went for the leaders just like that? Holy shit US wants this war
No.507639
We need a new thread
No.507641
>>507592Solzhenitzyn most likely was an informer while in Gulag, and later continued to be KGB-managed. Then Solzhenitzyn's books were smuggled to the West alongside/at the same time period as Secret Speech and various anti-communist books from USSR.
No.507642
>>507510Meanwhile, she is fighting to give the head of Greenpeace a German passport so she can become Climate Advocate of the Foreign Ministry, topkek
No.507643
>>507637>implying its not putin falseflaggingFSB is as glowie as the CIA, they literally bombed Moscow to invade other countries just like the US did with 9/11
but I forgot they're le based anti-West so it doesn't count, just like how US putting japanese people into internment camps le bad but China putting muslims into internment camps le good
No.507644
>>507643Le intelligent post that is not a le caricature
No.507645
>>507558>even if Katyn was done by Soviets, it wouldnt matter.Were killed by Nazis 100%. Agreed on by Nuremberg, even the fucking doctors who were invited to Katyn by Nazis collaborated on that and assumed it was done by Nazis. Moreso, Soviet doctor have seen similar bullet wounds and the method of execution in other PROVEN Nazi shooting grounds. Katyn is 100% Nazi doing WITHOUT A SHRED OF A DOUBT. Meaning that Katyn documents produced during Eltzyn were fakes, meaning that archival evidence of communist crimes is likely all fakes.
No.507646
>>507643>FSB bombed Moscow>US did 9/11if you believe any of the two you are a low autism score retard. Yes we should mistrust those in power, but this doesn't mean we should believe every shizo conspiracy theory that comes along. Both Al Qaeda and the Chechens were committing atrocities well before their more infamous attacks.
No.507647
>>754560
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>>754560
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No.507648
>>507643>China putting muslims into internment camps le goodThey don't and I'm sure you wanted to use "concentration" instead of internment.
>anti-West<anti-imperialist (sorta?)When rightoids say "West" it's fucking vague and nearly meaningless. You don't actually give a single shit about "Western" culture.
No.507649
>>507510The more this shit happens, the more likely becomes Russia-style silent purge of liberals/pro-american retards. Present-day Russian course was the direct result of USA not fulfilling it's part of the deal. Europe will act similarly in a coming decade.
No.507651
>>507649>G*RMans>not cucking outPick one
No.507652
>>507651Remember Russia in the 90s? Cucked out on every issue, almost. Got better as USA kept being a dick to them. Germany is in a similar phase of USA being their friend who keeps on making Germany hurt. It's not going to last, Germany will have to sort this shit out.
No.507653
>>507606War goal=justified
No.507654
>Russian forces rumored to be crossing into the LNR/DPR and moving to the LoC
No.507655
>>507037ITT: Delusional Russian imperialists.
No.507657
>>507655>ignores the last 30 years of encroachmentSure, the RF is imperialist, as all hegemonic liberal states are, but no one here doubts that and no one here doubts that the US is the clear antagonist in this situation. The 2014 Euromaidan was a coup supported by a pro EU young populace that, unable to free itself of western propaganda, wanted to become like them without understanding that they were colonized by them.
eat shit
No.507658
>>507641Solzhenitzyn never set a foot in a "gulag" (meaning work camp).
No.507660
>>507659USSR did not colonize Ukraine dipshit.
>Forceful annexation by the USSRYeah bro, the anarchists democratically took control of the Ukraine while the USSR was fighting a dozen other empires storming its borders. No mention of the Bolshevik and pro USSR Ukranians that constituted the majority of the left wing there. Retard yankee
No.507664
>>507660>No mention of the Bolshevik and pro USSR Ukranians that constituted the majority of the left wing there. then why were they uncooperative?
No.507665
The metadata of the Donbas dude announcing the evac has metadata showing it was created two days ago, meaning this evacuation has been planned well in advance.
No.507667
>>507664White-Black alliance
No.507668
OMG A HAPPENING FLEW OVER THAT OTHER ANONS HOUSE
No.507670
>>507657Firstly, siding with one or the other bourgeois state because its "antagonistic" or "defensive" is bad Marxism and fundamentally anti-revolutionary.
Two, the U.S is not being antagonistic here; Russia is. Ukraine clearly does not want to be ruled by them lol.
No.507671
>>507662God what the fuck is wrong with Germans voting for these psycho neocon greens.
No.507672
>>507661The US in actuality chooses to back the more reactionary and repressive forces. They say this and then back ultra-anti-women murderously homophobic and repressive fundamentalists in China & Syria.
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