Let's mantain the civil discussion we were having in the last thread. (lol)
Last thread got full.
FULL SIZZLEGANG FOR THE WIN
VLADOLF PUTLER MOMENT
TO WATCH FOR NEWS:
https://liveuamap.com/Live updates from Texan commie boomer in Donbass:
https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTexac>>508286>I draw: Erotic>I don't draw: Pornget fucked lmao
nazi anti-furs fuck off
>>508290we're reclaiming the three arrows folks
>>508293for real, truly an artist optimised for the gacha economy
I respect porn artists 10,000 times more than these 'erotica' shitters
>>508299IDK because it's a good way to ease liberals into leftism via antifascism, you hook them with the 'fuck nazis' and then you hit them with the 'hey you know hitler was elected and appointed by the capitalist government right?…'
>>508300picrel
Russia is drawing a big "Z" on a bunch of trucks tanks etc. Many videos of them driving around with this marking past day
Anyone have any clue what meaning is? Can't find answer
https://twitter.com/RuslanLeviev/status/1495189774633779200?s=20&t=gZZX2lOqZ6sZL9ZoKgb2vw>>508305Zoomer army?
Zoomer army
>>508305Mao
Zedong
They're having wargames, could be a redflag/bluelfag kind of thing?
>>508305also lmfao
>white ribbonsThat's associated with liberals/opposition in Russia, militants from DNR and LNR wear the stripy St. George ribbons
>>508328biden completely owns it if he tries to go to war and fails, meanwhile certain types of right wingers will play the isolationism card.
putler will invade and biden wont do anything though, look like a grade A bitch
>>508332thats the card the old neocons will play
1. biden is a weak faggot
2. why we even there, who cares about the ukraine
>>508328>>508328Libs be like "NOOOO HOW COULD YOU NOT WANT WAR TO SAVE THE U….UGOSLAV-… EUROPEANS!!!"
Also, guys like Vance and a couple other right wingers are the reason that libs think leftists are me horseshoe theory. They use the words 'working class' and occasionally talk about 'the elites' and shit. It seems to be part of a new coordinated strategy. Hudson institute has people doing it
Good take:
>In #Donbass,Moscow’s objective appears to be coercing #Ukraine into talking directly w/Donetsk &Luhansk &ultimately implementing Minsk agreement.RUS nuclear forces exercises are sending message to US so that it leans harder on Kiev.Doctrine of strategic tension at work.https://nitter.net/DmitriTrenin/status/1494935477463437314#mTroops are just diplomatic pressure. Russia will probably get Ukraine to agree without occupation. Nothingburger confirmed
>>508348The separatist war is definitely happooning but not the occupation which would kill NS2. Unless they might lose the territories
>>508350Yeah if they actually start gaining territory then Plan B is Russian troops
>>508358People who make these statements should consider what effect it would have on Ukrainian communists or potential Ukrainian communists.
Don't let fascist Banderaites have a monopoly on Ukraine. Ukrainian communists like Petrovsky, Timoshenko, Voroshilov, Shchors should be remembered.
>>508360This guy wrote a book about Russia he released in 2019. Can read free here supposedly pretty good
Even though he is a think tank person he does seem to be a level headed guy on what goes on in Russia. Look what his Wikipedia page even says kek
https://books.google.com/books?id=qMOlDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT7&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false
>Analysing Trenin’s narrative around the 2021–2022 Russo-Ukrainian crisis and Russia–United States relations, Russian political writer Andrey Piontkovsky referred to Trenin as an “elite Kremlin propagandist targeting the Western expert audience”.[8][9]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Trenin >>508365You have to enjoy the atlanticist meeting in the SMC cheering up the zelnsky puppet like:
<ZOMGSH THE BELOVED, LOOK HOW WE FLUSHED 9bn TO THE TOILET TO OWN THE RUSSIANS YAAAAYkek, their ruling classes in Europe must be ass-mad for this.
Prepare coming days, weeks, months, and years for a shit-show comparable to Trump reaching to power and all the backstabbings.
>>508367Hes also not some chump in a suit. He had a long history in ussr
> A former colonel of Russian military intelligence,[2] Trenin served for 21 years in the Soviet Army and Russian Ground Forces, before joining Carnegie in 1994 [1]Trenin served in the Soviet and Russian armed forces from 1972 to 1993. His service included postings both inside and outside of the Soviet Union, to include a stint as the first non-NATO senior research fellow at the NATO Defense College in Rome.[3] He retired from the Russian Army in 1993 at the rank of colonel.
1972-1977: Officer cadet, Military Institute of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR (Moscow, Russia)
1975-1976: Interpreter, USSR Military Assistance Group (Baghdad, Iraq)
1978-1983: Liaison officer, Soviet External Relations Branch, HQ, Group of Soviet forces (Potsdam, Germany)
1985-1991: Staff member, Soviet delegation to the USSR-US talks on nuclear and space arms (Geneva, Switzerland)
1986-1993: Senior lecturer, War Studies Department, Soviet Military Institute (Moscow, Russia)
1993: Senior research fellow, NATO Defense College (Rome, Italy)
In 1994, Trenin was to begin a second doctoral dissertation with the National Defense University, becoming the first ex-Warsaw Pact officer to earn such a distinction. However, the Russian military informed Trenin, who had already arrived in Washington, D.C., that he was retired as an officer due to age (the military retirement age was lowered in 1993). Unable to continue with his dissertation, Trenin undertook a visiting professorship at the Vrije Universiteit Brussel in Brussels, Belgium, for the remainder of the year. From 1994-1997, Trenin was also a senior research fellow at the Institute of Europe of the Russian Academy of Sciences in Moscow, Russia.
>>508360Such a funny review of Trenin considering, as you said, that he is 100x more levelheaded than any Western analyst.
Here's a summary he wrote of Russia's growing interest in regional influence, helpful though obviously Russia-friendly
https://carnegiemoscow.org/commentary/86438I wish Russia had sided with Armenia
>>508371This is ideal Western analysis
>>508376Are there any particular people who write for Carnegie Moscow center that you recommended besides Dmitri?
I see this list on wiki page. Either way I'm going to browse their site!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie_Moscow_CenterDmitri Trenin, director of the center, chair of the research council and the Foreign and Security Policy Program.[6]
Alexander Gabuev, senior associate, chair of the Russia in the Asia-Pacific Program.[7]
Andrei Kolesnikov, senior associate, chair of the Russian Domestic Politics and Political Institutions Program.[8]
Andrey Movchan [Wikidata], nonresident scholar in the Economic Policy Program.[9]
Alexander Baunov, senior associate, editor-in-chief of Carnegie.ru.[10]
Maxim Samorukov, fellow, deputy editor of Carnegie.ru.[11]
>>508389Doubt they were ever 'radicals,' but yeah his stinky gamer ass personality is somehow catnip to millions of burgers
>>758145Voosh had no idea what he was talking about. Hinkle is mediocre tho
>>508371Comment:
>Funny how everyone actually living in the area supports Agent Kochinski's sideJesus fucking christ these fucking Agent Kochinskioids…
https://nitter.net/cossackgundiThis guy's bio:
>British national. >Ukrainian marine 2018-present>Previously YPG 2015-2017TOP JEJ. Is he basically a NATO mercenary?
>>508425True but have a little self-awareness. The same shit happens here. Back to Reddit homogeneity, I think it may be because they generally put a lot of stock into mainstream "elitist" opinion, i.e. they seem so similar because they lift it (more than average anyway) from the source: whatever the fuck "enlightened" media reports, opines, or markets. I think of Reddit as being characterized by a technocratic culture or baseline worldview, and many Redditors themselves are middle income salarymen who strongly believe in the system, believe that it's legitimately meritocratic, and believe because it works for them. They trust their perceived "technocratic" superiors are generally correct and well-meaning (they wouldn't be their superiors if they were not, it's not how the system works), and believe it's their duty to fall in line behind them, to take cues from them, and expect their inferiors to do the same thing. Like some human centipede type shit on a societal level. And as long as everyone does that, it's all Gucci. Because only the finest shit comes down to them from the top.
Now Redditors obviously aren't alone in lifting their ideas from "respected" sources, or plain old sources in general. It's what humans do, and we're better off for it. You can hear the same dumbass opinion #3074364 from a hundred average Joes but it's probably more likely to be a thought originated by themselves in their genuine ignorance than what you hear from your average Redditors.
Sorry if this is horribly written or dumb as fuck. I had to write quick so I can get back to some reading I need to do.
>>508336Down to the name even
The use of "Fasci" for social movements was first coined by Anarchists/Socialists in Italy (Sicily specifically)
>>508438Mfw king Lear is going to be proven wrong
🤣
>>508446Meanwhile covid keeps actually ravaging the world and the march towards climate catastrophe continues unabated.
>>508429>Great for cute cat pictures.Actually go have a look at r/aww. It's a hellscape of automated repost bots that often replicate "popular" threads within their submission for maximum karma farming and all manners of human centipede reposting worse than 4chan. It often takes minutes for content to be reposted.
Oh and there is the propaganda too for cop/army dogs, politician pets and social media account shilling. The content mill is slowly advancing towards the same conclusion as news media where the posts outright tell you how to feel and what is happening in the content even if it doesn't fit the actual submission.
>>508450Found a first number:
According to this guy, TASS telegram says 28000 people have already been evacuated to Russia.
https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1495316282593492994 >>508425If people say something not reddit they get downvoted so they learn to say only reddit things. Control the votes, control the narrative
There's a reason why a US military base got some award for being having the most users some years ago, can't figure out why
The most realistic take:
Troll WarStill, the Biden administration is brilliant at trolling the Kremlin. The Kremlin is like: “Let's attack! How we'll hit it! Yield to us if you don't want war."
Biden administration: "They're going to attack now! But we stand firm! Here are our proposals, if you want - accept, if you want - no!
And what should the Kremlin do now? Of course, accept.
Throughout its life, the USSR was preparing for war, but for the United States, this was not the most important thing. The USSR produced tanks and guns, rockets and bombs, and shouted that the imperialists were about to attack. And the United States, of course, also produced everything, but first of all, they developed the economy. And, in the end, when the size of both economies became incomparable (the Soviet one overstrained itself in armaments), Ronald Reagan took over and announced Star Wars.
And then the USSR went bankrupt. It turned out that the Soviet industry, dried up by the defense industry, could not compete with the United States when they turned on the afterburner.
In the story of the war with Ukraine, we are seeing something similar, but only in terms of PR.
It's been half a century since all the outcast countries have been asserting themselves at the expense of the United States. So accepted.
Iran, Sudan and Venezuela are burning American flags, their propagandists are shouting: "We'll hit you!", while the United States turns its head away with Olympian calm. And all the cries do not reach the top of Capitol Hill. There, serious politicians are busy with the only thing that worries them, namely, elections. Therefore, barking at the Capitol is easy and convenient. Like a paper tiger.
After the US withdrawal from Afghanistan, the Kremlin seems to have decided not to miss the moment. He began to transfer troops to Ukraine, whipping up military hysteria and trumping his own unpredictability. In-house Kremlin propagandists told how nuclear ashes would remain from Florida, patriotic TV moguls predicted victory in 48 hours.
In fact, it was very hard to imagine the Kremlin openly moving tanks into Ukraine, preceded by what unnamed White House sources now claim, this “terrible bloody campaign” with “two days of aerial bombardment.” In order to doubt this, one did not have to be a military specialist who could count battalion tactical groups.
It's just not the Kremlin's style.
He prefers to fight in such a way that everything can be attributed to volunteers, "miners and tractor drivers." He prefers to strike stealthily, before the West comes to its senses and develops a unanimous opinion: the annexation of Crimea and the Russian-Georgian war happened exactly when they were not expected.
He prefers to fight in such a way that any victory (for example, the capture of Palmyra) could be shown on TV, and any defeat (for example, the death of the same Russian mercenaries from American air strikes near Deir al-Zor or from Turkish Bayraktars in Syria and Libya) could be passed over in complete silence.
And the tank columns thrown to storm Kiev cannot be passed over in silence and cannot be blamed on tractor drivers.
How exactly will an open military invasion of Ukraine end for the Kremlin? Will the Russian army take Kiev in 48 hours, or will it meet with fierce resistance, which will become a military, image and political disaster for Moscow?
Answer: it is unknown, and this is the most important thing.
This is the main feature of a real war: no one knows its outcome. "Tell King Croesus: crossing the Galis, he will destroy the great kingdom." Which kingdom will be destroyed is unclear. That is why the Kremlin does not like a real war and prefers a hybrid war to it, in which the main thing is not to win, but to lie.
As a result, the Kremlin was blown up by its own grenade. He saber-rattled and traded in his own unpredictability, he rolled out an ultimatum, confident that they would agree with the main, important for Russia part of the ultimatum, and this could be passed off as a victory.
But it turned out that this game - the game of a fake threat of war - can be played by two people. That the Kremlin's ultimatum did not frighten anyone. That the West began to supply Ukraine with Javelins and Stingers. These shipments daily increase the price of a probable invasion, and most importantly, they attract the attention of the whole world to it. And most importantly, leaks and even direct quotes that the Kremlin is about to invade Ukraine have poured out of the White House. Biden even named the date : February 16.
Why February 16th?
Very simple. Because this week Russia will receive the final American proposals. If Putin does not want to fight, he will have no choice but to accept them, and
Biden will come out of this story as a winner who prevented a terrible war. Very useful after the shameful withdrawal from Afghanistan.This position is beneficial for the United States, they are openly raising the stakes, including in order to bring the vacillating European allies to a common denominator.
The Kremlin found itself in a trap of its own making.
To fight with Ukraine is, you know, not to smear Navalny's underpants with "Novichok".
It doesn't even translate from Chechen a promise to cut off heads. This is serious business. Russia has a tradition of small victorious wars. Its results are not inspiring. Of course, you can raise the stakes, recognize the "DPR" and "LPR", as the Duma just asked to do, but do you understand what's the matter? After all, if we recognize the independence of the "DNR" and "LNR", then we certainly will not be able to demand the implementation of the Minsk agreements.
If the Kremlin starts a war, it will lose the war. If he doesn't start, he will lose face. The cynical calculation is that the West has nothing to lose. If the Kremlin is really so irrational that it is going to fight, then the West is much better off if this war starts on the territory of a country that is not a member of NATO. From a military point of view, this will allow Russia to be defeated by proxy and get off with the supply of military equipment without losing its own citizens on the battlefield, which always leads to a drop in the rating of an elected politician. Of course, the war in Ukraine, from the point of view of the West, is bad, but it is better than if, for example, the Kremlin chop off Narva and threaten NATO with a nuclear war if they decide to defend the territory of their member.
The United States has begun to play with the Kremlin by its own rules and, it must be said, they are playing brilliantly.The only thing that confuses me is that the former Olympic ignorance was somehow more to the face of the superpower.
All this pandemonium with leaked invasion plans and three, no, four, no, six sources from the White House smells bad.
It turns out that the Kremlin, instead of fighting poverty or noticing that promises coming from Chechnya to cut heads undermine its own monopoly on violence, imprisons teenagers for blowing up the FSB building in Minecraft. And the United States, instead of fighting real threats like China, Iran or Afghanistan, is fighting what is easy and pleasant to fight: global warming, sexism, racism, and the Kremlin.
https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2022/02/16/voina-trolleiBtw the Chief military expert in Russia (Mihail Hodorenok) the most respected one who gets invited to all state TV channels and talk shows like Soloviev says that a Russian Blitzkreig in Ukraine is impossible and that Russia will likely get BTFO by Ukraine.
https://youtu.be/2NZYLAb7Qx0https://youtu.be/cOH3N7ZicmkWithout using nuclear weapons Russia will lose that war. All talk about how Russia will defeat the Ukranian army in 48 hours is bullshit.
What can be a real war between Russia and Ukraine: the answer to couch expertsIt will not be easy and fast, as some claim.
Against the background of the aggravation of the geopolitical situation, when the opinion is actively spreading in the West that Russia is about to attack Ukraine, in Russia itself the idea that this war will be lightning-fast is increasingly heard.
ForPost has paid attention to this issue more than once. For example, we wrote that Western weapons will not save Ukraine , that warships bought in the West will not help Ukraine gain a foothold in the Black Sea .
But what will be the open armed conflict of our countries, if it really happens?
Some analysts say it will be a ten-minute war. But this is not so , according to the ex-head of the group of the 1st direction of the 1st directorate of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Colonel Mikhail Khodarenok.
The expert argues that it will not be possible to crush the Ukrainian defense with one blow, and one should not underestimate the enemy, who, although not fresh, is not as weak as it seems.“Of course, MOU (massive fire strike - approx.) will inflict heavy losses on a potential enemy. But to expect to crush the armed forces of an entire state with just one such blow means to show simply unbridled optimism in the course of planning and conducting hostilities. In the course of hypothetical strategic actions, such MOUs will have to be applied not one or two, but much more, ”Khodarenok writes.
According to him,
Russia does not have enough modern weapons to wage a long war. We are talking about Zircon hypersonic missiles, which are not even in service yet. The number of "Caliber", "Daggers" and missiles to the "Iskander" is still measured in the hundreds at best.“This arsenal is absolutely not enough to wipe out a state the size of France and with a population of more than 40 million from the face of the Earth. Namely, Ukraine is characterized by such parameters,” the author sums up.Finally, in his opinion, one should not underestimate the enemy in the air, because some kind of aviation and air defense are still present in Ukraine. And, for example, the Chechen fighters did not have a single plane at all, and they drank a lot of blood from the federal troops.
In addition, over the past decade, according to the author, the Ukrainian army has moved to a qualitatively new level thanks to the ideology and implemented NATO standards.
“Of course, today the Armed Forces of Ukraine are significantly inferior to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in terms of their combat and operational capabilities. No one doubts this, neither in the East nor in the West. But this army cannot be taken lightly either. In this regard, one must always remember the testament of Alexander Suvorov: “Never despise your enemy, do not consider him stupider and weaker than you,” Khodarenok recalls.
https://sevastopol.su/news/kakoy-mozhet-byt-realnaya-voyna-rossii-i-ukrainy-otvet-divannym-ekspertam >>508463Bruh this is literally the same territory the Germs blitzed in '41 and that the Soviets retook in '43.
>>508465This is why they should EVACUATE THE FUCKING POPULATION. They should be dragging babushka onto the goddamn bus at this point.
Also, this is assuming the Ukrop army is completely hardened, ready, trained and equipped and with the political will in Kiev to keep it going.
Remember France in 1940, remember Iraq in 1991, remember Afghanistan in 2020.
>>508480it wasn't a common occurrence just like how right now isn't a common occurrence
WWI broke the peace period after Napoleon just like how
VLADOLF PUTLER is now trying to break the peace after Hitler
>>508477Yeah it actually does. Storms, blizzards, rain, fog, all impede operations.
The US Air Force talks about "controlling the weather by 2025".
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9880231 >>508479Yeah see the things is mate, nobody's been assassinated yet.
It's not 1914. Even if Zelensky or Putin was, there still wouldn't be war.
>>508480>Expect this isn't pre world war 1 Europe when conflicts like this were a common occurrenceThey weren't. Within Europe, the period between 1815 to 1914 was on of the most peaceful in history. You had two wars, the Crimean War which was fought on the edges of Europe and the goal was to control Afghanistan, and the German unification wars that were fought relatively swift and relatively unbloody.
People back then also fought nothing significant will happen, and if something happens, it will be a swift campaign and we are home by fall. Some people of course suspected something, like the expressionists, who anticipated a cathartic event which can be seen in their painting style.
There is a book by Christopher Clarke called "The Sleepwalkers", he is a liberal who also admires the Prussian military state and views history not very structurally, but he depicts it pretty well how the rulers of Europe "sleepwalked" into this.
>>508485They tried to assassinate the head of the DPR with a car bomb.
>there still wouldn't be war.Can you please explain me why are you assured of this? Do have a mole at the Munich Security Conference who gives you assurances? I don't know if you noticed but we have a global capitalist crisis due to the pandemic (or rather, the response to it), a massive profitability crisis, the decline of the US as the unipolar power that desperately tries to dislodge Germany from Russia due to Nord Stream 2, and then there is the China issue. Then in particular in the Ukraine you have an irredentionist government that wants to take back regions it perceived as stolen from them by a foreign power, is very militarized, with Nazis in the military.
I am not saying something
will happen, but to constantly call the looming spectre of war "nothingburger" and call everyone who worries about it "happooner" is complete wrecker behavior with regards to the anti-war movement.
>>508489shit bro you're onto something
Vladimir -> 8 characters
Putin -> 5 characters
Adolf -> 5 characters
Hitler -> 6 characters
13 - 11 = 2 fronts of war with Russia and China
PATRIOTS WE ARE A GO FOR OPERATION RESTORE GLOBAL FREEDOM >>508487That picture is not Ekaterina Gubareva. Current minister for foreign affairs is Nataliya Nikonorova. Gubareva was minister for 3 months in the middle of the crisis lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nataliya_NikonorovaHonestly that response is weird. That you keep tabs on people who were in office for three months in a small breakaway republic 8 years ago, and immediately post it as fake news as a response. Wtf?
>>508496I looked up the term
>foreign minister of the Donezk People's Republic As the person had titled their photo on the post then researched the person. They didn't provide a name
>>508495That's why I said
>within Europe>>508499Then that's a weird algorithm. But I can corrobarate, I got the same result.
>>508516eh
did you get tested?
That's a bit of a bold statement.
>>508520Communism is when you sit at the big table, revisionism is when you think communism is having a big economy.
We're scientific socialists.
>>508521That's exactly the problem. Yes they should, but it doesn't mean Syria is anything like socialist just because the US attacked it.
>>508519>2 or 3 seats out of 250 in the People's Council (2 different parties)Yeah, this is definitely why NATO attacked Syria.
>>508524They attacked Syria because it's an obstacle to imperialism in the region and pipeline plans.
Very funny that anonymous pseuds think they know Syria better than Syrian Communists.
>>508538They're not so different to communists. Gaddafi especially.
But even if you don't count them, there's the Philippines, Turkey, India, Burma. And communists in every country.
>>508545And he kicked out the American oligarchs like Bill Browder and others. A better example is Afghanistan, full of rabid anticommunists like the Taliban. Your Cold War era thinking is wanting.
>>508546>Gaddafi a socialistYeah, nationalized utilities and subsidies for new families, what a socialist
>>508557kek the RAND corporation needs a research paper to tell them to do what Russell Bentley is already doing.
The meme that communists can't get anything done without consulting a bunch of different committees is projection as always.
>>508553That's different from American oligarchs owning Gazprom outright. Also these US-Russia ties have not prevented the US from harming its own business (a tiny amount, because these ties are actually not that strong) by putting the Magnitsky sanctions on Russia. China will offer a competent replacement for these relationships eventually.
The US has frozen the assets of the Afghan Central Bank and won't give them to the Taliban. The US hates them and is causing hunger for their peasants by not releasing the money.
>>508561Large chunks of the Russian economy are owned by foreign capitalista as was the case before 1917.
http://vkpb.ru/ideologiya-ekonomika-politika/911-ubivaet-rossiyu-kapitalizm.html>Already today in Russia 65% of industry belongs to foreign capital, 90% of trade is foreign trade networks. 76% of railway engineering is owned by foreigners. 77% of non-ferrous metallurgy enterprises also belong to them. In all other sectors - 45-60% of foreign capital. Most of the boards of directors of oil and gas enterprises are foreigners, and the main banks also.The US isn't harming jack shit among Russian capitalists, sanctions don't harm the bourgeoisie, only the proletariat.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/taliban-tells-berlin-it-will-welcome-german-companies-aid-2021-09-06/ >>508562It is not enough for the US that each country is capitalist. They must be capitalist AND economically and politically subordinated to the US. They see the idea of another capitalist power as awful as they see communism.
>Large chunksIt is not enough for the US, in the case of Russia
>TalibanDid the 20 years of occupation and death not mean anything? They are actually on the same side because now they would take any investment, Western included?
>sanctionsThey do hurt business and profit margins, they physically hurt proles. If it were really the case that Russia and the US were so aligned, why would the US cause discontent with sanctions? Why wouldn't Russia give up its nukes and military independence?
>>508498Ah yes, nuclear weapons to a country with Azov freaks in the military.
Going the TNO Burgundy path at last.
>>508563>They see the idea of another capitalist power as awful as they see communism. Bullshit. The US waged genocidal warfare against Korea and Vietnam, absolutely nothing like how it did against Iraq, a quick shock and awe campaign. Also there's effectively no independent capitalist powers today.
The Taliban were never really enemies of the US bourgeoisie, they got their training as thugs fighting the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan and the Soviet Army.
>>508569No, it's a NOTAM, so they declare it before hand and the actual enforcement occurs at the exercise start time
Honestly it's probably just to keep the hohols on edge rather than indicate anything
Anyways, any Russian intervention is going to be done on Yugoslav Wars line. Mostly stand off weapons and air power with the goals of enforcing a Minsk 3 deal while destroying the Ukrainian military. Ground intervention would be fairly limited
>>508567>Korea and VietnamWhile USSR and communist China existed, and they won/stalemated their wars
>IraqBecause they actually lost the war, relatively quickly lol. US also killed half a million Iraqi children with sanctions in the 90s
>there's effectively no independent capitalist powers today.Partly because of the nature of capital, and partly because of exactly what NATO is doing to Russia.
No arms seller cares about the ideological makeup of the people its weapons kill. Inter-imperialist wars exist
>>508567Also
>The Taliban were never really enemies of the US bourgeoisie, they got their training as thugs fighting the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan and the Soviet Army.This is unbelievably stupid. "Blowback can't exist, because allegiances last forever."
>>508576>Because they actually lost the war, relatively quickly lolHow? They wanted to topple Hussein and plunge Iraq into chaos so they pilfer the land and turn it into an army base and that's what they did.
>No arms seller cares about the ideological makeup of the people its weapons kill. Inter-imperialist wars Where?
>>508577The Taliban has never once attacked the USA.
>>508588Fog of war
Maximum information warfare engaged.
>>508579>The Taliban has never once attacked the USA.And the US attacked the Taliban. Because they are aligned, lol. No, because arms sales matter more than who trained who in the 80s.
>They wanted to topple Hussein and plunge Iraq into chaos so they pilfer the land and turn it into an army base and that's what they did.No, Iraq lost the war, Vietnam and DPRK did not. That's part of the reason the US was genocidal in Vietnam in comparison.
>>508594The US invaded to grow opium.
The USA killed over two million Vietnamese via their fascist bombing campaign, much more than Iraq.
>>508597You do not break a bet. The lowest of the low. All a man has is his word. To break that makes him worthless.
Scumbag.
>>508564We are going nuclear with a country full of freaks. Well, bros, I always believed I would never see the U.S. decline, but the choppers taking off Kabul was beuatiful.
I believe I won't see a nuclear winter, but I am conviced the atlaticists are willing to risk a falseflag.
>>508579>The Taliban has never once attacked the USA.>The Taliban has never once attacked the USA.>The Taliban has never once attacked the USA>The Taliban has never once attacked the USA.Not amused you started to spek things out of your ass:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_in_the_War_in_Afghanistan
>Chief Warrant Officer Christopher M. Allgaier33Company B, 3rd General Support Aviation Battalion, 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade, 82nd Airborne DivisionMiddleton, WisconsinOne of five U.S. soldiers killed along with a British soldier and Canadian soldier when a CH-47 Chinook transport helicopter was shot down by Taliban fighters in Kajaki, Helmand province, Afghanistan on May 30, 2007http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2004/oef.casualties/index.html
>inb4 dilateAlways a class traitor pseud, always a class traitor pseud.
>>508618>no intention to invadeWow, what a
POLDIMIR POTLER moment
>>508617>he dilates.I said inb4 dilate, you can't dilate, you have to bring proofs of counterevidence disproving the official claims. How many unclassified CIA documents say they had a political goal of hiding the killers of soldiers in this or any other war?
And I agree, they did hide the Lusitana ship, they might even hid soldiers MIA that probably saw some weird U.S. shit, but a let all killed soldiers by Afghanistan taliban h0ax h0ax is the most schizo thing you have said after your anti-vax shit.
Stay in a schizo-containing room, please.
>>508619Yep. Diplomatic postures still on the talks.
>>508637Hes
retarded retired isnt he?
#Breaking US Embassy in #Moscow issues a security warning regarding possible threats of attacks against a number of public places, including in Moscow and St. Petersburg.
HAPPENING HAPPENING
https://ru.usembassy.gov/security-alert-u-s-mission-russia-february-20-2022/>>508630Big bad Taliban killed them all did they? Not just random farmers?
>>508631Lackeys, neocolonial administrators etc
>>508654>Big bad Taliban killed them all did they? Not just random farmers? >dilateStay mad.
>>508652Seems the U.S. is not over yet.
>>508648kek.
https://vk.com/feed?w=wall-85596321_114056Apparently, there is already the escalation of muh Russian PMCs in Donbas. This group dismantles the lies:
>Well, the horse about Russian PMCs in Donbas was immediately saddled by Ukrainians.
>There is no shortage of volunteers in the Donbas, and the mobilization of the entire male population of the republics has already been announced. Russian PMCs, who emerged from the crucible of 2014-2015, now have enough tasks in Africa and the Middle East. Somehow, there is no logical sense in attracting them, given the readiness to use regular troops to protect the Russian-speaking population.
>Horror stories about “Wagner PMCs” in Donbas are aimed rather at the European audience, which for a couple of years now has been fed fables about the imaginary atrocities of “mercenaries” in the Central African Republic and Syria.
>Perhaps, Ukraine, under the guise of protection from the mighty Russian knights, as the “Wagner PMC” was once dubbed in Serbia, will be given an additional aid package in the form of a couple of thousand helmets and body armor.Gotta love those "horro" stories in fact all come from bellingcat.
https://vk.com/video/@shtab24?z=video-206639135_456244256%2Fclub206639135%2Fpl_-206639135_-2AW LALWApparantly
RUSSIAN T-90s Crossed the Belgorod border (to the Donbas)
TANKIE GANG, ASSEMBLY >>508657>Putin not invading is fizzleFor the last time, you morons - Russia invading Ukraine wasn't the issue, it's the worse case scenario. Without clear Russian aggression that the US can point to after all its yelling, it can't sell killing Nordstream 2 to other porkies. Which means we would really see just how much it's worth to the US, because
US might escalate the situation.
>>508669>>508668Damn, their European buddies will get yelled at by the atlantic council.
>>508662ctrl+f in 12.0/13.0, Belgorod=0 Results… wut?
>>508671>The Senate blocked a measure to impose new sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline from Russia to Germany after the Biden administration warned it could disrupt allied unity in the confrontation over Ukraine.https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-14/senate-blocks-sanctions-aimed-at-stopping-nord-stream-2-pipeline
>Austria is sticking with its opposition to including the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline in a package of sanctions against Moscow that the European Union is preparing in the event Russia invades Ukraine, Foreign Minister Alexander Schallenberg said on Friday.https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/austria-resists-including-nord-stream-2-eu-package-russia-sanctions-2022-02-11/The ruling class is divided. The rhetoric constantly changes, is often two-faced, is always vague and nobody is committing to anything. This is
more dangerous than unanimity and naked hostility.
>>508673i didn't see it on leftypol, i saw it probably on one of these accounts but be forewarned they're mostly libs
https://twitter.com/RALee85https://twitter.com/KofmanMichaelhttps://twitter.com/NotWoofershttps://twitter.com/EndGameWW3 <- cringiest fucker but it's good to get the NATO viewpoint
>>508666I think yes, if only a small scale invasion
also what about Chechen wars? post-soviet Russia is not pacifist
>>508675Stepan Bandera's Ukrainian Insurgent Army flag.
The red-black is supposed to represent Blut und Boden.
>>508674>The Senate blocked a measure to impose new sanctionsKek, I wished that happen. That was the unhinged rethugs, like Ted mmmmwweah whiny Cruz. That would put the U.S. like the pariahs they deserve to be.
>>508676And you dared not to post it? mfw
>>508618If they actually seized the territory, Ukraine could join NATO. The entire goal here is not for
Putler to invade and annex territory, but to create NATO buffer regions around Russian borders.
>>508694kek
Let's see how western media twists the protection sent to Donbas as an act of aggression.
That's what they wanted And liberals say that's an invasion.
>>508698What reference?
unironically.
Sorry for being a zoomer, but I don't know the fuck are you talking about.
>>508624>>508621Read to who I am responding to, pay attention closely before melting down.
The argument that multivectorial geopolitical forces can't exist because it is all a giant scheme of things of the same capitalists ruling class, to justify some weird fixation against Russia, is what I am trying to disprove to him.
NTA
>>508577 but leninhat indeed in unbieveably stupid.
>>508728ukr = ukraine
op = glowie operation
>>508732dill is my favorite herb
stop shitting on dill
there is no okroshka without dill
>>508734Wow, thanks for clarifying that
reporting on intelligence is accurate. Can I see the intelligence itself,
please? Or at least some questioning of the intelligence?
Borrell compares Russia and China to "Franco's Spain" and advocates defending the multilateral order
MADRID, Feb. 20 (EUROPA PRESS) -
The High Representative for Foreign Policy of the EU, Josep Borrell, has charged this Sunday against Russia and China for trying to convert the multilateral system that emerged after the Second World War into a multipolar and relativist system dominated by powers such as Beijing and Moscow, to the which has been compared to the Franco dictatorship.
"Let's talk about 'authentic democracy'. By adding qualifying adjectives it reminds us of the Soviet era, when the communist regimes spoke of 'popular democracy' or the 'organic democracy' of Franco's Spain", stated Borrell during his speech before the Munich Security Conference.
"Thirty years after the end of the Cold War, we face an attempt to redefine the fundamental principles of the multilateral order," he pointed out.
Thank you for watching
"The outcome of this war will determine whether the post-war multilateral system, centered on the UN, International Law and universal rights, survives. Or whether it will be replaced by a multipolar order based on power, with zones of influence and a relativistic approach to human rights," he warned.
Faced with these proposals, Borrel has proposed "avoid appearing to be defensive or looking back." "In fact, it is Russia and China that want to go back to the 19th century, to the struggle between empires, and Russia and China are becoming more assertive and want to restore the old empires that have been in the past," he added. .
Borrell has addressed the concept of the "battle of narratives" and has referred to the Russian-Chinese joint statement on February 4, "the culmination of a long campaign." "It is an act of defiance. It is clear: it is a revisionist manifesto. A manifesto to revise the world order," she warned.
For this reason, Borrell asks "to read it carefully". "One of the most shocking phrases says that 'Russia and China will face attempts by external forces to undermine security and stability in their adjacent common regions,'" Borrell stressed, and in this sense Russia and China have expressed their rejection to the "color revolutions".
"I think it is not a semantic debate, but a political one. We see daily how in multilateral organizations there is a battle over the universality of human rights. The authoritarian powers – not only Russia and China – want to relativize the notion of individual rights by subjecting them to local and cultural constraints," he said.
All this "would mean putting an end to all the progress made in the last 75 years." "That is why we must resist this Russo-Chinese revisionist attempt to redefine concepts. In short, yes, we must speak the language of power as I have said on other occasions, but also be aware of the power of language," he stressed.
https://www.europapress.es/internacional/noticia-borrell-compara-rusia-china-espana-franco-aboga-defender-orden-multilateral-20220220193130.html >>508746They don't need to make it sound logical. Is not like they care now about those things. They are where they want now, and they only need to do what they know their best: Do goebbelian propaganda.
Meanwhile liberals in the U.S. media and some "leftists".
https://t.me/rtnews/20678OSCE records an
increased use of heavy weapons proscribed by the Minsk agreements in Eastern Ukraine, "resulting in rapidly increasing reports of damage and casualties" - OSCE Secretary General said.
>>508745>Soviet era, when the communist regimes spoke of 'popular democracy' What a piece of shit.
The EU absolutely loves lumping fascism and communism together.
>>5087715 minutes
it's happening in 5 minutes
>>508774>Blitzkrieg or Minor Incursion? Putin’s Choice Could Determine World ReactionAnother banger from the same author( 18th feb)
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/18/world/the-us-says-its-willing-to-risk-being-wrong-over-its-warnings-of-an-invasion.html<The U.S. says it’s willing to risk being wrong over its warnings of an invasion.>MUNICH — President Biden and his top aides acknowledge that they are risking American credibility as they constantly renew the alarm that Russia is only “several days” away from triggering a land war in Europe that could plunge the world back into something resembling the Cold War. But Mr. Biden’s aides say they are willing to take that risk.They would rather be accused of hyperbole and fearmongering than be proven right, they say, if that’s what it takes to
deter President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia from pursuing an invasion that they worry will not stop at Ukraine’s borders.
>“If Russia doesn’t invade Ukraine, then we will be relieved that Russia changed course and proved our predictions wrong,” Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken said at the United Nations Security Council on Thursday.Somehow NATO couping Ukraine and wanting to roll in their military/missile whatever to Russia's border has become "Russia wants to Blitzkrieg all over Europe"
They sure love mongering war.
>>508802There are only two kinds of people:
Ukrainees and Ukrainers
>>508816maybe Putin really is planning to invade all of Europe for no reason and start a devastating world war of aggression that he's destined to lose with absolutely no justification or manufactured consent. It's not technically impossible.
Or maybe Russia found the mole in their intelligence and they're purposefully giving them more and more incorrect information, to see how long it takes the US to figure it out.
>>508828 (me)
A win over nazism is not a win for Putin, a win over nazism is a win for communism.
>>508848Do you like never browse 4chan? They've supported Russia strongly for years. As does patriots.win
On /Pol/ they also love Gaddafi and Assad
>>5088484chins is mostly contrarian faggots, they see the lib media supporting cuckraine and screeching about PUTLER so they take the diametrically opposing view.
Most westerners are also probably unaware of Azov and assorted neo-nazis operating in Ukraine too.
>>508851
>love Gaddafi and AssadWhy lie? They hate "sandniqqers"
>>508845They are just a reflection of the rethugs who think that instead of wasting time on Putin they should attack China at once.
>>508855People there do know about Azov battalion. It's obvious to them that is just western funded unserious extremist that are unrelatable to them
It sends you many red flags when you yourself are far right in a western country and media will shit on you non stop and attack then when it comes to Azov the Atlantic council is ok with them + Israel gave them arms
It's an obvious OP. Just like the syrian "rebels". People on /pol/ can see thru that and have no interest in siding with them
>>508868Which regarding the immigration they'll quote Gaddafi too. They see him as someone who assisted in keep migration down and that Libya was better while he was the leader + Hillary hated gaddafi
>Gaddafi wants EU cash to stop African migrantshttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11139345
>Gaddafi demands €5bn a year 'to stop the EU turning black'Libyan leader Colonel Muammar al-Gaddafi has ended his visit to Italy by calling on the European Union to pay his country €5 billion (£4.13bn) a year to ensure its co-operation in preventing illegal immigration from Africa, which "threatens to turn Europe black".
https://www.scotsman.com/news/gaddafi-demands-eu5bn-year-stop-eu-turning-black-2442139 Watch this vice cucklord try to explain Azov as German history larpers.
5:30-6:00ish
https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=1kXprJk8hm4(YouTube front-end)
>>508881>making your decisions based on /pol/the culture wars are tough huh
>>508880this is the the best putlerism we've had yet, 9.5/10
>>508881that's it
I'm UKROP gang now to own /pol/
>>508890Found some somewhat corroborating "sources"
>Feroces combates entre las milicias de la RPD y el ejército Ucraniano cerca de Mariupol. Video de posiciones ucranianas"https://nitter.net/DOGDEGA/status/1495585700422598656#mThis one apparently from DPR channel
>Massive bombardment by Ukraine, internet keeps cutting out, he talked to some of the people he knows who are stationed near Mariupol front, they say that Ukraine has made a breakthrough in the frontline.https://nitter.net/Archb98/status/1495590607384989699#m Unique IPs: 145