No.548686
I don't want to hate people
No.548688
>>548685Where's the screencap/happening video?
No.548689
>>548687Leftists have been supporting both though
No.548690
Anarchists ending up in the Azov battalion in Ukraine… lol ("Some even joined the Azov battalion and the OUN (Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists)")
https://it.crimethinc.com/2022/02/15/war-and-anarchists-anti-authoritarian-perspectives-in-ukraineNo wonder Lenin called anarchism a bourgeois movement.
No.548691
>>548685excelllent title anon
No.548692
>>548685omg yaaas the asiatic hords of mordoRussia :yump:
No.548693
>>814258
how will you greet our new alien comrades?
No.548694
>>548690i dislike anarchists as much as the next guy but continually rehashing this stuff is just petty and there are better things to have an axe to grind against
No.548697
>>548689Vau.sh and his fans are not leftists if they are who you are referring to.
No.548698
liberal try not to celebrate war crimes challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
No.548699
>>548695They didn't have enough time for education unlike us the smart guys
No.548701
>>548696>civil wars should be escalated to the point of exterminating the other sideliberals never cease to surprise me with their degree of warmongering and just callous disregard for people so long they are people on the """bad side"""
No.548703
US military official saying Russia doesn't have enough troops to hold each block of Kyiv so they will level it
No.548704
>>548685Thread song - This one goes out to the logistics pipeline drivers.
Logi is a thankless job.
No.548707
>>548697I was talking about anarchists or Jacobinesque DemSocs, not the authoritarians
No.548709
>>548685Do you guys think Putin has a body double or that the original putin is dead and was replaced with someone else?
Ive analized many pictures of putin and some look quite off
No.548710
>>548700Agent Kochinski isn't an anarchist. WTF are you talking about, fucktard?
No.548713
>>548710i dont like him so he must be le anarkiddy
No.548715
>>548714fucking hell, this is so nightmarish i can't even begin to process it
No.548716
>>548714that's fucked man
No.548718
>>548700If Makhno came back from the grave he would kill him
No.548720
>>548712Spoiler that shit WTF anon..
No.548721
>>548712how quick he got from using chomsky every moment to shiting on him for being right.
No.548723
>>548714not europe so noone cares
No.548725
>>548714Food security is predicted to be even worse in the next years. Why did they sanction Afghanistan, did sanctions eve led to the overthrow?
No.548726
>>548714Fuckin burgers froze their assets only as an example. That's what gets me really, how those Washington "people" can be total psycho if it means keeping the rest of the world in line. Who cares if there's a famine.
No.548727
What's with the sudden influx of ukrop shills? They really think they're winning this?
No.548728
>>548719Russia is starting to look like the bad guy tbh
No.548729
>>814307
/pol/s wet dream.
No.548731
>>548728not the heckin collateral damagerino
No.548732
>>814314
>uck youre bussy
Why not mine? :(
No.548735
>>814321
Are you a ML?
No.548736
>>548700>>548712Why do you keep posting this burger eceleb, i don't need to know such retardation exists in the world. The politicians are retarded enough already.
No.548738
>>548709It's mostly just plastic surgery. Man loves his cheek fillers.
No.548739
>>814327
Ewww femalefucker
No.548740
>>548737damn he really let himself go, more streamers should be like charlie and take better care of their health
No.548741
>>814327>>548739/Leftypol/ obly fucks shay approved bussy
No.548743
>>548737theres an even earlier pic of him where he was a twink lmao does anyone have it?
No.548744
https://nitter.net/RealPepeEscobar/status/1499093737141587971#mApparently Operation Z started one day ahead of the invasion of Donbass by the ukrainian army.
No.548745
the amount of retards i see arguing that america could "win" a nuclear war with russia is insane
No.548746
>>548742>implying he'd be the fuhrer and not just a puppetPoglavnik Zelensky
No.548747
>>548745starting with a good chunk of the nutjobs in the american army and government, sadly
No.548750
Russia seems to be planning on occupation
>Kherson has fallen to the Russian military, becoming the first major Ukrainian city to come under Russian control since the invasion last week. The mayor, Igor Kolykhaev, told me he met today with the Russian commander who plans to set up a military administration.https://nitter.net/mschwirtz/status/1499114918661996550#m No.548752
>>548737he looked like pewdiepie when he had his beard in the first pic
No.548753
>>548731Bangladesh isn't in NATO though. But I doubt they have the stomach for this war that is coming. Probably take the hit and say please sirs bobs vagene do the needful thank you may I have another.
No.548754
>>548737he looked like haz
No.548758
The Russian towered over you as explosions rang out in the distance. You looked up at him, fearful of what he might do. After your ears were hit by a sonic boom, you were knocked out. Your platoon, men you spent years alongside fighting in donbass, were nowhere to be seen.
"W-where am i…?" You ask, looking up at him with tears in your eyes.
"You're in the courtyard of a captured building in Kherson", he replied - his accent somewhat hard to understand. "We've mostly secured the city - though there are still some insurgents here and there."
"Who are you?"
"My name is Ivan Yakunovych", he replies. "We're liberating Ukraine from the fascists. We're here to help."
You attempt to sit up, barely managing to do so by propping your body against a pillar. You're tied up with zipties. All of your patches, showing your battalion and rank, are missing. You realize that, in fact, your entire coat is missing. Your belt is nowhere to be seen, and large holes are present in your pants, though they still cover most of your legs. Scabs cover your arms and legs, mostly where the rips are. Your light frame doesn't handle damage very well, which is why you chose to be an artillery man. You wanted to stay a good distance away from any frontlines, and thus far have done a good job avoiding danger.
Suddenly, the Russian soldier steps towards you, getting uncomfortably close.
"W-what are you going to do with me, I-Ivan…?"
He looks down at you with a grin. "I am going to help denazify you."
Before you can process what he means, suddenly he crouches and grabs you by the neck, putting pressure on your trachea, though being careful not to press your carotid arteries. He looks directly at you, his face next to yours. His blue eyes are clearly visible, even though the sun is setting. He takes his hand off of your neck and… he kisses you. You are unable to act, unable to formulate any words - a russian soldier is kissing you.
He holds his lips against yours for several moments before finally breaking the kiss, his eyes opening again as he smiles.
"This war is awful, ukrainian. I've had to shoot several of your comrades already. It's a blessing that someone as beautiful as you managed to be saved from our offensive."
Your lips pout and you begin to cry. Through your tears, you shout; "H-HOW DARE YOU TOUCH ME, YOU FILTHY MONGOLOID SUBHUMAN! I AM A UKRAINIAN, A EUROPEAN! WE'VE ALREADY SUFFERED ENOUGH FROM YOUR ILK DURING THE HOLODOMOR!"
He frowns. "We are not a soviet union anymore. We are not communists, and we don't want to annex ukraine. We are simply going to help the people of novorossiya and malorossiya resist the genocides that were planned by your corrupt government."
You continue to cry. You've been fighting for azov for so long. You knew what you were doing was right! You were going to kick the filthy russians out of your country and wipe the donbass scum off the face of the earth!
But… some lingering doubt welled up within you. You knew that the children and women you were bombing had nothing to do with some fictional russian invader. Deep down, you knew… and you wished, all these years, that you would have an excuse to stop. An excuse to give up, to make peace with the russians. You thought for a moment - maybe they aren't very different to us?
You looked up at Ivan. He has clearly been watching you contemplate your actions for several minutes, watching you cry.
"Do you feel better?" he asks. You suddenly realize what is happening. You now, after all this time, have a chance to engage in diplomacy. And as you stare at his bulging muscles, his chiseled features, and his straight black hair, you think to yourself; "i can't imagine a hotter Russian i can apologize to…"
TO BE CONTINUED…
No.548759
>>548696P A R T
A N D
P A R S E L
No.548761
China's state owned Europe division of CGTN running NATO-tier anti-Russian, pro-Zelensky Ukrainian propagandahttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj0TppyxzQWm9JbMg3CP8RgThis is what capitalist-roader revisionism gets you. Stable alliance that Russia-China with market mechanisms and profit maximization dominating every aspect of every political move all the time.
No.548764
>>548751I like his perspective/analysis but he does sometimes claim things that are basically unverifiable because no one else says them
No.548765
>>548724They still have, Ukraine never fully recovered and sex slavery is still a major problem. I do support Russian army genociding sexpats however.
No.548767
All these drones and tanks and shit look interesting
No.548768
>>548763Have fun freezing to death and not having any power.
No.548769
>>548749Holy fuck he glows so much I'm blind now
No.548770
>>548763Good job in helping globohomo /pol/
No.548773
>>548749he's either tremendously stupid or he glows so much he's beyond radioactive
not sure which, maybe both?
No.548776
>>548768Winter is already over, we are doing fine. There's enough time to prepare for the next one, thanks to our great Asian and American allies
>>548770I'm a social democrat, not some dumb polyp.
No.548779
>>548758Ukrainians look like THAT?!?!?!?
Why does Putler want to kill this?
No.548780
>>548714Similar shit was also happening in some countries after socialism collapsed, but that was "progress" and "birth pangs of democracy".
No.548782
>>814372
Only one nuke?
YAWN!
Not even a heavy cobalt MIRV Multiple impact Reentry vehicle warhead?
No TSAR bomb? Yikes sweety.
TWO MORE WEEKS RIGHT?
No.548785
>>548772whoa whoa whoa anon, we don't call the west civilised and our enemies uncivilized, we are democracies and our enemies authocracies and dictatorships now.
No.548786
>>548755Sending a little message that you better not date Chad in NATO. You are my girl, you belong to me!
No.548787
>>548776>I'm a social democratquelle surprise
Look you can be a democratic socialist without being a giant NATO sucking faggot. You don't even have to apologise for Russia but stop crowing about the incoming humanitarian disaster
No.548788
>>548779That's not how you treat a POW.
No.548790
>>814386>Zog mastersWhat are you on about?
>>548784>>548783>>548787Yes. Soon EVERYONE will be in NATO and Russias economy will be in the gutter.
It didn't have to be this way, all we wanted to do was make money and snob Americans
No.548792
>>548790Actual /pol/yps post here, too. Apparently /pol/ is a hot mess right now.
No.548793
>>548789I don't like the implications.
No.548794
>>548779Anti-AZOV propaganda, Moskals want to make us confused about our sexuality.
No.548795
>>548792it seems like it's pretty pro-russia rather consistently?
No.548796
>>548791grifting takes a toll on you, and in this case gives to kissinger.
No.548797
>>548775He stopped identifying as an anarchist a while ago. Agent Kochinski is as much of an Anarchist as much as a NazBol is a socialist.
No.548798
>>548790>ESL Did you mean “snub”
No.548799
>>548790Russia asked to join NATO in the late 90s/early 2000s tho but were snubbed… really makes you think
No.548800
>>548797You mean he's an ideology shopper, i.e. a shitlib.
No.548801
>>548791Shit, that's him?
No.548804
>>548800>ideology shopperYeah, pretty much.
No.548805
>>548795It seems everyone is against everyone, digging up all sort of historical butthurt. Russian invasion really shook up their soda.
No.548806
>>548779Ukrainian propaganda is desperate
No.548807
>>548790ZOG: Zelensky Occupied Government
No.548809
>>548798There isn't a single european country that speaks english m8 :^)
No.548812
>>548811>wed rather wipe out the planet and the human race with it rather than give up our hegemonySuccdem moment
No.548813
>>548812No, that's a kulak moment.
No.548814
>>548811if 5000 nuclear missiles were launched the earth would be destroyed
No.548816
>>548750they obviously have to occupy at first, at least until surrender / frontline stabilize
No.548817
what is /r/neoliberal up to?
No.548818
>>548804I fucking hate those people, they're pretty much the opposite of what anarchism is supposed to inspire. Individual thought about the abolition of power structures becomes mindless following of confused streamers arguing for the most powerful military organization in the world. And the only reason they're not challenged as they should is because anarchists hate social media and don't go there, which in turns gives the impression to ignorant people that anarchists somehow support state sanctioned military operations. Fuck
No.548819
>>548811well if any amount of nukes get launched we might as well just go full posadas, best if everyone is dead instead having to live in post-nuclear hellscape
No.548820
This war will drag on for ages.
No.548821
>>548815What will happen when these people meet up with Azov or Right Sector
No.548822
Has anyone seen Zelensky? Are we sure he's still in Kiev?
No.548823
>>548821probably will be called a queer russian saboteur and taped to a lamppost
No.548824
>>548817never could figure out if that sub was satire or not
>>548811To be somewhat fair to that poster, MAD relies on constant readiness and constant willingness to respond to a nuclear strike, if we start saying 'if we get nuked, do nothing', then that's the road to actual nuclear exchange
No.548825
>>548818I pity you anarchobros. I know about the antinato shit some of you fags do.
No.548826
>>814443
How are they not winning? It's been like a week and they have made huge territorial gains
No.548827
>>548821Both are very fringe things, Right Sector is even more than Azov (which is stationed at Mariupol right now). So probably they wouldn't meet
No.548828
>>548822One of the pro-Russia aggregators was saying the Russians hit the government bunker with a missile. He could be dead lol
No.548829
>>548818no matter how much marxists may try to make fun of anarchists, they actually do have quite a bit of good theory; but reading theory is hard and watching Agent Kochinski and shitposting is easy, so i guess this is just par for course
No.548831
Since nobody replied last time and it's a pretty huge fucking deal:
China's state-owned Europe-division of CGTN is running NATO-tier anti-Russian, pro-Zelensky's Ukraine propagandahttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj0TppyxzQWm9JbMg3CP8Rg No.548832
>>548826winning is ultimately about achieving your political aims though
i don't think they're loosing, but they still have a long way to go to "win"
No.548834
>>548811There are people in powerful positions who have exactly the same mindset as this delusional poster
No.548836
>>548830lol well he should know everything he described already happened in Russia in the 90's
No.548837
>>548830So basically Russian 90s?
No.548838
>>548831multipolarity my ass LOL
No.548839
>>548831nothingburger in both content and reality
No.548840
I've decided to read some "Internationalist" anarchist/communist rhetoric on this war and I'm found them to be unconvincing.
Here is one example:
https://chuangcn.org/2022/03/letter-from-china-ukraine/They all seem to have a conclusion: We Must Stand With Ukraine. The reasoning to get there is hypocritical and incoherent. This war is war is a war effectively a proxy between great powers, that victimizes everone: but we must continue it, support it and arm the resistance so that is is excruciatingly long and bloody. Yes, Ukraine was invented by the Soviet union, yes it's fighting to preserve and create nationalism, it's resistance is not based on any favorable socialist principles but only raw nationalism, and yes it is indeed an ethnic conflict and creating ethnic conflict, it is indeed sparked by fascist violence, that the tendency in Ukraine was towards more fascism, more nationalism and internal war and repression, but we must send them more arms.
The only anti-war position is the pro-war position. We must support, bizarrely, the armament of Ukraine, and simply hope that does not lead into wider war. We CANNOT be neutral. We CANNOT want Ukraine to sue for peace, or the war should end even if nationalists in Ukraine lose politically. The only thing we can support is war until victory, and piling in of arms.
I just want to point out, too, that statements like "we oppose NATO troops because it could lead to WWIII, but we want to send in more arms" is, actually, NATO and the US state department's position. In fact, the position staked out here is NATO's position to a tee. Makes you think, eh? Also I like how they erased the role of Communist struggle in Vietnam and equated it into a nationalist conflict. Excellent work from the Internationalists.
No.548841
>>548811It's a shit state of affairs. But truth be told, you're going to find this in every political movement, marxist or anarchist.
But truth be told, i think so-called "Lib-Socs" like Agent Kochinski only care about doing these takes for the sake of starting drama, for the sake of stirring shit, and for the sake of gaining views. He only wants to debate for the sake of debate and "being right" and he'll spite MLs "wokescolds" and other Anarchists for the sake of doing it.
I'm at least glad that I'm seeing other Anarchists online call out this shit-tier behaviour, and I'm doubly relieved that at least the ones who don't post online are actually doing shit.
No.548842
>>548832Once they occupy Ukraine's major cities they will achieve a settlement and their political aims. Whether in the broader context this war will have been good for Russia, I find doubtful, but that's a separate issue.
>>548831It seems pretty obvious to me that China has not been happy with this action and would much prefer Russia would have just chilled and pursued economic development with them.
No.548843
>>548830>all of the population should die because i don't like what the government didreal nice
No.548846
>>814468
probably live in donbass same as last eight years
No.548848
>>548841>you're going to find this in every political movementliberals might be the most bloodthirsty political position, even more so than conservatives or even fringe movements like gonzaloism
No.548849
>>814468
He is a citizen of the DPR now, he will probably continue living his life there in peace.
No.548850
>>548831China has no interest in what CGTN shows internationally. It is a completely underfunded and disused organ. International CGTN programs do not provide any insight into China's official stance. It is put together by complete incompetents the state has largely forgotten about.
No.548851
>>548841You really hit the nail on the head. But why take up pro nato narratives when that is the most common takes? Anna and Dasha are anti-Ukraine and got shit on it on their subreddit but at least that draws people in
No.548852
>>548849He's a Russian citizen too. Could move to Moscow when it's all over, but I'll assume he'll feel a connection to the Donbass and live in Donetsk
No.548853
air raid siren going off in kiev
>>548845can they still? I guess so b/c they definitely wouldn't all be there if they thought they would die
No.548854
>>548850Someone did say that South China Morning Post was just rightist news funded by Alibaba. I'm guessing you're right
No.548855
>>548850I believe this, and they should be more discipline on this matter but then again managing 1 billion people is a bureaucratic nightmare isn't it?
No.548856
>>548847>make russia part of the west.Oh so instead of the 90s where everything was being privatized in russia but under a "russian" flag, now they just straight up say they want to colonize Russia and exploit it's resources.
No.548857
>>548833Everyone give your energy to a Russian missile going a little off target
No.548858
>>548850That seems like a kinda naive argument
>>548854That's a completely different paper, based in Hong Kong and run by butthurt Falun Gongites
No.548860
>>548856Yeah pretty clear when he says we can't let what happened in the 90's happen again he means when they escaped from it
No.548861
>>548831Isn't China Daily the one that espouses the CPC's views? Is this really a big deal?
No.548862
>>548854SCMP and CGTN (international) are different. Actually CGTN, in China, is the state broadcaster and an authoritative voice on the official line.
However, english-language versions of it are not even remotely the same.
SCMP is just a really bad newspaper that is nominally owned by Jack Ma. The CCP doesn't control it.
>>548858>That seems like a kinda naive argumentThe opposite is ture.
No.548864
>>548861No, that is People's Daily.
China daily is just some kind of lame broadcaster that inexplicably rents out full page advertisements in foreign papers which nobody reads.
No.548865
>>548863there's something so zen about how they are all coping in opposite ways
No.548866
>>548821Same attitude as Germans had towards their foreign volunteers.
No.548867
>>548829But the thing is in base anarchy you need to reject leaders and masters. Then with Marxism and communism you try to make it trough capitalism. Now we have people mentally subjugated by twitch streamers defending the biggest and most powerful masters ever who call themselves anarchists. It's fucking insane
No.548869
>>548863Funny how they can only consider Ukraine losing the war after establishing that Russians are losers in the big picture
No.548870
>>548862>However, english-language versions of it are not even remotely the same.RT is like this too, regarding vaccines. For the EU and west they push hardcore antivax line, while domestically they go hard against anti-vaxxers and promote vaccines heavily
No.548871
>>548864China Dailey is who Chen writes for though so its based
No.548873
>>548807wtf I want to fight ZOG now.
No.548876
>>548791still has psycho eyes
No.548878
>>548862>The opposite is ture.What evidence do you have that China doesn't care what its state media outlets promote abroad?
No.548880
>>548868Any chances to redpill them on expropriations?
No.548882
>>548872why are the indian tv channels so based?
No.548885
>>548882Western ones are literally arms of intelligence agencies.
No.548888
>>814522
noone says this
No.548891
>>548887It's bait, retard.
No.548893
Someone post this in that neoliberal thread
>The West putting Russia under siege will almost necessitate a return to socialist methods in the economy—state planning to regulate distribution of commodities, socialising assets to reduce impact of sanctions, state control of strategic industries.
I bet theyll shit their parents and fight you lol
No.548894
>>814522
lol we say burgers created ISIS because they literally did. Not because they created the conditions for ISIS (although they did that too)
No.548896
>>814522
>due to *Bandera
fixed
No.548897
>>548893if by socialism they mean nationalizing stuff i think this is correct, no way the government can afford to let a bunch of companies just fail
No.548898
Modern warfare in modern cities looks absolutely like a fucking nightmare.
50 privately owned Google Earth spy satellites are viewing runways and updating the position, numbers and types of aircraft you position outside of target nations and posting them to social media.
1,000,000 traffic cameras are updating the exact time, location, roadway, direction, volume of equipment moving around the country.
Doordash drivers are cell phoning the movements, location, time and direction of equipment and uploading it to TikTok.
Your VDV insertion helos passing over peoples houses, towns and farms flying low as shit to avoid the 500 stingers on Gamgam's kitchen table are being filmed by everyone and posted online showing time, direction, numbers, location.
Google Ring cameras are showing your troops trying to break into Disco Inferno to grab a piece of cover from the drunken potato farming spraying at you from his third story apartment window screeching about SLAVA UKRANYA.
Every time you lose a piece of equipment some potato farmer spray paints a gigantic Z onto it to make it look like everyone was killed and demoralize the next convoy to come through.
Fucking hell. The entire way modern warfare will be fought in the future is being changed instantly.
We will see whole nations adjust and adapt their whole military force after this war.
In the future I predict a heavy reliance massive hacking tools to terminate all internet, terminate all cell phone towers, hell you would need to destroy an entire nations electrical supply with shit like Elon Musks Star Link, but then 500 countries zoomers will be protesting around the world with Madonna demanding that NATO nukes you for peace.
Russia even sentt in the majority of the Wagner PMC group to try and merc Zelensky calmy and swifty, and couldn't get close, they even tried to get some target trackers close to his position and hit it but couldn't get close.
No.548900
>>548851>But why take up pro nato narratives when that is the most common takes?I do think to an extent that it's POSSIBLY TRUE that Putins invasion of the Ukraine is for the sake of increasing his hegemony, and his actions have displaced thousands of people and have only inflicted harm on the Russian people as a whole, but based on the language that is used, it comes off as flowery and "pro-nato" and "pro-US".
It seems that there's honestly no winning, no matter how you argue.
If you talk about how the DPR and LPR have a right to defend themselves against the Azov Battalion, you get called a putinoid.
Talk about how Russia's invasion of Ukraine is likely just an imperialist ploy done to further the hegemony of Russia and line its pockets for its Oligarchs, you get called a NATO shill.
>I'm glad the Russians are at least de-nazifying the Ukraine<PUTINOID>I'm not interested in taking sides with either Ukraine or Putin, we should stand with the Ukranian people<NATO shill >Russia has a right to defend itself against NATO agression <PUTINOIDand on and on and on. On one hand, I welcome the death of NATO and a new age of multipolairty which fucks with US hegemony, but I'm not too thrilled that it comes from an anti-communist Russian government. All I can hope for is the Anarchist insurgents in Ukraine to at least provide help to the Ukranian proleteriat, and for the Russian communists to bring their oligarchs to heel. But even I'm deeply cynical and although I hope for the best, I'm also expecting the worst.
It's a shit state of affairs, lads.
No.548904
>>548894Yes I agree, russians created nazi ISIS and the conditions that led to the rise of far right battalions like Azov and Right sector
No.548905
>>548902yeah, you're correct, i just had a reading comprehension problem
No.548907
>>548904They didn't though. NATO created them to fight Russia. NATO also created ISIS to fight Assad
No.548908
>>814547
They/them radlibs are more likely to support Ukraine than Russia fyi
No.548910
>>814556
>Deflection
He’s right, you know
No.548911
>>814556
>Socialism is actually when you're a nationalist
Nationalism has its place in communism. Read stalin
No.548912
>>548811Picrew user strikes again
No.548914
>>548901"Remember, no Russians"
No.548917
>>548911>Nationalism has its place in communism>He actually read Stalin thinking he'd get something of value from itMLs really are a meme
No.548919
>>548917i think fanon made a pretty good case for nationalism in third-worldism revolution
No.548922
>>548919>implying fanon would actually be pro-russia in this caseMLs have gone schizophrenic
No.548923
>>548922i didn't imply that, just that sometimes nationalism is perfectly compatible with communism
No.548925
There's something so funny about how in every twitter thread of libs crying about atrocity porn, there's at least one arab guy cheering it lmao
No.548926
It must've been a punishment for my past sins being born into this shithole of a country.
Russian large capitalists are completely delusional faggots, they think their nanny State and mr Putin could save their asses from an imminent economic meltdown. Fucking tools should read a book, they're sitting on a timebomb. Currency freefall is making russia literally unlivable, inflation is spiraling out of control fast. I always use Ali Express as a barometer, and past few days send shock waves, with some 2TB hard drives now costing a median wage in my oblast, up from just a quarter before our capitalist elites decided they're big boys now. Everything on Ali is getting more expensive by the hour, now you literally slave away for food in this shithole, because you can wave goodbuy to durable goods if you're not a literal bourg or labor aristocrat.
Was arguing about this at work, the persecution victim complex is unbearable. "We were forced to attack! West was always bullying us! Now we're fighting back!" sorry don't give a fuck about your "geopolitics" and your "russian nation" and its "history" when I'm working my ass off literally for fucking nothing. All this time that ruble tumbled down as we "fought the bully", the wages stayed fucking stagnant. This is a literal joke. Fuck your ambitions russian elite, fuck your eternal persecution complex, and fuck your incessant bitching. I sincerely hope you'll slapped, humiliated, and forced to crawl back to the old bourgeoisie of the Core. If I'm forced to die in your wars for your impotent ambitions - from the very bottom of my heart I hope you will lose them.
It would've been glorious to see you slowly melting in nuclear fires, crawling, curling, spasming on the ground, just like it would've been for an ancient slave to see his Roman masters writhing in agony under the burning ashes of Pompeii.
No.548927
>>548925based arabs just laughing at the west's glaring hypocrisy
No.548928
>>548924I would say the west have definitely got the upper hand over Russia.
No.548929
>>548917>forgets many wars commanded by communist parties started for national liberations and used nationalism, example Vietnam.no wonder non MLs never achieved anything, so they sperg about MLs.
No.548930
>>548921>>548917
>being this mindlessly secretarian ITT. You either contribute something constructive to the convo, or both of you can fuck off.
No.548932
will the kievocalypse begin today?
>>548926Any chance of revolution? Or at least Putin getting kicked out?
No.548934
>>814496
Probably because their writers literally do work with the CIA.
But, in this case, they are making a completely incoherent argument to pour arms into Ukraine. And I mean it's a very explicit call for weapons and foreign mercenaries to flow into the warzone and make it as much of human tragedy as possible, and never properly explains why the ethnic or nationalistic motivations of the people who they support arming don't matter, equating them to their readers Communists because there was a war in Vietnam once. We should literally arm fascists, because they are smol. This can't be taken seriously.
I would recommend reading Utopia for what Chinese leftists are actually saying. They don't put out glossy, highly workshoped English language editions though.
No.548935
>>814522
US overthrew the Ukrainian government and Crimea seceded with a declaration of independence which was democratically legitimized with a referendum. And then Crimea joined the Russian federation. Russia was certainly involved in this process, but most of Crimeans must have been onboard with this because there was no resistance at all, so the referendum looks pretty legit.
When the US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq the locals hated it and resisted furiously. This difference is why Russia taking Crimea was a butter smooth operation and US operation in the middle east was a shit fest.
When the Ukraine happening is over Russia will hold on to the regions with pro-Russian population and make a neutral Ukraine out of the rest of the country, because they must know that occupying a country without the consent of the population isn't realistic. Even if Afghanistan and Ukraine are very different terrain, and an insurgency would be much harder in Ukraine than in Afghanistan
No.548937
>>548933Find one case of this that isn't just a random reddit post that could have been written by anyone
No.548940
>>548936Wasn't that the issue Hitler suffered on his way to Moscow?
No.548941
>>548933Yeah, and MLs are cheering for Putin and making excuses for Russian imperialism. Does that mean I should generalise all MLs knowing that there are those don't?
>joining Azov<so-called lib-socsYes, and Agent Kochinski is a Lib-Soc who represents the entire political ideology.
Fuck off with this secretarian bullshit, both of you.
No.548945
>>548938Holy shit. This level of learning difficulties cannot into internet. This has to be satire.
No.548947
>>548938damn poor fyodor must be spinning in his grave
No.548951
>>548945>>548947Juche Necromancy has reached levels previously heretofore unseen. After this, Kadyrov's friend and other chechens constantly dying over and over again, and that Ukraine has definitely killed over 5 times the population of all Russia, I'm afraid Kim is unstoppable now
No.548952
Agent Kochinski made a video about Caleb Maupin now and Russia
https://youtu.be/1sgM9AlsPfw
>A Look Into Caleb Maupin's Idiotic Propaganda No.548953
>>548943That comment though.
Just straight up advocating for fascism and the genocide of a people
No.548954
>>548921Keep coping with the fact that the ML project, despite controlling almost a third of the entire world, somehow failed so hard that the only revolutionary force of the 21st century turned out to be capitalism
Read Zizek
>>548923God, read marx
>>548929MLs achieved something, and then their project ultimately failed. A competent person would analyze the situation and say "Hmm, I guess that doesn't work". But no, you retards constantly need to find other people to blame. Bad actors, revisionists, et cetera. It's so tiring reading page after page of irrelevant soviet apologia and Russian chauvinism. Nobody fucking cares anymore. You crow about Great man theory when it's convenient to own the libs and then you practice it yourselves all the time. It's so tiring.
>>548935>When the US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq the locals hated it and resisted furiously>implying this is not currently happening in hoholistan as we speakThis will be Russia's new Afghanistan, unfortunately. The occupation will be long and costly. We will likely get nazi ISIS thanks to Putin. Great
No.548955
>>548938>Wrongthink is now a crime in europeMaybe Putin was right, maye Ukraine and NATO are actually nazis.
No.548956
>>548940The issue the Germans suffered on the way to Moscow was Hitler being an incredibly incompetent military general and not just sitting back playing Zelensky giving speeches.
Hitler had lots of yes men who were afraid to tell the mighty fuhrer that he was a stupid retard when it came to military planning and strategy.
He had some of the greatest generals in history under his command, and he would fucking fire them and make decisions himself.
Literally brain dead incompetent when it came to military strategy.
No.548959
>>548948The Huffington Post can have a little nuclear war, as a treat
No.548960
>>548945A lot of people think that russia is still communist, like for real they think the soviet union collapsed but russia is still communist.
No.548961
>>548954>God, read marxGod, put down your dead orthodoxy and read the authors and leaders that developed marxism too
No.548962
>>548956Nice words, I mean tanks getting stuck in mud cause melting snow
No.548963
>>548948nuclear winter to own the libs
No.548965
>>548938is that comment still up? pls tell me she at least deleted it
No.548966
>>548960https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/omtmdczu48/econToplines.pdf24. Which of the following do you think best describes Russia?
Communist . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 42%
Socialist . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13%
Capitalist . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11%
Something else . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 17%
Not sure . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 17%
No.548967
>>548954c'mon, when marx was writing africa hadn't been colonized; the situation clearly changed in a few ways
No.548968
>>548961>leaders that developed marxismOh, so you haven't read marx
No.548969
>>814632
Why do you have this obsession with your 'no fuel' head-canon?
Where does it come from? Is it a fetish thing for u?
No.548971
>>548969They still believe there are 100 gorilion turkish drones flying around blowing u every supply line and somehow the russians are just pushing their vehicles 100 km into the west every day
No.548972
>>548967So read Fanon then. MLs have small brains though, they're only capable of understanding and trusting whatever Stalin wrote in a fit of paranoia
No.548973
Any news on Mariupol?
No.548974
>>548954so what do you propose really moron
what is your alternative to the ML model?
the only thing that seems to be working right now is dengist one
No.548975
>>812565
Is this real
No.548978
>>548900Hey m8,
Take some time offline to look after yourself y'know.
No.548979
So is Russia winning yet
No.548980
>>548973Smoking ruin, Azov hiding amongst the rubble like the surviving germans in the week following Stalingrad
No.548981
>>548972but i did read fanon… and he argues that (at the very least during the 60s, this is arguable today) revolution in the third world is indissociable from nationalism simply due to the fact the colonialists work to destroy the local culture and languages, which thus gives them a powerful revolutionary quality
No.548982
>>814652
<ALL GYPSIES ARE SABOTEURS
No.548983
>Russia is set to introduce a new law that will make it a crime punishable by up to 15 years in prison to spread “fake news” about the Kremlin’s military operation in Ukraine.The proposed legislation, which is supported by Vyacheslav Volodin, the parliamentary speaker, a close ally of President Putin, could be discussed by parliament as early as this week, state television reported.
>“These fakes demoralise society and undermine faith in the army and the security services,” Vasily Piskarev, an MP with Putin’s ruling party, said. He added that Russia’s military was “maintaining peace” in Ukrainehttps://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220302-russia-silences-independent-media-amid-ukraine-conflicthttps://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russia-to-punish-fake-news-about-ukraine-war-with-15-years-jail-grjl8gv55 No.548984
>>548977disgusting image, this is not only vilifying our message of internationalism and breaking capitalist chains but it also seems to be made by a rightoid with it's apparent't seething against gay people
just cause it's been edited with or has some communists doesn't make it any less of an anti-communist image
No.548985
>>548982The romani were treated better in the Warsaw Pact than in the west
No.548986
>>548974Let's be real here, dengism isn't socialism. Maybe Xi will press the socialism button, I don't know, but I doubt it will be any time soon.
You understand that a repeat of the USSR is impossible, why wish to go back to something that just doesn't exist anymore like a fascist
I propose any model that isn't so oppressive
But a socialist project in the 21st century will not look like it did in the 20th century, and this is something MLs struggle to grapple with
>>548977>reading Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Althusser, Amin, Haywood, etc means you've read marxNah
>>548981Yes, he does, and he is right. He's not talking about Russians here.
No.548988
>>548984You’re not wrong, but it’s stupid to be asshurt
No.548989
>>548970Czech republic and Slovakia
No.548990
>>548985Sus. Papers. Now.
No.548993
Kievocide today?
No.548994
>>548986>Yes, he does, and he is right. He's not talking about Russians here.yep. i'm not even sure why i'm arguing, i'm in perfect agreement here
No.548995
>>548990Не захватят меня заживо
No.548996
>>548984>this is not only vilifying our message of internationalismYou want rootless cosmopolitanism. There is a difference between this and internationalism. You do the enemies job for him by describing cosmopolitanism and calling it internationalism.
No.548998
>>548994I think a lot of people need to read about the history of Ukraine. It's not a simple as Ukrainian nazis vs. Russian liberators like leftypol wants to believe. There is a long history of suppression of the Ukrainian language, religion, and culture by Russians that goes back to the Tsars.
>inb4 NATO shill>inb4 BanderiteFuck NATO and fuck Stepan Bandera.
No.549003
>>548984It's not against internationalism, the worker's of the world are united in making fun of the western "left"
No.549005
>>814556>Socialism is actually when you're a nationalistYes. Anti-nationalism is infact what imperialists do and want. Imperialism wishes to destroy the nation so that the proletariat of a nation has nothing to rally under. The nation is an objective reality that one can't just wish away. Nations are not determined by statehood, or the official citizenship of a person.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03.htmImperialist war against Russia and a *western-backed* civil war against the Russian national industrial bourgeoisie puts Russian nation at stake, and therefore endangers a potential rallying point of the Russian proletariat against the bourgeoise. This is not only a question of just putting the working class in power, it is a question of the survival of the Russian nation, which can only survive when its builders, the proletariat, smash the bourgeoisie state and put their own dictatorship in its place, and purge the destroyer of nations, capitalism, to the dustbin of history.
No.549006
>>549001Yes, unfortunately it did occur in the USSR, and not just to Ukrainians but other ethnic minorities. Russian chauvinism was absolutely promoted. And you can read this and argue that Grover Furr disagrees with me, fine, I haven't read him because he truly seems unhinged. But even Parenti himself admitted this at one point in one of his books, I think Blackshirts and Reds.
No.549008
>>549006Russian chauvinism was not promoted in any meaningful way. Making people learn a common language is not chauvinism faggot
No.549009
>>814686
>pepetards just disgusting petitbourg suffering tourists laughing about stuff that doesn't affect them
accurate
No.549012
>>548998>I think a lot of people need to read about the history of Ukraine. It's not a simple as Ukrainian nazis vs. Russian liberators like leftypol wants to believe. There is a long history of suppression of the Ukrainian language, religion, and culture by Russians that goes back to the TsarsNeither banderist vs red army nor oppressed nation vs oppressor nation dichotomies apply here
Ukraine's national identity is contradictory as constructed out of an SSR because the latter is multinational, and its nationalist coup essentially made parts of the country non-Ukrainian by destroying their historical connection to the country and making them Russian
No.549013
why does this autist always say swinging dick, does he think surfing /k/ makes him a soldier lol
No.549014
>>812565
Is this real? Zelensky called for repression?
No.549016
>>549005>Imperialist war against RussiaBut no one has invaded Russia? The country has not been attacked. And if you believed Ukraine has actually attacked Russia, you should read up on how Putin even got into power in the first place. His FSB agents were caught planting bombs in apartment buildings, some of which exploded. Then, this was blamed on Chechen militants to justify a subsequent invasion of Chechnya. It was basically the Russian 9/11, except if they had caught FBI agents planting thermite in the elevators of the twin towers.
>>549007>>549008Ah, I forgot we have to do everything in our power to make sure people understand what a paradise the USSR was, because of course we will eventually go back to it. You know it's okay to analyze what went wrong, right? It's over, it's gone, it's done and it will never exist again. Read Hegel.
>Making people learn a common language is not chauvinism faggotThis is not what I was talking about at all, there was much more than that if you actually read about it…Banning of non-russian orthodox churches, banning of traditional ethnic dances, et cetera. But you won't read about it, because you don't really have an interest. Shame, kak zhal
No.549017
>>549010значит в попу ебать буду, мне не важно
No.549018
>>549016Please actually kill yourself liberal
No.549019
>>549017Как говорится, один раз…
No.549021
>>548954>This will be Russia's new Afghanistan, unfortunately. it won't
>The occupation will be long and costly.They won't occupy Ukraine, stop watching mainstream news or social-media that is being manipulated to replicate the political line of mainstream media, if you can't deal with being propagandized. How could you believe any of this deranged stuff they are putting out: it's great man theory with evil characteristics. States are mostly rational actors that are moved by their interests. If anything the outlier that is acting against their rational interests seem to be Euro countries.
>We will likely get nazi ISIS You mean AZOV battalion ? that's already there thanks to the US.
No.549023
>>549016>But no one has invaded Russia? The country has not been attackedNATO encroachment is attack. Are you paid by Hillary Clinton?
>Ah, I forgot we have to do everything in our power to make sure people understand what a paradise the USSR wasThere is a difference between learning and developing from the past, and parroting false anticommunist propaganda
No.549024
>>814691
terrible
No.549025
>>549016>But no one has invaded RussiaOnce again…we must consider deaptation
You are saying the anti imperialist position here is deapted. It's a theory of conditions that are from the past.
Clearly this applies to the national struggle of Ukraine, which is not against the Tsar or the Soviets but itself and its own ethnic composition
This applies to the West, which is battling not a great nation with a sphere nor another imperialist, but a nation which self abolished a poly national state and now doesn't want to be contained by the exploitation of these divisions
What do we describe this, then? How does the proletariat overcome nationalism and imperialism to unite here?
It's suggesting that ending the recent alignment of Western imperialism and Eastern nationalism is the first step. I'm not sure this is wrong. It's the first layer of the onion to peel back. Are you just arguing there's a Russian chauvinist layer afterwards to peel?
No.549026
>>549016>But no one has invaded Russia?Why do you deny the slow-motion NATO war against Russia over the past several decades? Are you paid by Hillary Clinton? Russia doesn't want NATO tanks/troops/missiles, and more importantly US air missile defences on their border because an effective air missile defensive system enricling them effectively ends MAD and creates a realistic means for the US to perform a crippling first strike attack on Russia enough to destroy Russia's ability to respond. Russia's nukes become potentially useless & the country becomes a hostage to nuclear blackmail. Rather than nuclear war, the end goal of the US seems to be nuclear blackmail & economic/geopolitical dominance to bring about the Balkanization of Russia (unified Russia even in it's crippled post-Soviet state is too strong of an economic power & thus also geopolitical competittor) which in action would likely lead to a deathtoll in the high 8 figure range at a bare minimum & the permanent impoverishment of the region.
This seems to be the reason why the US wants Ukraine. Getting Ukraine might open the door to what would effectively be the largest genocide in history, drawfing anything that happened in WW2. Preventing Ukraine from becoming a NATO member is an outright matter of survival for people of both Ukraine and Russia
No.549027
>>549023>NATO encroachment is attackThere are no NATO soldiers in Ukraine or Russia right now.
>Are you paid by Hillary Clinton?Yes, of course, and it's why I live under the poverty line
>There is a difference between learning and developing from the past, and parroting false anticommunist propagandaAnticommunist propaganda is that just living in the soviet union could get you shot or something. It's like the burger meme, go outside, live in the soviet union, get shot. I hardly think admitting that there was oppression of ethnic minorities during the USSR is an example of anticommunist propaganda.
No.549029
>>549027>There are no NATO soldiers in Ukraine or Russia right nowContainment of Russia by exploiting national divisions seems like a clear pillar of imperialist unipolarity, do you not agree?
No.549030
Where the FUCK are the maoists?
The the protracted thing!!!
No.549032
>>549030We don't believe fighting a protracted peoples' war for zelensky is worth it. We maoists prefer the idea of ukraine surrendering quickly with minimal casualties.
No.549033
>>549026>slow-motion NATO war against RussiaPlease elaborate. Do you mean the NATO invasion of Crimea? Or the planned NATO invasion of Moldova and Transnitria? Oh wait
>the end goal of the US seems to be nuclear blackmail & economic/geopolitical dominance to bring about the Balkanization of RussiaLet's assume you are correct. And you care about this, why? Seems like capitalist infighting to me. Why would a balkanized Russia be bad? China seems much more friendly to socialism right now than Russia.
>>549029What national divisions is NATO exploiting, and how? Can you provide evidence of this? Putin has taken care of the Chechen AND Georgian separatists, and in a very bloody way. They're not going anywhere any time soon.
No.549034
>>548986cool,
do you have any model in your mind? Because if not
then there is no fruitfulness to your opposition, we need ideas, criticism helps, but it is only half the part of the puzzle
how would MLs need to change or grasp their model in the 21st century?
No.549035
>>549027>There are no NATO soldiers in Ukraine or Russia right now.Are you autistic? You clearly know what everyone means by attack and encroachment
>there was oppression of ethnic minorities during the USSRI can't tell if this is idpol bait or if this is serious. Treatment of ethinic minorities was very progressive for the time
>All nationalities of the USSR may choose to be educated in their native languages, and all the major nationalities may receive their entire education through college in the language of their republic. That most students from the various nationalities take advantage of this option without discrimination has been testified to by many Western scholars.>For example, in Lithuania, 'students who begin their education in Lithuanian suffer no discrimination at higher levels; university instruction is almost exclusively in Lithuanian.' Most students in the Baltic countries receive their education in the Baltic languages. In Estonia's general schools, for example, 73% use Estonian and 8% use both Estonian and Russian. In I960, 89% of higher education students studied in Estonian. Further, a significant number of those of Russian nationality attend Estonian language schools at all levels.>In Central Asia, however, there is a disproportionate number of non Asian immigrants in higher education - 30% in 1959 - even though they represented only about 20% of the population. Nevertheless, compared to the situation before the Revolution, or even in the late 1920s, the progress in this context is significant. To quote a Western scholar: 'When … this situation is compared with that prevailing thirty years ago when there were no higher educational establishments which Muslims could attend, progress can be seen as remarkable.'>There is no tendency for native languages to be undermined and replaced by Russian; the evidence indicates precisely the opposite, including officially sponsored campaigns to purify the native languages of 'Russianisms'. From 1959 to 1970, the percentage of Azerbaidzhanis speaking their native language increased from 97.6% to 98.2% (and of these only 16.6% said they spoke Russian as a second language). Similarly among the Uzbeks, of whom, in 1970, only 13% stated they spoke Russian as a second language.>Soviet policy, while it favours the development and preservation of native culture and language, also encourages migration of various nationalities throughout the USSR, especially to the resource rich, underpopulated areas of Siberia and much of Central Asia. Thus large numbers of Slavs, mostly Russians and Ukrainians, have settled in Central Asia, especially in Kazakhstan where they have become the majority of the total population. In recent years, however, apparently largely because of the high birth rates among Soviet Asians, the proportion of the population that is of the titular nationality has increased in all six Asiatic republics (see Table 2.10).>Soviet policy has always been to encourage preservation and development of the local cultures. In the 1920s, any group that felt itself to be a nationality was officially encouraged to develop its language, culture and sense of social cohesion. This was supported by the state by opening schools, publishing books and periodicals, and wherever the group was sufficiently concentrated geographically, given various degrees of local self-government. Generally the larger the group, the greater the extent of local autonomy. In the post-World War II period, this policy has been continued for groups of any significant size and geographical concentration. From the 1920s, in Soviet Asia, literature in the native languages and native art forms accessible to the people blossomed with government and Party support. No.549037
>>549035 (me) forgot trip
No.549039
Kek in Hasanabi's latest clip of him reacting to NKFZ or whatever that Russian YouTuber is called where he did a video on how the sanctions ate affecting him, in the reaction Hasanabi considered sanctions as a "necessary evil" fucking kek. Sanctions are only sensible and possible through fucking imperialism, in particular financial imperialism. If some bum fuck country or if some mid level country sanctions another mid-level country then who gives a fuck?
If each country supposedly had a sovereign control of their economy in an ideal setting, then fucking sanctions would amount to complete shit and actually hurt both the sanctioning country and the sanctionee country equally. Liberalism is so stupid because ralibs and "DemSocs" like Hasan hear words like imperialism and don't understand the connotations and the implications, mostly financial. You almost never hear about 2nd world or 3rd world nations sanctioning each other or first world nations because that's economic suicide. Standing for sanctions as a "necessary evil" implies that you stan western supremacist financial hegemony.
No.549040
>>548984i'm wagging my finger with disapproval
our messaging needs to be clear and concise
no mixed signals
>>548996wtf is cosmopolitanism and how did i describe internationalism as that
>>549003and how are they western left?
all i see is gay and che shirt which only plays into the usual anti-communist idpol attack
i understand it may not be against internationalism, but i look at things with the basest perspective
and it only depicts two messages
gay people bad and weird and "workers of the world unite" is weirdo
No.549041
>>549033>What national divisions is NATO exploiting, and howThey use the national divisions of the former USSR by making the 1989 nationalist counter revolution a permanent revolution - for some nationalities. This is pursuant to the containment of Russia and the expansion of Europe. Georgia and Ukraine are encouraged to attack their national minorities, which wield ASSRs and autonomous oblasts, while the baltics disenfranchise Russians
It's wielding these historical divisions of the proletariat that lets the imperialists control the region, provoking a Russian reaction that then justifies this in a cycle
No.549042
>>549033>Seems like capitalist infighting to me>Why would a balkanized Russia be badAlready answered here
>>549005 your lib brain just glazed over it, and the link to the book too. Other posts mentioning "stalinoids" were made under your flag, did you make those? Are you a trot?
>>549033>What national divisions is NATO exploiting, and howSo tiresome educating these trots. They know what you mean but they feign ignorance because of autism, or maybe they just want free education. Starting to understand the "trot to neocon pipeline" meme
No.549043
>>549031They cut off Russian consumers, but the Russian bourg walk free as usual. Looking out for their own when their investments (presumably in Ukraine) are threatened. It's not so hard to understand
>>549034>how would MLs need to change or grasp their model in the 21st centuryTo start, no more autistic ranting about the soviet union and how a theater director and a ballet dancer from moscow deserved to get purged by Stalin. But I think the first step is that MLs need to embrace a decentralized resistance. It seems the only way with a surveillance state this strong now. And need to stop reading Stalin/Lenin as if they were philosophers; they weren't, they were politicians.
>>549035Where is that long quote taken from?
>You clearly know what everyone means by attack and encroachmentNo, I don't, besides "attack and encroachment", and Ukrainian soldiers did not attack Russia or occupy Russian land.
>Treatment of ethinic minorities was very progressive for the time>for the timeHmm, the facade cracks. Yes, the long and bloody deportation of the Tatars from Crimea was certainly progressive, I suppose he could have just genocided them all. You do know I'm not arguing for a return to Tsardom and you don't have to treat me like a monarchist right? The USSR was undoubtedly an improvement on serfdom but that doesn't mean we can't criticize it. I don't understand why this is so difficult for MLs.
No.549044
>>549042If he really wanted to know, he'd have to step outside of his comfort zone and read any theory newer than the 19th century
No.549045
>>549031You're not thinking very hard if this is hard for you to understand.
No.549046
>>548986>I propose any model that isn't so oppressiveOf course you propose a new 'model' you dumb faggot because you believe all the stories you heard of muh oppreshun instead of either talking to the people who lived it or reading a book that didn't just confirm your priors. Unlatch your mouth from the current suction cup of shit you're drinking and maybe come to grips with being lied to
No.549048
>>549043>No, I don't, besides "attack and encroachment", and Ukrainian soldiers did not attack Russia or occupy Russian landAre you being serious? NATO is confirmed to have resolved, after debates over the Partnership for Peace, on realist led containment of Russia. That meant allying with anyone who would oppose them, they weren't liberals so they didn't give a shit
In Ukraine, they had a nationalist coup that immediately went after people it made non-Ukrainian and protested accordingly as Russians. Donbas and Crimea are national liberation struggles
No.549050
>>549042>Already answeredI responded to that post separately, I'd like you to write your own response
I am not a trot.
>>549041>Georgia and Ukraine are encouraged to attack their national minoritiesWhat national minorities?
I'd like to know, since we are justifying Russian interventions, which minorities the Chechens were suppressing as well?
>>549046>instead of either talking to the people who lived it or reading a book that didn't just confirm your priorsI have, actually, talked to both people who suffered under the soviets (or Tito actually) and people who had a much better quality of life under them. Have you?
>Unlatch your mouth from the current suction cup of shit you're drinking and maybe come to grips with being lied toIdeology
No.549051
>>549050>PEOPLE WHO SUFFERED UNDER TITOHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
TIME TO GET IN THE MINESHAFT No.549052
>>549051Well, they weren't nazis, it saddens me that everything is a meme to some westoids
No.549053
>>549050>What national minoritiesAbkhazians, South Ossetians, Russians and Ukrainian-Russians
No.549054
>>549043>No, I don'tSure
>b-but the tatars!!!!An exception here and there changes nothing about the fact that the treatment of ethnic minorities was very progressive for the time. Instead of isolating the Soviet Union as an abstract object in a vacuum, and judging that object based on modern moral standards, you can compare it with other parts of the world at the time.
No one here denies that the deportation of Tatars wasn't the best part of Soviet history. Not clue why you think MLs don't learn and develop from the past, it's a strawman you can't stop conjuring up just because you want to "own the MLs" or something.
No.549055
>>549050>people who suffered under Tito>le ebin liberal zizek flagTOP KEK
I hope whichever religious/nationalist extremist fags, Petar Brzica/Draza Mihajlovic cucks you talked to continue to suffer.
No.549057
>>549052I really doubt that they weren't either nazis or liberals
No.549060
>>549050>I responded to that post separatelyYour only response was to what I wrote after the link to the book.
No.549061
The "Right Sector in the HIZZOUSE" Atlantic Council guy live tweeted about participating in war crimes. I'm dead now
>Today closed with the unit I’m embedded in eliminating two suspected Russian saboteurs in an EMT vehicle. Saw the whole thing go down. Car refused to stop after several warnings, volunteers opened fire. It’s 00:45 Monday. The volunteers are up protecting this highway into Kyiv.https://nitter.net/terrelljstarr/status/1498067362595155968#m No.549062
I know a guy who browses /k/ unironically irl and he is acting literally the exact same as this guy, there seems to be some mass psychosis going on in that place
No.549064
>>814761
This, just let NATO put nukes in ukraine you fucking PUTLER!!!
No.549065
>>549031>i really don't understand the actions that western corporations are taking by cutting off russian consumers and their marketIt end's up being unintentional reverse protectionism for Russia. Russia's local industry is too small to compete with large transnationals, but when Russia gets cut off from world trade their smaller industries will grow and develop because without globally operating competitors they get higher margins on the domestic market and that means they can sustain a higher rate of investment. Russia had a very weak agricultural sector until they got their grain imports sanctioned away roughly a decade ago. And now their agricultural sector is large enough that they are something like the third largest grain exporter in the world.
I think the logic of western corps driving this is that they are primary financial entities with some production attached to it, and they are not that interested in commodity export, they are more interested in exporting financial capital. You know imperial stuff. They want the Russian government to be knocked over to create total chaos with desperate sellers that allows them to buy up Russian capital assets far below market value.
No.549066
>>549043What I learned from studying the russian revolution and the Soviet Union is that communists were weak and excessively soft hearted.
Many who needed to be executed were alive. Moreover they were not metaphysically eliminated.
The mistake shall not repeated. Degenerates of your type will be eliminated along your families and friends.
No quarter, no mercy. A final solution to the problem of the enemy
No.549067
>>549062what is k and which guy
No.549068
>>549064Yeah because Macron is such a Warlord nuking to light up Moscow.
NATO is so dangerous that Putin can barely manage to sell them most of their oil.
No.549071
>>549050>>549060>I responded to that post separatelyIn fact your only response was to "Imperialist war against Russia", just to deny it. You still did not substantively engage with the national question. If you understood it, then you would understand why a balkanized Russia would be bad for the working class of Russia.
No.549072
>>549066>What I learned from studying the russian revolution and the Soviet Union is that communists were weak and excessively soft hearted.The real killers were the anarchists. Lenin wanted a big trial for the Romanovs, but the anarchists were too damn bloodthirsty, so the Bolsheviks compromised and quietly put out a notice that the royal family was dead in the newspaper.
No.549075
>>549073Isn't Ice T a flat earther or something
No.549077
>>549053Very well, can you provide some proof now?
And now you have to agree then that if Russia has suppressed any minorities themselves at all (chechens, asians, et cet), then those minorities have a right to attack Russia?
>>549054>An exception hereNo, just one example. Koreans, Caucasians, and others.
>the treatment of ethnic minorities was very progressive for the timeMy friend I agree with you, it was better treatment than the Tsar but that doesn't make it the best we can do as leftists…
>>549055Actually, the religious/nationalist extremist "fags" I talked to are leftists now, so I'm not sure why you would want them to suffer
>>549066>Degenerates of your type will be eliminated along your families and friendsThis just makes you sound deranged
>>549071>a balkanized Russia would be bad for the working class of RussiaI'd like you to explain how. What if I think a balkanized Russia and US would be good for the working class?
No.549079
whats this board's take over the entire thing? who does it support?
No.549080
>>549079Broadly anti-NATO but not specifically pro-Russia
No.549081
>>549079I think the war is bad but I'm pro-DPR/LPR and anti-Azov.
No.549083
My drive home from work today made me depressed.
So there I am, driving through the city, which is depressing enough because no train (American), and the bus doesn’t go out to my suburb. As I’m navigating around with the other exhausted workers piloting 2 ton chunks of steel, I look up and I see it. A highrise office/bank building lit up it’s sign with blue and yellow. I roll my eyes, momentarily looking over the skyline, and another goddamn corporate building lit up their light feature with blue and yellow. Why is this hell world so lame?
No.549084
>>549077Keep running, bitch
>>549036 No.549085
>>549061>>549076I can't wait until he is encircled and he sees what his Azov buddies really think of him
No.549086
>>549079Leftypol supports the russians as usual I think
Not me though, I'd like to see Putin hang for all the looting from working Russians he has done, and what he did to Chechnya
At the same time, Zelensky and the liberal propaganda is all very annoying, and I do like that the Russians have taken the Azov area, hopefully some fascists have died
I think the best scenario is a long bloody drawn out war and another Russian revolution, but likely we'll just get nazi ISIS and another Putin when Vova finally dies from whatever terminal illness he has
No.549087
>>549083I've been eating hard tack for a month and my roof is made of dry leaves
No.549088
>>549085He is truly idiotic. An extremely dumb person
No.549089
Guys, what are the chances of a revolution happening either in Western Europe or Russia? At least in the next decade or so?
No.549090
>>549077>Very well, can you provide some proof now?Saakashvili resolved after 2004 rose revolution to absorb the autonomous oblasts, which caused war in the early 90s too
Ukraine using a government made entirely by west ukrainian parties repealed its language law, installed pro Kiev governors in the east, went after eastern opposition, and sent the army after pro Russian protesters who were doing what West Ukraine did during maidan. They declared Ukrainians indigenous but not Russians.
Subsequent attempts to decentralize were met with rioting like in 2015 at the Rada
In both cases we see attempts to form a unitary nation state out of an SSR causing national and ethnic divisions
>russia Is federalized and not doing this, although I believe they are reducing the rights of autonomous oblasts and such
No.549091
>>549089Pretty low IMO, sorry anon
No.549094
>>549077>No, just one exampleHow much of the things surrounding these deportations is propaganda or not, is a different discussion. In the case of Estonia, I would agree that a significant portion of those deported were kulaks that wanted to re-establish a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, some that fought with the nazis during the great patriotic war. Some might have been innocents or random relatives.
>My friend I agree with you, it was better treatment than the TsarAlso just about all other countries at the time
>but that doesn't make it the best we can do as leftists…Yes
>I'd like you to explain howOk,
>>549005 No.549095
I mean buying them out is a little different from just giving them free money like in western bailouts
No.549096
>>549089Ia NATO wins 0%
If Russia wins 10%
The real deal is south america and africa, if NATO loses and we're back to a multipolar 1950 world things will get interesting.
No.549097
>>549089I bet it'll be more like 1848 than anything else. aka, completely snuffed out by reactionary forces and retarded inexperienced radicals
No.549099
>>549092Even state capitalism would be better than the truly horrific globalist neoliberal dystopia we're living now.
No.549100
>>549095Socialism is when state intervention in the economy, and when there is a lot of it thats communism
No.549101
>>549092Surely it will work this time right?
Better grab your shovels, yall about to all become coal miners Boris.
No.549102
Must sleep…good night
No.549103
>>549036Looks more like the UK acting alone rather than NATO, I wouldn't call them all NATO soldiers collectively until at least a 2nd NATO country sends their own 100 spec ops into Ukraine
No.549104
>>549086I support Russia and I'm not going to apologize for that.
No.549106
>>549084I said NATO troops, these are British…
>>549090>Saakashvili resolved after 2004 rose revolution to absorb the autonomous oblasts, which caused war in the early 90s too Sorry, I think this might be translated not so great, is there any way you can reword this?
No.549107
>>549102Same, its 4:29AM and I got work from 9. I'm retarded
No.549108
>>549077Call me whatever you like.
Whether it be the ukrainian banderite, the russian vlasovite or those degenerates like you who hail from sodom us or gomorra eu. You must all be erased.
There will be no escape.
No.549109
>>549098what the fuck
they look
literally
nothing alike
No.549110
>>549100Socialism is when you argue about inane shit on leftypol and communism is when you die
No.549111
>>549097So it's still a long way to go huh? I thought conditions seem to be getting riper for revolution.
>>549091Is it lack of organizing or repression of communisfs, or both?
No.549112
>>549089My god of course the chances are high, every riot is a sign the system fails, which country first is the question
No.549114
>>549100Obviously it's not socialism but you can argue it's a step closer to socialism, ie. it's 'socialistic'
No.549117
>>549113West capitalism = free market democracy
Eastern capitalism = authoritarian oligarchy
No.549118
>>549111Don't listen to the doomers, we'll have a revolution somewhere in the next 20 years i'm sure
>>549108Oh please, the cringe.
No.549119
>>549111Revolutions come in pairs
No.549121
>>549081>I'm pro-DPR/LPR why?
No.549123
>>549121Because he's a real man
No.549124
>>549123Go to sleep already niqqa.
No.549128
>>549123i'm asking because all this crap and supporting russia has nothing to with socialism whatsoever lol
No.549129
>>548922Russia was a colony of the USA from 1991 to 1999. Ukraine is currently a colony of the USA.
No.549130
>>549117West capitalism is authoritarian, just less so. In the west, you can make the Pentagon in Minecraft and blow it up and not get thrown in prison for doing so (yes, there was a russian kid who actually got thrown in prison for this but with the FSB building)
Doesn't make it better than eastern capitalism, but under western capitalism since more resistance is tolerated, there might be a better chance of real revolution
That is why we must vote for local politicians who want to decriminalize things, even if they are liberals. The fewer the consequences of our resistance, the greater our chances.
No.549131
>>549118Γαμω το σταυρό σου. Πανηλίθιος πουτανας γιος της βλαμμένης δύσης.
No.549133
>>549129I would actually argue Ukraine is more a joint colony of the US and Germany, and if not for the invasion would have ended up similarly to Poland - financially dominated by German companies
No.549134
>>549106THE UNITED KINGDOM IS IN NATO
No.549136
>posting soyjaks
No.549137
https://nitter.net/Stalin_Frog/status/1499229150959128577#mApparently Russia now controls more than 1/4th of Ukraine's land area.
No.549138
>>549131You are greek? You are a westoid….
>>549134They aren't NATO soldiers though. If they were, it would mean nuclear war.
>>549135Sigh, why would I be racist against myself?
No.549140
>>549105They think and act just like khokhols were on the internet until shells fell near their homes
No.549142
>>549130western capitalism has more resistance therefore its more likely theres a revolution
>ignoring the fact that resistance is fueled more by liberal individualism and that their liberalism will make them even more hostile to collective socialismEH
No.549143
>>549139Not socialist states, people just naturally tended towards socialism, but Russia removed non-capitalist ideas from the leadership. Still though, it's the same deal as Belarus/Russia to a degree
No.549145
>>548943Why did you scratch out of their name?
No.549146
>>549127>why are they 9/11 levels of emotional They were terrorized by covid and then a sudden channel change to approaching 9/11 levels of emotional media plus even more unhinged social media.
No.549149
>>549144Well, good thing I don't read the Telegraph.
No.549150
>>549139They’re not socialist per se, but popular governments that in themselves have a large base of people who are sympathetic to socialism, if not in turn socialists.
No.549151
>>549150It's hard to have any semblence of a functioning political economy when you've been under siege with no aide for 8 years
No.549152
>>549151This is true, but they also have displaced their commparty from power if not outright suppressed them
No.549153
>>549142>ignoring the fact that resistance is fueled more by liberal individualism and that their liberalism will make them even more hostile to collective socialismNo, I disagree, resistance is not fueled by liberal individualism, riots don't happen because someone's identity was threatened. That itself is a liberal argument. You cannot explain BLM and the riots of 2020 with just identity politics
No.549154
>>549031Are you new to corporate virtue signaling?
No.549155
>>814883
Cope ukrop, you will never be independent again (YWNBIA)
No.549156
>>549135If only it were true. Liberal individual freedoms are a degenerate sickness of a concept that have to be abolished.
If Stalin really was a totalitarian dictator, the soviet union be going strong to this day in peace and the goddamn banderites and vlasovites of both sides would be where they cause zero harm: Non-existence.
No.549157
>>549152When the other anon says "they" he means the people of Donbas. When you say "they" you mean the government of Donbas under pressure from the Russian government. Be precise when posting to avoid miscommunication.
No.549158
>>814883As a counter I point you to
>>549125 No.549159
>>5490310Maybe they're hoping to crash the Russian economy so they can buy it all up for cheap (again)?
No.549160
>>549144I like collecting these kinds of images as a litmus test and a radicalization technique for a lot of liberals in my country. The moment this kind of "subtle" white supremacy is uncovered, the more people will see the faults of liberalism.
No.549161
>>814883
>Russians are supposed to be some of the smartest master chess players to have ever lived
My god, spoken like a true westoid. Even the russians I know joke about their own country's incompetence
No.549162
>>549144>We must secure the future of our hyte race Vibes
No.549163
>>549160Idk, it seems that many liberals are going full fash.
No.549164
>>548998I think a lot of people need to learn about the history of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and the Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations and the World Anti-Communist League.
No.549166
>>549163Well, I live in the third world. It is easier to "cure" liberalism when you aren't a Westerner.
No.549167
>>814883
>The entire might of the Russian military…..
According to the estimations of American military analysts it's less than 10%
No.549168
>>549164Yes, that is included in the history of Ukraine is it not? As well as the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS, 1st Galician and Makhno's army
No.549169
>>549167>According to the estimations of American military analysts it's less than 10%Source?
No.549170
>>814908
>Russian martial law!
>Source: Pro ukraine twitter account
Fuck off ukrop shill.
No.549171
>>549167Judging by what I have seen, the other 90% must be missing wheels and engines.
No.549172
>>814908
>literal who on twitter
No.549173
>>814908
No it cannot be true, I know for a fact Vova is loved and adored
No.549175
>>549166Solidarity comrade. It is your countries that will lead the way as they always have historically.
Your struggle will free us all from the mind virus of liberalism and the real alien parasite of capitalism.
No.549177
>>549153but i can explain a decent part of it to being muh freedom, muh no mask, muh no vax because its against my "liberty"
like i can understand being hostile to lockdowns, i can kind of understand being hostile to vaccines, but also being hostile to something simple as a MASK
eh
No.549178
>>549165I mean it kind of is?
No.549180
>>549168It seems really weird that you would legitimize Ukrainian nationalism if you actually knew about that history and the direct involvement with MI5 starting in 1918 and the CIA in 1946 and would be asking questions like "what do you mean NATO agression?"
No.549182
>>549177>but i can explain a decent part of it to being muh freedom, muh no mask, muh no vax because its against my "liberty"Disagree, material conditions. Those people were like that before, what pushed them to the streets to destroy property was their worsening material conditions
No.549183
>>549169It's not that hard - US says Russia has 100k troops on the border with Ukraine. Russia has 1mil.+ active servicemen.
No.549184
>>549169Source?
clips from American TV posted in previous Ukraine happening threads, i didn't save it, you have to go dig through the leftypol archive.
>>549171>Judging by what I have seenYou went to Russia and looked at their military ?
No.549185
>>549178You convinced them to moderate their rhetoric. They will revert back to hypocrisy and scream whataboutism at you.
No.549186
Notice how the ukroids use cope and seethe, as if they are trying to cloak themselves in with general chanspeak.
No.549187
>>549180>It seems really weird that you would legitimize Ukrainian nationalismI'm not legitimizing it or endorsing it
No.549188
>>549157Fair point, thank you.
No.549190
>>549182so if these people were like that before how can you expect a better chance of geniune socialist revolution from them when even before the worsening material conditions, they were always the more about individual liberty type
No.549191
>>549190It’s a matter of class position. Petty booj want capitalism to work for THEM but are in fear of being crushed by bigger capitalists
No.549192
Why is the ukranian MoD spending all that sweet human trafficking money on twitter/reddit/imageboard shills instead of paying for good military hardware¡
No.549193
>>548792>>548795The global right wing isn't as unified as some tend to think. The version of this argument that Russia is taking on globohomo has never really accounted for prominent right-wing parties that are both anti-LGBT and anti-Russia (Poland is an obvious one) or that the ruling party in Ukraine openly supports homophobic MPs and Zelensky’s armed forces are filled with neo-Nazis.
No.549194
Washington Bullets: A History of the CIA, Coups, and Assassinations Paperback
< September 22, 2020
<by Vijay Prashad
>Essays on acts of US imperialism, from the 1953 Iran coup to the 2019 ouster of Evo Morales
>Washington Bullets is written in the best traditions of Marxist journalism and history-writing. It is a book of fluent and readable stories, full of detail about US imperialism, but never letting the minutiae obscure the larger political point. It is a book that could easily have been a song of despair―a lament of lost causes; it is, after all, a roll call of butchers and assassins; of plots against people’s movements and governments; of the assassinations of socialists, Marxists, communists all over the Third World by the country where liberty is a statue.
>Despite all this, Washington Bullets is a book about possibilities, about hope, about genuine heroes. One such is Thomas Sankara of Burkina Faso―also assassinated―who said: ‘You cannot carry out fundamental change without a certain amount of madness. In this case, it comes from nonconformity, the courage to turn your back on the old formulas, the courage to invent the future. It took the madmen of yesterday for us to be able to act with extreme clarity today. I want to be one of those madmen. We must dare to invent the future.’
No.549196
>>549190>how can you expect a better chance of geniune socialist revolution from them I can't, I'm not talking about a difference in quality of the people. My point is that the consequences to their resistance are not as severe as in the east, and because of this they have a better chance of actually pulling off a revolution IF material conditions get worse enough. The more you are allowed to get away with, the more opportunities you have to grow in strength and numbers. Do you disagree with this?
No.549198
>>549195Ukrops winning again I see.
No.549199
>>549195hardcore shit is going down
No.549200
>>549195Why has asb stopped updating? Are they banned?
No.549201
>>549193>Rightoids don't understand nuance and their tiny brains Blue Screen of Death when there's elements that they hate on both "teams"ya no shit sherlock
No.549202
>>549197Indian media is surreal
No.549203
>>549197Indian political cartoons are their own kind of nutty
No.549204
we aught to send /pol/ modern russian pop music.
No.549205
>>814954
Blame the people who put military targets in civilian buildings
No.549207
>>549195A sizeable portion of leftists who were against the Iraq war will deffend this. Also remember a week ago how Putinbots were all screeching about how this will be a clean big chungus war that will only target military targets, unlike those pesky NATO war criminals?
No.549208
>>549197what the fuck india this is the best anime ive seen.
No.549209
>>549207What happens when you literally put military objectives in civilian infrastructure
No.549212
>>549209>What happens when you literally put military objectives in civilian infrastructureThey show up on twitter or Radio Free Europe with no context but massively suggestive implication.
No.549213
>>549210I have to ask, how else would you counter the sheer soft power of Nato and her master of the US? This is crude, desperate and not even tactically smart from what I can see but what else can you even do? Act pure?
No.549214
>>549197Funny part is that if anything, it will be those "useless" sanctions that will fuck Putin over, not the propped up Ukranian army.
No.549216
>>549210Never thought I’d see a whataboutism in defense of NATO here
>>814968What stealing their land? Do you think Putin wants to annex Ukraine? Or that he’s recreating the USSR 2.0?
No.549217
>>549214>Sanctions will fuck putinNATO mentality lmao.
No.549219
>>549216>whataboutism is when you expose hypocrisyGod
No.549220
>>549191yeah and thats another point america is filled with labor aristrocricacy or petit borg in the lower to mid class that i dont see a good chance of revolution here.
I mean i guess the non petit borg or arit class people might but genuine marxists are a minority while others are Agent Kochinskiites
>>549196i dont disagree with this, i just think theres a low chance that the people here will pull a socialist revolution and would instead do something worse like a reactionary, or even a fascist one
No.549221
>>549219That’s the very definition of a whataboutism. But that’s another story
No.549222
>>549206Thanks for promoting
No.549223
>>549211I decided against it. All they do is bitch about blackpeople there.
No.549224
>>549213First off, you don't start a war that will push anyone to the right of Corbyn into being pro-NATO and inflate its soft power for years to come. Second off, you instead focus on luring away the EU, or at least fracturing it, as you've successfully started doing with Germany. Finally, if you really need war, you just step in and occupy Donbass-Luhansk and call it a day, to avoid looking like Hitler and getting your country pulverized by sanctions.
No.549226
>>549223The Gayazov’s or Pol?
No.549227
>>549224The thing about these sanctions is that they all need Russian oil and it's cheaper much cheaper oil than the shit the states are offering.
>>549226/pol/
No.549228
>>549221>That’s the very definition of a whataboutismIt literally isn't, but okay
No.549229
>>549224Honestly it’s a win-win. The russians lose, Putin turns the population against him, likely activating would be communists. The russians win, Putin still gets churchilled
No.549231
>>549230I mean, I post video updates posted on this site to my Peertube account, check it out.
No.549232
>>549229uh the Russian communists win and then Nato still sanctions Nato. Most likely situation is they install a neoliberal puppet and further 1991 one them. Why are you fags not seeing the obvious? WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU SO BLIND!?
No.549233
>>549232>Nato still sanctions Natoget some fucking sleep man, I am watching your brain die real-time
No.549234
>>549232Which is why the Russians winning and putin still losing power is the best outcome
No.549235
>>549229Except for the part where people get murdered on mass and thousands of lives are ruined. I'm all for Kissengerian realpolitik, but not when we are still talking about what amounts to basically just accelerationism. Checka killing thousands of coubter-revolutionary dissidents? Fine. Killing thousands to make th conditions worse so it would might lead to something good? Fuck off psychopath.
No.549236
>>549224They threw sanctions at Russia before the happening started, when the Russian military was at rest on Russian territory.
No.549238
>>549233I mean russia. Whatever man. The fact that this thread lost to the pro nato shills. WHere is even baseline contrarianism? What happened to pride?
>>549234Pure hopium. Putin gets a W and his approval rating rests at 60% as it always does.
No.549239
>>815002
Is he alright?
No.549240
The win-win situation is Russia winning the war and Putin later getting yeeted out of power from the brewing discontent.
No.549241
>>549235I have no control over the events and am merely looking at all the possible outcomes or at least the ones I can foresee. None of the events of the war are necessary, much less desirable, yet here we are
No.549242
>>549232Cope and seethe with your take, also why the fuck will NATO sanction itself
No.549243
>>815009
>hes never heard of a vpn
>he probably thinks everybody with an Israeli flag is actually a jew
shame on you
No.549244
>>549242Tell me how the fuck Russia losing or winning will create a communist Russia? You are retarded.
No.549245
>>815002
wtf I hate Putin now
No.549246
>>549238Regardless of the result, Russia still remains anti-imperialist, like it has always been since 1917
No.549247
>>549238All those sanctioned Russian billionaires want Putin gone. Communists need to take advantage of the fracture in Russia's ruling class and seize power.
No.549248
>>549238His approval rating is not because people “like him”, but because of “pindostan” and “gayrope”
No.549250
>>5492471917 electric boogaloo when
No.549251
>>549248No shit.
>>549246Meh. I don't even care anymore. I just want the memeforce to die. The redditors to seethe. That is all I want. I am petty, I am a nasty bitch. I don't care.
>>549247If Nato is weakened that would be a good point but Nato is strong as ever, and will still stomp on the heads of anti-capitalists everywhere. BEcause that is what they were formed to do. To stop revolution.
No.549253
>>549238I still think NATO’s worse. Maybe you don’t understand that the “contrarianism” was in response to the actual pro-nato shills who were fishing for (you)s, so people actually had to make a response to them
No.549254
I want to stop this fucker 40 times and smash his skull in as he makes that stupid fucking gape face.
No.549255
>>549252I hope Russia used extra missiles to sterilize the area.
No.549257
Anyone wanna link me some great, analytical and as best as possible objective articles on the possible economic aftermaths on this whole thing? The sanctions, the possible explusion from SWIFT, possible dedollarization, rising commodity prices, all that.
No.549258
>>815002
Ukrops on suicide watch.
No.549259
>>549252@RealpepeEscobar
lol straight from the intelligence satellite footage
No.549260
>>549237
The far right of /pol/ are worried that the MSM lockstep is similar to what they perceived with Trump or with Covid. The rhetoric being used is also not the style designed to appeal to them.
The far far right of /pol/ are worried that azov received funding from Jews and that the president is a Jew.
No.549262
>>548719Listening to the audio and the impact that occurred (along with a large history of fabricated and false-flag videos by Ukrainian ATO forces) I think this is a set up, because it's very unlikely for someone to calmly just film a ship in harbor and then after the explosion calmly ask "did you get it?"
Reeks of false-flag.
No.549264
>>549240Yes but if Putin wins the war he will he a hero for the russian people.
Meh I can live with that.
No.549265
>>548758Shay, I really have fun laughing at your shitposting on /siberia/… but keep it there.
Sincerely,
Anon
No.549267
>>549265The Ukraine threads are way worse than any thread on siberia. Funny shitposts actually raise the quality of discussion here.
No.549271
>>549255>I hope Russia used extra missiles to sterilize the area.Iskandar has a 700Kg vacuumb-bomb (thermobaric fuel air bomb) payload, if they used that there is no need for sterilizing anything. Vac-bombs are really terrifying weapons that usually nobody uses because they are too much overkill but they are very effective at neutralizing bio-logical weapons.
No.549273
>>549197lmao what the fuck
No.549274
>>549270They've got the same thing going in Georgia.
No.549275
>>549252I think this was the real reason for the war.
No.549277
Anybody shocked how fast "leftists" and "progressive" sold out to US imperialism and NATO overnight? Its like 90% of the so-called "left" have gone full liberal and its basically just Hasan and all the veterans like Xexizy, Mexie ect left.
No.549278
>>815065
Nah, it looks like he's trying to be an edgy right winger in this clip.
There's tons of comedians who "flipped sides", like Jim Jeffries, SBC, Kimmell, Sarah Silverman, the list goes on.
One important thing to note, is this list of "comedians" were never really funny in the first place
No.549279
>>548814No, no it wouldn't, pic related. It would kill most of humanity and lead to Nuclear Winter for at least a couple decades though.
>>548898You're overdramatizing a bit but, yeah, it's a tactical nightmare.
>>548903I think maybe 2 weeks, but more likely 10-11 days
No.549280
>>815073
Putin is moving in slowly to minimize civilian casualties. That seems to be the case from the info. However, he would probably be better off moving in quickly because the nazis are killing more innocents than would probably die from Russian collateral damage.
No.549282
>>549277american liberals descended into fevered bloodthirst overnight, it’s honestly amazing how american liberals fall for the exact same hysterical, emotional war propaganda every few years and not start to be skeptical.
No.549283
>>549277Hasan, Xexizy, and Mexie aren't falling for NATO propaganda? That's kind of surprising but good to hear. Finbol is both-sidesing it but maybe he's butthurt about the winter war or some gay shit.
No.549285
>>549282I think communists really should (and fortunately they are) emphasizing the Nazis on the Ukrainian side since that throws a wrench in the liberal narrative which is all about being against "fascism." How can you be against fascism at home and support it abroad? Then remind people that the post-2014 Ukrainian junta banned the Communist Party.
No.549288
>>548830 >>548863Ah, General Patton's legacy of being a Nazi sympathizing, dehumanizing, unaware scumbag continues ever strongly… how "nice", Goebbels approves.
>>548883>>548886You better be fucking joking
>>548901 I can already hear the triggered handwringing
>>548906>The West is Winning, Russia is Losing, and Biden is Doing a Good JobIt's so transparent I have to speculate if I put on They Live glasses as I read this title.
No.549289
>>549284Fucking surface of the sun tweet right there
No.549292
>>549284It's either that or total schizophrenia
No.549293
>>549290
so they changed their mind about having ukrops fight to the last infant and now want them to surrender instead?
No.549298
>>549279I miss pre trump 4chan so much.
No.549299
>>549280>he would probably be better off moving in quickly because the nazis are killing more innocentsI cant help but wonder if he is making a mistake or doing it on purpose to turn the public against the regime.
No.549300
>>548926>We were forced to attack! West was always bullying us! Now we're fighting back!" sorry don't give a fuck about your "geopolitics" and your "russian nation" and its "history" when I'm working my ass off literally for fucking nothing.1) Geopolitics matter, yeah life sucks but if you think it can't get worse, you're an idiot that apparently slept through the 90s. Geopolitical real-politik is important on a national scale and your personal dislike of your government does
2) Russian capitalists are no different to capitalists anywhere else, stop presenting obvious self-destructive tendencies of capitalism as if you fucking discovered America
3) They didn't attack you fucking liberast, you can curse Putin and his oligarchate all you like, that's fine, nobody that has any understanding of politics disagrees, but Putin is not a monolith, he does not represent Russia and it's entirety. Russia ought to have done this far earlier and many people wanted it, the DPR and LNR began applying to join Russia the moment the Ukrainian referendum results came in, and for years asked for Russia to assist. Russia IS attacked and this is blatantly obvious to anyone that isn't a solzhenitsyn-tier cunt.
>wages Nothing to do ith the conflict, and if you feel that strongly then actually do something concrete instead of projecting your discontent unto something utterly unrelated.
>this shitholeAnd this is a key phrase you use, not "MY country" but "This country" it´s not "that country over there" it's YOUR country and your words betray you.
Finally Your text is literally copy-pasta tier, unfortunately I can't confirm, but by the style I recognize it reminds me of the liberal copy-pasta done by various EchoOfMoscow and RadioFreeEurope shill bots.
No.549301
>>548840Eeeh Chuang had an article once with Adrian Zenz as a source. I don't trust them.
No.549303
>>814496
>Because they are not genocide deniers?
"Genocide denial" is an attempt to make communists admit to LIES produced by CIA. Communists don't kill people, dude. That's the fucking thing, the whole fucking point. You just blankedly paint your ideology a murder of millions color. Meanwhile, Chinese don't even have any idea about tens of millions supposedly starved under Mao, ffs, because IT'S NOT FUCKING TRUE. Holodomor didn't happen, USSR's famine was waaay smaller than what Russians and Ukrainians experienced constantly under Czar regime.
No.549305
>>549302BASADOSWest cope, the best cope.
No.549307
>>548703aaaaaaand this is why zelinsky hasn't thrown the towel, he gets the advise of these people.
No.549308
>>549302Based and no pasaran pilled
No.549309
Just catching up on the thread
>see post
>hover over replies
>see zizek flag
>don't read
Who else?
No.549311
>>549302The silent majority stands with russia, I bet russia has at least 50% of worldwide support against liberalism/globalism/globohomo/NATO etc, but people are too afraid of cancel culture to demonstrate it.
No.549314
>>549311>people are too afraid of cancel culture to demonstrate it.Or just smart enough to not engage in a losing online social media battle on uneven terms. Like 4chan, a dissenting opinion in the echochamber gets violently shouted into silence and it's just easier to say fuck it and ignore them
No.549316
Some names if guys here want to dig in, who are the ones in the Ukrainian side hyping fakes:
>"The main flow of fake news from Ukraine is coordinated by two people - the owner of the media buying company Trafic Devils Oleksandr Slobozhenko and the director of the performance agency Roman.ua Roman Rybalchenko. They and their assistants manage the actions of the fake factory in the telegram channel."
>Fake factories work in conjunction with the psychological operations center of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the government of the country. For example, the Minister of Digital Transformation of Ukraine, Mykhailo Fedorov, controls the work of "creo-farms" and gives instructions. Advertising is carried out at the expense of certain "investors" - their names are hidden.
No.549317
>>549284serious question why does anyone watch this retard? he's slow, boring, slovenly, and has to be spoon fed basic information by his audience, what makes anyone watch Agent Kochinski?
No.549318
>>549317Because he's hot. That's basically it.
No.549319
have you seen his wife?
No.549320
>>549316Source? Would love to post this at libs.
No.549321
>>549316Russia needs to keep hitting disinfo centers in Kiev. What a fucking masterful stroke it is when missile strikes shut up anti-Russian sentiment in Russian internet immediately after blowing up a disinfo center. I think it affects even 4chan, pro-Ukrop wave immediately shuts up
No.549322
>>549317I watch him for rage fuel and a bit of a reality check. Also, for the slim chance of a fat fuck encountering info breaking his brain
No.549323
>>549318unless you have a thing for obese invalids, no
No.549327
when new thread
No.549328
>>549324I don't even like Putin, (мотылёк блять) but unironically spamming that is the best method to troll the fuck out of liberals.
No.549329
>>549315link for video source?
No.549331
>>549320The channel that debunks most of the Ukrainian fakes:
https://web.telegram.org/z/#-1736895964From there is where I could bring evidence of this earlier:
>>548719 Ukrainian media rushed to say that Russia was doing an amphibious landing on Odesa and they sunk their ship, however, the telegram channel proved that there is no ship with that exact hulk of the Russian navy in the Black Sea at the moment. So the Ukrainian changed the narrative now to what you see here
>>548719.
No.549333
>>815050That's my point
>>549256Nah, just low ground pressure
No.549335
>>549332
i know that russia has been trying to get rid of sanctions on north korea, so i assume they're on good terms
No.549338
>>549105>imagine comparing kiloton experimental nukes to modern stuffLMAO. Oh and Posadism based itself on kiloton nukes of the time, not taking into account the later massive increase into the megatons
No.549339
>mayor of Kremennaya Vladimir Struk, who had previously offered local deputies to start communication with Russia and the LPR aws found killed with a shot in his heart.
No.549343
>>548685>>549194>Agent KochinskiI just read the part where they say that CIA backed Islam to defeat the Tudeh party and when I compare it to Hoxha's Reflection on the middle east, I think this Washington bullet is kek.
No.549344
Damn I want to sleep but I want to be here when /ourguys/ take Kiev.
No.549346
>>549056LMAO no
>>548984>not only vilifying our message of internationalism and breaking capitalist chains but it also seems to be made by a rightoid with it's apparent't seething against gay people It's blatantly apparent that it's an attack on liberal idpol you gaslighting radlib.
No.549347
>>549344It's probably going to take a few days, why stay up now?
No.549348
>>549344you probably won't miss it, so go ahead
No.549349
>>549344there is a civilian corridor still open, it will take some time unless kiev just surrenders
No.549352
>>549351Liberalism is a mental illness.
No.549354
An anlysis over the Serbia vote in the UN general resoultion:
>Yesterday Serbia joined the UN resolution condemning the Russian special operation in Ukraine. You have been writing to me all morning and asking, “How is it? And what about brothers? Stop panicking. Let's figure it out.
>Vučić described Belgrade's position even during his address to the nation - we support the territorial integrity (of any country), but no sanctions. Yesterday he once again confirmed this both in word and deed. Of the 13 acts of the UN resolution, Serbia voted in favor of four. They did not vote for the rest, because they talked about sanctions against the Russian banking sector, the President of the Russian Federation, and the head of the Foreign Ministry.
>With all due respect to this wonderful organization, I cannot say that at this stage in the development of events, the UN resolution will have a special effect on anything. Explore the history of conflicts since the collapse of the USSR. Remember how Yugoslavia began to be ironed without the sanction of its Security Council at all. Her role has long become rather nominal - so, shake the test tubes. The world order is like this - and we didn't build it, by the way.
>We return to the Serbs. What would have changed if they hadn't voted yes? Ivica Dacic's phrase can now be reversed. “We are a great energy force and everything depends on what we say? We must think about our interests." And, unfortunately, it is. You must understand that for all the irrational Russophilia of the overwhelming majority of Serbs, the country's economy has long been tightly soldered into the conjuncture of the European market. Here is what the leader of the Serbian right once said to me in an interview, who certainly would gladly replace the “Western fetters” with a “Russian shield”:
“This is a balancing act between blackmailing the EU and Russia's fraternal attitude towards Serbia. He, unfortunately, apart from cultural and religious cooperation, does not yet have the necessary economic justification for the survival of the Serbian economy. Now almost 70% of our exports go to the EU. Serbia may simply not survive the new sanctions for the second time in a short historical period. If by expanding its presence, liberalizing legislation for the Serbs and completely opening markets for all Serbian goods, Russia “insures” us against deadly sanctions and threats from the West, for our part we will do our best as a reliable ally of the Russian people.” That was two years ago.
>I don't envy Vučić and his team at all. Every day it gets less and less to sit on two chairs: Kosovo is on the verge of joining NATO, the international community of pacifist hypocrites is openly calling for Belgrade to be punished for supporting Russia, elections are just around the corner.
>And the Serbs have already spilled their indignation over yesterday's decision on social networks. Don't even worry about it.
No.549355
>>549350I hope they capture the ukrop shills that post here too.
No.549356
>>549351Призрак коммунизма, хаха
No.549357
I’m hearing Azov are getting (redacted), anyone have clips?
No.549358
>>549353I could understand "za zwa Russiya" something like "welcome Russia" or "surrendered to Russia".
No.549359
>>549357Southfront and anti-nato.ru have some videos
No.549362
>>549358>>549353The background is just orders during a firefight somewhere. The main video is them saying for them to loudly repeat, Glory to Russia (Славв Россий), as a mockery of the Glory to Ukraine (Слава Украине) Banderovite phrase.
No.549363
>>549362kek, thanks, Slava to za zwa. My Russian is weak, less useful to ukrainian.
No.549364
>>549363No problem, I used to be the OP of the Russian Thread Generals, but lost interest because many Rus-anons just moved on, so I did too.
No.549365
>>549364check'd
do you post on that russian 2ch site?
No.549366
>>549365Yeah, though I kinda stopped because it's dead AF. if anyone remembers that invitation post on /ussr/ that was mine. The current Ukraine situation is kinda close to me, so I'm posting more.
No.549367
new thread pl0x
No.549368
>>549065>but when Russia gets cut off from world trade their smaller industries will grow and develop because without globally operating competitors they get higher margins on the domestic market and that means they can sustain a higher rate of investmentLet me cut you off right here and state that protectionism alone is no guarantee whatsoever that this happens. The bourgeoisie of underdeveloped nations have an infuriating tendency to shun any long-term profit and risks associated with import substitution policies. Without any national program aimed at the latter, the bourgeoissie will simply ignore that potential future profit and instead sseek the immediate profit of middlemanning these increasingly expensive imported goods now.
No.549370
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No.549371
>>549364>>549363 (me)
Check'ed
Ah, good, welcome back.
>>5493662ch.hk? seems quite used, IMO.
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