No.511002[Last 50 Posts]
ITS ALL LENIN (HAT'S) FAULT EDITIONSIZZLE, FIZZLE, SUCK MY DRIZZLE
WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE
OF BOREDOMTO WATCH FOR NEWS:
https://liveuamap.com/Live updates from Texan commie boomer in Donbass:
https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTexacFor Russiabros, analysis from Boris Rozhin:
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/ (has a telegram, lots of cool stuff there too)
QRD
"Modern Ukraine was completely created by Russia," Putin says in speech to the nation“
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495832687227068422Putin: "We are ready to show you what true de-Communization means to Ukraine."“
https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1495833069676335104“PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE'S ADMISSION TO NATO IS A DIRECT THREAT TO RUSSIA'S SECURITY || NATO TRAINING CENTRES ESTABLISHED IN UKRAINE AMOUNT TO NATO MILITARY BASES“
https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1495840775082737664Putin says Ukraine is a "U.S. colony" with a "puppet regime"
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495840971208429568“Russia claims Ukraine invaded Russia and says 5 Ukrainian soldiers were killed and two APCs destroyed near Rostov.
https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1495745864320831492Putin, in televised address on Ukraine crisis, talks about a "nationalistic virus" says 1991 collapse of Soviet Union saw Russia robbed
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1495834881028411393“Putin: "Why did we have to transfer the rights to the territories that had been part of the Russian Empire?"“
https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1495832267687669763PUTIN SPEECH WAS PRERECORDED:
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1495775697121517570Russia & Syria officially recognize LNR and DPR
https://mobile.twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1495845600834822147Syria recognizing LNR/DPR
https://twitter.com/the_ragex/status/1495847706555781123Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua likely to recognize the Donetsk and Lugansk republics shortly
https://twitter.com/the_ragex/status/1495850619487371265Putin Calls For Ukraine To Break Apart
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/russian-president-putin-ukraine-break-apart_n_6213d491e4b0ef74d724b3a0"President Biden will soon issue an Executive Order that will prohibit new investment, trade, and financing by U.S. persons to, from, or in the so-called DNR and LNR regions of Ukraine," Jen Psaki says following recognition by Putin of regions as "independent."
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1495858379243282434
>EU leadership @vonderleyen & @eucopresident say that bloc will react with sanctions "against those involved in this illegal act" of recognising Donetsk and Luhansk. >Suggests individual, targeted sanctions: not the big ol' war package that everyone has been talking up for weeks.https://twitter.com/HenryJFoy/status/1495853591764082700Communist Party of Russia has just endorsed Putin's call to recognise the DNR and LNR.
Zyuganov: "Look how zealous the Americans and British are now. They forced Ukraine to send almost all its troops to the Donetsk-Luhansk region. More than 100k in a patch of 40-50km."
https://twitter.com/pawelwargan/status/1495857447973572610https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-russia-us-biden-sanctions-donetsk-luhansk/>The senior administration official offered a caveat that "Russian troops moving into Donbas would not itself be a new step," since it has had a military presence in the region for eight years. Though Moscow has denied this is the case, "Russia now looks like it's going to be operating openly in that region," the official said. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/21/putin-sends-troops-breakaway-territories-00010447>The official, who requested anonymity in order to discuss sensitive issues, wouldn’t call the move an invasion, however, saying “Russian troops moving into Donbas would not itself be a new step. Russia has had forces in the Donbas for the past eight years.”https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082146367/putin-ukraine-donetsk-luhansk>Russian troops moving into the Donbas would not itself be a new step. Russia has had forces in the Donbas region for the last eight years," a senior administration official told reporters on a briefing call Monday evening.EXCLUSIVE (Reuters) Biden administration has prepared export controls to hit Russian companies with alleged military ties and deny Russians access to global technology, including electronics and computers
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I want to cuddle with Ukrainian communists
No.511004
>>511002I'm still waiting for that anon to tell me whats wrong with being sent to Canada. It's an upgrade.
No.511005
Comrade Putler is a Posadist
No.511006
gorky was right about fascism
No.511007
>>511004It's a Nazi Ukraine country.
No.511009
>>511007If you were a gay chechnyan and Kadyrov instructs for you to be sent to Canada, wouldn't you be happy?
No.511010
communists should support cutting off the heads of both Russian and Ukrainian chauvinists not just one or the other. Both need to bathe in fire. I really hope Kiev and Moscow get bombed by different chinlet terrorists. It will show the people in both that they should rise up or die.
No.511011
>>511002>Putin: "We are ready to show you what true de-Communization means to Ukraine."“the fuck does this mean?
No.511012
>>511010things that are definitely going to happen for 1000
No.511013
>>511009No I would be surrounded by Canadians and Ukrainians
No.511014
>>511011The faggot son of the revisionist KGB is a fascist
No.511015
>>511011Supposedly Lenin created Ukraine in order to take territory from Imperial Russia cause he was a German plant and hated Russia or some shit.
No.511016
>>511011Ukraine, according to him, is a creation of evil Communists made from rightful Russian clay. So he is going to strip them of the territories communists gave them.
No.511017
>>511011Lenin invented the Ukraine, if the ukrops want to reject Lenin, they have no basis for existence as an independent state
No.511019
>>511011It means to tear them apart.
No.511020
>>511015> he was a German plant and hated Russia or some shitThat's a popular theory among Russian rightoids, but Putin is more realist and doesn't explicitly blame evil foreigners for the revolution.
No.511021
>>511011TBH he could have said that the current ruling class in Ukraine is NATO and that NATO wants to shit up Russia without getting into WW1 tzarist cope.
Probably costed him some friendship with azerbaijan, Armenia, Belarus, Mongolia and the central asian countries.
TL:DR Putin is a retard.
No.511022
>>511018you always were faggot. Dengoids are anti communists. you suck Putin and Xis dick because you are the same chinlets as the maga retards you just like the funny uniforms.
No.511023
>>511021> Probably costed him some friendship with azerbaijan, Armenia, Belarus, Mongolia and the central asian countries.He is preaching the same thing since at least 2014, he even named breakaway nations "quasi-states".
No.511024
AUUUUUUGHHHH HERE COMES MY SUPPOOOOOOORT
No.511025
>>511022Such a weird complex, China is not involved in this.
Ukraine is not a real country btw
No.511026
"anti imperialists" won't even critically support Bin Laden for striking the US financial system at its very heart and taking it's pride away, along with hitting their military where it hurt most with the precious pentagon. But they support some two bit dip shit slavs that they're they're Russians.
No.511027
Consistent with our views regarding imperialism and the national question, unlike many Communists and communist parties (like for example KKE), I don't consider the conflict in eastern Ukraine an intra-imperialist conflict between two large imperialist camps of the "west" and the "east". In my opinion, this is nothing more than imperialist aggression against the current national bourgeois government of Russia which tries to push back against the imperialist forces, and it is not in isolation from the general world-imperialist offensive against the proletariat of the world. Thus, by default, we in general, support the Russians (both the ones living in Russia, and the ones living in Ukraine) for both anti-imperialist reasons and due to reasons of our view regarding the national question.
What do we mean by the national question? In my opinion nations are not subjective things, but objective things. They are not determined by statehood, or the official citizenship of a person. In this regard, there are no "Russophone Ukrainians'' as the government in Kiev claims. If Ukrainians are indeed a separate nation from Russia, then they should not keep by force what is essentially a Russian population being native in its eastern region in a non-Russian state. This amounts to nothing more than chauvinism, and since both our principles against chauvinism, and our principles against imperialism align, our position is completely clear regarding the issue in the eastern regions. The Kiev government is nothing more than an imperialist comprador, willing to plunge completely Ukraine into the abyss for regions which have almost no Ukrainians (if the Russian speaking population there is Ukrainian, then there is no difference between of Ukraine and Russia), and thus, we cannot even think of supporting it in this war.
Regarding the imperialist aims at war, I think that a world war over Ukraine is unlikely. Even if the Russians "invade" Ukraine, as the imperialists claim, I do not think that NATO forces will do anything close to engaging directly in this war, and this is why neither Ukraine or Georgia still are not in NATO. If Ukraine enters NATO, NATO has two options: disband, or follow its own charter which says that if one NATO member is attacked, all should attack the attacker. Since Crimea technically part of Ukraine, this would mean that Europe and America would be forced to directly fight Russia, something which the imperialist powers aren't willing to do. Otherwise, Ukraine and Georgia would be in NATO already. Nonetheless, in both cases (i.e.. Russo-Ukrainian war escalating, or NATO getting involved and starting a full scale world war) we will support Russia, and keep opposing imperialist and compradors governments who are willing to enter our nations to a war against Russia, a nuclear power, due to the whims of the cosmopolitan bourgeoisie and their drive for super-profit to satisfy their profit requirements and also satisfy the huge labor aristocracy that is shrinking in the home population of the imperialist nations.
We call for there to be no imperialist war against Russia and for a civil war against our comprador bourgeoisie. Our nations are at stake, and it is not a question of theory and neither is a question of just putting the working class in power, it is a question of the survival of our nations, which can only survive when its builders, the proletariat, smash the bourgeoisie state and put their own dictatorship in its place, and purge the destroyer of nations, capitalism, to the dustbin of history.
No.511029
>>511028Cut a Dengist and a fascist bleeds
No.511030
>>511027Great take comrade.
No.511031
>>511011it means that the modern Ukraine state was a creation of the USSR and Lenin, so if the current rulers of Ukraine really want to de-communize, we can just go all the way to undoing all the communists did and the Ukraine state disappears gets absorbed back into Russia.
No.511032
>>511027The only war that Ukraine needs is people's war
No.511033
>>511031Ukraine has a fake history where it was briefly independent (under German and Polish protection) until communists lied their way into occupying Ukraine. And then in WW2 real patriotic ukrainians were fighting "both sides", lol
No.511034
What would happen if capital succeeded in smashing the Republic of Soviets? There would set in an era of the blackest reaction in all the capitalist and colonial countries, the working class and the oppressed peoples would be seized by the throat, the positions of international communism would be lost.
No.511035
>>511010>>511022You're very unstable and foaming at the mouth, my little ultra leftist friend. You have never seen war or suffering beyond old war movies, media and entertainment.
Since you mentioned them, I wanted to say how much I support and respect China. The blossoming Russian-Chinese relationship is truly historical and will change the entire global paradigm.
Even geopolitics aside, I really respect China. The rapid advancement and powerful economic structure you guys have is very inspiring. In many ways, you succeeded where we fell. The USSR needed structural reform, yet unfortunately it buckled under western pressure and collapsed. China, on the other hand, managed to refine its system to harness the raw, brute power of capitalism while still maintain strong State control. It’s a marvel of systems what China has accomplished in this regard.
Im very optimistic about the future of Russian-Chinese relations because I see how much young Russians support China. While there have some pro-West nuts, most of those in my friend group really support China strongly. In the 1990’s, Russia was socioeconomically destroyed and many Russians began worshipping the West while Americans would use their (and our Ukrainian) women and children as prostitutes and laugh at the starving Russians on the street.
Today, after 20 years of Putin’s repairing-the-country reforms (thank God) Russia is back on its feet. The majority of Russians view the United States very poorly. Patriotism in their country has grown, and with it their love for China.
No.511037
>>511031This, and it was a very simple point too. reading it wrong means you are either paid or a giga brainlet.
>>511027based
No.511038
>>511035>The majority of Russians view the United States very poorly.Not the zoomers, which are essentially the future of Russia.
No.511040
>>511035god you deserve to get bombed by Russia. The only thing that will change geopolitics you fucking capitalist is proletarian war. This isn't in Moscow or China. It's in the Philippines, India and Peru. Instead of being a Menshevik you should actually support communism
No.511041
>>511027This makes fake communists seethe
No.511042
>>511039When he's right he's right.
No.511043
>>511039Smh I thought Bernie and AOC had dragged the Leninist into 21st century relevance and away from Russia?
No.511044
>>511027Some people here think Russia did a color revolution in the Donbas, and though that seems to be true, these people discredit the independence of these regions for that reason. What do you think of this?
>>511040seething
No.511046
>>511029>>511032One of the things that we don't care about is what anglophone ultraleftists say. Do you happen to be a student of chairman gonzalo, or inspired by the texas redguards somehow? Your sloganeering is reminiscent of that autism.
No.511047
>>511039horseshoe theory wins again
No.511048
>>511046He literally has Gonzalo flag
No.511049
>>511046supports faggots that think they're Russian but won't support communists. when are you signing up for United Russia
No.511050
In the last thread we have found out that both KPRF and small Russian communist organizations are glowing, don't forget it! Everyone who stands against Putin or Xi is glowing.
No.511051
PUTLER JUST DENOUNCED LENIN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE
No.511052
PUTLER JUST PUT BUTTER ON HIS TOAST BROS IT'S TRUE WATCH CNN RIGHT NOW HE'S ADDING SUGAR INTO IT OH THE HUMANITY.
No.511054
>>511052>toast with butter and sugarDo burgers really? Use honey instead, at least
No.511055
>>511050anti communists always show their true colors.its showing that they love Putin, they drop the pretense of communism and show that they're nothing more than national conservatives. They want the same shit the maga tards do
No.511056
>>511049You are a Gonzaloite revisionist renegade and probably a militarist too
No.511059
>>511056and you support Russian conservativism you fucking retard.
No.511060
>>511059you seem to be blinded by rage
No.511061
>>511058So is cooking a vegetable chili, stew, stirfry or curry. Fat burger fucks. absolutely vile.
No.511062
>>511059If Gonzalo thought and protracted people's war is universally applicable, why isn't it happening everywhere?
Checkmate.
No.511063
>>511062too many proles, not enough peasants
No.511064
>>511039>MAGAtoid has a chinthis is propaganda
No.511066
>>511065fuck off anti communist
No.511067
>>511065it could be worse, i've been lurking 4/pol/ since last weekend and it's fucking awful. at least leftoid autism is esoteric enough to be funny.
No.511068
>>511063Universally applicable*
*not universally applicable in societies that have advanced beyond the need for peasants No.511070
>>511069Proof that anyone can live the American dream
No.511071
>>511069>>511069good. US and Russian soldiers need to lose their legs. the mujahideen needs to kill more of the Russians in chechnya
No.511072
>>511063East Germany was stable, had not enough peasants, comparatively speaking. All the Eastern Europe got it's elections after 1945, where communists won everywhere. Again, not everywhere peasantry was dominant.
Revolution happens in the WEAKEST LINK countries
No.511073
>>511027Consistent with our views regarding jannies and the moderation question, unlike many Communists and communist parties (like for example KKE), I don't consider the conflict in Ukraine thread an intra-imperialist conflict between two large imperialist camps of the "west" and the "east". In my opinion, this is nothing more than Leninhat aggression against the current national bourgeois government of leftypol which tries to push back against the imperialist forces, and it is not in isolation from the general world-imperialist offensive against the proletariat of the world. Thus, by default, we in general, support the Russians (both the ones living in Russia, and the ones living in Ukraine) for both anti-imperialist reasons and due to reasons of our view regarding the national question.
What do we mean by the national question? In my opinion nations are not subjective things, but objective things. They are not determined by statehood, or the official citizenship of a person. In this regard, there are no "Russophone Ukrainians'' as the government in Kiev claims. If Ukrainians are indeed a separate nation from Russia, then they should not keep by force what is essentially a Russian population being native in its eastern region in a non-Russian state. This amounts to nothing more than chauvinism, and since both our principles against chauvinism, and our principles against imperialism align, our position is completely clear regarding the issue in the eastern regions. The Kiev government is nothing more than an imperialist comprador, willing to plunge completely Ukraine into the abyss for regions which have almost no Ukrainians (if the Russian speaking population there is Ukrainian, then there is no difference between of Ukraine and Russia), and thus, we cannot even think of supporting it in this war.
Regarding the imperialist aims at war, I think that a world war over Ukraine is unlikely. Even if the Russians "invade" Ukraine, as the imperialists claim, I do not think that NATO forces will do anything close to engaging directly in this war, and this is why neither Ukraine or Georgia still are not in NATO. If Ukraine enters NATO, NATO has two options: disband, or follow its own charter which says that if one NATO member is attacked, all should attack the attacker. Since Crimea technically part of Ukraine, this would mean that Europe and America would be forced to directly fight Russia, something which the imperialist powers aren't willing to do. Otherwise, Ukraine and Georgia would be in NATO already. Nonetheless, in both cases (i.e.. Russo-Ukrainian war escalating, or NATO getting involved and starting a full scale world war) we will support Russia, and keep opposing imperialist and compradors governments who are willing to enter our nations to a war against Russia, a nuclear power, due to the whims of the cosmopolitan bourgeoisie and their drive for super-profit to satisfy their profit requirements and also satisfy the huge labor aristocracy that is shrinking in the home population of the imperialist nations.
We call for there to be no imperialist war against Russia and for a civil war against our comprador bourgeoisie. Our nations are at stake, and it is not a question of theory and neither is a question of just putting the working class in power, it is a question of the survival of our nations, which can only survive when its builders, the proletariat, smash the bourgeoisie state and put their own dictatorship in its place, and purge the destroyer of nations, capitalism, to the dustbin of history.
No.511074
>>511072mao and gonzalo are for peasants in the countryside
No.511075
>>511074This is not applicable anymore.
The movements that try to apply this in Peru and Turkey are practically dead, and in India they are surviving just because there are still extremely backward parts of the country.
Same goes for the NPA in the Philippines.
No.511076
>>511075rip the based war
No.511077
>>511075Practically dead? Like socialism in Nicuragua. get ortegas dick out of your mouth. Wow, he privatized all the socialised farms that existed before and dropped Marxism Leninism. Piece of shit.
No.511078
>>511040>The only thing that will change geopolitics you fucking capitalist is proletarian warAnd in the past century, your PPW has come up short to that objective now hasn't it. Russia is drawing up borders right now while gonzaloids are on the internet.
The "le both sides bad" talking point is a marker of someone who is wholly disconnected to the history and material conditions of the Slavic peoples. Russia is not imperialist, but rather anti-imperialist together with China. Nationalism is one of the reasons why they're anti-imperialist. The ruling national industrial bourgeois of russia serve as a useful force to gather behind and resist western influence for the benefit of future proletarian action. Russia has their own proletariat and doesn't have a parasitic relation to the global South, their economy can rather easily be transformed into a socialist one when the proletariat takes charge. By their actions Russia is anti-imperialist by forming a multipolar world together with China, this gives imperialised nations an alternative to being exploited by western imperialists, which allows them national liberation. So not only does Russia not live on the exploitation of the global South, their actions support the national liberation of these nations.
It doesn't matter what your ideals are. In the real world, not supporting the anti-imperialist side - meaning the Russia-China block, means siding with the imperialists.
Your gonzaloist idea of a "international peoples war" is just rootless cosmopolitanism that leads to the working class of a nation having nothing to rally under. There is a difference between this and internationalism. You do the enemies job for him by describing cosmopolitanism and calling it internationalism.
No.511080
>>511078"An alternative"
Literally just supporting upside down NATO. Just drop the Leninism, it's such a bullshit disguise that anyone can see through it. You creating an "alternative" for capitalist regimes isn't socialism and will never be. Fuck Putin and fuck Xi.
No.511081
"Nationalism is one of the reasons why they're anti-imperialist. " The retarded national conservative says more words. Literally just the left wing of United Russia.
No.511082
>>511078>The ruling national industrial bourgeois of russia serve as a useful force to gather behind and resist western influence for the benefit of future proletarian action.It's true, unfortunately
>>511080Such a strong posture, we are all impressed
No.511083
>>511077<Implying that my flag is there for ideological reasons and not because is aestetically pleasingNewfag detected, I suggest to yuo to go back to Twitter ASAP.
No.511084
>>511044>Some people here think Russia did a color revolution in the Donbas, and though that seems to be true, these people discredit the independence of these regions for that reason. What do you think of this?Russia played it's part in lighting the spark of independence, yet the actual fire is fanned by the people of the region. The people of the DNR and LNR don't care if Kiev or the west discredits their independence. They are on the front line dying for it right now. Russia is in the tough position of having no choice but to take them under their wing now.
Either way they have the goodwill of communists here and we wish them all the best in their defence against the fascist central government.
No.511086
>>511077Also
<Avoiding to address the pointNot my fault if NPA has 10000 rifles after 53 years and PLGA struggles to get to 50000 people
No.511087
>>511027But who is we? This is just another opportunistic call for slaughter under a social chauvinist framework. Maybe it's time to stop reading Russia Today and start reading the manifesto
No.511088
>>511067which is worse, schizoid ramblings or constant shitposting?
No.511089
>>511087Putin faggots are all over. They don't even pretend like with Xi that it's socialism. They're just national conservatives
No.511090
>>511078>By their actions Russia is anti-imperialist by forming a multipolar world together with China, this gives imperialised nations an alternative to being exploited by western imperialists, which allows them national liberation. So not only does Russia not live on the exploitation of the global South, their actions support the national liberation of these nations.This. When any hint of socialism emerges anywhere in the world and the West pounces to overthrow or strangle it to death, as it always does, everywhere, it is Russia and/or China that comes to their aid. That is the world we live in and no amount of ultra-whingeing will change it.
No.511091
>>511090China supported Nepals monarchy to kill communists. great aid. When has china since the capitalist restoration supported one Marxist revolution? You know at least the Soviets pretended.
No.511092
>>511084> Either way they have the goodwill of communists hereI've read a Russian article about a tragedy of post-soviet communists being tricked into supporting this ethnic nationalist imperialist project. It's such a sad story.
No.511094
>>511092He's probably a borotba faggot.
No.511095
>>511090Until the hint of socialism emerges in the sphere of or even in those countries and then you people call it a CIA operation or a color revolution
No.511096
>>511090> China that comes to their aid.These afghani freedom fighters were socialist in their hearts after all
No.511097
>>511090>Its Russia or China coming to their aid
<Yemen war<Myanmar communists uprising<Philippine<Sudan<Swaziland<Haiti<Colombia<PalestineGreat aid, nice job indeed.
No.511098
>>511094Borotba were trapped, they were a pretty nice organizations addressing objectively existing grievances.
No.511099
>>511095well they're conservatives. What do you expect them to do? Actually support revolutions? support the working class? no they have militaries and power structures to fetishize.
No.511102
>>511087>social chauvinistHuh? Putin's Russia is very progressives. One of the most important contradictions of imperialism is between, a handful of opressor nations, and the rest of the worlds nations which they are oppressing. So in this case, any movement or country who weakens imperialism is objectively progressive. It doesnt mean we love putin, or agree with anything he does domestically, but he's objectively progressive in the context of imperialism.
>stop reading Russia Today and start reading the manifestoThe Manifesto, while a fundamental text that there is much to learn from, was still only pamphlet relevant for it's time. If you restrict yourself to orthrodox marxism in the 21st century then you will go the way of the dustbin of history like Gonzalo
No.511103
>>511102"Putin is progressive" anti communist retard.
No.511104
>>511090Who has China helped lmao
No.511105
>>511101>the cpp is taking fascist russia's sideuhhh ultrabros?
No.511106
>>511078someone who reads
No.511108
>>511080>You creating an "alternative" for capitalist regimes isn't socialism and will never be.You can't replicate a socialist golden era of the USSR overnight. You work with what you have. If you weren't an idealist you would understand this.
No.511110
>>511108I forgot when Lenin created the USSR by supporting the German Empire as progressive.
No.511111
Hmmm, supporting genocidal military dictatorship in Myanmar must be progressive as fuck.
No.511112
>>511101Great take to be honest.
By far the best MLM formation around IMHO, even if suffering from many flaws.
No.511113
>>511112I'll refrain from repeating my joke about the paralympics.
No.511114
>>511027This isn't really wrong, the inter imperialist conflict line obscures the national question at work in East Ukraine and how imperialism is unipolar
No.511115
>Senderoposter ignoring the CPP response
lmao
No.511117
>>511116Probably shouldn't have discriminated against a third of their population in these areas then
No.511118
>>511107All those fucking shills attacked the Kazakh workers when they were revolting recently
No.511119
>>511110Russia of today is not German Empire of a century earlier. Back then Britain still had imperial ambitions, France was still a force to be reconed with, Germany was trying to conquer colonies. All of them were FIRST WORLD, by Mao definition. After WW2 only two FIRST WORLD countries remained - USA and USSR, and France, UK, Germany, Japan were downgraded to SECOND WORLD. Russia today is a similar downgrade.
So, it's not a valid comparison on your part. You can shut it now.
No.511120
>>511117Russian language was official in these regions until 2019, while Ukrainian was banned by the "republics".
No.511121
>>511116Wow, it turns out that majority ukrainian regions are opposing fascist Kyiv regime.
No.511122
>>511104Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, whoever the US is trying to starve to death with sanctions usually. Open a book some time. It won't bite.
No.511123
>>511121> majority ukrainian regionsThey aren't majority Ukrainian anymore. Georgians were a majority in Abkhazia too.
No.511124
<Nothing going on except artillery shelling in the last 48 hours
Wtf has happened?
No.511125
>>511119Russia was in the Group of Eight until recently retard
No.511126
>>511103well the US and Ukraine definitely aren't so what's your point
No.511127
Russia ethnically displaced ukranians and are claiming their occupied regions are theirs. Why does anyone here support them?
No.511128
>>511105china and russia basically have the same economics
No.511129
>>511127Because they fight imperialism you dumb idiot
No.511130
>>511127because Russians in Ukraine want to be a part of Russia
No.511132
>>511127Why don't you support DPR LPR?
No.511133
>>511123Prove it. Show population size from 2001 census and compare it to current population. Are you implying they got majority russified since 2014?
No.511135
>>511129They are the imperials it's you fucking retard.
It's literally the same as the uk in northern Ireland
No.511136
>>511134got an actual reply?
No.511137
>>511135so if china invades Taiwan?
No.511138
>>511132Because the soviets displaced ukranians, Russia drummed up nationalism, armed them, and created a conflict in a less developed country solet to further their interests. If you people can't see that, you are lost
No.511139
>>511134And? Stalin even said that Hitler could have been considered a "collector of German lands", a national hero/whatever, if he didn't try to colonize lands of other nations.
No.511140
Leader of DPR in 2021 literally declared it a Russian (as in ethnic Russian) National State lol
No.511141
>>511137If china drummed up Chinese nationalism and started a civil war there yeah I would be against that
No.511142
>>511128nobody mentioned china
No.511143
>>511138>Because the soviets displaced ukraniansWhat. Where do you fuck even get this from?
Kazakhstan's official language is kazakh, and international is russian, and the usage of russian in Kazakhstan INCREASED percentage wise since the dissolution. Similar stuff happened in Belarus and Ukraine both (until Ukraine started oppressing russian).
No.511144
>>511138>ruddia created a created a conflictAre you suggesting that the Euromaidan western-backed coup had nothing to do with the aspirations of the separatists?
No.511145
>>511128Russia was plundered by the West, China was not
No.511146
>>511140So, does that mean Ukrainian census lied
>>511116 ?
No.511147
>>511110Average gonzaloid memory span. Just like communists in Eastern Europe today rely upon the Russian national bourgeois for their own ends, Lenin relied upon the German Empire for his own ends. The Germans arranged passage for Lenin and other revolutionary leaders back to Russia. They travelled on a train through the country then took a ship to Sweden where they then crossed the border into Finland and on to Petrograd. It's also true that the Bolshevik party recieved funding from the Germans. To the Germans, the Bolsheviks and other radicals were destabilising elements. Just like today, Russia and China are the destabilising element for global NATO imperialist hegemony.
No.511148
>>511142i mentioned China, retard :^)
No.511150
>>511149….and they don't have the same economic situation…
No.511151
>>511146Maybe it has something with 2 millions of displaced persons or the fact that Ukrainian language is banned there, I don't know.
No.511152
>>511147>The Germans arranged passage for Lenin and other revolutionary leaders back to RussiaLolno, it's an intentional retard reading of the facts you are spouting here. Lenin hid in a train in a sealed car precisely because he was hiding from authorities. He got through Germany because communists smuggled him through Germany in a sealed car. Retarded historians, obviously, read it as "Germans knew it was Lenin, so they sealed him like some demon!" That's what you are repeating after anti-communists
No.511153
>>511143Idk they only started a famine and sent kulaks to Siberia. Totally normal. Why don't you read into the ethnic tension in Chechnya? Russia has gone on record doing this kind of thinflg
>>511144Holy shit this has never been more accurate. You people are a fucking meme
>>511039 No.511154
>>511148yes, you mentioned china umprompted
care to explain why?
No.511155
>>511127>Russia ethnically displaced ukranians and are claiming their occupied regions are theirs>>511138>Because the soviets displaced ukraniansNice we have unironic holodomor propaganda talking points on this boards now, what next?
No.511157
>>511138I bet it'd been a lot harder to drum up nationalism if NATO handn't couped Ukraine
twice, and marginalized them.
No.511159
>>511155> holodomor propagandaMasks-off, finally
No.511160
>>511156
O SHIT I'M SUPPOORRRTTTINNNGGGG
No.511161
>>511151Oh, do tell me about the ban on Ukrainian language. Show some proofs.
>>511153>Idk they only started a famine and sent kulaks to Siberia. Totally normal.Oh, started a famine? Seriously? That's fucked up! Any evidence to back it up, though?
Crying over kulaks is dumb, though. Never amounted to a big portion of population, and they were sent to Siberia for real fucking crimes of hoarding the grain during famine.
No.511163
>>511156
Will there be "I support workers and not burgers" option?
No.511164
>>511156
Stop with the false-dichotomy please
No.511165
>>511156
yes my shitposts on a obscure japanimation vhs chatroom is SUPPORT
No.511166
>>511154because the post I was replying to mentioned china? please try to keep up
No.511167
>>511163yeah the russian one
No.511168
>>511061Based vegetable chad
No.511169
>>511161I forget you dipshits are as quick to deny any genocide committed by leftists as Nazis are to deny the Holocaust
https://www.britannica.com/place/Ukraine/History#ref404577Let me guess you're going to make an unfalsifiable claim or set the burden of proof to literally "were you there yourself comrade?"
No.511170
Westerners on this board seem to think that eastern Ukraine didn't speak Russian until 2014
>>511164this x999
No.511171
>>511153>Idk they only started a famine and sent kulaks to Siberia.Back to the vosh dicksores with you glowie
No.511172
>>511166fucking where? is china in the room with us right now?
No.511173
>>511169>you are like a Nazi because you don't believe propaganda spread by Nazislmao
No.511174
>>511171Keep sucking that Kremlin cock tsarist
No.511175
>>511170We are talking about ethnic Russians, not russophones
No.511176
>>511172why are you so obsessed with people discussing Russia and China?
No.511177
>>511116>Jarvis, pull up the percentage of ethnic germanic people in Bohemia.See why this is a bad example?
No.511178
>>511173>The entire academic and global community recognizes the famine and what lead up to it.>Das a conspiracy comradeGet bent Putin dickrider
No.511181
>>511176>le goalpost movefaggot, why did you bring china out of nowhere?
No.511183
>>511161Name me the state languages of DPR/LPR
No.511184
>>511174>you are a tsarist for not acknowledging goebbels' contribution to the historical recordHave fun dating a camwhore and living in an oligarchs house, burger
No.511185
>>511156
ill make one
No.511186
>>511181>goalpost movewhat goal posts? do you know what the even means?
wow massive cope
>faggot, why did you bring china out of nowhere?its relevant to geo politics
No.511187
>>511184Yeah yeah more conspiracy drivel all academics disagree but when did facts stop Russia from invading places
No.511188
>>511185include an option for 'neither' or 'fuck this poll'
No.511189
>>511187Holodomor truther cope
No.511190
>>511169>britannicaOof.
Here, have this. Did Czarist government genocide Russians in 1892? Serious question here.
>Let me guess you're going to make an unfalsifiable claim or set the burden of proof to literally "were you there yourself comrade?"Yes, yes I will. Do fucking prove that Soviets a) intentionally tried to starve Ukrainians b) that it was Ukrainians who died from that disproportionately c) that the amount of people died from that famine was extraordinary compared to Russian Empire times. On all fucking three of those things you can't bring anything that's not based on anticommunist propaganda done either by Whites, nazis or supporters of nazis.
No.511191
OMG A CHINA JUST EXISTED NEAR RUSSIA
No.511192
>>511189The entire world disagrees with you idiot you're the 'trither'
No.511193
It is very telling that almost everyone ITT who cries about Putin also cries about invisible Dengists and Xi. It's almost as if they were anglos high on CIA propaganda or sg.
No.511195
>>511192No it doesn't actually, your insistence otherwise is how I know you're a fat American NATO anarchist whose girlfriend has four boyfriends
No.511196
>>511193It is because Russian and Chinese imperialists closely cooperate, look at Myanmar
No.511197
>>511178>The entire academic and global community recognizes the famine and what lead up to it.Yes, academics are routinely propagandized to push bourgeois propaganda. Show me one fucking reason why such an important social field would be excempt from the bourgeois propaganda, lol. It's like you believe in holy book that can say no lies because it's authority is so high, lol
No.511199
>>511188>include an option for 'neither' or 'fuck this poll'so u want the poll to be obsolete? and enabled for trolls?
No.511200
>>511156
Is there an anti-war choice? They should keep the czarist family as hostages on the border so nobody gets hurt.
No.511201
>>511169Gonzaloids and Agent Kochinskiites 2 sides of the same coin
No.511204
>>511178No one denies the Ukrainian famine, retard.
No.511206
>>511195Mutts law strikes again
Yeah I'm not the one shilling for war in Europe you braindead fuckwit. You're literally a nationalist
No.511207
>>511202
You gotta earn those dollars, rubles and xi bucks.
No.511208
>>511195>whose girlfriend has four boyfriendsare they black?
No.511210
>>511198It's burckina faso from livejournal. That guy is anticommunist, even, lol. He likes to jerk off to Tsar and to say how communists ruined everything.
https://burckina-new.livejournal.com/ I don't know the exact post, but the guy claimed that it's stats taken from "primary sources", i.e. orthodox churches for Czar figures and Soviet ЗАГС 'es, those were tasked with counting corpses.
No.511211
>>511206>Mutts law strikes again>newfag dropping phrases he doesn't even know the meaning of>Yeah I'm not the one shilling for war in Europe you braindead fuckwit. You're literally a nationalistYou're spreading Nazi propaganda about a famine you slimy little fascist cunt
No.511212
>>511156Uygger, just make the poll.
Here, voot away:
https://poal.me/7y2q7k No.511213
>>511208It's America so you can safely say nobody involved is white
No.511214
>>511210ive seen more livejournal links in the past 48 hours than i have in the last 15 years
No.511215
>>511213lmao how butthurt are you, come have a race war in burgerland then, i'll be waiting faggot
No.511218
>>511212use strawpoll.me you uyghur
No.511220
>>511214Because russians and ukrainians use livejournal?
No.511221
>>511211>Nooo not my hekkin conspiracy theoryYou're shilling for tanks and artillery ripping Europe apart. You're shilling for an aggressive autocrat rolling across the borders of another country and seizing land. One whose citing "racial homogeneity" as one of the reasons for doing so. The most irritating part is, when war explodes and people start dying you're going to lie and tell your little hammer sickle wearing dipshits that you were against it the entire time
No.511222
>>511120>Russian language was official in these regions until 2019, while Ukrainian was banned by the "republics".it was not banned in crimea, its not an official language anymore, and they now use russian textbooks in school instead of ukrainians. In the republics, only the russian textbooks thing afaik. Also the source for these is ultra glowie.
No.511223
>>511178Everyone recognizes the famine. However the idea that it was an intentionally started genocide against a specific ethnic group is false and not believed by everyone (even among anti-communist western historians).
If so, then was it also a genocide against Russians of southern Russia?
No.511225
>>511219Based antivax holodomor-denying tatar-hating pro-azov comrade
No.511227
>>511224Bloodgasm has best pics
No.511228
>>511219He said that Lenin was used by Germany, not that Lenin was intending to serve Germany
No.511229
Texas Boomer Communist in Donetsk calls Ukrainians fascist for shelling DPR instead of going to Church
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Rg_ppdQH20 No.511231
>>511222> Also the source for these is ultra glowie.I don't know if official newspaper of Russian government glows very much. But last thread revealed that KPRF is glowing so whatever
No.511233
>>511230>I stand withleftist equivalent of "thoughts and prayers"
No.511234
>>511231link ? I was referring to wikipedia sources
No.511235
>>511222Crimea has ukrainian as an official language constitutionally, just like national republics inside Russia do. Say, Jewish region in the Far East has Jewish as official language even if Jews constitute like 1% of the population. Why the fuck would Crimea undo Ukrainian, lol
No.511236
>>511228Yes, but it's also an anticommunist reading of facts
>>511152 No.511237
>>511222We were talking about republics, not Crimea
No.511238
>>511221>The roots of the famine-genocide propaganda campaign lay in a series of articles written by "noted journalist, traveller and student of Russian affairs" Thomas Walker for the Hearst press in 1935. The articles described the horrific famine of 1932-33 in Ukraine, while photographs, accompanying the stories, portrayed desperate victims of the famine.The material and the photographs were truly impressive, but, as it turned out later "noted" journalist Thomas Walker had never visited Ukraine in 1932-1933, furthermore, he never existed.
>As for the photographs, US investigative journalists revealed in 1935 that some of them were taken in war-torn areas of Europe just after the First World War, others depicted the Volga famine victims of 1921-1922 in Russia.
>Tottle pointed out that American newspaper publisher William Randolph Hearst had no scruples about publishing fabricated reports.
>"Not only were the photographs a fraud, the trip to Ukraine a fraud, and Hearst's famine-genocide series a fraud, Thomas Walker himself was a fraud," the Canadian researcher narrated.
>In fact it was not Hearst who launched the famine-genocide campaign: the press mogul had powerful allies — German and Italian fascists.In 1933, the hoax was devised by Reich Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels, who is regarded as the genuine creator of the myth. It was he who started the propaganda campaign against the Soviet rule in Ukraine, by inventing stories of the Soviet atrocities in the region. Ukraine was viewed by Nazis as Germany's potential "Lebensraum."
>In 1934, Hearst visited Nazi Germany and met with the infamous German Fuhrer.
>"It was following Hearst's trip to Nazi Germany that the Hearst press began to promote the theme of 'famine-genocide in Ukraine'," Tottle stressed.
>Taking a soft line on the Nazis' activities in Germany, Hearst unleashed an all-out propaganda war against the USSR. He denigrated Soviet industrialization and collectivization achievements, at the same time eulogizing about Nazi Germany's economic developments.Cope, Nazi propagandist.
No.511239
>>511206>You're literally a nationalistNations are not subjective things, but objective things. They are not determined by statehood, or the official citizenship of a person. This was explained by Stalin in Marxism and the national question.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03.htmNationalism, whether bourgeois or proletarian, has seen great success against western imperialist expansion.
No.511241
>>511193Maybe people cry about Putin because he is an insane neoliberal fascist?
>St. Petersburg (ND). Vladimir Putin, 2nd Mayor of St. Petersburg and Chairman of the Committee for External Relations of the city of six million, has made it clear to German business representatives that a military dictatorship along the lines of the Chilean model would be the desirable solution to Russia's current political problems. This was reported by WDR in the TV feature "Aufbruch nach Osten" (Monday, January 3, 1994, WEST 3 from 9:15 to 9:45 p.m.). >Putin answered questions from representatives of BASF, Dresdner Bank, Alcatel and others who met in the former GDR Consulate General in St. Petersburg. Putin distinguished between "necessary" and "criminal" violence. He said that political violence is criminal if it is aimed at eliminating market-economy conditions, and "necessary" if it promotes or protects private capital investments. He, Putin, expressly approved of possible preparations by Yeltsin and the military to bring about a Pinochet-style dictatorship in view of the difficult private economic path. Putin's remarks were received with friendly applause both by the German company representatives and by the deputy German consul general who was present. No.511242
>>511228Both are fascist lies.
No.511243
>>511237yeah no shit, I couldnt find a source about banning of ukrainian in the republics, the wikipedia article claim it with a (shitty ultra glowie) source talking about crimea.
No.511244
>>511226A Ukraine thread is simply not complete without posting Xitler.
No.511245
>>511238And of course he pivots like crazy away from the point that he's supporting a racially charged invasion from a modern day fascist. Terminal tsarist brain damage
No.511246
>>511242He isn't wrong. Germans used turmoil in Russia to push for Brest.
No.511247
>>511241>neoliberal fascistnext you will come up with 'communist fascist'
>>511240this thread is what happens when we realize that
>>511242>everything i don't like is fascismdoes tumblr still exist? maybe you should go there
No.511248
>>511063The lumpenproletariat are pretty close to peasants in class character. Just as the petite bourgeoisie are being proletarianized, the proletariat are becoming lumpenized. In the future, PPW will be carried out by the lumpenproletariat in the cities. Cybernetic Maosim: Coming to a megacity near you.
No.511249
>>511228Real eyes realize Lenin used Germany
No.511250
>>511245Actually Mr Goebbels if you follow the thread you'll see all I've responded to you about is your insane NATO conspiracy theory about the so-called holodomor, it is you who is pivoting every post.
No.511251
>>511240
The dunces on here still think a war will happen when nothing has happened.
Donetsk/Luhansk were already under Russian control and had Russian troops there already.
Btw it's Stalino and Voroshilovgrad.
No.511252
>>511240>>511239They're useful for finding out who supports fascist invasions
No.511253
>>511243It was banned from education (just like Russian in Ukraine now, to be honest) and removed as a state language. Media is required to be in Russian.
Crimea has a better situation because Russia is an actual country trying to look non-fascist, they even have separate schools for Ukrainians.
No.511256
>>511250That was brought about by ethnically displacing Ukrainians, even if the famine wasn't man made. Inept Soviet policy still lead to millions of deaths which killed off ukranians in that region. You're crying about if it was on purpose.
And you still won't acknowledge you are supporting a man who is invading another country for ethnic reasons. That speaks volumes you tsarist fascist
No.511257
>>511248Jobless workers are workers because they constitute a reserve army of labour. They are proletariat. Lumpens are specifically desociliazed and criminal elements that just "exist". Imagine how Roma people are viewed by every racist, and remember the squalor lumpens live in, their city blocks. It's places where people see working as a punishment, as something below their dignity as a criminalized scum.
No.511258
>>511255There is nothing antifascist in linking colonelcassad
No.511259
>>511152I have taken the time to look into it and there indeed are no sources proving this except trustmebro and bourgeois propaganda. Thanks for correcting this.
No.511261
>>511065Relax man. You fags simply can't figure out how most posts about it are just shitposting.
No.511262
>>511254>everyone who is not a communist is a fascistWW2 larp. Vladolf Putler moment
No.511263
Better poll, with better options.
https://www.strawpoll.me/45972496 No.511264
>>511256>That was brought about by ethnically displacing Ukrainians, even if the famine wasn't man made. Do prove that Soviets moved around gazillion ukrainians and moved in gazillion russians, lol. What the fuck, where do you even get this shit from? You know that no historical evidence supports your crazy claims?
No.511265
>>511260
More based than half this thread unfortunately
No.511266
>>511260
Why should we listen to proimperialist uyghurs?
No.511267
>>511162More like the Kuwait War of Europe.
Saddam did nothing wrong there tbh.
No.511268
>>511261I would hope so but with NATO you never know
No.511269
>>511256>That was brought about by ethnically displacing UkrainiansThis isn't even believed by your deranged teachers on wikipedia lmfao
>even if the famine wasn't man madeSo you accept you don't know what you're talking about and I'm right, maybe you should stop lecturing people on it then.
No.511270
>>511257I am aware, but people turn to crime when they are absolutely destitute situations. If one cannot get a job, and the government will not provide for them, then they need to earn money to survive somehow.
No.511271
>>511252Talking of which the Azov Battalion took Mariupol a few years ago
Wonder if the antifascist brigades of the independant people's republics will expel them now
No.511272
>>511269No I'm not going to continue with your pathetic derailing attempts
Do you think Putin citing ethnic homogeneity as a reason to invade is justified
Engage with the question Putin slavaboo shill
No.511273
>>511271What all five of them?
No.511274
>>511267I agree. Kuwait was a "fuck you" from Britain to Iraq ala what they did to Malaysia with Singapore and Brunei and shit like that everywhere Brits went.
No.511278
>>511266Yeah support for comrade Putin against imperialist Kenya
No.511279
>>511275>>511275My vote wasn't counted when I clicked
No.511280
>>511275what a dumbly worded poll
No.511281
I support the people of Trinidad and Tobago in this struggle.
No.511283
No one has voted anything yet
No.511284
>>511276That's pretty much every african country lmao
No.511285
>>511278He is pushing american propaganda about so-called russian invasion while we saw Ukrainian troops attacking Rostov Oblast recently
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7456823.html No.511286
>>511278what a loony caricature
No.511287
>>511272>derails thread>gets bodied>cries about derailing the threadAbsolutely seething
>Do you think Putin citing ethnic homogeneity as a reason to invade is justifiedThis is what the Ukrainians did in 2014, although it's unsurprising you like the Nazi coup given your previous output
No.511289
>>511239Excellent text by Stalin but obviously outdated. But I have to remind everyone what all these nationalist useful idiots did to our beloved Union and Yugoslavia. They care more about their nations than communism.
No.511290
>>511263I believe NATO is fueling the fire to instigate Russia + I am in support of russian liberation of the DNR LNR
No.511291
>>511285I still can't believe the retards did this. It's so beyond good and evil it's just laughable they tried to attempt this. Thing is, though, ukrainian institutions are crazy enough to attempt something like this, they did similar shit in 2014 as well.
No.511292
>>511287>No u Nice rebuttal
>SeethingI'm not they guy who wrote 2000 words of green text seething lol
>Yes I support fascist PutinAt least you're in good company
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/362644039#p362650404 No.511293
>>511260
A based speech but at the wrong moment. Africans have been dominated by imperial powers. Anything other than imperial powers is a saving grace. He's implicilty applauding the US being there, fucking shit up, so it's a hypocritical speech in context.
No.511295
After weeks of US claims that a Russian invasion of Ukraine was imminent, Vladimir Putin instead recognized the breakaway republics of Luhansk and Donetsk. The decision has triggered a new round of US-led sanctions while bringing attention to rebel-held areas, where, according to UN figures on the Donbas war, 80% of civilian casualties have occurred since 2018.
Professor Richard Sakwa analyzes the factors behind Putin's move, and its likely consequences. Putin's decision, he says, comes after Kiev refused to implement the 2015 Minsk accords, which could have ended the conflict, and a longstanding US-driven project to expand NATO to Russia's borders.
Guest: Richard Sakwa. Professor of Russian and European politics at the University of Kent. His books include “Frontline Ukraine: Crisis in the Borderlands” and his latest, “Deception: Russiagate and the New Cold War.”
||| The Grayzone |||
No.511297
>>511296ok this one works
No.511298
>>511292>I'm not they guy who wrote 2000 words of green text seething lolDo they not have a whiteboard at Langley explaining how this works? The green text is not written by me.
>akshually putin is the fascist, not the guys who massacre trade unionists, want an ethnostate, put nazi symbology everywhere, and worship a fascist collaboratorAnarchist moment. This is why you only exist on the internet.
No.511299
>>511260
What a stupid moron, supporting Ukrainian invasion of DPR/LPR and Russia and blaming everything on Putin lol.
No.511301
>>511296Checkmarks would be better, but whatever. I'd do this
>>511290 No.511302
>>511298>I'm not a Nazi I swearBrowse pol for half an hour. They're all on your side. Although let's be real you're probably already there calling ukranians 'jewish holhols'
No.511305
>>511299I hope you're merely pretending
No.511309
>>511304Apparently you do or you wouldn't be siding with literal Nazis. I guess it's happened before when Nazi German y and the USSR carved up Poland together. Or was that a conspiracy too
No.511310
>>511307>Russia never supplied weapons to rebels and destabilized the regionTypical Russian imperialist
No.511312
>>511310that wasn't excluded by what he said
No.511313
(you)
No.511314
>>511308Green = Diplomacy
Red = Support Russia
Purple = NATO are instigating
Yellow = Support Ukraine
No.511316
>>511309>you wouldn't be siding with literal Nazislol
lmao
No.511317
>>511311>Pivoting from the fact he supports a dictator invading a country for ethnic reasons yet again.It's so tiring arguing with nazis
No.511318
>>511305Didn't Ukraine invade DPR/LPR and Russia?
No.511319
>>511302>Although let's be real you're probably already there calling ukranians 'jewish holhols'It's actually closest spelled in english as "cockholes". Khokhol. Khokhol - it's a single strand of hair at top of the head. Russians are katsaps, supposedly translates to "kak tsap" - "like tsap", whatever it means, but supposedly "like goats", because Russians had back then goatees. I dunno
No.511320
>>511316>Wow it's like the far right is in every countryBut who is invading who again?
And who citied ethnic reasons for their invasion?
No.511321
>>511317>you must pick sides for or against muh /pol/baby brain, please go away
>>511316lmao
No.511322
>>769686
Ukraine did attack Russia and Russian citizens, you have proofs
No.511323
>>511309It's not Russia that's allowing nazi collaborators to march openly in it's streets, it's Ukraine, Baltic States and other butthurt belt of Europe countries.
No.511325
>>511318No Russia gave the lpr and dpr weapons then tried to destabilize the region so they can occupy it for "peace keeping purposes"
No.511326
>>511325Ukraine tried to invade Russia two days ago, do you have a memory?
No.511327
Can someone explain to me the logic of a slav supporting Hitler?
No.511328
>>511321Still can't cope with the fact daddy Putin is invading for ethnic purposes
You even acknowledge it Russian imperialist
No.511329
>>5113271) His anti-slavic sentiment is a Jewish lie
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No.511331
>>511320In your opinion, was the Euromaidan revolution a grassroots movement?
No.511332
>As described by Christopher Bassford, then-professor of strategy at the National War College of the United States:
<One of the main sources of confusion about Clausewitz's approach lies in his dialectical method of presentation. For example, Clausewitz's famous line that "War is a mere continuation of politics by other means," ("Der Krieg ist eine bloße Fortsetzung der Politik mit anderen Mitteln") while accurate as far as it goes, was not intended as a statement of fact. It is the antithesis in a dialectical argument whose thesis is the point—made earlier in the analysis—that "war is nothing but a duel [or wrestling match] on a larger scale." His synthesis, which resolves the deficiencies of these two bold statements, says that war is neither "nothing but" an act of brute force nor "merely" a rational act of politics or policy. This synthesis lies in his "fascinating trinity" [wunderliche Dreifaltigkeit]: a dynamic, inherently unstable interaction of the forces of violent emotion, chance, and rational calculation.
No.511333
>>511326If you think a country that is corners and about to fight for it's life against a nuclear power decided to "invade" it's aggressor then you are probably disabled
No.511334
>>511325>No Russia gave the lpr and dpr weapons then tried to destabilize the region so they can occupy it for "peace keeping purposes"That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re going to keep peace all right.
No.511335
>>511333FSB posted videos of Ukrainian army invading Russia
No.511336
>>511320Yes, tsarists, fascists, communists, liberals, conservatives, everyone went to Donbass to fight for independence from Ukraine. For different reasons. Do prove that they went there to eradicate ukrainians, though, and that fascists amounted to much.
Meanwhile, we have ukrainian fascists burning people alive in Odessa, we had ukrainian fascists outlawing Russian language and beating up and murdering people for speaking it, we have Ukrainian laws aimed at that, with shop personnel getting harassed, cancelled and such over it, we have journalists getting murdered by Ukrainian fascists, etc etc
It's not hard to see that Ukrainian fascists are the dominant force, while Russian fascists are basically tourists who barely affect anything.
No.511337
>>511330Yeah more Kremlin talking points about shit that never happened.
Tell me more about how you want to suck Putin's cock again
No.511338
>>769727
no one mentioned good are bad, only justification which russia currently has
cope
No.511339
>>511327He thinks that communists are the real baddies, and Hitler was liberating people from communist rule - as per Nazi propaganda.
No.511340
>>511337Genocide denial is not a good look chief. Big yikes.
No.511341
>>511336>Muh languageThey don't even teach ukranians in Crimean schools anymore
No.511344
>>511341I keep hearing this but am still failing to see a proof from you
No.511346
>>511340Oof kind of like you were earlier? Ok chief let's hold you to your own standards. How bout actual proof of ukranians rounding up Russians and marching them to death camps. Something that's not "le Kremlin sez so lmao"
No.511347
>>511239>Nations are not subjective things, but objective things.lol
>But Stalin said-!Cool, don't care to read reactionary nonsense.
No.511348
Russia doing a color revolution doesn't preclude many people there wanting independence
https://dif.org.ua/en/article/results-of-regional-public-opinion-poll-in-donetsk-and-luhansk-regions>When people were asked about the ways and means of achieving sustainable peace, new regional divisions emerged. >Residents of Donetsk GCA tended to choose the ways that were more favorable for Ukraine, such as economic and defence build-up (31%) and increase of sanctions on Russia (23%). On the other hand, majority of Luhansk residents were in favor recognizing legitimacy of DNR/LNR (38%) and yielding to Russian demands which means recognition of DNR/LNR autonomy and annexation of Crimea (15%).Of course, opinion is healthily divided.
Inb4 Putlerist mind control
>>511328inventing things just to posture. go back to twitter
No.511349
>>511345I'm arguing with 6 different retards who never learned the utility of concise language. Sorry but unironic tldr
No.511350
>>769744
back to reddit with you slide fag
No.511351
>>511343
Dams do not dry up rivers. What the fuck is wrong with all this dam-hating recently, lol
No.511352
>>511348In his speech from two days ago he literally said that ethnic Russians belong in russia
No.511353
What options do Ukrainians have but to fight? Give up Crimea? And then Luhansk and Donetsk? And then entire southern part? Why not entire country? Do they have the right to self defense?
No.511355
>>511350>someone wants peace>go back to redditreally?
No.511356
>>511353they do but will lose
No.511357
>>511352>putin said somethinghe sucks, I do not care
No.511358
>>511349Why don't you stop posting such a flood of stupid shit then?
No.511359
>>511351They create water shortages in the areas downstream from the dam.
No.511361
>>511353Agree to the Minsk accords? Why didn't they do that for like seven years?
No.511362
>>511355>slides and shits posts>gets told off>shocked in responselmao
No.511363
>>511358Why don't you stop dick riding the kremlinology n and leave Ukraine the fuck alone you retarded Nazi faggot cunt
No.511364
>>511362you didn't respond to his argument, you used the typical "get-out" clause of saying "go back to reddit".
No.511365
>>511364there was no argument
No.511366
>>511363Why don't you literally shake some more you radlib faggot
No.511367
>>511353start a communist revolution so an obscure internet borgida book club would support them in spirit
No.511368
>>511353No. Ukraine was given every opportunity to stop being antagonistic towards Russia. Russia was selling them gas cheap, even, weren't persecuting them for stealing fucking gas and even reselling it. Everything Russia wanted was Ukraine not joining NATO. Don't remember about EU, IIRC EU was associated with NATO, so that's why Ukraine wanting in EU was seen as a bad thing. Also, Ukraine was seen as a member of Russia's Customs Union.
No.511369
>>511357>Putin says he's invading for ethnic reasons>Citations pls>He said it 2 days ago >IDC lmaoYeah this board is braindead
No.511370
>>511361Because of retarded nationalist terrorists and incompetent security forces. Parliament suffered a nationalist attack when it was trying to recognize Minsk
No.511371
>>511365He was drawing parallels between the US invasion of Iraq and whats happening now.
No.511372
>>511352>In his speech from two days ago he literally said that ethnic Russians belong in russiaLies. Go watch it yourself. Don't listen to media lies.
No.511375
>>511353>What options do Ukrainians have but to fight? Give up Crimea? yes. Realistically, it was more "russian" than "ukrainian", and they didnt like the nazi coup.
>And then Luhansk and Donetsk? the peace agreement wanted more autonomy in the form of a federal government. Too bad ukraine thought it was unacceptable and started shelling the civilian there instead.
>>511328>for ethnic purposesthis shit and the national story are always pretexts to the purpose you braindead moron. The reason are geopolitical in nature you brainlet.
No.511376
>>511371thats fine but there still is no argument
No.511377
>>511369It's one faggot who replies to as many people as possible shitting aggressively, then because of his autism the stimulation from receiving so many replies sends him into a spastic fit
No.511378
>>511369you mean the glowies are bad at their job
No.511379
>>511374liberal autism: using violence to regime change is a-OK, but the borders must always remain where they are
No.511380
>>511359How so? Water pools up in reservoir, some evaporates, sure, but dams for ELECTRICITY mostly use water's fall energy to rotate turbines. How's that going to cause water shortage? Come on now, that's dumb.
There's concerns ala what Ukraine did to Crimea, refusing to sell water to Crimea, but that's clearly not the intent of dams, it's an effect dam control brings. It's not a normal way of dam operation, you know?
No.511381
>>511369What you invented is that I have favorable opinions about Vladolf Putler, the Holodomor 2.0 Enjoyer
>>511370>Parliament suffered a nationalist attack when it was trying to recognize MinskWow really? source
No.511382
>>769781
Wow tl;dr I only have time to post inane shit not read the replies
No.511383
This shit is getting ridiculous the right is all in on Putin now and growing more in support by the day in this.
Sight to behold
No.511385
>>511379MUH TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY
No.511387
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/a-nightmare-parents-fear-for-australian-surrogate-babies-in-ukraine-20220223-p59z3w.html>Ukraine has strict rules governing eligibility for surrogacy. The intended parents must be heterosexualAzov Battalion supporting radlibs on suicide watch
No.511388
>>511383not many people support NATO
No.511389
>>511383Does Washington seem all in on Putin?
Big if true
No.511390
>>511383USA supports leftists (not communists), including greens, and Russia uses the rightists, because Anglo regimes don't feed rightists enough.
No.511391
>>511389I'm talking about right wingers online and commentators. They are fully on board with Putin on this and getting more overt about it by the day
No.511395
>>511353>Do they have the right to self defense?we're talking geopolitics, not spook. Do you think canada and mexico has the right to self defense if they wanted to join russia military alliance ? Do you think it would change shit when US army invade ?
Also equating ukrainians civilians with their corrupt government put there by US is questionable.
No.511397
>>511390>leftists (not communists),I think you mean liberals
No.511398
>>511116>Let's talk about it>here's my ethnic chartSomeone doesn't understand the Ukrainian culture war. Ukraine is divided by language more than ethnicity, with Donbas representing the Russian pole. Ukrainians there have ties to Russia, usually through family and work, and strongly opposed things like the EU/NATO and supported the customs union with Russia. The cities there are dominated by Russians, and have a separatist history going back to the 90s.
The reason for this is with 1917 west Ukraine formed a bourgeois republic while east Ukraine formed Soviet republics. Decommunizing the union they created is a contradiction that yields a national question. It's pretty straightforward
No.511399
>>511347True, you're better off watching \/aush
No.511400
>>511394Board full of fascists how surprising
No.511402
>>511400We need a tantrumjak, a wojak made specifically for the one angry (1 >votes)
No.511404
>>511381Also there was a dispute about the date of elections, Minsk agreements didn't specify it so both "republics" and national government made their own and didn't recognize another. Elections were the most important part of Minsk because foreign troops and mercenaries leave after it and Ukrainian army should take full control over Russian-Ukrainian border in this region.
No.511406
>>511354This dude is a schizo who wrote a panegyric about Putin and said the deep state was behind the George Floyd protests. But the Odessa massacre was real yeah, here's a proper article:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/30/there-was-heroism-and-cruelty-on-both-sides-the-truth-behind-one-of-ukraines-deadliest-days No.511408
>>511392>Ukrops attacked parliament to prevent peace agreementLmao, sucks for other Ukrainians but the nationalists got the fighting and the massive L that they wanted.
>>511404Wonder if that was on purpose
No.511409
>>511405All the options are habooning based
No.511410
>>511399>\/aushDon't lump me in with that useful idiot for fascists .
The only way to defeat modern fascism is through the balkanization of both Russia and China
No.511411
>>511407For what lmao. To show to Agent Kochinski? Will the other anticommunist agents come and take him away?
No.511412
>>511406My first choice for the article was stuck on DDoS protection for a minute so I just looked for another
not like he will read it since all he is here for is to smear shit on the walls No.511413
>>511410Watch Hasanabi instead :D
No.511415
>>511410Ah yes, the USA were the real antifascists all along! Great take 'comrade'
wink No.511416
>>511408Nazis and other radical nationalists are a really big problem in Ukraine, they openly deny government's authority over their "integrated" battalions and refuse to give up the weapons. "Tornado" assholes were destroyed for war crimes, but the government can't do much about Azov, even when it directly undermines their relations with the US.
No.511417
>>769838
glad you've conceded
No.511418
>>511411>kochinski would dislike being recommended to people???
you wanna try to diss me again?
No.511419
>>511416That sucks my friend. This is why everyone thinks Ukraine is full of Nazis. I realize it's a small minority but they have an outsized amount of influence and power.
>the government can't do much about Azov, even when it directly undermines their relations with the US.I know that it looks bad, but has anyone come out and publicly acknowledged it?
No.511421
>>511414BLOODCASTECELEB VANGUARD EDITIONCOME
CHAT
WATCH THE WORLD BURN
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/bloodcast No.511423
>>511422click the 3 dots and click "don't recommend posts from this channel"
No.511424
>>511422>Wow… if you think about it… Putin is just like Hitler…I fucking hate liberals.
No.511425
>>511422>german population of czechia, 1938so are we the chinlets now?
No.511426
>>511422i think he's one of these pseudo leftist imperialists like vaosh
>>511418Do you watch him?
No.511427
>>511423Too bad it doesn't fucking work
No.511428
You should all really read this poll done about Ukraine and Russia population thoughts on situation released today
Don't immediately go fake news CNN! It's actually pretty interesting to read and you'll be surprised even by the results to it, that don't side with a western narrative so much at all
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2022/02/europe/russia-ukraine-crisis-poll-intl/index.htmlhttps://comresglobal.com/polls/russians-ukrainians-poll-cnn-23-feb/ No.511429
>>511422TIL Czechs were oppressing the Germans and had Nazi paramilitaries doing so
No.511430
>>511419> I know that it looks bad, but has anyone come out and publicly acknowledged it?President mostly tries to look cool and assure everyone that everything is under control. Don't forget that besides radicals there are a lot of "patriotic" Ukrainians who have strange ideas about what capitulation looks like, so politicians act like… politicians. real concessions like federalization are viewed with hostility, just like majority of Russians hate the idea of Crimea not being Russian.
No.511431
>>511426only on the bloodcast
No.511432
>>511423>do this with that faggot BritMonkey>he keeps resurfacing every X monthsfuck fascisttube
No.511433
>>511431Ok. ukranon was making fun of you
>>511430Shitty situation. Thanks for explaining
>>511428Lol, half of all Americans said they would send troops there, without realizing it would start WW3, but CNN has to make Russians looks so insane
No.511435
>>511434I'm responding to the fearmongering CNN article that was linked
No.511436
>>511433> but CNN has to make Russians looks so insaneRussian poll center recently dropped the figures for approval of recognition of the republics. 45% support it and 40% oppose. The government agency says 73% and 14%.
No.511437
>>511433> Shitty situation.Situation in Post-Soviet countries is shitty overall, even in those few baltic states better integrated into western capitalist economy.
No.511438
>>511260
Kenya with a surprisingly based take on this whole thing. Historically imperialized nations in Africa know exactly what imperialism by a European country against a smaller power looks like.
No.511439
>>511422dude with pretty limited understanding of history and economics
has funny vids about elon musk tho, which is about his only quality
he lived and went to university in germany for some time (a few years at best?)
did a stream with Agent Kochinski where Agent Kochinski showd to be an ignorant burger which made adam look like an intellectual. then adam proceeded to talk random shit about german inner-party politics with concluding that the best option for a lefty is to vote for the green party.
No.511440
>>511439> the best option for a lefty is to vote for the green party.It isn't? At least they have sane foreign policy stance
No.511441
>>511436effectively the same
No.511442
>>511433That CNN poll isn't insane. That's the typical russian opinion on other polling
No.511443
>>511439>the best option for a lefty is to vote for the green partyHe glows more the more he speaks
No.511444
>>511439voting third party is the stupidest position
No.511445
>>511410langley ain't even trying anymore
No.511446
Appearantly there is a powerfull lobby in the US advocating for a no fly zone above the Ukraine controlled areas in Donbass,
fucking insane
No.511447
>>511440>At least they have sane foreign policy stance<adhering to US of A is sane foreign policysure thing
>>511443funnily he also hase quite some vids on how socialist city planning is superior to suburbian hellscapes. strange dude regardless
No.511448
>>511139well stalin was wrong lol
No.511449
Republicans again more against involvement in war against Russia than Democrats
Democrats begging for war with them
New poll by APNEWS
https://apnorc.org/projects/americas-role-in-the-russia-and-ukraine-situation/ No.511450
>>511448<Stalin vs some liberal on the internetok you just lost lmao
No.511452
>>511450>I'm a liberal because I don't support wars justified in ethnic grounds ok
No.511453
>>511452horseshoe theory strikes again
No.511454
>>511451
stonks are on sale, I like Home Depot currently
No.511455
>>511452at least you admit being a liberal
No.511456
>>511449That's because a democrat is power who wants war, remember that politics in America is about team sports not about an understanding of geopolitics
No.511457
>>511456Nah, lots of Republicans like Putin and have this idea that they can pull Russia to USA to fight together against china
Meanwhile Democrats want to utterly demolish Russia
Democrats you'll regularly see talk about Russians like they are subhuman
No.511459
>>511449it's all so tiresome, when Taiwan is on the news it will be the opposite
No.511460
>>511457>talk about Russians like they are subhumani agreed with you up until this point, this is just false.
No.511461
>>511457Bruh Republicans liking Putin is a literal meme made-up by democrats for some online spectacle, remember the entire Russia gate thing?
It is the same as Republicans thinking that the democrats are sellouts to China
No.511462
>>511458>>I don't support self-preservation of Russians against Ukrainian Nazis that want to purify Aryan soil from the West Asian Mongrels (Slavs, Russians) It's one thing if it was a class war, but I don't support race wars on principle. Right to self determination is arguably being violated by both countries.
No.511464
>>511460Why do you disagree on that
No.511466
>>511460.t has never watched rachel maddow
No.511467
>>511463Yes it is, what is Qanon about? What is the WHO, cause of the pandemic etc. according to republicans etc? The Chinese and demorats collaborating
No.511468
>limtus test
Russia is imperialist, USA is imperialist, China is NOT imperialist.
No.511469
>>511464because this simply doesn't happen, no matter how much one can hate liberals, they don't talk like this.
No.511470
>>511422He's liberal that made algorithmbait meme videos about Musk,trains,rightoids and lolberts that has felt the call of propaganda and joined the Agent Kochinskiite sphere of "left neocons".
Just like with his meme videos, he's saying the things, using the keywords and all the rest of it that would get him inserted on the topic for recommendations. He's probably jumped the shark and lost all relevancy once this thing blows over.
No.511471
>>511465It's not. Democrats despise xi and china.
Many Republicans see Putin as a strong man protecting Christian values and fighting le globohomo west and new world order
No.511473
>>511422>Who the fuck is "Adam Something" Some liberal faggot
his urbanism vids aren't that bad>why is YouTube recommending him to me? He uses his community section as a soapbox to dunk on ""tankies"", which is picked by the algorithm.
No.511474
>>511471>It's not. Democrats despise xi and china.we're talking about Russia try to keep up
>Many Republicans see Putin as a strong man protecting Christian valueswrong
No.511475
>>511471>Many Republicans see Putin as a strong man protecting Christian values and fighting le globohomo west and new world orderAccording to the Washington post, CNN, and the democrats on Twitter
No.511476
>>511475its actually worse than republicans, its /pol/ saying those things.
No.511477
>>511475>>511474You guys clearly don't speak to right wing people.
If you just browse patriots.win for example for 2 mins you'll see exactly this.
No.511478
>>511472Sino-Soviet split
Soviets fucked themselves by being revisionist retards, and Chinese fucked it up by going completely autistic because the Soviets were being revisionists
No.511479
>>511472Ask some leader of any communist country in 1978 if this map is true
No.511480
Protip: do not, under any circumstances, look for or listen to the opinion of any burger political talking head who didn't know where Donbass was until two weeks ago. This includes Voosh, Candace Owens, Kyle Kulinski, Krystal Ball, Tim Pool, Tucker Carlson, and any other partisan Democrat/Republican channel that is twisting the coverage of a possible regional war into yet another culture war topic. Do yourself a favor today.
No.511482
>>511477I wonder what /pol/ is up to
An internal civil war over who is more based, shirtless horseback putin or azov battalion seems likely.
No.511484
>>511480>didn't mention hasanbased
No.511485
>>511477The right prefers Ukraine and Taiwan
No.511486
>>511482At a glance it seems pol hates zelensky enough to mostly have abandoned pro Ukrainian sentiment
No.511487
Russian parliament approved the bill that requires all conscripts to voluntarily visit military commissariat if they didn't receive subpoena.
No.511488
>>511482/pol/ really does have a diversity of (retarded) ideas. Some there have even come around to seeing China as savior of the world from globohomo
No.511489
>>511480the more illiterate in geography someone is the more they want war.
No.511490
>>511482/Pol/ dosent support Azov battalion at all. It is an obvious OP to them. In their western counrtry their far right views are demonized, insulted and attacked non stop
Then Azov gets support from Atlantic council and media covers up for them.
It's to them like the syrian "rebels"
Just a glowie group controlled to fight
They also support Assad
No.511491
>>511444Democrat glow detected
No.511492
>>511488China doesn't go along with western liberalism what are you talking about
No.511493
>>511488> Some there have even come around to seeing China as savior of the world from globohomoNo wonder, they are genociding m*slims and this is a good thing for them
No.511494
>>511485>The right prefers Ukraine Lol no they don't. Right wingers are shitting all over Ukraine non stop
No.511496
check the /pol/ catalog this second, its full of pro-russia and/or anti-ukraine threads
No.511497
>>511491what about that supports democrats?
sounds like you're just throwing glow at anything you don't like
No.511500
>>511496stop being obsessed with pol
No.511501
>>511490>/Pol/ dosent support Azov battalion at all. Bruh, why is this even of importance
No.511502
>>511498
is that an irony account? funny enough the opposite of all of those has happened
No.511504
>>511501some people on leftypol are so obsessed with pol that their entire opinion is just being the opposite of whatever pol is in favor of and if they like something they'll do any sort of mental gymnastics to prove pol doesn't like it
This is a perfect example of some schizo trying to rationalize pol preferring communists in the DPR to Azov nazis
No.511505
>>511503well you've clearly been beaten by more intelligent people
No.511506
>>511494They shit on neoliberalism, not Ukrainian nationalism
>>511499>horseshoe theory In reality it's because liberalism with unipolarity became the 'progressive' logic of bourgeois dictatorship which, under globalization, alienates both nationalists and socialists
No.511508
>>511504breh, the chain started with "rightoids like putin", not "wtf I don't know what to think I just support Ukraine now"
No.511509
>>511501You are only butthurt about this being discussed because your world view is apparently demonized if you realize that Republican party today isn't the one of George bush and it's Democrats pushing for defending Ukraine at the moment
Literally check any major right wing voice they are crapping all over Ukraine or any right wing forum
No.511510
>>511506>>horseshoe theory More like horsecock theory amirite fellas
No.511511
>>511027tl;dr overthrow your shitheel westcuck government and hope the russkies do the same
This is basically bourgeois fascist Croatia vs. bourgeois fascist Serbia but bigger. (and the westoid commies will support the russians like they supported the serbs)
Both need to be toppled by proletarian revolution.
No.511516
>>511515post something substantive enough for me to seethe at
No.511517
>>511504> communists in the DPRHmm, proclaiming your republic an ethnostate looks very communist
No.511518
The US started a proxy war with Russia in 2014 with the color revolution in the euromaidan that overthrew the legitimate government of Ukraine, at that time Ukraine as a independent country seized to exist. Parts of the Ukraine became a semi US colony. Other parts of the Ukraine declared independence. So far one of these independent regions (Crimea) has joined the Russian federation, which was democratically legitimated by a referendum. Two more regions Donetsk and Luhansk are on the same trajectory. And Russia can't really be blamed for that because the semi US Colony of smaller Ukraine has been refusing to negotiate a compromise with the people from the breakaway regions and Russian security concerns for 8 years. Instead they allied them self with ethno nationalists who are shelling civilian areas with artillery and are likely suspects of a recent series of bomb terror, basically terrorizing a Russian speaking minority. Putin seems to be willing to protect these minorities from deprivations and terror, at least that is how the Russian recognition of Donetsk and Luhansk republics is interpreted. All the right-wing liberals are up in arms about this because the material basis for anchoring right-wing liberal politics (which inlcudes both conservative and radlib race-baiters) in the superstructure is ethnic conflict. They want Ukraine to have a population that is divided by ethnic tensions. If the Russian speaking minority that lives in the eastern parts of former Ukraine joins the Russian federation, the race baiting gig is finished.
Putins primary concern is creating more distance to Nato, and saving Russian speaking minorities from Ukrainian neo-nazis is undoutably good PR. The moronic Azov battalion goons are wearing swastikas and do heil Hitler gestures, giving Putin the opportunity to win a simulacra of WW2 again. And all the shills for US empire have demonstrated that they follow the liberal tradition of siding with Fascist over short term gains regardless how stupid this is, these people even have a race-manifesto. The communists in these regions all sided with Russia btw.
US primary concerns are separating Ukrain from Russia, and separating Russia from Germany. Which has worked in the short term but will fail in the medium to long term. It's quite possible that the US is also sabotaging the economy of European countries as a secondary objective.
It's kinda strange that Putin is now depicted as aggressor because his moves have been cautious and very restrained. During the Soviet Era we would have seen Russian armor entering Kiev if somebody in Washington used the word Nato and Ukraine in the same sentence.
The Europeans missed the opportunity to distance them self from the US and take on the role of equidistant third party peace facilitator. At least that would have ensured low gas prices. You can gain as much geopolitical influence as a peacemaker than as conflict-provocateur.
No.511519
>>511472>India is socialist>Portugal is socialistJust the two most obvious retarded things about this map
No.511521
>>511460Americans in general think that any foreigner who has the upper hand on them is a shifty, lying sneak.
No.511522
>>511493>No wonder, they are genociding m*slims and this is a good thing for themFirst, the China thread is two blocks down
Second, you joking right ?
No.511524
>>511522we have some demshitters in here apparently.
No.511525
>>511516already did apparently
No.511526
>>511517you're lying at this point
No.511529
>>511422The fucker is getting promoted by CIA or some shit, all the usual talking points.
Also, regarding that picture. Why the fuck is he not talking about Britain and France appeasing Hitler in spite of "tankie" Stalin's wishes? Fucking intellectual honesty, where is it?
No.511530
>>511527lmao quads spend on you seething over me
glorious
No.511531
>>511103They are progressive, yes. Maybe not in the domain of sodomy but they are progressive regardless in regards with countering imperialism and western hegemony
No.511532
>>511528
>correction
Love how capitalism has adopted newspeak.
No.511533
>>511528
stocks are on sale boys
No.511535
>>511531I actually do wonder why image board people hate homos so much.
No.511537
>>511523>they said donbas is Russian That's your evidence of an ethnostate?
No.511538
>>511534don't speak russian sorry
No.511539
>>511537They literally said that these are Russian (as in ethnic Russian) national states.
No.511540
>>511528
>oh no oh no OH NO NO NO
Whenever I read or hear this, that tiktok song pops into my mind and won't go away, am I brain damaged?
No.511541
>>511242Lenin was a mistic who magically appeared in the Finland station
No.511542
https://russian-center.ru/8315-2/You can translate this document, very interesting reading. "Русский" means "ethnic Russian".
No.511543
>>511541true, he was also a shroom.
No.511544
>12600 (Twelvethousandsixhundred) posts in
<Still no serious combat
Bored as fuck by this shit.
No.511545
>>511544tons of entertaining malding between tankies and liberals though
No.511546
>>511284That is why every African country (no matter the ideological standpoint) will oppose seccesion movements in any nation.
Somaliland is there, functioning as an independent republic but no one will recognize it for it allows the precedent of dismemberment.
Its only states triying to protect its own skin
No.511548
>>511539Russia itself is not a Russian national state
No.511550
>>511539>They literally said that these are Russian national statesYes, they are Russian separatists
>as in ethnic Russian No
There's no evidence the separatist republics are dedicated to the purity of ethnic Russians or their rule over ethnic Ukrainians.
No.511551
>>770026
statism and its consequences has been a disaster for the human race.
No.511553
>>511551Yet you live in a state. Curious.
No.511554
>>511548Yes, Russian Constitution says it is multiethnic state.
>>511549Yeah, there is difference between "Российский" and "Русский" with the former being about Russian country and the latter about ethnic Russians.
No.511555
>>511553we should decrease hierarchy somewhat
No.511556
>>511442I'm sure it's true, but the headline is suppose to aggravate you. Meanwhile even more Americans support NATO troops in Ukraine
No.511557
I wish Givi was alive to see this :(
No.511558
>>511551speaking about the state…
here's a stream of the state department daily brief
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/bloodcast No.511559
>>511556>Meanwhile even more Americans support NATO troops in UkraineI believe thats due to lack of foresight, not malicious intentions.
No.511560
>>770026
>True korea is an ethnostate
liberals learning the difference between homogenous and Ethnostate challange (Impossible)
No.511561
>>511555great, let us organize a body that forces others to follow such a rule
>>511557rip
No.511562
This video is hilarious lmao
https://youtu.be/ucEs0nBuowE No.511564
>>511561why make a body to do it when we can just do it ourselves
No.511565
Ned price live. US State dept guy
https://youtu.be/qAgqk2DJ3t8 No.511566
>>511554>"Русский" is about ethnic Russianshttps://translate.yandex.com/?lang=en-ru&text=russianThe term Russian itself isn't purely about ethnic Russians lol
No.511567
>>511564okay, then we will do the forcing and claim not to be a body
No.511568
>>511567>violence is statism and the more violent it is the statesier it isdid you confuse ancoms with ancaps
No.511569
>>511422The youtube algo serving the empire by shilling it as loud as it can
It also appears to me
Fucking hell
>>511353Overthrow their own goverment and get rid of collaborationists cult and neonazis would be a great start.
No.511574
>>511572The YouTube commenter is not a normie, but rather an entirely other species of weirdo. Also don't trust upvote/like based political content
No.511576
>>511562>into the Russian Federationtop kek my man jumped the gun
Reminds me of the Saddam purge video where the guy gets too excited and says they should use Stalin's methods, and Saddam's like "nah, Saddam tactics are good enough."
No.511577
>>511570Yes one is of Russian nation, one of state of Russia
That is why putin said in 2014
>Kiev is the mother of “Russkie” citiesRussian identity defining itself as successor to the Rus. What the separatist republics declared is that they are part of the nation of Russia, not that Ukrainians there aren't. It's impossible to do this given the amount of Ukrainians, especially the countryside.
You can see this in the Bolsheviks themselves. Their 'all-Russian' position was multiethnic and, again, defined by the Rus and its successor nations. It then came up with an all-Ukrainian position, which it sought to include east Ukraine into. This has failed thanks to Ukrainian nationalism generating a Russian national question.
No.511578
Pelosi is just gone mentally
She referred to Ukraine as Hungary while describing it
Then later when mentioned Ukraine called it "the Ukraine" which will piss off ukranians lol
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1496537971474014213?s=20&t=Xe-uBDAYBA0QuUYLzjHhaA No.511579
>>511575
Critical support for the acceleration
No.511582
>>511571you do realize neolibs make this argument about the bourgeoisie, that investing is a part of the production process and being an investor is just a result of labor specialization
No.511585
>>511578Stupid fucking ancient BurgerBoomers™ trying to ruin the world in exciting new ways every day.
Please just fuck kill me.
No.511587
>>511581>y-you coping because i'm retard and don't know the differencewhat is next, most coutries in japan, nordics and african coutries are ethnostates in your logic ?
No.511589
>>511587*Like japan
holy fuck
No.511590
>>511587if they took measures to control their racial demographics like the dprk
No.511591
>>511541He travelled with neutral Switzerland along with many others, follow your leader vlasovite.
No.511593
>>511582>investing is a part of the production processMoPs do require upkeep, but that's not necessarily investment in the capitalist sense
>being an investor is just a result of labor specializationwell, that's just false
No.511594
>>511038Not if they all get drafted and redacted in a war with nato
No.511595
>>511592
What is the difference between Japan and Israel in regards to ethnic policy?
No.511596
>>511587Japan has institutional racism and xenophobia on a scale so large it makes David Duke look like a SJW
No.511599
>>511591How did he do it?
No.511601
>>511577> Their 'all-Russian'It was written as "Все
российская"
No.511602
>>511590which the DPRK does not do, don't know got that from.
>>511592that is homogeny, anon, they don't apply "japanese only" laws like Israel, and while their migration laws are US tier retarded, if you can pass through them you just live there, so you can say that they help to mantain their Homogeny for many reasons, most of then rascist and xenophobic because look who controls the country, but an ethnostate they are not.
No.511603
this thread is so active you'd almost believe something significant has happened in the past 24 hours
No.511604
>>511603Something did. Burgers googled "what is ukraine".
No.511606
T H E
H
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Ukraine
No.511607
>>511606Oh go fuck yourself
No.511609
>>511607The mere borderlands of Russia
No.511610
>>511606seriously though, why are ukrops so autistic? i've never heard a russian cry about calling it Moscow
No.511611
Lol this Solovyov rage is hilarious
No.511612
>>511598Great context. It's so funny how burger media keeps Russiagate alive when the US gov could have just ended this
No.511614
>>511603half this thread is anons mis-labelling other anons as liberals
No.511615
>>511614first day on /leftypol/?
No.511616
>>511614the other is the same but about fascists
No.511617
>>511614there is at least one very persistent liberal unironically posting pro-nato pro-dnc bs
No.511618
>>511614Sounds like liberal cope to me
No.511622
>>511619Unironically yes. All AES are supporting Russia, including China. Suckit up and walkit off.
No.511624
>>511617his stance is anti-war, i dont think that makes him a liberal.
No.511626
>>511624being 100% anti war is definitely a liberal position
No.511627
>>511601Yes, all the Russian nations of Russia. Great Russians, White Russians, and Little Russians.
I'm still missing the part where the separatists are an ethnic Russian threat to ethnic Ukrainians, rather than stating Donbas and its people are part of the Russian nation
No.511628
>>511622>AES (…) including Chinapremium bait
No.511629
>>511626I want Americans to stop using the word liberal
No.511630
>>511629then stop being a liberal and you won't get called one
No.511631
Sean Hannity is currently blaming the "socialist Democratic party's green new deal" for empowering Putin to the point that this war seems inevitable.
No.511632
>>511619Thats not what I'm talking about and the fact that you are using imperialism kind of exposes you as an idealist. Russia is capitalist and expansionist and you could argue that it is conquering territory through violence but that is not the same thing as imperialism.
A principled anarcho-communist position recognizes Marx and Lenin's contributions to theory and understands that imperialism has a material basis. The disagreement with ML's is one of accountability, representation and democracy with regards to parties and the question of a vanguard. Calling countries imperialist whenever they do bad things is not correct or coherent because imperialism is driven necessarily by the economic material contradictions of monopoly finance capital to counteract the falling rate of profit.
No.511634
>>511626Is he 100% anti-war? I don't think so.
No.511635
Make a new thread dengoids
This one's full
No.511636
>>511628china is socialist
No.511637
>>511633
>retarded bimbo does an activism
i can't wait for the strong, educated, and self-determined women to come back under global socialism.
No.511638
>>511630You clearly don't even know what that means retard, this word is so diluted by opiated burger brains that it just end up being thrown by stupid debatebros. "Oh you eat ananas pizza? You fucking liberal"
No.511639
China is not socialist.
Also it's not happening.
No.511640
>>511634he didn't not say he was
cope
No.511643
>>511642sorry but just saying you're socialist doesn't make a nation socialist
No.511644
ITT: liberals discover the word liberal (derogatory)
No.511645
>>511643>a dictatorship of the proletariat doesn't mean a country is socialist Nice one.
No.511647
>>511643it's not declaring anything. the state is founded on the democratic alliance of the proletariat and the peasantry, along with two other classes (bloc of four classes), which carries out the tasks of the democratic revolution (the revolution of the national bourgeoisie). the subsequent nation this creates can only be held together by the alternative national class to the bourgeoisie, the proletariat and its communist party. thus, the democratic revolution is inherently connected and progressing to the socialist one.
No.511649
>>511633
god damn, these libs are just making me like Trump more and more
No.511650
>>511649i still think it was a good thing that he was elected. imperialism was in crisis and he fucked pretty much everything up. i think it really is over for these uyghas
No.511651
>>511645China is not a dotp, China doesn't consider itself a dotp. The p is just one of the little stars on the flag
No.511652
>>511647>it's not declaring anythingits clearly declaring that
<the state is founded on the democratic alliance of the proletariat and the peasantryalso vague terminology like "an alliance of the proletariat and the peasantry" doesn't suddenly constitute socialism
No.511653
>>511649horseshoe theory strikes again
No.511654
>>511636false and it's not supporting russian intervention either
No.511655
>>511647wow, maotism is wild.
it's like reading about scientology.
No.511659
>>511655that's not a maoist, that's a 50 cent army bot.
No.511660
>>511656This meme dude tortured people for the CI and studied in imperialist college, I did not. Therefore I am less liberal than him.
No.511661
>>511657
least incel eurasianist
No.511662
>>511628When you have your socialist revolution, talk to me about soicalism.
No.511663
>>511652>also vague terminology like "an alliance of the proletariat and the peasantry" doesn't suddenly constitute socialismThat alliance is socialist, yes. It combines two revolutions to unite a nation in a backwards country, where the bourgeoisie is too weak thanks to being squeezed between feudalism at home and imperialism abroad, and promises to hold it together and develop it through the alternative national class and its socialism.
this democratic revolution of a new type, for the periphery and subaltern countries, cannot stay together without the connection to socialism and therefore neither can its nation stay united without it.
>>511655>wow, maotism is wild. im not a maoist, im a trot. trotsky's idea of permanent revolution was also based on this combination of two revolutions, just he had more strict ideas of the proletariat leading the peasantry, the necessity of connection to the advanced countries to actually proceed on to the socialist revolution, and so on.
No.511664
>>511662what country do you live in again?
No.511665
>>511664In Venezuela :^)
Again, when you have your socialist revolution, talk me again about China.
No.511666
>>511659hes describing democracy under socialism
you can disagree that it lines up with the reality in china but i don't see the problem with his description maybe if you think there is one you can elaborate on that
No.511667
>>511665>not going for something cooler like cubashit taste
No.511668
when will the real invasion start lads/ladettes
No.511669
>>511635Where's the baker
No.511670
>>511665Venezuela is socdem, it never had a revolution. Chavez was voted in and the most based part of the Venezuelan reforms, the Bolivarian missions, have never infringed on the private property of the elite, much less private property relations in general.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Zamora#Legal_specificationsGet back to me when your bus driver expropriates the bourgeoisie.
No.511671
>>511670>the Bolivarian missions, have never infringed on the private property of the elite, much less private property relations in general.So why the fuck are they sperging out so hard?
No.511672
>>511666>hes describing democracy under socialismwell, it's describing why, thanks to imperialism, the democratic revolution that is otherwise carried out by the bourgeoisie is inherently connected to socialism in the periphery and subaltern nations of the world
>>511670venezuela is a democratic revolution on the wrong side of capitalism's uneven development and subsequently exploited by imperialism. bolivarianism is inherently socialist
No.511673
>>511671They sperg out at even the smallest reforms. Bernie doesn't threaten capital in any way, but he's still the devil to them.
No.511674
>>511672They already consider Maduro to be Satan and will happily sponsor CIA-backed coup attempts like in 2020. Why not go all the way and expropriate the bourg and the landlords?
Venezuela's "revolution" has no balls and is destined for failure. All it's accomplishing right now is free propaganda for the imperialist west, they can just sanction you and go "lol gommunism no food vuvuzela" to their heart's content.
No.511675
>>511665 (me)
>>511670>Venezuela is socdemChavez understood the need of demolishing state capitalism in his speech regarding
why socialism essay from Albert Einstein.
This is not the thread for this talk, but you don't know what you are talking about :^)
No.511676
>>511433>half of all Americans said they would send troops theresource on this poll?
No.511677
>>511673truly the age of darkest reaction
No.511678
>>511433>half of all Americans said they would send troops therewhat does this matter? half of american's don't even have an effect on what the military does
No.511680
>>511459This. Some people here are making the mistake of thinking that republicans are somehow anti-war because of polls like this
>>511449, but when it comes to China, they are absolutely bloodthirsty.
No.511682
>>511673Again:
>>511675>Chavez understood the need of demolishing state capitalism in his speech regarding why socialism essay from Albert Einstein.He knew that the deeds of state capitalism are mere a stationary phase towards socialism, and beneath the state capitalism still exists the injustices of capitalism.
You don't what you are talking about.
No.511683
>>511674Cuz they went the electoral reform path and have to battle over a middle in a battle with the domestic right
No.511685
>>511680republicans post trump have been more anti war then democrats
No.511686
>>511678just media criticism anon
No.511687
>"Today, I have directed my administration to impose sanctions on Nord Stream 2 AG and its corporate offices," Biden said in a statement.
No.511688
>>511685Because war is an accurate way to raise your polling numbers
No.511690
>>511682So why doesn't he do something about it?
Do I need to fucking mail Maduro a box full of Marx and Lenin books?
No.511691
>>511690Too weak, stuck doing electoralism. Too isolated, stuck focusing on venezuela alone
No.511692
new bread
>>770345
>>770345
>>770345
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