BUDAPEST, Feb 26 (Reuters) - Hungary will support all European Union sanctions against Russia and will not block anything, Prime Minister Viktor Orban said on Saturday, speaking on the Ukrainian-Hungarian border.
"Hungary made clear that we support all the sanctions, so we will block nothing, so what the prime ministers of the European Union are able to agree, we accept it and we support it," he told reporters in English.
"This is the time to be united, it's a war," he said, adding that peace efforts were the most important.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/hungary-wont-block-any-sanctions-against-russia-pm-orban-says-2022-02-26/>>525929It doesn't hurt them long term as a China-EME bloc coming to rival them is an inevitability and China and India don't have the consumer base till mid century for that to happen.
Its catastrophic for Russia short to medium term, extremely bad for eastern Europe short term and bad for Germoney and Italy.
US and Canada derive the biggest benefit and in the midterm NATO is going to benefit massively, with a tighter Atlantic system and Balts and Swedes joining up.
>Hear from the Union faction: Growing resentment among members of parliament over the federal government's veto on #SWIFTban . If Ampel sticks to this attitude, a special parliamentary group meeting will be considered tonight and a separate motion in the Bundestag tomorrow.@world @WELTAMSONNTAG #PutinsWarhttps://twitter.com/robinalexander_/status/1497581367022039042?s=20&t=f_f08TNE6F1rFU3M-3ZCGQ-reported for@world about Chancellor and political Berlin
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>>525949The swift shit has been used to threaten russia, china and friends for a long time. Pretty sure they already have something prepared, they already have their own systems.
This being said Russia owes money to western nations, kicked out of swift means those debts wont be paid
>>525956It's to demark what area they're deployed in.
There's, Z, V, and O/C, and '/', or something like that.
>>525969There was a tweet explaining it a few threads back.
Its from the romanized words for the cardinal directions, and / means center or some shit.
>>525982ty.
Destroyed russian t72 from today I wonder what it got hit with because it seems to be massive structural damage and Ukraine air force is dead, must be American tech.
>>525987Disgusting take. This is not a good situation.
We're against NATO and ukraine government. Not pro russia, pro invasion, pro killing.
>Hearing from CDU politicians that Germany's main opposition party is shifting toward supporting Russian SWIFT ban.
>CDU parliamentary group considers meeting tonight to discuss this & present motion at Sunday's Bundestag debate to raise pressure on Scholz' government.https://twitter.com/vonderburchard/status/1497588486756515843?s=20&t=kfY_JuVqdfPn98eqkg51fg-politico
7 mins ago
>>526004Anti-imperialist bros, i dont know if I support this or not. Seems like an eventual good move.
Thoughts?
"Stand with ukraine"ers need not apply.
Big German news. They are willing to do arms now unlike before
>Germany is in the process of approving delivery of 400 RPGs to Ukraine via a third country, an EU diplomat sayshttps://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1497588560832208898?s=20&t=pinWo2BndO14IsTtoqGN3QREUTERS
>>525987Relax man, you will see things destroyed from the Russian side, too.
Overwhelmingly you see more of the ukrop side.
>>526034Ratio
Russia realy fell off after the soviet union fell, bestie
>Putin’s allies abandon him over Ukraine invasionSeveral of Russia's closest allies and former Soviet satellite states have sharply rebuked President Vladimir Putin over his unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.
Why it matters: As the Western world seeks to make Putin an international pariah, even his closest allies are resisting showing support for his assault on Ukraine.
Driving the news: Czech President Milos Zeman and Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orban, both historically strong pro-Russian voices in the European Union, condemned the affront as "an unprovoked act of aggression," AP reports.
"Russia has committed a crime against peace," Zeman said.
Zeman, who earlier this week insisted that Russia wouldn't attack Ukraine, changed course and has called for harsh sanctions against Russia, including pulling out of the SWIFT financial system.
Orban, who has pursued a diplomatic and economic strategy with Putin called "Eastern Opening," condemned "Russia's military action."
“Hungary’s position is clear: we stand by Ukraine, we stand by Ukraine’s territorial integrity and sovereignty,” said Hungary's Foreign Minister Peter Szijijarto, per AP.
What's happening: Kazakhstan, one of Russia's closest allies, denied a request for its troops to join the attack on Ukraine, per NBC News.
The Czech Republic closed Russian consulates in the country and stopped issuing visas to Russians except for humanitarian cases.
The president of Bulgaria, which was Russia's closest ally during the Cold War, said the invasion was "absolutely inadmissible."
The ruling coalition leaders in Romania called Russia "the architect of the worst security crisis since World War II."
Moldovan President Maia Sandu said Russia’s attacks were launched "in violation of international norms," and the international community "unanimously condemns these military actions."
And Germany and Italy, which have strong economic ties to Russia, are both poised to support a European Union measure to cut Russia from the international SWIFT financial system.
Between the lines: China, which has deepened economic and military ties with Russia in recent years, has straddled the fence between supporting Russia's "legitimate security concerns" and calling for Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity to be respected.
China abstained from a UN resolution on Friday criticizing Russia's attack, a departure from its usual practice of vetoing Western-led measures.
https://www.axios.com/putin-allies-abandon-russia-ukraine-invasion-2833f0b9-425d-4169-b159-2d2bdd159368.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_content=world-russiaukraine >>526074complete brainworm
russia is just as much of a bourgeoi state
>>526079This uyghur living in the 1800s lmao
What are you gonna usa as an argument next, sparta?
>>526093its made up of states
russia is still bourgeoi
>>526087All bourgeois states are exactly the same.
I am very smart.
>Cut Russia off from SWIFT. Now.What is SWIFT? It's the banking NUCLEAR option that world leaders REFUSE to cut Russia off from. WHY?
DO IT NOW.
Do we have your attention
@POTUS
?
https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews/status/1497589917588852739?s=20&t=AanyJPL36wmgWH1RyZ6RfwAnonymous twitter account
>>526097the fact they are weaker than the US and nato doesnt change they are an bourgeoi, capitalist state
>>526098all bourgeoi are opposed to working class interests
>>526105I'm still here bro, dn worry
I am communist and not nationalist or conservative
Doge Bles, May every capitalist shart in their pants
>>526113because then you can say shit like
>DURR I HAVE CONVICTIONSI sympathized with the Russian reasoning for taking Crimea, but this full-scale invasion shit is absolutely retarded.
>>52612280% of Ukrainian bullshit turned out to be wrong so Id be very very careful with it.
Then again we should refrain from thinking theres nothing in the way of Russian forces
>>526112>>526116there is literally no reason for a communist to support a bourgeoi imperialist power
>>526120te nato will be weakened while russia becomes stronger. all that changes is a switch from nato bourgeoi hegemony to russian bourgeoi hegemony crushing the workers
>>526123>I sympathized with the Russian reasoning for taking CrimeaWhy, I don't know what happened
Is the situation with ukriane not the same
>>526128Russia doesn't have the capability to enforce its system around the world for at least a couple of decades
Russia will never be the next america, no matter how much they want to
>>526124how are they doing it is my question
shitposting through bombings? or tanks
>>526137Why tho?
Nuclear power it based
>>526130apparently i have to since you prefer eating putins ass for some reason
>>526131Im opposed to bourgeoi rule as a whole. if anyting communists and anarchists in russia and ukraine should be supported in their struggle against their capitalist systems
>>526140who cares? being a lesser bourgeoi petter doesnt change being a bourgeoi power
>>526146Israel kicked Palestinians ass in war last time around.
People still rally around the Palestinians
>>526144>lesser bourgeoisie power>who caresPeople who actually want to implement socialism and have correctly identified the US as the main roadblock
Russian bourgeoisie attacking western bourgeoisie damages itself, even if they dont realize it
>Please DO NOT send BTC/ETH/USDT to that address in the tweet from the Ukraine account without verification. There have been *a lot* of hacks alongside this invasion, this could easily be a hack.
>This info environment is as hostile as it gets, exercise extreme vigilance.Founder of Ethereum
https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/1497591266191761408?s=20&t=AYAXOmot0Qst4COzr3IaKQholy fuck lol
>>526151economically sure, russia will take a hit
geopolitically their power increses if they are able to put the ukraine back under their control
the US is the main road block since its the major imperialist power. supporting russia in strengthening their geopolitical role will, as I pointed out before, only strenghten then in their bourgeoi rule over the eastern european workers.
>>526127Don't play this game, the media was wrong about invasion until it wasn't. I even saw your flag, could've been you, denying this was as serious as it was. I was also in denial of Russia doing this absolutely stupid shit. They've had conflicts before, especially Georgia that lasted like a week or so but even that was highly localized, this was all out invasion. So at this point take your own beliefs with a grain of salt because I know I was humbled. If the Media says Ukraine will win, they will win, not today, not tomorrow, many months from now, maybe years when Russia deals with total economic implosion. That's not to say it would be a good victory, rather instead a pyrrhic victory because the west can no longer take care of itself and so everyone's fucked in the end.
>>526157fuck off with that ukrop shit.
>>526151This is my personal take, yet I decided to give 0 fucks about the fuckers ITT that live comfy in the west.
Official Ukraine account is asking people to send crypto
Founder of Ethereum is warning people to not do it
https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1497594592438497282?s=20&t=1r2JPo-B-xbwleXqmsZjZA>>526176you do realize we are talking about the ukraine situation right now, right?
stop deflecting faggot. make a point or stfu.
>>526165This
>>526161 sounds much like king skitzo.
The Russians have made breathtaking strategic miscalculations in the course of this ideal.
To say nothing of them taking too long to and telegraphing their war preparations, giving Ukraine time to establish defensive plans and ruining the element of surprise which is a prerequisite for the kind of mechanized, fast moving "lightening war" they launched.
This invasion should have been postponed until the summer, which is historically always the best time to wage war. It is now solidly above freezing in temperature throughout Ukraine, meaning that the snow and ice is thawing and creating mud. While modern tanks and other armored vehicles can usually traverse mud, the supply trucks that fuel and rearm them cannot. There are numerous reports of overextended Russian units, armored detachments running out of fuel and being picked off by anti-tank countermeasures, and general disarray.
The mechanized assault therefore has ground to a halt. According to some reports, Ukraine is even gaining the upper hand despite supposed Russian superiority in the metrics of its military stats.
When the nazis invaded the Soviet Union it was in June for the above reasons. However they made the simple miscalculation that a blitzkrieg involving mechanized rapid advances, which was so devastatingly effective in continental Europe, could easily lose momentum and spread thin and suffer supply problems traversing a vast open area . Sure enough German armored divisions got bogged down and fell prey to Soviet deep battle strategy in which the approach was not just to attack and penetrate the enemy front line, but attack along the entire depth of the battlefield including their supply lines and forward bases. Cut off from resupply , the assault ground to a halt.
A somewhat similar situation is unfolding in Ukraine now even with the UKR capital city being within close reach of the Russian positions based in Belarus.
>>526185*enjors
He even gives a thumbs-up LMAOO
>>526146The Russians had enormous losses to take Kiev, see those fires? It's the Russians burning the corpses of their own so they don't have to admit to their casualties. Back home the will silence the families as well, interview with one of them afterwards. Also the Ukranians have activated the NATO Avengers protocols and a dogged resistance is killing more ruski bugmen by the hour, supplied with glorious western magic bullets, billions of.
Ultimately, it's a matter of time before Putin begs for diplomacy, and that's when you know that the west has won. If at any point the Russian campaign of extermination turns to diplomacy, the NATO avengers insurgency has won against the eastern hordes. In fact, we declare victory right now.
Fuck you Putin!
*Thunderous applause* >>526186The thing is that Chechens BTFO the Russians in urban territory, mainly relying on RPGs against Russian tanks and vehicles. What is happening now might be something different, where the mainstay of conventional militaries since WWII, i.e. heavily armored lumbering vehicles, are more vulnerable than they've ever been. The US is just as fucked as Russia is in this scenario. Imagine if China supplied DPRK with a bunch of their ATGM systems and US/ROK went in with armored columns, it'd be a bloodbath.
The future will probably lean towards more mobile and lightly armored vehicles, because a single ATGM can take out a Humvee or T-80 with a single missile, so might as well go cheap.
>>526184>According to some reports>Ukarinian intellol
>When the nazis invaded the Soviet Union Why do people think the "mud" will stop Russians? Fucking they know more of this landscape than anyone, and their weapons are precesily designed for this.
Retard analysis.
>>526186Yeah it seems to be forward groups that aren't advancing with air cover, Ukraine seemingly has had a shit ton of Javelins and NLAW funneled too them.
It is gonna be a massive problem when Armor has to move into urban areas and means Russia is gonna have to start shelling heavily.
>>526182The point has already been made multiple times and you reject it because your anglo brain can't think beyond the category of "bourgeoise state" and think all of them are exactly the same at any point in time and conflict between them means nothing because it's "all the same".
Well retard, turns out its not. A weakened NATO is significant. The real David and Goliath here is Russia vs NATO. Reminder David was a monarchich dictator.
>>526216>>526215Ukraine can get blown to bits by Russians that's ok. If Germany approves swift sanctions putler feeling pain
Germany signaling they are willing to allow arms now shows a shift away from more neutral Russia stance
>>526184invading in the summer might make more sense in military terms but winter is when energy prices/reserves are most vulnerable
more than anything this invasion seems to be very opportunistic: this is the high point for Russia in relative terms for a long time.
Europe needs Russian energy reserves to heat homes during winter which is why Germany and Italy have been relatively reserved
>>526213>angloach halt die fresse
a weakened nato would be significant if there was a revolutionary or proletarian power to take over where the nato breaks - but there aint. building it would mean to fight russia taking power in the ukraine, not supporting them in their war
>>526154You can respect an enemy who at least has guts rather than being a sniveling coward
After all, most of this board has been simping for an anticommunist for this entire week
>>526231Very very few
This board’s emphasis is on /pol/ rather than /lefty/
There is no such thing as a “communist” chan
>>526226Yup, which is why it was good when the US took over Afghanistan to "detalibanize" the country. You realize that "denazification" is just propaganda right? Similar to US propaganda about the mid east. There's a modicum of truth in all propaganda and that's what makes it effective.
Get real uygha and grow up.
>>526184Also rest assured that the Ukrainian military leadership have studied how WW2 went down in their country and have taken those lessons into account. Especially since, like the ultimately victorious Soviets, they have to fight a defensive war.
The Soviets essentially fought a war of "offense through defense" allowing a better armed and aggressive attacking force to overextend itself and get surrounded . Anti-tank guns are then mounted throughout the entire depth of the defenses, so that enemy armor is is then susceptible to attack from any direction.
Of course, the size and strength of the Ukrainian armed forces pales in comparison toe the USSR, and during ww2 their REINFORCEMENTS came from Russia, rather than their AGGRESSORS. But they have ample lessons as a country which has already been subject to the largest mechanized invasion in history
>>526219Based Sabocat
You got guts mate, the drooling retards on this board shell the fuck out of your posts and you still roll with the punches
Fuck the people here, you are a communist, they are aestheticians, when Russia experiences a communist revolution most of the people here will side with United Russia
>>526219Your idealistic vision of reality is nice, and moral, and good, but ultimately detached from reality.
Start from reality, bourgeoise state are rivaling. NATO vs Russia. NATO abandoned its puppet Ukraine, although its still sending weapons. Russia is overrunning the country.
What is the best course of action for the proletariat? Be a bleeding heart if you want, what is the least bloody outcome.
Russia will continue its invasion until Ukraine yields. NATO will continue sending weapons, and sanctioning Russia.
So either the Ukraine government yields, the Ukrainian people/army coups, NATO invades, or some combination of these.
Which option is the best one?
Who cares about bourgeois states???? The proletariat has no land. Why support this pointless holdout and ensuing death???
>>526232>After all, most of this board has been simping for an anticommunist for this entire week>most Have you still not after all these days of autistic cveching not realised that perhaps everyone else without an edgy position simply isn't spending all day shit-posting in the happening thread?
Seriously spend less time online anon.
>>526237the azov battalion is integrated into the ukrainian military and commited heinous warcrimes
if ukraines fascist government won't deal with them then who will?
>>526246Funny how you fags always say
>No this uhhhh this isn’t really the culture of this boardWhenever called out as PMC suburbanite contrarian chauvinists yet this thread is the most active on the entire board and when I posted someone here claiming “socialism” is when academics enact their will on the majority of workers most of the thread agreed with him
Just admit it the board here sucks and gets worse every year
Fuck, only good thing about this thread is reading about the war outside of Reddit’s propaganda
>>526253Imagine thinking that Ghost of Kyiv is actually real
Are burgers waking up or something? This thread took a nosedive in autism score suddenly
>>526272Maybe I’m just not a retarded contrarian chauvinist?
Maybe I’m an actual communist rather than some aesthetics obsessed faggot?
>>526254You will always be an anglo
You will never be a communist
You will never have sex
You will never meet Putin
>>526283In what way?
“Academics ruling people” is what people on leftypol claim to desire
I want to liberate mankind and the working class
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202202/1253228.shtml>US’ real strategic color of selfishness, hypocrisy revealed in Ukraine crisis: Global Times editorial>Since dramatic changes took place in Ukraine, the US, which had repeatedly promised to protect Kiev at critical moments and continued to "add fuel to the fire" of the situation, has once again come into the spotlight. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in a video speech complained that Western countries have abandoned Ukraine and left it to defend itself alone. Some Western netizens even asked: Where has the US been which provoked the war and said it "stands with Ukraine?"
>However, has the US really disappeared? On the contrary, it is quite busy gaining more "strategic interests" from the flames of war in Ukraine. The latest remarks by the US on the Ukraine situation released by the White House have underlined two points: First, turning Russia into "a pariah on the international stage" through sanctions and other measures; second, NATO has been "more united and more determined than ever" and this is "good news."
>As for Ukraine, which Washington uses as a pawn, in addition to reiterating that the US wouldn't send troops there, Washington only simply said it "will support the Ukrainian people as they defend their country," and "will provide humanitarian relief to ease their suffering." Washington has once again displayed its selfishness and hypocrisy to the world. People have seen that after the US pushed Ukraine into the fire, it stood aside, pretending to care about the country and saying "I support you, keep fighting!"
>It is fair to say the evolution of the situation in Ukraine until today is a geopolitical tragedy. From the very beginning, it's a bitter result of the US' strategic selfishness and shortsightedness. As early as 1998 when the US Senate approved NATO's eastward expansion plan, the late senior US diplomat George Kennan had foreseen today's tragedy. He said then, "This expansion would make the Founding Fathers of this country turn over in their graves."
>However, the arrogant American elites always think they can profit from crises. For years, the US has incited conflicts, manipulated the situations from offshore and reaped benefits. It is accustomed to be the one who adds the fuel to the fire without paying any cost. What it wants is to realize its instant interests. The US shows no consideration for the suffering of the locals pushed into the forefront. When there is a real crisis, the so-called commitments it initially made will only become empty diplomatic rhetoric. Those politicians don't care about the suffering of local people at all, but attempt to attract attention under the guise of "humanitarianism."
>This reminds people of when it abandoned the former Afghan regime last year, the US also said on multiple occasions it would provide "humanitarian" assistance to Afghanistan. But shockingly, the reality is that the so-called US "humanitarian" assistance hasn't been provided to the Afghan people, but the US carved up the $7 billion in frozen funds that Afghanistan's central bank had deposited in New York. As the culprit of the Afghan issue, after satisfying its own strategic interests, the US only left the locals "an avalanche of hunger and poverty," leading to the severe malnutrition of millions of children in Afghanistan.
>The US often talks about humanity, justice and morality, but what it really does is calculating interests. Washington's strategic selfishness and hypocrisy have been laid bare again and again in international political practices. Reports indicate that at least 37 million people have been displaced in and from Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, the Philippines, Libya and Syria as a direct result of the wars fought by the US since September 11, 2001. There is even a saying that wherever the US "intervenes," conflicts, chaos and terrorism will appear.
>A country is called a major power not because of how strong its ability to form cliques or to realize its own self-interests is. What matters is its responsibility and ability to safeguard international peace. If a country only cares about its own interests, fuels the flames everywhere and constantly exports chaos to others, no matter how powerful it is, it is inevitable its credibility will go bankrupt and its hegemony will come to an end.
>For countries and regions that still have fantasies or act as pawns of the US, the Ukraine crisis is a good reminder: A "partner" who announces "good news" when you are in difficulties is untrustworthy. >>526268ye
can shoot beyond line of sight and the point of impact is on the roof of the target ie. the weakest spot of an armoured vehicle
its however extremely expensive compared to a simpler ATGM
>>526276Alright Nuclear War then I want to know how you feel about Posadas's idea of Nuclear War destroying the base of Capitalism then. You say you are a communist fly the Posadas Flag but do you actually believe the ideology or are you a memester redditor that came here to be a liberal faggot.
For me its this will go into WW3 over a fucking puppet, Nuclear Annihilation will occur and from the ashes of the old world we can create a new world.
>>526290If capitalism is an occult machination, then it will take an equally strong machination to be installed on society. Where in Ian Wright did you get lost and think Capital will simply become something else just because????
Are you really that same anon?
>>526278t. Madeline Albright
>>526291What point are you even trying to make here? Things are permanently shitty so we should just accept that and pick one kabal of murderers to shill for? The entire point of communism is to transform society in a better direction.
>>526315You can leave at any point go back to whatever liberal hole you crawled out of and cry. "I am smarter than thou because they don't hold my beliefs" is basically what you are and you are no better than that pebblethrow comic where you sneer at actual working class people.
Getting back to the topic at hand before emotional Karen has a break down.
Since there is so much FOW on the internet and information is basically a propaganda machine. What is the best way to get through the slog that is dis-information campaign? I know listening out for official sources but you know how those can be.
>>526326I'll enlighten you the famous quote of german communist and founding member of the KPD was "The main enemy is in your own country soldiers turn your guns around become revolutionary soldiers"
And when the bolsheviks seized power in russia they actually made peace with germany
>>526328Don't talk about anglos as you are one
Now that's actually offensive nonsense
your other shit is simply meaningless
just stay with that, would you kindly?
>>526324what do you expect
>>526329>You can leave at any point You really want this board to be nothing but Hazfags, huh?
>Liberal hole you came fromYou people really despise Lenin, don’t you?
>I’m smarter than you because…I’m not an aesthetics obsessed national chauvinists simping for anticommunists because my life was fucking boring before the war began
>Other retarded zoomer faggotryYea all you people really have is falling back on your adolescent chinlet culture, huh?
Didn’t evolve very far after crawling out of /pol/ I see
>>526321I'm not asking you to do any of that you retard.
I'm asking you to shut the fuck up so we dont have to listen to your whining every 30 threads.
What on earth are you expecting to achieve with this childish outburst?
>>526222An incompetent government that does incompetent things and allow these things to happen.
More videos
Chechen taking out a Ukrainian flag, atking of the Melitopol city.
>>526219Seethe. The accent of that guy is Ukrainian, you are being falseflagged hard.
>>526341Where did I say anything different?
>>526344Post pics of the most recent anti-NATO action you participated in. Note: posting doesn't count.
>>526345I don’t give a fuck about what you want or what you think, clearly you must want my attention if you’re tossing (you)s my way
If you want a braindead circlejerk where other idiotic zoomer faggots guzzle based anticommunist cum you’re more than welcome to post on GenZedong where absolutely no one will stand in the way of you simping for Russia
>Oh no he’s getting in the way of me being an edgy retard, he’s ruining based imageboard kultire :(Grow up
>>526352the cp of ukraine got banned after euromaidan
there are a bunch of anarchists orgs like dev dia
>>526360Who do you think I am?
I just don't think you should talk big.
and who is impressed by your meaningless paroles? It's just boring, an annoyance.
>>526372He asked for pictures
let's not go into that, I noticed it, whatever
>>526371Now anons, let's do a funny and include that word in every post.
support
>>526373Me and my comrades are chilling and enjoying Ukraine being liberated from their NATO-installed puppet government while lib family and friends are in "OMG THIS IS THE WORST WAR EVER" mode being high on anti-Russia propaganda.
Good times, overall. I love seeing libs being clueless and their cognitive mapping failing them.
>>526381Is that Giuliani?
He’s dressed like a mobster
>>789865>Syrian gusano with Syrian gusano flag.Typical.
>>526373Me and my direct family support Russia. Many friends see Russa as "imperialist" (but they will suck the balls out of NATO, due to 'le based best culture/military stuff, pretty retard). comrades of the party support Russian/Mixed feelings.
>>526411>slav musicthis is worse than Disco Elysium
>>526417i said they are dying. i meant after the war
>>526396For Russia it's completely acceptable if you have a neutral government, they only have a problem if you are pro-NATO. Nobody expects Ukranians to start liking or start pretending to like Russia after this shit. Just don't cuck for NATO, ffs.
Also, this "only pro-putin or pro-NATO gov. is possible in Ukraine" is exactly the false dichotomy NATO has been pushing for decades. You've got NATO brain. Congratulations, you retard.
>>526430Show Russia using civilians as hostages to evade missile strikes.
Opinion discarded until you prove that.
>>526434>Show me America using civilians to avoid missile strikesLiterally the same argument
<Wtf no Russian civilians are dying when Russia is invading another country!?The actual mental power of Putintards
>>526433>PutinistsNobody's a fucking "Putinist" here. Recognizing the primary contradiction in the struggle as imperialism vs irredentism doesn't mean we support fucking Putin. It means that the natural progression of things is yielding favorable situations by virtue of the crumbling of imperial influence.
You fucking GPT-3 bot.
>>526324their states aren't combattants, so its kinda pointless. But doing anti-war protests and the likes would be good.
the only comrades which have to do proper revolutionary defeatism are the russian ones, considering how one sided this conflict is.
Picking a side in this war is so fucking dumb. Like for every shitty thing Putin has done there's also things like this.
https://sputniknews.com/20141001/Lavrov-More-Than-400-Bodies-Found-Buried-in-Ukraines-Donetsk-193508690.htmlI HATE LIBERALS.
>>526371or what about a filter from "I support" to "I have been brainwashed by", or "I am signaling towards".
Or just ban all people spamming positions without nuance
>>526450It's genuinely amusing how suggestible you are.
You are not on the left in a meaningful sense either
>>526385support this
but remember to also filter all identityfags just the same
>>526449>their states aren't combattantswhat? lol, literally Ukraine became a proxy front of the west to attack Russia.
lol armchairism is cancer to these people.
>>5264631. ask neutral question
2. ask a second loaded question that offers your own manipulative answer to your first question
Agent Smith, you need better material.
>>526458>You are not on the left in a meaningful sense eitherYou mean because I’m not simping for this anticommunist power to be edgy, to “oppose” America in the most meaningless sense, or because I make the gaggle of idiots in this /pol/ offshoot seethe? Or just all three?
Yeah I’m sure this irrelevant fringe corner of internet “leftism” largely bound by edginess determines what it means to be a “socialist”
And apparently a big part is simping for a man that spat on Lenin’s name on Monday while denigrating the Bolshevik Revolution 😂
>>526477Yea figures the mental midgets here have nothing left but to accuse anyone that isn’t some contemptible vulgar faggot here “CIA”
I literally made that meme so it’s fucking funny to have it used on me when I don’t simp for a porky 😂
If he was right about nothing else, Leninhat was right about the chauvinist retards here
>>526462Retard
>Venezuela will always be with Putin and with the Russian peopleThe Cuban one is posted in the last two threads
>>526499Unlike you, I don’t simp for any anticommunist, whether they’re an anglo or a slav
I bet in a year you spineless faggots will also be claiming you weren’t simping for United Russia just like you claim you didn’t simp for the Kazakh government
>>526505Putin is actually bolstering Ukrainian nationalism. This is how most nationalisms start, with a massive invasion by the purported enemy.
The neo-Nazi problem will only grow as regular citizens see that it's nationalists and fascists fighting the hardest. Putin has done what Bush and the neocons did, which is to play up a threat and then create that threat through their own actions. GG.
>>526489Cuba: full support for Russia.
China: distancing/critical support for Russia.
Russian communists: Putin should have attacked Ukraine SOONER.
leftyanglo:
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO >>526522>You’re simping for the US State Department!So this is how you Putinfags cope with the fact that you worship an anticommunist who thinks Lenin was the worst thing to happen to Russia?
Tell me a single thing I’ve said that’s a lie, chauvinist degenerate
>>526509>>526509My post:25th
Yours:24th
Problem?
>>526410shit has definitely slowed down quite a bit for the russians as far as I can tell. The east isn't budging and the only places where the Russians overran the ukrainians at first (Northern and southern fronts) are starting to slowly stabilize.
My guess is this will be a slogfest in which Russia will slowly fight through ukraine until either ukraine or russia folds and they start negotiations.
My HOI4-Brained autism is telling me that taking Mariupol would probably do a lot to destabilize the eastern front.
Taking Kiev would obviously also help the russians quite a bit, but I dont see them doing that too quickly.
>>526527>>sweden>>canada>>francecolonialists
>>turkeyaspiring imperialist KARA BOGA
>afghradical islamists
>finland??
>>526543Also funny as fuck to say
>I care about slavs being killed to sate your bloodlustWhile justifying a military invasion and seething at people like me that aren’t treating war like a spectacle
Putinfags are literally in an alternate reality at this point 😂
>>526530Heres one:
https://twitter.com/Sturgeons_Law. Indian nationalist. Goes after China for switching financing of Russian projects to Yuan, but does not mention that India (actual, literal Russian ally) switched financing to Rupees.
>>526543Based
>>526545Synthetic left anglo
>>526548Damn, so now literacy is a crime on NuLeftypol, huh?
>Wah you bloodthirsty anticommunist that upholds Lenin’s position and won’t treat a war like an entertaining showPutinfags irl
>>526514God, Spetsnaz hasn't been even deployed. Hounds of Ares.
Ukraine is fuck, reaaaaally fucked.
>>526552>Simping for brave Ukrainian resistanceAnd yet I said nothing about Ukrainian resistance
Do Putinfags need to invent arguments to dismantle when faced with the truth that they are not communists?
It’s fine, just realize you are not a communist, but an anti-US national chauvinist
This board welcomes people like that anyway
Just don’t pretend to be a communist while venerating anticommunists, defecating on Lenin, and supporting imperialist proxy wars you view as entertainment
Awww am I being to edgy now for widdle leftypol? Does it hurt to be unmasked?
>>526556I won't have a problem with that
Still a positive force to the anglo chauvinism you constantly espouse
>>526521>The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideasMarx.
>If Russia invades and changes the ruling class it will only make the people more naziRetarded poster detected.
>>526564how is a change from pro-western to pro-russian bourgeoi rule substantial?
also, the weakened pro-western bourgeoi would obviously support and streghten nationalist tendencies in an effort to regain their power.
>>5265702022 chechens literally have stockholm syndrome
theyre worse cucks than the saudi
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