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https://liveuamap.com/Live updates from Texan commie boomer in Donbass:
https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTexacFor Russiabros, analysis from Boris Rozhin:
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/ (has a telegram, lots of cool stuff there too)
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"Modern Ukraine was completely created by Russia," Putin says in speech to the nation“
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495832687227068422Putin: "We are ready to show you what true de-Communization means to Ukraine."“
https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1495833069676335104“PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE'S ADMISSION TO NATO IS A DIRECT THREAT TO RUSSIA'S SECURITY || NATO TRAINING CENTRES ESTABLISHED IN UKRAINE AMOUNT TO NATO MILITARY BASES“
https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1495840775082737664Putin says Ukraine is a "U.S. colony" with a "puppet regime"
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495840971208429568“Russia claims Ukraine invaded Russia and says 5 Ukrainian soldiers were killed and two APCs destroyed near Rostov.
https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1495745864320831492Putin, in televised address on Ukraine crisis, talks about a "nationalistic virus" says 1991 collapse of Soviet Union saw Russia robbed
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1495834881028411393“Putin: "Why did we have to transfer the rights to the territories that had been part of the Russian Empire?"“
https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1495832267687669763PUTIN SPEECH WAS PRERECORDED:
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1495775697121517570Russia & Syria officially recognize LNR and DPR
https://mobile.twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1495845600834822147Syria recognizing LNR/DPR
https://twitter.com/the_ragex/status/1495847706555781123Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua likely to recognize the Donetsk and Lugansk republics shortly
https://twitter.com/the_ragex/status/1495850619487371265Putin Calls For Ukraine To Break Apart
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/russian-president-putin-ukraine-break-apart_n_6213d491e4b0ef74d724b3a0"President Biden will soon issue an Executive Order that will prohibit new investment, trade, and financing by U.S. persons to, from, or in the so-called DNR and LNR regions of Ukraine," Jen Psaki says following recognition by Putin of regions as "independent."
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1495858379243282434
>EU leadership @vonderleyen & @eucopresident say that bloc will react with sanctions "against those involved in this illegal act" of recognising Donetsk and Luhansk. >Suggests individual, targeted sanctions: not the big ol' war package that everyone has been talking up for weeks.https://twitter.com/HenryJFoy/status/1495853591764082700Communist Party of Russia has just endorsed Putin's call to recognise the DNR and LNR.
Zyuganov: "Look how zealous the Americans and British are now. They forced Ukraine to send almost all its troops to the Donetsk-Luhansk region. More than 100k in a patch of 40-50km."
https://twitter.com/pawelwargan/status/1495857447973572610https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-russia-us-biden-sanctions-donetsk-luhansk/>The senior administration official offered a caveat that "Russian troops moving into Donbas would not itself be a new step," since it has had a military presence in the region for eight years. Though Moscow has denied this is the case, "Russia now looks like it's going to be operating openly in that region," the official said. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/21/putin-sends-troops-breakaway-territories-00010447>The official, who requested anonymity in order to discuss sensitive issues, wouldn’t call the move an invasion, however, saying “Russian troops moving into Donbas would not itself be a new step. Russia has had forces in the Donbas for the past eight years.”https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082146367/putin-ukraine-donetsk-luhansk>Russian troops moving into the Donbas would not itself be a new step. Russia has had forces in the Donbas region for the last eight years," a senior administration official told reporters on a briefing call Monday evening.EXCLUSIVE (Reuters) Biden administration has prepared export controls to hit Russian companies with alleged military ties and deny Russians access to global technology, including electronics and computers
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1496170434290724878ACTIVE
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https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HappeningsviaKlash >>511011TBH he could have said that the current ruling class in Ukraine is NATO and that NATO wants to shit up Russia without getting into WW1 tzarist cope.
Probably costed him some friendship with azerbaijan, Armenia, Belarus, Mongolia and the central asian countries.
TL:DR Putin is a retard.
>>511022Such a weird complex, China is not involved in this.
Ukraine is not a real country btw
Consistent with our views regarding imperialism and the national question, unlike many Communists and communist parties (like for example KKE), I don't consider the conflict in eastern Ukraine an intra-imperialist conflict between two large imperialist camps of the "west" and the "east". In my opinion, this is nothing more than imperialist aggression against the current national bourgeois government of Russia which tries to push back against the imperialist forces, and it is not in isolation from the general world-imperialist offensive against the proletariat of the world. Thus, by default, we in general, support the Russians (both the ones living in Russia, and the ones living in Ukraine) for both anti-imperialist reasons and due to reasons of our view regarding the national question.
What do we mean by the national question? In my opinion nations are not subjective things, but objective things. They are not determined by statehood, or the official citizenship of a person. In this regard, there are no "Russophone Ukrainians'' as the government in Kiev claims. If Ukrainians are indeed a separate nation from Russia, then they should not keep by force what is essentially a Russian population being native in its eastern region in a non-Russian state. This amounts to nothing more than chauvinism, and since both our principles against chauvinism, and our principles against imperialism align, our position is completely clear regarding the issue in the eastern regions. The Kiev government is nothing more than an imperialist comprador, willing to plunge completely Ukraine into the abyss for regions which have almost no Ukrainians (if the Russian speaking population there is Ukrainian, then there is no difference between of Ukraine and Russia), and thus, we cannot even think of supporting it in this war.
Regarding the imperialist aims at war, I think that a world war over Ukraine is unlikely. Even if the Russians "invade" Ukraine, as the imperialists claim, I do not think that NATO forces will do anything close to engaging directly in this war, and this is why neither Ukraine or Georgia still are not in NATO. If Ukraine enters NATO, NATO has two options: disband, or follow its own charter which says that if one NATO member is attacked, all should attack the attacker. Since Crimea technically part of Ukraine, this would mean that Europe and America would be forced to directly fight Russia, something which the imperialist powers aren't willing to do. Otherwise, Ukraine and Georgia would be in NATO already. Nonetheless, in both cases (i.e.. Russo-Ukrainian war escalating, or NATO getting involved and starting a full scale world war) we will support Russia, and keep opposing imperialist and compradors governments who are willing to enter our nations to a war against Russia, a nuclear power, due to the whims of the cosmopolitan bourgeoisie and their drive for super-profit to satisfy their profit requirements and also satisfy the huge labor aristocracy that is shrinking in the home population of the imperialist nations.
We call for there to be no imperialist war against Russia and for a civil war against our comprador bourgeoisie. Our nations are at stake, and it is not a question of theory and neither is a question of just putting the working class in power, it is a question of the survival of our nations, which can only survive when its builders, the proletariat, smash the bourgeoisie state and put their own dictatorship in its place, and purge the destroyer of nations, capitalism, to the dustbin of history.
>>511010>>511022You're very unstable and foaming at the mouth, my little ultra leftist friend. You have never seen war or suffering beyond old war movies, media and entertainment.
Since you mentioned them, I wanted to say how much I support and respect China. The blossoming Russian-Chinese relationship is truly historical and will change the entire global paradigm.
Even geopolitics aside, I really respect China. The rapid advancement and powerful economic structure you guys have is very inspiring. In many ways, you succeeded where we fell. The USSR needed structural reform, yet unfortunately it buckled under western pressure and collapsed. China, on the other hand, managed to refine its system to harness the raw, brute power of capitalism while still maintain strong State control. It’s a marvel of systems what China has accomplished in this regard.
Im very optimistic about the future of Russian-Chinese relations because I see how much young Russians support China. While there have some pro-West nuts, most of those in my friend group really support China strongly. In the 1990’s, Russia was socioeconomically destroyed and many Russians began worshipping the West while Americans would use their (and our Ukrainian) women and children as prostitutes and laugh at the starving Russians on the street.
Today, after 20 years of Putin’s repairing-the-country reforms (thank God) Russia is back on its feet. The majority of Russians view the United States very poorly. Patriotism in their country has grown, and with it their love for China.
>>511031This, and it was a very simple point too. reading it wrong means you are either paid or a giga brainlet.
>>511027based
>>511027Some people here think Russia did a color revolution in the Donbas, and though that seems to be true, these people discredit the independence of these regions for that reason. What do you think of this?
>>511040seething
>>511059If Gonzalo thought and protracted people's war is universally applicable, why isn't it happening everywhere?
Checkmate.
>>511063East Germany was stable, had not enough peasants, comparatively speaking. All the Eastern Europe got it's elections after 1945, where communists won everywhere. Again, not everywhere peasantry was dominant.
Revolution happens in the WEAKEST LINK countries
>>511027Consistent with our views regarding jannies and the moderation question, unlike many Communists and communist parties (like for example KKE), I don't consider the conflict in Ukraine thread an intra-imperialist conflict between two large imperialist camps of the "west" and the "east". In my opinion, this is nothing more than Leninhat aggression against the current national bourgeois government of leftypol which tries to push back against the imperialist forces, and it is not in isolation from the general world-imperialist offensive against the proletariat of the world. Thus, by default, we in general, support the Russians (both the ones living in Russia, and the ones living in Ukraine) for both anti-imperialist reasons and due to reasons of our view regarding the national question.
What do we mean by the national question? In my opinion nations are not subjective things, but objective things. They are not determined by statehood, or the official citizenship of a person. In this regard, there are no "Russophone Ukrainians'' as the government in Kiev claims. If Ukrainians are indeed a separate nation from Russia, then they should not keep by force what is essentially a Russian population being native in its eastern region in a non-Russian state. This amounts to nothing more than chauvinism, and since both our principles against chauvinism, and our principles against imperialism align, our position is completely clear regarding the issue in the eastern regions. The Kiev government is nothing more than an imperialist comprador, willing to plunge completely Ukraine into the abyss for regions which have almost no Ukrainians (if the Russian speaking population there is Ukrainian, then there is no difference between of Ukraine and Russia), and thus, we cannot even think of supporting it in this war.
Regarding the imperialist aims at war, I think that a world war over Ukraine is unlikely. Even if the Russians "invade" Ukraine, as the imperialists claim, I do not think that NATO forces will do anything close to engaging directly in this war, and this is why neither Ukraine or Georgia still are not in NATO. If Ukraine enters NATO, NATO has two options: disband, or follow its own charter which says that if one NATO member is attacked, all should attack the attacker. Since Crimea technically part of Ukraine, this would mean that Europe and America would be forced to directly fight Russia, something which the imperialist powers aren't willing to do. Otherwise, Ukraine and Georgia would be in NATO already. Nonetheless, in both cases (i.e.. Russo-Ukrainian war escalating, or NATO getting involved and starting a full scale world war) we will support Russia, and keep opposing imperialist and compradors governments who are willing to enter our nations to a war against Russia, a nuclear power, due to the whims of the cosmopolitan bourgeoisie and their drive for super-profit to satisfy their profit requirements and also satisfy the huge labor aristocracy that is shrinking in the home population of the imperialist nations.
We call for there to be no imperialist war against Russia and for a civil war against our comprador bourgeoisie. Our nations are at stake, and it is not a question of theory and neither is a question of just putting the working class in power, it is a question of the survival of our nations, which can only survive when its builders, the proletariat, smash the bourgeoisie state and put their own dictatorship in its place, and purge the destroyer of nations, capitalism, to the dustbin of history.
>>511074This is not applicable anymore.
The movements that try to apply this in Peru and Turkey are practically dead, and in India they are surviving just because there are still extremely backward parts of the country.
Same goes for the NPA in the Philippines.
>>511040>The only thing that will change geopolitics you fucking capitalist is proletarian warAnd in the past century, your PPW has come up short to that objective now hasn't it. Russia is drawing up borders right now while gonzaloids are on the internet.
The "le both sides bad" talking point is a marker of someone who is wholly disconnected to the history and material conditions of the Slavic peoples. Russia is not imperialist, but rather anti-imperialist together with China. Nationalism is one of the reasons why they're anti-imperialist. The ruling national industrial bourgeois of russia serve as a useful force to gather behind and resist western influence for the benefit of future proletarian action. Russia has their own proletariat and doesn't have a parasitic relation to the global South, their economy can rather easily be transformed into a socialist one when the proletariat takes charge. By their actions Russia is anti-imperialist by forming a multipolar world together with China, this gives imperialised nations an alternative to being exploited by western imperialists, which allows them national liberation. So not only does Russia not live on the exploitation of the global South, their actions support the national liberation of these nations.
It doesn't matter what your ideals are. In the real world, not supporting the anti-imperialist side - meaning the Russia-China block, means siding with the imperialists.
Your gonzaloist idea of a "international peoples war" is just rootless cosmopolitanism that leads to the working class of a nation having nothing to rally under. There is a difference between this and internationalism. You do the enemies job for him by describing cosmopolitanism and calling it internationalism.
>>511078"An alternative"
Literally just supporting upside down NATO. Just drop the Leninism, it's such a bullshit disguise that anyone can see through it. You creating an "alternative" for capitalist regimes isn't socialism and will never be. Fuck Putin and fuck Xi.
>>511078>The ruling national industrial bourgeois of russia serve as a useful force to gather behind and resist western influence for the benefit of future proletarian action.It's true, unfortunately
>>511080Such a strong posture, we are all impressed
>>511044>Some people here think Russia did a color revolution in the Donbas, and though that seems to be true, these people discredit the independence of these regions for that reason. What do you think of this?Russia played it's part in lighting the spark of independence, yet the actual fire is fanned by the people of the region. The people of the DNR and LNR don't care if Kiev or the west discredits their independence. They are on the front line dying for it right now. Russia is in the tough position of having no choice but to take them under their wing now.
Either way they have the goodwill of communists here and we wish them all the best in their defence against the fascist central government.
>>511077Also
<Avoiding to address the pointNot my fault if NPA has 10000 rifles after 53 years and PLGA struggles to get to 50000 people
>>511087>social chauvinistHuh? Putin's Russia is very progressives. One of the most important contradictions of imperialism is between, a handful of opressor nations, and the rest of the worlds nations which they are oppressing. So in this case, any movement or country who weakens imperialism is objectively progressive. It doesnt mean we love putin, or agree with anything he does domestically, but he's objectively progressive in the context of imperialism.
>stop reading Russia Today and start reading the manifestoThe Manifesto, while a fundamental text that there is much to learn from, was still only pamphlet relevant for it's time. If you restrict yourself to orthrodox marxism in the 21st century then you will go the way of the dustbin of history like Gonzalo
>>511101Great take to be honest.
By far the best MLM formation around IMHO, even if suffering from many flaws.
>>511110Russia of today is not German Empire of a century earlier. Back then Britain still had imperial ambitions, France was still a force to be reconed with, Germany was trying to conquer colonies. All of them were FIRST WORLD, by Mao definition. After WW2 only two FIRST WORLD countries remained - USA and USSR, and France, UK, Germany, Japan were downgraded to SECOND WORLD. Russia today is a similar downgrade.
So, it's not a valid comparison on your part. You can shut it now.
>>511129They are the imperials it's you fucking retard.
It's literally the same as the uk in northern Ireland
>>511138>Because the soviets displaced ukraniansWhat. Where do you fuck even get this from?
Kazakhstan's official language is kazakh, and international is russian, and the usage of russian in Kazakhstan INCREASED percentage wise since the dissolution. Similar stuff happened in Belarus and Ukraine both (until Ukraine started oppressing russian).
>>511140So, does that mean Ukrainian census lied
>>511116 ?
>>511143Idk they only started a famine and sent kulaks to Siberia. Totally normal. Why don't you read into the ethnic tension in Chechnya? Russia has gone on record doing this kind of thinflg
>>511144Holy shit this has never been more accurate. You people are a fucking meme
>>511039 >>511148yes, you mentioned china umprompted
care to explain why?
>>511138I bet it'd been a lot harder to drum up nationalism if NATO handn't couped Ukraine
twice, and marginalized them.
>>511151Oh, do tell me about the ban on Ukrainian language. Show some proofs.
>>511153>Idk they only started a famine and sent kulaks to Siberia. Totally normal.Oh, started a famine? Seriously? That's fucked up! Any evidence to back it up, though?
Crying over kulaks is dumb, though. Never amounted to a big portion of population, and they were sent to Siberia for real fucking crimes of hoarding the grain during famine.
>>511161I forget you dipshits are as quick to deny any genocide committed by leftists as Nazis are to deny the Holocaust
https://www.britannica.com/place/Ukraine/History#ref404577Let me guess you're going to make an unfalsifiable claim or set the burden of proof to literally "were you there yourself comrade?"
Westerners on this board seem to think that eastern Ukraine didn't speak Russian until 2014
>>511164this x999
>>511181>goalpost movewhat goal posts? do you know what the even means?
wow massive cope
>faggot, why did you bring china out of nowhere?its relevant to geo politics
>>511169>britannicaOof.
Here, have this. Did Czarist government genocide Russians in 1892? Serious question here.
>Let me guess you're going to make an unfalsifiable claim or set the burden of proof to literally "were you there yourself comrade?"Yes, yes I will. Do fucking prove that Soviets a) intentionally tried to starve Ukrainians b) that it was Ukrainians who died from that disproportionately c) that the amount of people died from that famine was extraordinary compared to Russian Empire times. On all fucking three of those things you can't bring anything that's not based on anticommunist propaganda done either by Whites, nazis or supporters of nazis.
>>511195Mutts law strikes again
Yeah I'm not the one shilling for war in Europe you braindead fuckwit. You're literally a nationalist
>>511198It's burckina faso from livejournal. That guy is anticommunist, even, lol. He likes to jerk off to Tsar and to say how communists ruined everything.
https://burckina-new.livejournal.com/ I don't know the exact post, but the guy claimed that it's stats taken from "primary sources", i.e. orthodox churches for Czar figures and Soviet ЗАГС 'es, those were tasked with counting corpses.
>>511156Uygger, just make the poll.
Here, voot away:
https://poal.me/7y2q7k >>511178Everyone recognizes the famine. However the idea that it was an intentionally started genocide against a specific ethnic group is false and not believed by everyone (even among anti-communist western historians).
If so, then was it also a genocide against Russians of southern Russia?
>>511221>The roots of the famine-genocide propaganda campaign lay in a series of articles written by "noted journalist, traveller and student of Russian affairs" Thomas Walker for the Hearst press in 1935. The articles described the horrific famine of 1932-33 in Ukraine, while photographs, accompanying the stories, portrayed desperate victims of the famine.The material and the photographs were truly impressive, but, as it turned out later "noted" journalist Thomas Walker had never visited Ukraine in 1932-1933, furthermore, he never existed.
>As for the photographs, US investigative journalists revealed in 1935 that some of them were taken in war-torn areas of Europe just after the First World War, others depicted the Volga famine victims of 1921-1922 in Russia.
>Tottle pointed out that American newspaper publisher William Randolph Hearst had no scruples about publishing fabricated reports.
>"Not only were the photographs a fraud, the trip to Ukraine a fraud, and Hearst's famine-genocide series a fraud, Thomas Walker himself was a fraud," the Canadian researcher narrated.
>In fact it was not Hearst who launched the famine-genocide campaign: the press mogul had powerful allies — German and Italian fascists.In 1933, the hoax was devised by Reich Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels, who is regarded as the genuine creator of the myth. It was he who started the propaganda campaign against the Soviet rule in Ukraine, by inventing stories of the Soviet atrocities in the region. Ukraine was viewed by Nazis as Germany's potential "Lebensraum."
>In 1934, Hearst visited Nazi Germany and met with the infamous German Fuhrer.
>"It was following Hearst's trip to Nazi Germany that the Hearst press began to promote the theme of 'famine-genocide in Ukraine'," Tottle stressed.
>Taking a soft line on the Nazis' activities in Germany, Hearst unleashed an all-out propaganda war against the USSR. He denigrated Soviet industrialization and collectivization achievements, at the same time eulogizing about Nazi Germany's economic developments.Cope, Nazi propagandist.
>>511206>You're literally a nationalistNations are not subjective things, but objective things. They are not determined by statehood, or the official citizenship of a person. This was explained by Stalin in Marxism and the national question.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03.htmNationalism, whether bourgeois or proletarian, has seen great success against western imperialist expansion.
>>511193Maybe people cry about Putin because he is an insane neoliberal fascist?
>St. Petersburg (ND). Vladimir Putin, 2nd Mayor of St. Petersburg and Chairman of the Committee for External Relations of the city of six million, has made it clear to German business representatives that a military dictatorship along the lines of the Chilean model would be the desirable solution to Russia's current political problems. This was reported by WDR in the TV feature "Aufbruch nach Osten" (Monday, January 3, 1994, WEST 3 from 9:15 to 9:45 p.m.). >Putin answered questions from representatives of BASF, Dresdner Bank, Alcatel and others who met in the former GDR Consulate General in St. Petersburg. Putin distinguished between "necessary" and "criminal" violence. He said that political violence is criminal if it is aimed at eliminating market-economy conditions, and "necessary" if it promotes or protects private capital investments. He, Putin, expressly approved of possible preparations by Yeltsin and the military to bring about a Pinochet-style dictatorship in view of the difficult private economic path. Putin's remarks were received with friendly applause both by the German company representatives and by the deputy German consul general who was present. >>511241>neoliberal fascistnext you will come up with 'communist fascist'
>>511240this thread is what happens when we realize that
>>511242>everything i don't like is fascismdoes tumblr still exist? maybe you should go there
>>511243It was banned from education (just like Russian in Ukraine now, to be honest) and removed as a state language. Media is required to be in Russian.
Crimea has a better situation because Russia is an actual country trying to look non-fascist, they even have separate schools for Ukrainians.
>>511250That was brought about by ethnically displacing Ukrainians, even if the famine wasn't man made. Inept Soviet policy still lead to millions of deaths which killed off ukranians in that region. You're crying about if it was on purpose.
And you still won't acknowledge you are supporting a man who is invading another country for ethnic reasons. That speaks volumes you tsarist fascist
>>511162More like the Kuwait War of Europe.
Saddam did nothing wrong there tbh.
>>511256>That was brought about by ethnically displacing UkrainiansThis isn't even believed by your deranged teachers on wikipedia lmfao
>even if the famine wasn't man madeSo you accept you don't know what you're talking about and I'm right, maybe you should stop lecturing people on it then.
>>511252Talking of which the Azov Battalion took Mariupol a few years ago
Wonder if the antifascist brigades of the independant people's republics will expel them now
>>511269No I'm not going to continue with your pathetic derailing attempts
Do you think Putin citing ethnic homogeneity as a reason to invade is justified
Engage with the question Putin slavaboo shill
>>511272>derails thread>gets bodied>cries about derailing the threadAbsolutely seething
>Do you think Putin citing ethnic homogeneity as a reason to invade is justifiedThis is what the Ukrainians did in 2014, although it's unsurprising you like the Nazi coup given your previous output
>>511287>No u Nice rebuttal
>SeethingI'm not they guy who wrote 2000 words of green text seething lol
>Yes I support fascist PutinAt least you're in good company
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/362644039#p362650404 After weeks of US claims that a Russian invasion of Ukraine was imminent, Vladimir Putin instead recognized the breakaway republics of Luhansk and Donetsk. The decision has triggered a new round of US-led sanctions while bringing attention to rebel-held areas, where, according to UN figures on the Donbas war, 80% of civilian casualties have occurred since 2018.
Professor Richard Sakwa analyzes the factors behind Putin's move, and its likely consequences. Putin's decision, he says, comes after Kiev refused to implement the 2015 Minsk accords, which could have ended the conflict, and a longstanding US-driven project to expand NATO to Russia's borders.
Guest: Richard Sakwa. Professor of Russian and European politics at the University of Kent. His books include “Frontline Ukraine: Crisis in the Borderlands” and his latest, “Deception: Russiagate and the New Cold War.”
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>>511292>I'm not they guy who wrote 2000 words of green text seething lolDo they not have a whiteboard at Langley explaining how this works? The green text is not written by me.
>akshually putin is the fascist, not the guys who massacre trade unionists, want an ethnostate, put nazi symbology everywhere, and worship a fascist collaboratorAnarchist moment. This is why you only exist on the internet.
>>511308Green = Diplomacy
Red = Support Russia
Purple = NATO are instigating
Yellow = Support Ukraine
>>511309>you wouldn't be siding with literal Nazislol
lmao
>>511316>Wow it's like the far right is in every countryBut who is invading who again?
And who citied ethnic reasons for their invasion?
>>511317>you must pick sides for or against muh /pol/baby brain, please go away
>>511316lmao
>>511321Still can't cope with the fact daddy Putin is invading for ethnic purposes
You even acknowledge it Russian imperialist
>>5113271) His anti-slavic sentiment is a Jewish lie
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>>511320Yes, tsarists, fascists, communists, liberals, conservatives, everyone went to Donbass to fight for independence from Ukraine. For different reasons. Do prove that they went there to eradicate ukrainians, though, and that fascists amounted to much.
Meanwhile, we have ukrainian fascists burning people alive in Odessa, we had ukrainian fascists outlawing Russian language and beating up and murdering people for speaking it, we have Ukrainian laws aimed at that, with shop personnel getting harassed, cancelled and such over it, we have journalists getting murdered by Ukrainian fascists, etc etc
It's not hard to see that Ukrainian fascists are the dominant force, while Russian fascists are basically tourists who barely affect anything.
>>511330Yeah more Kremlin talking points about shit that never happened.
Tell me more about how you want to suck Putin's cock again
>>511239>Nations are not subjective things, but objective things.lol
>But Stalin said-!Cool, don't care to read reactionary nonsense.
Russia doing a color revolution doesn't preclude many people there wanting independence
https://dif.org.ua/en/article/results-of-regional-public-opinion-poll-in-donetsk-and-luhansk-regions>When people were asked about the ways and means of achieving sustainable peace, new regional divisions emerged. >Residents of Donetsk GCA tended to choose the ways that were more favorable for Ukraine, such as economic and defence build-up (31%) and increase of sanctions on Russia (23%). On the other hand, majority of Luhansk residents were in favor recognizing legitimacy of DNR/LNR (38%) and yielding to Russian demands which means recognition of DNR/LNR autonomy and annexation of Crimea (15%).Of course, opinion is healthily divided.
Inb4 Putlerist mind control
>>511328inventing things just to posture. go back to twitter
>>511353>What options do Ukrainians have but to fight? Give up Crimea? yes. Realistically, it was more "russian" than "ukrainian", and they didnt like the nazi coup.
>And then Luhansk and Donetsk? the peace agreement wanted more autonomy in the form of a federal government. Too bad ukraine thought it was unacceptable and started shelling the civilian there instead.
>>511328>for ethnic purposesthis shit and the national story are always pretexts to the purpose you braindead moron. The reason are geopolitical in nature you brainlet.
>>511359How so? Water pools up in reservoir, some evaporates, sure, but dams for ELECTRICITY mostly use water's fall energy to rotate turbines. How's that going to cause water shortage? Come on now, that's dumb.
There's concerns ala what Ukraine did to Crimea, refusing to sell water to Crimea, but that's clearly not the intent of dams, it's an effect dam control brings. It's not a normal way of dam operation, you know?
>>511369What you invented is that I have favorable opinions about Vladolf Putler, the Holodomor 2.0 Enjoyer
>>511370>Parliament suffered a nationalist attack when it was trying to recognize MinskWow really? source
>>511383Does Washington seem all in on Putin?
Big if true
>>511353>Do they have the right to self defense?we're talking geopolitics, not spook. Do you think canada and mexico has the right to self defense if they wanted to join russia military alliance ? Do you think it would change shit when US army invade ?
Also equating ukrainians civilians with their corrupt government put there by US is questionable.
>>511116>Let's talk about it>here's my ethnic chartSomeone doesn't understand the Ukrainian culture war. Ukraine is divided by language more than ethnicity, with Donbas representing the Russian pole. Ukrainians there have ties to Russia, usually through family and work, and strongly opposed things like the EU/NATO and supported the customs union with Russia. The cities there are dominated by Russians, and have a separatist history going back to the 90s.
The reason for this is with 1917 west Ukraine formed a bourgeois republic while east Ukraine formed Soviet republics. Decommunizing the union they created is a contradiction that yields a national question. It's pretty straightforward
>>511392>Ukrops attacked parliament to prevent peace agreementLmao, sucks for other Ukrainians but the nationalists got the fighting and the massive L that they wanted.
>>511404Wonder if that was on purpose
>>511399>\/aushDon't lump me in with that useful idiot for fascists .
The only way to defeat modern fascism is through the balkanization of both Russia and China
>>511411>kochinski would dislike being recommended to people???
you wanna try to diss me again?
>>511416That sucks my friend. This is why everyone thinks Ukraine is full of Nazis. I realize it's a small minority but they have an outsized amount of influence and power.
>the government can't do much about Azov, even when it directly undermines their relations with the US.I know that it looks bad, but has anyone come out and publicly acknowledged it?
>>511414BLOODCASTECELEB VANGUARD EDITIONCOME
CHAT
WATCH THE WORLD BURN
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/bloodcast >>511422i think he's one of these pseudo leftist imperialists like vaosh
>>511418Do you watch him?
You should all really read this poll done about Ukraine and Russia population thoughts on situation released today
Don't immediately go fake news CNN! It's actually pretty interesting to read and you'll be surprised even by the results to it, that don't side with a western narrative so much at all
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2022/02/europe/russia-ukraine-crisis-poll-intl/index.htmlhttps://comresglobal.com/polls/russians-ukrainians-poll-cnn-23-feb/>>511431Ok. ukranon was making fun of you
>>511430Shitty situation. Thanks for explaining
>>511428Lol, half of all Americans said they would send troops there, without realizing it would start WW3, but CNN has to make Russians looks so insane
>>511422dude with pretty limited understanding of history and economics
has funny vids about elon musk tho, which is about his only quality
he lived and went to university in germany for some time (a few years at best?)
did a stream with Agent Kochinski where Agent Kochinski showd to be an ignorant burger which made adam look like an intellectual. then adam proceeded to talk random shit about german inner-party politics with concluding that the best option for a lefty is to vote for the green party.
>>511440>At least they have sane foreign policy stance<adhering to US of A is sane foreign policysure thing
>>511443funnily he also hase quite some vids on how socialist city planning is superior to suburbian hellscapes. strange dude regardless
Republicans again more against involvement in war against Russia than Democrats
Democrats begging for war with them
New poll by APNEWS
https://apnorc.org/projects/americas-role-in-the-russia-and-ukraine-situation/>>511456Nah, lots of Republicans like Putin and have this idea that they can pull Russia to USA to fight together against china
Meanwhile Democrats want to utterly demolish Russia
Democrats you'll regularly see talk about Russians like they are subhuman
>>511457Bruh Republicans liking Putin is a literal meme made-up by democrats for some online spectacle, remember the entire Russia gate thing?
It is the same as Republicans thinking that the democrats are sellouts to China
>>511422He's liberal that made algorithmbait meme videos about Musk,trains,rightoids and lolberts that has felt the call of propaganda and joined the Agent Kochinskiite sphere of "left neocons".
Just like with his meme videos, he's saying the things, using the keywords and all the rest of it that would get him inserted on the topic for recommendations. He's probably jumped the shark and lost all relevancy once this thing blows over.
>>511465It's not. Democrats despise xi and china.
Many Republicans see Putin as a strong man protecting Christian values and fighting le globohomo west and new world order
>>511422>Who the fuck is "Adam Something" Some liberal faggot
his urbanism vids aren't that bad>why is YouTube recommending him to me? He uses his community section as a soapbox to dunk on ""tankies"", which is picked by the algorithm.
>>511471>It's not. Democrats despise xi and china.we're talking about Russia try to keep up
>Many Republicans see Putin as a strong man protecting Christian valueswrong
>>511475>>511474You guys clearly don't speak to right wing people.
If you just browse patriots.win for example for 2 mins you'll see exactly this.
>>511472Sino-Soviet split
Soviets fucked themselves by being revisionist retards, and Chinese fucked it up by going completely autistic because the Soviets were being revisionists
>>511477I wonder what /pol/ is up to
An internal civil war over who is more based, shirtless horseback putin or azov battalion seems likely.
>>511482/Pol/ dosent support Azov battalion at all. It is an obvious OP to them. In their western counrtry their far right views are demonized, insulted and attacked non stop
Then Azov gets support from Atlantic council and media covers up for them.
It's to them like the syrian "rebels"
Just a glowie group controlled to fight
They also support Assad
>>511491what about that supports democrats?
sounds like you're just throwing glow at anything you don't like
>>511501some people on leftypol are so obsessed with pol that their entire opinion is just being the opposite of whatever pol is in favor of and if they like something they'll do any sort of mental gymnastics to prove pol doesn't like it
This is a perfect example of some schizo trying to rationalize pol preferring communists in the DPR to Azov nazis
>>511494They shit on neoliberalism, not Ukrainian nationalism
>>511499>horseshoe theory In reality it's because liberalism with unipolarity became the 'progressive' logic of bourgeois dictatorship which, under globalization, alienates both nationalists and socialists
>>511501You are only butthurt about this being discussed because your world view is apparently demonized if you realize that Republican party today isn't the one of George bush and it's Democrats pushing for defending Ukraine at the moment
Literally check any major right wing voice they are crapping all over Ukraine or any right wing forum
>>511027tl;dr overthrow your shitheel westcuck government and hope the russkies do the same
This is basically bourgeois fascist Croatia vs. bourgeois fascist Serbia but bigger. (and the westoid commies will support the russians like they supported the serbs)
Both need to be toppled by proletarian revolution.
>>511493>No wonder, they are genociding m*slims and this is a good thing for themFirst, the China thread is two blocks down
Second, you joking right ?
>>511422The fucker is getting promoted by CIA or some shit, all the usual talking points.
Also, regarding that picture. Why the fuck is he not talking about Britain and France appeasing Hitler in spite of "tankie" Stalin's wishes? Fucking intellectual honesty, where is it?
>>511527lmao quads spend on you seething over me
glorious
>>511284That is why every African country (no matter the ideological standpoint) will oppose seccesion movements in any nation.
Somaliland is there, functioning as an independent republic but no one will recognize it for it allows the precedent of dismemberment.
Its only states triying to protect its own skin
>>511539>They literally said that these are Russian national statesYes, they are Russian separatists
>as in ethnic Russian No
There's no evidence the separatist republics are dedicated to the purity of ethnic Russians or their rule over ethnic Ukrainians.
>>511548Yes, Russian Constitution says it is multiethnic state.
>>511549Yeah, there is difference between "Российский" and "Русский" with the former being about Russian country and the latter about ethnic Russians.
>>511551speaking about the state…
here's a stream of the state department daily brief
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/bloodcast >>511555great, let us organize a body that forces others to follow such a rule
>>511557rip
>>511422The youtube algo serving the empire by shilling it as loud as it can
It also appears to me
Fucking hell
>>511353Overthrow their own goverment and get rid of collaborationists cult and neonazis would be a great start.
>>511562>into the Russian Federationtop kek my man jumped the gun
Reminds me of the Saddam purge video where the guy gets too excited and says they should use Stalin's methods, and Saddam's like "nah, Saddam tactics are good enough."
>>511570Yes one is of Russian nation, one of state of Russia
That is why putin said in 2014
>Kiev is the mother of “Russkie” citiesRussian identity defining itself as successor to the Rus. What the separatist republics declared is that they are part of the nation of Russia, not that Ukrainians there aren't. It's impossible to do this given the amount of Ukrainians, especially the countryside.
You can see this in the Bolsheviks themselves. Their 'all-Russian' position was multiethnic and, again, defined by the Rus and its successor nations. It then came up with an all-Ukrainian position, which it sought to include east Ukraine into. This has failed thanks to Ukrainian nationalism generating a Russian national question.
Pelosi is just gone mentally
She referred to Ukraine as Hungary while describing it
Then later when mentioned Ukraine called it "the Ukraine" which will piss off ukranians lol
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1496537971474014213?s=20&t=Xe-uBDAYBA0QuUYLzjHhaA>>511578Stupid fucking ancient BurgerBoomers™ trying to ruin the world in exciting new ways every day.
Please just fuck kill me.
>>511587*Like japan
holy fuck
>>511582>investing is a part of the production processMoPs do require upkeep, but that's not necessarily investment in the capitalist sense
>being an investor is just a result of labor specializationwell, that's just false
>>511577> Their 'all-Russian'It was written as "Все
российская"
>>511590which the DPRK does not do, don't know got that from.
>>511592that is homogeny, anon, they don't apply "japanese only" laws like Israel, and while their migration laws are US tier retarded, if you can pass through them you just live there, so you can say that they help to mantain their Homogeny for many reasons, most of then rascist and xenophobic because look who controls the country, but an ethnostate they are not.
>>511601Yes, all the Russian nations of Russia. Great Russians, White Russians, and Little Russians.
I'm still missing the part where the separatists are an ethnic Russian threat to ethnic Ukrainians, rather than stating Donbas and its people are part of the Russian nation
>>511619Thats not what I'm talking about and the fact that you are using imperialism kind of exposes you as an idealist. Russia is capitalist and expansionist and you could argue that it is conquering territory through violence but that is not the same thing as imperialism.
A principled anarcho-communist position recognizes Marx and Lenin's contributions to theory and understands that imperialism has a material basis. The disagreement with ML's is one of accountability, representation and democracy with regards to parties and the question of a vanguard. Calling countries imperialist whenever they do bad things is not correct or coherent because imperialism is driven necessarily by the economic material contradictions of monopoly finance capital to counteract the falling rate of profit.
>>511634he didn't not say he was
cope
>>511647>it's not declaring anythingits clearly declaring that
<the state is founded on the democratic alliance of the proletariat and the peasantryalso vague terminology like "an alliance of the proletariat and the peasantry" doesn't suddenly constitute socialism
>>511647wow, maotism is wild.
it's like reading about scientology.
>>511652>also vague terminology like "an alliance of the proletariat and the peasantry" doesn't suddenly constitute socialismThat alliance is socialist, yes. It combines two revolutions to unite a nation in a backwards country, where the bourgeoisie is too weak thanks to being squeezed between feudalism at home and imperialism abroad, and promises to hold it together and develop it through the alternative national class and its socialism.
this democratic revolution of a new type, for the periphery and subaltern countries, cannot stay together without the connection to socialism and therefore neither can its nation stay united without it.
>>511655>wow, maotism is wild. im not a maoist, im a trot. trotsky's idea of permanent revolution was also based on this combination of two revolutions, just he had more strict ideas of the proletariat leading the peasantry, the necessity of connection to the advanced countries to actually proceed on to the socialist revolution, and so on.
>>511664In Venezuela :^)
Again, when you have your socialist revolution, talk me again about China.
>>511659hes describing democracy under socialism
you can disagree that it lines up with the reality in china but i don't see the problem with his description maybe if you think there is one you can elaborate on that
>>511665Venezuela is socdem, it never had a revolution. Chavez was voted in and the most based part of the Venezuelan reforms, the Bolivarian missions, have never infringed on the private property of the elite, much less private property relations in general.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Zamora#Legal_specificationsGet back to me when your bus driver expropriates the bourgeoisie.
>>511666>hes describing democracy under socialismwell, it's describing why, thanks to imperialism, the democratic revolution that is otherwise carried out by the bourgeoisie is inherently connected to socialism in the periphery and subaltern nations of the world
>>511670venezuela is a democratic revolution on the wrong side of capitalism's uneven development and subsequently exploited by imperialism. bolivarianism is inherently socialist
>>511672They already consider Maduro to be Satan and will happily sponsor CIA-backed coup attempts like in 2020. Why not go all the way and expropriate the bourg and the landlords?
Venezuela's "revolution" has no balls and is destined for failure. All it's accomplishing right now is free propaganda for the imperialist west, they can just sanction you and go "lol gommunism no food vuvuzela" to their heart's content.
>>511665 (me)
>>511670>Venezuela is socdemChavez understood the need of demolishing state capitalism in his speech regarding
why socialism essay from Albert Einstein.
This is not the thread for this talk, but you don't know what you are talking about :^)
>>511459This. Some people here are making the mistake of thinking that republicans are somehow anti-war because of polls like this
>>511449, but when it comes to China, they are absolutely bloodthirsty.
>>511673Again:
>>511675>Chavez understood the need of demolishing state capitalism in his speech regarding why socialism essay from Albert Einstein.He knew that the deeds of state capitalism are mere a stationary phase towards socialism, and beneath the state capitalism still exists the injustices of capitalism.
You don't what you are talking about.
>>511682So why doesn't he do something about it?
Do I need to fucking mail Maduro a box full of Marx and Lenin books?
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