>>530405what is cuba saying
i don't speak cubanese
>>530392For Ukraine to lay down arms, the US to stop fucking around in Ukraine politics immediately.
After being completely left to their own devices, they are still following America's agenda. The Ukrainian government needs to be skinned alive. Right along all the NATO bureaucrats and every single US politician. Their crimes against humanity can never be payed back.
>>530418I don't know what that achieves
>After being completely left to their own devices, they are still following America's agenda.This is curious tho, Why are they digging their heels in at this point
Arrogance? Ego? Is there some secret deal with NATO to cause as much tragedy porn possible?
I don't think the last on is possible, The Ukrainian ambassador gave an interview how not to trust the us anymore
I guess this is just a pride thing at this point, which is foolish
>>530453what? really?
are there nazis in russian army that hate ukranians and are ready to do war crimes regard less of they surrender or fight?
wtf
>>530455This guy comics make me want Russia to bomb Ukraine into oblivion.
Obnoxiously cringe and smug.
>>530490> who wree genociding russians in the eastern ukraine.OH MY FUCKING GOD
WTF IS EASTERN EUROPE
EVERYBODY IS NAZIS AND EVERYBODY HATES EACH OTHER??
I WISH THE USSR NEVER COLLAPSED, I'M SO SICK OF ALL THIS
>>530486Stop trolling. Ukranian nazi swines in the government had 8 fucking years to sort out this situation. But all they did was further nazification of the country. They killed thousands and displaced tens of thousands of people.
There was no other solution. Rabid dog should be put down.
>>530499Did you guise hear that Somalia got attacked by the US or something yesterday
Also what's the main reason for all this attention
Is it NATO drumming it up or because of racism?
>>530532scary lol
but why should I care for one pack of nazis over the other
>>530560What the fuck is a white? What is this retarded americanised nomenclature?
Ukranians are ukranians. That's it. Nothing more nothing less.
Directly from hungary about swift
READ!
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=486387686287863&id=100047499063575Péter Szijjártó (Hungarian: [ˈpeːtɛr ˈsijjaːrtoː]; born 30 October 1978) is a Hungarian politician who has been Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade since 2014
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A9ter_Szijj%C3%A1rt%C3%B3>>530593Orban had the cornellian dilemena of choosing between European gibs and Russian gas.
Turns out you cannot buy gas without money anyway…
>>530558why does this matter?
it's just one country right? what is swift? are there like only few members
>>530488Literally yes. The Ukrainian government was killing them.
>>788668Dying a pointless death seems like the life mission of liberals. At least Nazis die for their corporate overlords knowingly. I hope you die according to your principles, meaning, I hope you die a pointless death for CNN reporters to use you as tragedy porn, showing your torn body for a salviating american to "stand with you".
>>530453to save lives? imagine how many lives could have been saved if germany just capitulated to the soviets in 1944 once it was clear they couldn't possibly win.
The Ukraine ain't gonna win, the question is just how many innocent lives the government once to throw into the russian meatgrinder before it accepts its fate.
>>530648So will this or will this not bring about multi polarity??? Stop pussyfooting.
Reminder Europe depends on Russian gas.
>>530718Hasn't happened yet
No
>>530748shut the fuck up mark
i am not a leftist and russia is not the soviet union anymore
i would simp hard for the ussr, not for russia
>>530750Indeed.
If this whole avanture with ukraine plays well, the nato and the eu will stop existing in their current form. The whole usa-centered world system may start crumbling.
>>530718Not yet but in a couple of days
This has freaked the burgers out enough for them to suggest to the ukrainians making peace by declaring neutrality ie. no NATO ascension
Maybe Ukraine will just keep pushing for the swift lockout they seem to be feeling a bit betrayed by the USA as of now
https://eventsinukraine.substack.com/p/the-west-gave-us-weapons-becauseEither way something good comes of it, an end to the fighting or the US dollar losing its status as the global reserve currency
>>530748Standing with Russia is the incorrect take. We stand against NATO-backed imperialism. Russia AND the Ukrainian people are victims of it. The Ukrainian nazi puppet state must lay down arms and go.
Get your head out of your ass for fucks sake.
>>530767The guerilla may not happen. Russians are not as retarded as americans to bomb the fucking cities. So far no civilians were harmed directly by russians.
They even avoid the city fights for this reason. Not for this reason alone, though.
>>530806Zelensky, meanwhile, was gloating that he was winning diplomatically, and that in negotiations with Russia he would annex Donbass
Is it delusion or what. What the fuck
>>530821what is the russian army doing exactly? just getting their shit in and standing around?
are they talking to Ukrainian officials
>>530844is r/genzedong stanning putin?
can't believe i just typed this sentence, i want to vomit
>>530830Western media has been calling Putin deranged for saying the Ukranian regime are drug addicts
Zelensky is an entertainment personality he's probably high on cocaine
>>530844Shit take.
Check out the statements made by the UKRANIAN COMMUNISTS and the PSL instead.
>>530839You see, you are factually wrong making this comparison.
I can assure you that if there was a single strike of a russian missile at the city the whole fucking tribe of western propaganda sources would be whining about.
>>530868People here (leftypol) were way more critical of Russia and Putin 2 months ago
Now it's far more sympathetic and supportive. I'd think tide there changed too
>>530839My dear grillpilled schizo. Since the second world war, if you assumed the US was on the wrong side of a conflict you'd be right in basically ALL the cases. I ask you, why is this time different?
Note:
Standing with Russia is the incorrect take. We stand against NATO-backed imperialism. Russia AND the Ukrainian people are victims of it. The Ukrainian nazi puppet state must lay down arms and go.
Get your head out of your ass for fucks sake!
>>530775The Kiev regime has a a lot of blackmail material on the Washington regime
Burisma for example
>>530884Dumb. Ukraine has no power, they are a puppet
This is USA leading the way on sanctions
>>530877Well, you know. Sometimes it just so happens that that the world around you changes and thus you have to change your view on the world.
I know, it may sound egregious but that's just how the cookie crumbles, pal.
>>530903russia will suffer in the short term but cutting out a big economic partner like russia out of the dollar system, will accerlerate dedolarization
it will get rid of putin while at the same time fuck over the us in the long term
>>530913idk, not to get information out? to stop communication
my country shutsdown the internet if a whatsapp rumor spread a little
>>530920guys we're forgetting the most important question
does this mean GPU prices will go down
>>530886>nazis = anti-semitismTerribly american take.
Israel is basically a nazi state.
>>530964I hate anti-imperialists so much, It's unreal
I have been saying this for so long, I don't trust any anti-imperialist that doesn't call themselves a communist also
>>530969They tasted defeat while cheering on Palestine too against israel during their conflict.
Does that mean they shouldn't have supported them?
Do any of you guys remember WASBAPPIN that guy who used to be on twitter and was super fucking obsessed with overthrowing Assad and wanted to nuke Russia over the Tulsa Massacre?
https://substack.com/profile/35348090-wasbappinI am proud to tell you the guy is writing articles on Substack and it is the most deranged shit imaginable.
>>530983Not from my experience, I have outright seen anti-socialist imperialists on twitter
That's what makes my blood boil
>>531005????
Reddit shit all over Israel for the last year all the time
>>531019Ensuring Ukraine does not enter NATO and purging it's military and state institutions of nazis will be a rudimentary first step towards it.
cope
>>530964>>531031bitches don't know what a prerequiste is and using it as the greatest gotcha.
stay in school kids.
>>531030Redditors attack Israel non stop on any article about them
And post stuff supporting Palestine a lot especially during conflicts.
That poster made no sense
>>530690>Seems like all of them.Turning Ukraine into a new Libya is the kind of thing NATO would do.
>But NATO will likely intervene before Ukranians drag Zelenskyy through the streets.However, coming true for non-Nazi allies is not.
BROS!!!
>The federal government must commit itself as soon as possible to excluding Russia from the payment service provider #SWIFT together with its western partners !
>The federal government of Germany must commit itself, together with its partners, to excluding Russia from #SWIFT immediately.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Socialists_in_the_SPD
>Young Socialists in the SPDhttps://twitter.com/jusos/status/1497543748384804867?s=20&t=MdZ3ffRHGihSHsx-P8PchgGermany socialist don't support Russia
>>531060German socialists (socdems) killed Rosa, they dont even pretend to be socialist after their own words anymore.
Pls just write socdems or SPD or Rosa-Killers or whatever
>>531025Did I say I'm not an anti-imperialist?
I'm talking how anti-imperialism has been turned into a joke on this board and online
>>531071it's over for russia
NATO wins by doing nothing
>>531049I do and others should continue to do so
Commmunists are the eteranl boogeyman of capital, We should be proud of being a terror
>>531104Luxemburg was wrong and had she listened to Lenin she wouldn't have been killed.
At least the Russian Revolution was victorious and didn't end after a week.
>>531098I don't trust russian either. But i've been browsing telegram channels both russian and ukranian for the past 2 days and i have not seen the destruction of homes of civilians. Besides the ones in DNR and LNR. They are being bombed a plenty.
Both cases of the damage of ukranian civilian districts were caused by ukranian army themselves.
>>531104>personally set up the conditions for the USSR to fail in 1991how
like what specifically
>>531130That I agree
But who is easier to defeat you would say for the russian people
It would be NATO I imagine seeing how they are losers in Venezuela and couldn't install that dude
>>531128I don't believe anybody anything anymore especially when the source is a random Ukrainian officer. This is just QAnon shit for libs.
There is an insane amount of disinfo going on, it feels like there are no sources on the ground, just whatever the Ukrainian government tells you. I watched a video of a CNN reporter claiming the soldiers in the background were Russian, only to refer to them 3 minutes later as Ukrainian.
>>531104There is nothing vague about self-determination. It is the right to secede and form one's own nation. This is extremely well established. Lenin's counterargument is quite clear on it, while Rosa's is muddled.
Read here:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/self-det/index.htm#ch09We happen to have a reading group that will be discussing this text today, at 6pm UTC. You are invited to join and off a counter-argument from a Luxemburgist perspective, if you are so inclined.https://matrix.to/#/!mjlMGagFTDhvgxMWhY:matrix.org/ >Prime Minister @MorawieckiM in #Berlin 🇩🇪:
>Today there is no time for the selfishness that we see also here in #Germany.
>This is why I came to @OlafScholz to shake Germany's conscience so that they decide on firm and crushing sanctions that would influence Putin's decisions.https://twitter.com/PLPermRepEU/status/1497551601585823749?s=20&t=L2K3Nm8O6gxopiERhw5zfQ-Permanent Representation of Poland to the EU
Stałe Przedstawicielstwo RP przy UE
>I thank my friend Mr. President of 🇹🇷 @RTErdogan and the people of 🇹🇷 for their strong support. The ban on the passage of 🇷🇺 warships to the Black Sea and significant military and humanitarian support for 🇺🇦 are extremely important today. The people of 🇺🇦 will never forget that!-zelensky president of Ukraine
15 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1497564078897774598?s=20&t=L2K3Nm8O6gxopiERhw5zfQ >>531204Chauvinistic Ukranians:
>Nooooo! Only men should die!!!!! Women have superior right to life!!Feminist Russians:
>woosh woosh boom boom bitches >>531209🧠😎🧠 Read it again. Or, look up any more stuff by her on marxists.org.
Or read Right of Nations to Self Determination by Lenin with us in Continental Floppa
>>531223Erdogan was actually pretty chill for years until like 2016 where he was into some neo-ottomon phase
man seems like he chilled out the past year though
>>531231>>531242wish we could upload .svg
I had this problem dozens of times
Georgia and Moldova are neighboring countries of our Union, they are our partners and friends. To their presidents, I reaffirmed this morning our determination to support them against any attempt at tension and destabilization. United in the crisis, we will be.
-macron president of France
4 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1497570453237342208?s=20&t=GZYVTzexK3hYvwwpJdV13A>VIENNA – Ahead of a meeting with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and Lithuanian President Gitanas Nauseda in Berlin Saturday afternoon, Poland’s prime minister has urged Germany to put aside “selfishness” and “egoism” and offer substantive support to the people of Ukraine.
>“Nothing is going to stop Putin if we are not decisive enough,” Mateusz Morawiecki said in Berlin. “This is a very historic moment… we have no time to lose.”
>Morawiecki said Germany’s aid thus far — of military helmets, not weapons – is a far cry from what’s necessary to help Ukraine defend itself.
>“What kind of help was delivered to Ukraine? Five thousand helmets? This must be a joke,” Morawiecki said.
>He added that the sanctions on Russia need to be “crushing,” calling for the exclusion of Russia from the SWIFT global financial system and for measures targeting Putin himself, oligarchs who back him, and Russian business more broadly.-AP
27 MINUTES AGO
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-united-nations-general-assembly-kyiv-boris-johnson-business-2db2e7aeab196d941e7b66492feca14b >>531280IMO the whole universe except burgers and their EU cucks should be banned from SWIFT.
SWIFT should be limited to "international community", not these apparent extraterrestrials that make the majority of earth's population.
>>531217<At once two People's Deputies of Ukraine Yulia Paliychuk and David Arakhamiya confirmed the friendly fire on Obolon.The townspeople, who were given weapons, in an atmosphere of confusion, mistook the truck and the anti-aircraft installation of the Ukrainian Armed Forces for enemy equipment and opened fire on it. The Kievans shot the crew of the truck, and the anti-aircraft gun managed to leave, crushing a civilian car in a panic.
Also looting has started in Kharkiv, and reports of looting in other cities as well.
>Dear 🇩🇪Federal Government, how much longer do you want to stand by and watch as we Ukrainians are 🇷🇺murdered by the air force and rockets and cities are bombed in front of your eyes? We urgently need 🇩🇪ANTI-AIRCRAFT missiles to protect people. That would be real solidarity-Ambassador of Ukraine to Germany
https://twitter.com/MelnykAndrij/status/1497499312300826629?s=20&t=9y2bseVdl-ddR8Mvb7jsXQ4 hours ago
>>531280banning russia from swift is retarded
A whole nation shouldn't get punished for one man actions
>Spoke with 🇮🇳 Prime Minister @narendramodi. Informed of the course of 🇺🇦 repulsing 🇷🇺 aggression. More than 100,000 invaders are on our land. They insidiously fire on residential buildings. Urged 🇮🇳 to give us political support in🇺🇳 Security Council. Stop the aggressor together!-zelensky president of Ukraine
1 hour ago
https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1497555947023224836?s=20&t=UmHcSM9afCMomXTmiRU6yA >>531295Russia economic footprint is big enough to hurt everybody though
>>531296This
>>531307This.
t. glowing NATO shill who doesn't support liberating Ukrainians from their lives
GERMANY STATEMENT
>After a #SWIFT exclusion of Russia, energy supplies from #Russia may still be paid for in the future. Our high dependency on gas supplies from Russia is therefore not a viable argument against the sanctions that are now necessary. (FM) #Ukrainechairman of@CDUof Germany. Group leader @CDUCSUBT Friedrich Merz (FM) and his team (tm) tweet here
https://twitter.com/_FriedrichMerz/status/1497574324240371714?s=20&t=TABsscbsFfh5JPUl5FE5Dghttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Merz
>Friedrich Merz (born 11 November 1955) is a German lawyer and politician, serving as Leader of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) since 31 January 2022 and as leader of the Union parliamentary group and Leader of the Opposition of the Bundestag since 15 February 2022.[1]I have some insights I think I can patch together with the available data.
Putin is probably surrounded by a host of yes-men even in this critical arena of military. Tis probably explains the slow adaptation of troops on the ground, confused conscripts surrendering, not knowing they're in Ukraine, etc… The paratrooper drops without support. Negative feedback is part of our evolution, like putting your hand on a hot stove. Obviously, something/someone is ignoring a lot of this negative feedback on the first 2 days of the invasion; and given the immense stakes involved, that ignorance is willfully happening despite instincts to change in the chain of command. That is a telling sign, I believe.
Ideologically speaking, Putin is a Tsarist-Bolshevik-Nationalist. He borrows from all three of these ideologies much like a swiss army knife. Each tool serves a purpose and appeals to a major demographic that he needs to keep supporters on board. He never leans too heavily into either too much. Nor does he lean out of either too much. But this invitation is like the perfect coalescence of these three elements, combined with an inflated ego of near unlimited power plus yes-men, this invasion looks more like an invitation for Putin. Easy pickings.
When looking at maps of territory held by Russians. The big red blob they're in doesn't represent troop positions. Russia is only going to park troops in towns or cities. So the space between them is empty. They're going for deep-strike operations it seems, and their BTGs are not entirely suited to it without a large paramilitary (read: cannon-fodder) support element to protect the flanks and make up for the low ration of materiel to men.
Zelenskyy going for negotiation was implied from the beginning. He does not want to be under attack. He's willing to negotiate because that means less/no fighting is happening. Diplomacy is about sending out as many feelers as you can to gauge the temperature of the other party. Of course, he'd prefer to bargain from a position of strength, but there is strength in the fact that there are relative levels of annoyance that Kyiv can manufacture for Russia in perpetuity. That's no exaggeration. What we're witnessing may be the largest nation-building and identity-forming event in the last 50 years. A puppet regime may be installed, but the idea of a free Ukraine with its own destiny free of a Russian leash cannot be wiped from Ukrainians' memory. The West learned from the Baltics during the Cold War: recognition of states' original borders despite however long it takes for them to become free, works.
This leads me into the long game for Putin. Still hard to see what he realistically aims to get without bogging Russia in a massive regime-support quagmire a la Afghanistan. This isn't Syria where there's a leader in a city who just needs control over the rest of the territory. Nor is this like the Georgian conflicts in 2008 where the separatist enclaves had existed for 6-7 years before and had been established in generally internationally-approved ways. Demilitarisation and denazification obviously aim towards kangaroo courts and a range of punitive measures against what Putin believes are elements in Ukraine's society that are anti-Kremlin. But everyone knows that. If I had to guess, I believe he's looking to completely annex the territories of his perceived "Novorossiya" territories (the South-East region of Ukraine), and then install a puppet to rule over rump Russia-approved Ukraine in the North and West.
Lastly, I think the implications of this war for the world are huge. Nothing happens for a decade, and then a decade happens in a week, Lenin said. We're seeing a total paradigm shift away from the post-Cold War order for Russia. How that'll take shape will be determined in the next 2 to 6 months.
Other predictions: Kyiv needs to last at least a week to keep Ukraine in a good bargaining position and to make costs high for Putin. By "Kyiv lasting" I mean that Spetznaz groups haven't made it into the centre and dragging Zelenskyy and other Verkhovna Rada deputies out by the hair to stand trial for "Nazism" or whatever dumb shit Putin has pre-arranged. I think there's a very good chance for this to play out, because of how resilient Ukraine's military has been so far. The next 2 days are vital because there'll be no snow. But from Monday to Friday there should be snow, which should make movements slower and defending easier. Ukraine needs to keep a western corridor open from Kyiv to L'viv to facilitate transport of materiel. Ukraine also needs to drastically up its pressure on the west to keep increasing sanction pressure.
The propaganda is getting out of hand
They paint a mobile trash incinitator as a mobile crematorium.
https://nypost.com/2022/02/24/russia-has-mobile-crematoriums-that-evaporate-the-dead-report/>>531350Copy pasted from reddit, kys.
Also
>taking every ukranian MoD statement as fact and making insane assumption for russian plans >>531393based marx
truly ahead of his time
>>531353>mobile crematoriumsBurgers love being lied to, and the more sensational the lie, the easier they believe it.
It’s kind of incredible how the bourgeois have psychological conditioned them this way.
>>531360wow
no way, that's why i had a lib feeling while reading that putin analysis
they always create such a mythos about him
>>531420But of course, the only ideology is a communist ideology. And the only propaganda is a communist propaganda.
That's what they are always saying
>>531425Would deng be happy?
Deng would probably try to still trade with Russia while trying to show the appearance of holding sanctions
>>531433me
i'll keep you posted specifically anon
Squad of Ukrainian soldiers that was said to have perished under an extreme Russian bombardment of the Snake island in the Black Sea and which were supposed to be post-humosly awarded medals…
ARE ACTUALLY ALIVE AND SURRENDERED TO THE RUSSIANS.
Ukrainian soldiers were transported to Sevastopol by the towboat "Sahtyor" and after certain procedures, they will be allowed to return to their families.
Source:
https://t.me/rt_russian/95045>>789316
Search for it in the leftypol_archive.
An anon translated it, here's the text. I don't have the link on me:
Just copy a segment of the sentence and search.
An open letter of appeal by the participants of the rally "Peace to the people of Ukraine!" in the city of Cherkasy to the President of Ukraine V. O. Zelensky and the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine on ending the fratricidal war in eastern Ukraine
We, the participants of the rally "Peace to the People of Ukraine!", held on the day of the 104th anniversary of the creation of the Soviet Army and Navy on the Hill of Glory, appeal to the President of Ukraine V. O. Zelensky and the Verkhovna Rada [parliament] of Ukraine with a demand to take immediate measures to end the fratricidal war in eastern Ukraine.
Further delay in resolving this fateful issue will lead to even greater human losses and to the irreversible loss of a significant portion of Ukrainian territory.
Unfortunately, it seems that the top leadership of the state does not need this territory and the people in it.
Apparently, such a scenario was envisaged back in 2014, when the “Bloody Pastor” Turchynov [Oleksandr Turchynov, Ukrainian politician] sent troops to eastern Ukraine, inventing the so-called anti-terrorist operation, and together with the savage Nazi volunteers launched a fratricidal war on Ukrainian citizens who had the opposite opinion from those who, with the help of the United States and some countries of the European Union, seized power by force in Ukraine.
Probably for the same reason, President Zelensky did not want to sit at the negotiating table with the leadership of the self-proclaimed DPR and LPR and implement the Minsk agreements, even though they were approved by the UN Security Council. This was, as recent events have shown, a great mistake. Still, Volodymyr Oleksandrovych [president of Ukraine] and the People's Deputies of Ukraine should have implemented the Minsk agreements, which had no alternative, because they made it possible to save people and territory.
We have not forgotten that Zelensky promised the people of Ukraine to become president of peace. But he did nothing to ensure peace in Ukraine, thus becoming a demon of war.
After all, peace in eastern Ukraine depended on Zelensky, not only as President but also as Supreme Commander-in-Chief. Only he could give the command to shell the territory and the people behind the demarcation line. If he gave the command to fire, it means he did not realize that it could lead to a hot phase of the war. Or maybe he did, since such a large number of military units and military equipment was deployed to eastern Ukraine, as well as weapons and ammunition imported from the U.S., Great Britain and other NATO countries.
Is it not to repeat the aggression of 2014-2015 under the pressure of Ukrainian Nazis and to draw Russia into this military conflict at the behest of the U.S. and NATO countries?
And did you, the demon of war Zelensky, and you, the grantoids [“грантоїди”, “hrantoidi”, Ukrainian slur for organizations or individuals who exist on foreign grants] and the 5th column of the West in the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, think about the consequences for the people of Ukraine and its territory?
The U.S. and most NATO member states are dreaming of a military conflict between Ukraine and Russia, and of a perpetual quarrel between the Orthodox East Slavic peoples [“східнослов’янські православні народи”], while they themselves, like jackals, tear apart Ukraine in accordance with the EU’s restitution laws.
Isn't that why at the Munich conference on February 20 this year, Zelensky was blessed with applause for the escalation of the conflict in eastern Ukraine and the involvement of Russia in this conflict and the refusal to implement the Minsk agreements?
We saw how it ended on February 21 in the decisions of the Russian leadership on the recognition of the self-proclaimed DPR and LPR. Maybe this will cool the hotheads and force President Zelensky and the People’s Deputies of Ukraine to find a way to a peaceful settlement of the situation in eastern Ukraine, so that peace may reign in our Ukrainian home, so that people have jobs, decent wages and pensions, affordable prices and tariffs, so that Ukraine regains its power and prosperity, as it was in the Soviet socialist period of our history.
This letter of appeal was adopted unanimously.
City of Cherkasy
February 23, 2022
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