>>551338Top jej
Liberal high horsing
>>551341That would be the same timeframe as the 2003 Iraq invasion. But, Russia has a different battle doctrine, much less civilian deaths for more casualties on their own side. American battle doctrine is to kill as many on the other side as possible before putting boots on the ground.
Still, it's impressive somewhat. The Ukrainian army is not a pushover, it has been rebuild and upgraded for 8 years with NATO help.
>>551338Honestly it's pretty much the reason why my hateboner for the U.S. overpowers the whole "russian imperialism" thing. I got fucking fooled by these "democratic springs" too many times to take anything remotely aligned with NATO on good faith. Brazil, Venezuela, Bolivia, Cuba, Belarus, every American election and protests with their "protest leaders". They know what happened in their countries and they know the smell of bullshit after just one whiff.
At this point I am convinced that America and NATO hegemony is the number one reason that popular insurrections against capitalism fail. Once, I would oppose an invasion like this current one on principle, but that was the past. Anyone who can't see the writing on the wall to how crucial it is to fight NATO after having looked into the past ten years has no memory or is a glowie.
I will put my hat in for a multipolar world until the day that glowie influence becomes as strong as that shitty Silvercorp stunt.
>>551351USA wants to sell Europe gas and oil because USA is fucking broke. European market is fully controlled by Russia, though. Ukraine (from a capitalist perspective) is a fight between USA and Russia for Europe's gas/oil market. NATO and EU allies are willing to surrender a part of their essential interests, but not all of them, so they get roped into "war with Russia" hysteria.
>Will this contribute to a rise in European fascism similar to how al-Qaeda and ISIS grew out of the "brave mujahedeen fighters"?Nah, Russia will denazify Ukraine and kill while at it a lot of European nazis who will come to Ukraine to defend it. Like hell Europe would like to have radicalized Ukrainian nazis residing on their territories
>>551374In this case yes, I don't share his nazbol views but he's absolutely right on this particular issue.
This is something that many people have said before too, but he put it more succinctly.
>>551358unbelievably based
tho what's that thing the 2nd guy is holding
>>551365False flag will most likely occur after Russians take over Kiev. Although I don't know exactly how they plan on detonating the device as they probably don't have warheads and will have to truck it in and than explode it. So they could false flag 20 days after Kiev falls.
Ukriane will bring in NATO against Russia. This will cause nuclear war. The think I don't understand nis how the fuck will NATO disable Russian nukes? I don't know how they are going to do it but Frome what I saw they seem very fucking confident.
NATO invasion into Russia will be made with Chinese troops.
>>551382They don't give a shit about Ukraine, most liberals don't even know where it is.
Russia didn't declare war against Ukraine, Russia declared war against the current worldview, declared war against literally everything that has happened between 1992 and today, the perfect post cold war world they thought would last forever is in shambles now, that's something they just can't tolerate.
>>551335Only if theyre from Chechnia.
>>551351They did this on purpose, but it is unclear if their move will work our for them. It's too early to tell. America also provoked China again the day before yesterday. So maybe they're cocky and satisfied with their results.
We'll have to see how the EU reacts to the sanctions.
>>551405When I said "they" I was talking about liberals, I should have mentioned it.
Russia has destroyed their plans for the next century, this is as important as the 1917 revolution in geopolitical terms, the world will change from now on and I'm ready to welcome that with open sfms
>>551394eh, yeah. it wasn't that bad though. LatAm was disappointing but basically absent/abstain is pretty much the pussy way of voting with Russia. So if you comine them with the No's, a lot of the global south went with Russia here, and weak LatAm govs have to always worry about defying the US.
Also the entire point of the UN is basically:
>never invade anyoneeverything else is window dressing, so it's hard to make a No vote here.
>>551397True. Good post.
I wonder if libs will start researching about the fucking history of this shit and will finally see it from the anti-NATO perspective. Western exceptionalism is insanely strong, so who knows. My friends are beginning to understand that the issue isn't black or white as they originally thought. But it's hard to tell if it's because I've been pushing a counter narrative or because they figured it out on their own.
So you know the big talking point a few days ago of the Babi Yar Memorial being hit by Rsussian fire? Guess what? Completely fabricated.
https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/sky0frhg5Even the TV tower is still standing.
>>551429I would guess linking up with Transistria and then making their way to meet the southwards-pushing forces coming out of the area near Kiev in the middle
That would effectively cut off all of Ukraine's major industry and agriculture
>>551391If nukes are a gigantic psyop, then how do you explain
spins wheel… the "atomic sunrises" seen by millions of people for hundreds of miles in both the USA and USSR?
>>551432Been more of a Mussorgksy and Rimsky-Korsakov fan if we're going for Tsarist Russian composers
Khachaturian, Prokofiev and Shostakovich exist too in Soviet times
>Ukrainian boxers Oleksandr Usyk and Vasiliy Lomachenko are childhood friends. They grew up dreaming of fighting their way to fame and glory, and together they conquered the world with their fists…>But now they are facing a very different fight – an existential one – for the very future of their country. Since Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24, Usyk and Lomachenko have traveled into Ukraine, taken up arms and joined the territorial defense battalion.>Speaking via a video link from a basement in Kyiv, Usyk exclusively told CNN that it's not just invading forces he needs to look out for, but looters as well. He says that he's prepared to take a life, if necessary.>"If they will want to take my life, or the lives of my close ones, I will have to do it," he said. "But I don't want that. I don't want to shoot, I don't want to kill anybody, but if they will be killing me, I will have no choice."…>Their manager told CNN that he didn't know they were thinking of taking up arms until they had already signed up for the defense battalion. Former world boxing champions, Vitali – who is also the Mayor of Kyiv – and Wladimir Klitschko, have also taken up arms in defense of their nation.https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/02/sport/oleksandr-usyk-ukraine-russia-invasion-boxing-spt-intl/index.htmlseveral of the best boxers in the world are out there facing off with the russian military. crazy. i hope usyk and loma come out ok, but wouldn't mind seeing the kadyrov boys behead the klitschko's in maidan square on live tv.
Kinda interesting that Le Pen binned some pro-Putin campaign literature. Feels like the contradictions between fascists and right-wing parties across Europe are only going to become more heightened as a result of this war, with some of the fence-sitting groups on the Russia-Ukraine issue becoming more Europhiliac, knowing that's where all the money is going to be.
Also looking at this article:
https://www.illiberalism.org/unexpected-friendships-cooperation-of-ukrainian-ultra-nationalists-with-russian-and-pro-kremlin-actors/It's a general overview of the map of far-right parties & paramilitaries inside Ukraine, and their contradictory relationships with other ultranationalists in Russia & Europe who should be nominally opposed to them. What's particularly interesting is that Svoboda used to be very closely affiliated with Yuschenko's Party of Regions before they participated in the Euromaidan. There's a common theme of centrist parties cynically allying with far-right elements for short-term political gains, which in the long run ended up legitimizing ultranationalism and giving them the opportunities to later seize real power under Poroshenko.
>>551490>thereforFunny.
V*ush makes that mispelling all the time too. Hmmm.
>>551497Hahahaha that's pretty funny.
>>551461hahahahhaahhahahaha the kremlins gremlin
Omg hahahahhah
Have you guys seen this?
The Russian state-owned news agency RIA Novosti accidentally published an article that was written in the case of a Russian victory in the war against Ukraine. Super interesting to read:
https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.htmlThe article also spoke of a historical destiny for Russia, i.e. its mission to "gather the Russian world." It referred to Ukrainians as "Little Russians" and claimed that Putin had tackled the "solution of the Ukrainian question."
So Putin is a full on irredentist huh?
>>551516all of the relevant political left with strong anti-imperialist tendencies is standing with ukraine and hecking wholesome NATO
t. eurocuck
>>551517Yes. From yesterdays Adwa celebration, celebrating victory over the Italians.
Getachew Reda(spokesman for TPLF) had a decent diss track for Abiy.
>>551517Yeah lol
Battle of Adwa celebration, Ethiopia got weapons from Russia to fight against Italy
>>551520In Spain they outright compared Ukraine with the Second Republic and because of that we can't "do what the british and french people did, not sending weapons to the republic".
This is the justification they gave to give weapons to Ukraine, an actual nazi-run state.
This woman is supposedly in the Communist Party of Spain, which isn't even a political party anymore as it has been absorbed into Unidas Podemos.
>>551486Okay this is too much
I call the limit on hurting the feelings of cats
NATO MUST GO
SAVE RUSKIE CAT
>>551526The PCE at the start of democracy joined with a lot of other organizations in order to form Izqueirda Unida "United Left" (which is a combination of parties, from the PCE to some nationalist retarded "we're actually left guys I swear" parties), this party, then, was overshadowed by Podemos during the early 2010's and then decided to join Podemos, which pretty much means that Podemos absorbed Izquierda Unida, which had already absorbed the PCE.
And this woman is supposedly from the Communist Party of Spain and outright supporting Ukraine against Russia.
>>551520>>551524Fucking kill me.
Now I see how communists of before held anti-communist positions.
>>551545Anti-revisionism is when you dogmatically adhere to your shit reading of marxist texts.
Sounds anti-communist to me.
>>551537How are they not political parties anymore? Are they paid opposition now? toothless
Some people say that about the Communist Party of India just for participating in bourgeois elections
But I assume this situation is different since this commie party seems to have been absorbed and overshadowed by weak left parties
>>815600Having a trash understanding of the situation based on propaganda mixed with ultra leftism (a strain of liberalism) and moralism leads one to shit anti-communist positions.
>>551555Ok trotsky, whatever you say.
>>551557>But I assume this situation is different since this commie party seems to have been absorbed and overshadowed by weak left partiesThe civil war killed most of the hard-line communists of the PCE, and the ones that survived were the first to become Euro-Communists. In fact, the leader of the PCE at the time, Santiago Carrillo, straight out gave away the identity of communists inside of Francoist Spain because they didn't share the view he had on Eurocommunism.
This is the reason why there are like 50 communist parties in Spain, because all of them splitted, some way or the other, from the PCE because of the absolutely retarded position they had.
>>551548They went into a confidence and supply to boot out the austerity gang and then got hammered at the next election for refusing to play ball again without lifting restrictions on trade unions
>>815600Standing with the proletariat by arming the volkssturm
>>551558>SEE?!?! We throw children and elderly at you, Russians! We have flag-waving hordes assault your tanks with bare fists, we don't want to be Russia!!!1Funny how Kharkovites were literally sending Shariy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzPuoZGnPUw on live stream Ukrop positions for Russian troops to shoot at yesterday. Liberation comes, and Ukraine WILL get denazified.
>>551564 (me)
Which makes it really fucking funny, cause the only countries that supported the republic were the Soviet Union and Mexico (and mexico because their communist party straight out would start another revolutionary war if the goverment didn't do anything).
>>551565>which is why the Ukrainian army and government didn't collapse immediately like the Russians were hopingDude, Russia immediately tried to go for negotiations ON THE FIRST FUCKING DAY. That's their basic strategy, to force Zelensky to officially surrender. Who were they to negotiate with if government collapses?
Next. Ukrainians ARE supporting Russian troops
>>551567 >>551562Its no so much the de-nazification. That is Putin propaganda.
There is a grain of truth, since the goals of Putin imply denazification, but it is NOT the goal.
It's hard to have a nuanced position when even western communists are supporting the heinious actions of the Ukraine government putting civilians into the meat grinder and mentioning only in passing NATOs role in this.
>>551572>Who were they to negotiate with if government collapses? Nobody, they would just occupy the country without opposition and set up whatever government they saw fit.
>Ukrainians ARE supporting Russian troopsI'm sure some are, but I see nothing to indicate that these are the majority.
>>551564That's fucking sick man
I'm scared of joining a party because of shit like this, Getting ratted out to fascists
At least in the third world country I live in, it seems possible
>>551568What republic? Sorry I'm not to well read on history, i know there was some fascist thing happening in spain with the name and party of francois but that's all I know
>>551565Only because they were fed an anticommunist and anti Russian diet ever since the fall of the Soviet Union
Quite similar to how USA dropped jihadis children books all over Afghanistan in 1980s to make them radical islamists
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2002/03/23/from-us-the-abcs-of-jihad/d079075a-3ed3-4030-9a96-0d48f6355e54/The Ukrainian nation is a questionable subject as to if it even exists. The people on the landmass of the Ukraine state have switched sides a hundred times in the last 200 years.
It's as nebulous a nation as another flashpoint, the Uyghurs in Xinjiang (who have their origins in a stranded Turkish army who invaded China)
The current specific form of Ukrainian identity is basically a CIA psy op'ed anti-russian sentiment which is completely against their own national interest. When Ukraine and Russia work together their economies synergise
For that reason, fuck Ukraine Crimea river
I'd rather Russia extinguish the current Ukraine state and rebuild a new one that isn't the world base of international neonazism
>>551578>Only because they were fed an anticommunist and anti Russian diet ever since the fall of the Soviet UnionThat obviously isn't true, since the Ukrainian Communist Party remained one of the largest political organizations in the country all through the 2000s. Moreover you people need to make up your mind. Are Ukrainians victims of an undemocratic Nazi coup or does their current government actually reflect the sentiments of the population? These two things can't both be true.
>The Ukrainian nation is a questionable subject as to if it even exists.It wasn't questionable for the Bolsheviks, and I take their position.
>>551453My god. Is word politics just a stupid board game for liberals? Is nuclear anihilation just a card you flip on the table of world politics?
These motherfuckers are WACK.
Also, never trust people with profile pics like the last tweet. In my experience they are always "cute uwu they/them human rights AOC" bloodthirsty anti-communist war mongerers.
>>815627Watch the video
>>551576Lmao
>>551586>showing an intent to do diplomacy is just a ploy action which means nothingReal world doesn't work like poorly written fantasy books, you know?
>>551587>says will do denazification and will do denazification, but that's not the real reason!This sounds retarded.
>>551578>Quite similar to how USA dropped jihadis children books all over AfghanistanWHAT HE FUCK
I hate the us
>>551585That's a false comparison.
A more accurate comparison would be that the US was saying they were invading Afghanistan to get rid of the taliban/islamic terrorism. Removing the taliban was going to be a side effect of them installing a "liberal democracy". I don't have to spell out what a "liberal democracy" means for the US.
>>551600>epic performance of the Russian army I keep hearing this, but i don't see what is the russian army failing at. I think this is american propaganda.
Or maybe just brainlets so used to american type of warfare that they really think is normal to make tabula rasa of everything they have infront of them
>>551602>Americans invaded Afghanistan not for women's rights, for fuck's sake. Yeah that's my point lmao. Russia didn't invade Ukraine for denazification either.
>And they didn't even improve it, they just got a couple of middle class female professionalsThat's still an improvement over the first period of Taliban rule. They also legalized education for women, which was previously banned.
>>551609>It's cloak and dagger information warfare stuffThat's fantasy books' mind games, you dumb fuck. That's not real life.
>If you think you can get an idea of what state actors do or want by reading their anouncements without further analysis you're naive.Gee, I wonder why markets react to official statements, then. All those people must be dumb, and instead of official statements we should just like guess inside Putin's brain :^)
>>551441They're literally banning tchaikovsky now.
my local theater banned russian ballet
>>551578>It's as nebulous a nation as another flashpoint, the Uyghurs in Xinjiang (who have their origins in a stranded Turkish army who invaded China) I disagree with this. The Uyghurs are clearly a nation as it pertains to the wider China. Most big countries are multi-national. So this doesn't mean that Uhygur separatism is justified per se. I'm with the zapatistas on this, whatever the country, many worlds (nations) will exist, what we want is a world where all worlds fit.
Ukraine is multi-national, or bi-national, with russians being the largest but minority nation. That said, I agree that the distinction is highly nebulous comparded to, say, the Uhygurs.
Also Russia has many nations. I don't even know what the Russian nation is, nor how they see themselves.
>>551615Again, shit comparison.
America giving women rights in afganistan is not even a means to an end, nor an ends to a mean. And it didnt even pan out, nor did they really care.
Putin denazifying is a means to an end.
A better comparison is America killing the taliban. Means to an end.
>>551635Didn't know the guy had had a time machine lmao.
(For context Dostoevsky had been dead for decades by the time Putin was born)
>>551639ANYONE WHO RUNS IS A VC
ANYONE WHO STANDS STILL IS A WELL-DISCIPLINED VC
>>551642Imagine if there's a worker revolution in Russia to stop this war
"noooo I didn't mean that, stop it!"
The president of Croatia just called out NATO and the whole west
https://www.facebook.com/100008090673241/videos/515181426642512/?t=269Incredibly based. He is saying about whose idea it was to push Ukraine for NATO? Russia had legitimate and grave concerns about this and they are a nuclear superpower - and some of the politicians are calling to war against a nuclear superpower. What is going on.
Translation of
>>551518A new world is being born before our eyes. Russia's military operation in Ukraine has ushered in a new era - and in three dimensions at once. And of course, in the fourth, internal Russian. Here begins a new period both in ideology and in the very model of our socio-economic system - but this is worth talking about separately a little later.
Russia is restoring its unity - the tragedy of 1991, this terrible catastrophe in our history, its unnatural dislocation, has been overcome. Yes, at a great cost, yes, through the tragic events of a virtual civil war, because now brothers, separated by belonging to the Russian and Ukrainian armies, are still shooting at each other, but there will be no more Ukraine as anti-Russia. Russia is restoring its historical fullness, gathering the Russian world, the Russian people together - in its entirety of Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians. If we had abandoned this, would have allowed the temporary division to take hold for centuries, then we would not only betray the memory of our ancestors, but would also be cursed by our descendants - for allowing the disintegration of the Russian land.
The first would always be the complex of a divided people, the complex of national humiliation - when the Russian house first lost part of its foundation (Kiev), and then was forced to come to terms with the existence of two states, not one, but two peoples. That is, either to abandon their history, agreeing with the insane versions that "only Ukraine is the real Russia," or to gnash one's teeth helplessly, remembering the times when "we lost Ukraine." Returning Ukraine, that is, turning it back to Russia, would be more and more difficult with every decade - recoding, de-Russification of Russians and inciting Ukrainian Little Russians against Russians would gain momentum. And in the event of the consolidation of the full geopolitical and military control of the West over Ukraine, its return to Russia would become completely impossible - it would have to fight for it with the Atlantic bloc.
Now this problem is gone - Ukraine has returned to Russia. This does not mean that its statehood will be liquidated, but it will be reorganized, re-established and returned to its natural state of part of the Russian world. Within what boundaries, in what form will the alliance with Russia be consolidated (through the CSTO and the Eurasian Union or the Union State of Russia and Belarus)? This will be decided after the end is put in the history of Ukraine as anti-Russia. In any case, the period of the split of the Russian people is coming to an end.
And here begins the second dimension of the coming new era - it concerns Russia's relations with the West. Not even Russia, but the Russian world, that is, three states, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, acting in geopolitical terms as a single whole. These relations have entered a new stage - the West sees the return of Russia to its historical borders in Europe. And he is loudly indignant at this, although in the depths of his soul he must admit to himself that it could not be otherwise.
Did someone in the old European capitals, in Paris and Berlin, seriously believe that Moscow would give up Kyiv? That the Russians will forever be a divided people? And at the same time when Europe is uniting, when the German and French elites are trying to seize control of European integration from the Anglo-Saxons and assemble a united Europe? Forgetting that the unification of Europe became possible only thanks to the unification of Germany, which took place according to the good Russian (albeit not very smart) will. To swipe after that also on Russian lands is not even the height of ingratitude, but of geopolitical stupidity. The West as a whole, and even more so Europe in particular, did not have the strength to keep Ukraine in its sphere of influence, and even more so to take Ukraine for itself. In order not to understand this, one had to be just geopolitical fools.
More precisely, there was only one option: to bet on the further collapse of Russia, that is, the Russian Federation. But the fact that it did not work should have been clear twenty years ago. And already fifteen years ago, after Putin's Munich speech, even the deaf could hear - Russia is returning.
Now the West is trying to punish Russia for the fact that it returned, for not justifying its plans to profit at its expense, for not allowing the expansion of the western space to the east. Seeking to punish us, the West thinks that relations with it are of vital importance to us. But this has not been the case for a long time - the world has changed, and this is well understood not only by Europeans, but also by the Anglo-Saxons who rule the West. No amount of Western pressure on Russia will lead to anything. There will be losses from the sublimation of confrontation on both sides, but Russia is ready for them morally and geopolitically. But for the West itself, an increase in the degree of confrontation incurs huge costs - and the main ones are not at all economic.
Europe, as part of the West, wanted autonomy - the German project of European integration does not make strategic sense while maintaining the Anglo-Saxon ideological, military and geopolitical control over the Old World. Yes, and it cannot be successful, because the Anglo-Saxons need a controlled Europe. But Europe needs autonomy for another reason as well — in case the States go into self-isolation (as a result of growing internal conflicts and contradictions) or focus on the Pacific region, where the geopolitical center of gravity is moving.
But the confrontation with Russia, into which the Anglo-Saxons are dragging Europe, deprives the Europeans of even the chances of independence - not to mention the fact that in the same way Europe is trying to impose a break with China. If now the Atlanticists are happy that the "Russian threat" will unite the Western bloc, then in Berlin and Paris they cannot fail to understand that, having lost hope for autonomy, the European project will simply collapse in the medium term. That is why independent-minded Europeans are now completely uninterested in building a new iron curtain on their eastern borders - realizing that it will turn into a corral for Europe. Whose century (more precisely, half a millennium) of global leadership is over in any case - but various options for its future are still possible.
Because the construction of a new world order - and this is the third dimension of current events - is accelerating, and its contours are more and more clearly visible through the spreading cover of Anglo-Saxon globalization. The multipolar world has finally become a reality - the operation in Ukraine is not capable of rallying anyone but the West against Russia. Because the rest of the world sees and understands perfectly well - this is a conflict between Russia and the West, this is a response to the geopolitical expansion of the Atlanticists, this is Russia's return of its historical space and its place in the world.
China and India, Latin America and Africa, the Islamic world and Southeast Asia - no one believes that the West leads the world order, much less sets the rules of the game. Russia has not only challenged the West, it has shown that the era of Western global domination can be considered completely and finally over. The new world will be built by all civilizations and centers of power, naturally, together with the West (united or not) - but not on its terms and not according to its rules.
Contrary to the copers and Nato-stans the war is going very well for day 7
<The goals were:
< complete take the Eastern and Southern part of the country, which was already begging to be annexed <To take Kharkiv <To take Kiev
<The first thing is pretty much done, and only the second thing has really hit a snag. The third thing hasn’t really gotten started yet, as the city is still in the process of being surrounded.https://www.unz.com/aanglin/the-war-seems-to-be-going-quite-well-actually/40000 ukronazi soldiers surrounded in the Donbass cauldron. Hopefully they surrender instead of forcing the Russians hands to annihilate them (so they can be used as forced labour to rebuild the Donbass)
That Nato faggot that was saying the war was going badly, can you restate that plz so I can screen cap this at the 2 week mark? ty
>>551651why did you skip the third paragraph
Vladimir Putin has assumed, without a drop of exaggeration, a historic responsibility by deciding not to leave the solution of the Ukrainian question to future generations. After all, the need to solve it would always remain the main problem for Russia - for two key reasons. And the issue of national security, that is, the creation of anti-Russia from Ukraine and an outpost for the West to put pressure on us, is only the second most important among them.
>>551638>Putin denazifying is a means to an end.A better comparison is America killing the taliban. Means to an end.
Fair enough, but the Americans didn't fight the Taliban because they had any real issue with their ideology. The same is true of Putin and Azov.
>>551678People here are childishly naive, holy shit
>Why would Putin say the goal is to denazify Ukraine if that isn’t the actual goal!?Honestly wouldn’t expect less from the vulgar nationalist retards on leftist /pol/
>>551707Nah much quicker than that.
Once the 40,000 Ukro-nazis in the Donbass cauldron (effectively surrounded just waiting on pincer to close) are either slaughtered or paraded in chains military command will collapse and so will Ukraine as a State
>>551704Oh, another chauvinist simping for a regional imperialist power
>Waaaahhhh why won’t you simp for muh Russian strongmanHonestly, being truly honest
I don’t fucking care when Europeans die, the lives of crackers are worth literally nothing to me, Africans don’t care, the only Asians that care are simps like the Nips, even Mexico told the West to fuck itself
The problem is so-called “Marxists” simping for bourgeois imperialists and demanding I do the same, I don’t give a fuck about your cynical and pointless game of geopolitics as if who you “side with” means a damn fucking thing aside from how many normies you successfully alienate and how much more you push yourself into reactionary nationalism
>>551695It requires login :/.
No worries the summary was good enough.
>>551680I didn't but I read someone here did and commented it had no communist points.
>>551697Someone posted a telegram channel in previous threads that are about debunking exclusively. The link started with web.telegram. so maybe that will help you find it.
>>551706Then don't make bad comparisons that downplay American insane genocides.
"means to an end" is a good enough phrase to explain denazification, no?
>>551710Ive heard that these lads have killed AZOV battalion members, hanging them in forrests.
At the same time, they’re also fighting against Russia trying to annex their home and place it under Putin’s control.
I hope this is true, because at least these lads would set the example that these fuckin’ Agent Kochinskiites need to see.
>>551721Not “psycho”
Euroids and Yankees have killed millions of MENA people in 20 years and none of their citizens cared
So why should I care?
>>551723The majority of people are one of those two, and I mean, I get that people here secretly despise the masses and truly want leftism to just be some pathetic subculture full of resentful losers endlessly fantasizing about the past and wanting reactionary capitalist states to fight your battles for you, but I’m not like that 🤷🏾♂️
> While Marx/Engels/Lenin and Stalin supported combinations of: Irish Nationalism/Polish Nationalism/Afghanistan nationalism and Egyptian nationalism <And since Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Stalin supported independence of colonized nations from their imperial oppressors, that is why I support the independent right of Russia with its massive army, massive economy, and imperial ambitions to exert its will on Ukraine and further penetrate its economy The people that call themselves Marxists here are genuinely retarded holy shit 😂😂😂
>>551732At least I’m honest
It’s not like anyone here and especially you Putin simps give half a fuck about “human life”
After all, you celebrate this war and pretend like it isn’t thousands if not millions of proles that will be made to suffer
>>551735>>551734Kind of in agreement here. These lads are based, but I’m cynical if they’ll win this fight. God bless them for at least doing something.
Here’s hoping, lads.
>>551737>Vicious cycle<Muh Ottomans I know math is difficult for you Euroids, but there’s a massive, MASSIVE difference between wars that have occurred for the past 20 years and ended less than a year ago, vs. an empire that collapsed 100 years ago
>>551742Says the one that’s been celebrating a war for, what, a week?
Simps for a regional imperialist in an invasion? People that lie to themselves don’t deserve eyes, it seems like a fitting punishment for a funny crime
>>551745Aggressive retardation if you think I take “sides” in this worthless little bourg war
I’m not a vulgar chauvinist like the fucktards here
>>551739Oh cool. I switched to desktop mode on my mobile browser and it worked. Thanks friend.
>>551743Agreed.
>>551744Silence, genocidal gringo. You're fucking sick in the head. Hilarious how you say you speak for the browns. Actually come to a brown area. We don't hate gringos, we only despise the colonial mindset and smug superiority and self importance you project.
>>551736If human life were genuinely your concern (it's not, perpetuation of Western imperialism is and your fear of being proletarianised and the anxiety of the end of empire) you would condemn Ukraine being turned into a neonazi camp for the past 20 years whilst the IMF fed off the ukrainian people who were sold into the sex trade and were waging war against the ethnic Russians in the east
So your objection is not to war (war was going on for 8 years) but to the Other settling this war on terms favourable to itself (and to the world proletariat)
>>551748Best would unironically be a worker’s revolution in each country, second would be the independence of the separatist republics, third would have been Russia just defending the separatist republics as they claimed they wanted to
The thing is, this war isn’t at all about the independence of LPR and DPR, it’s pretty clearly about the geostrategic interests of Russia and it’s struggle with NATO, from Russia’s perspective its actions are an absolutely legitimate move to stem a future threat; the thing is, the moves of all involved parties of all imperialist nations in struggles like this pretty much are always legitimate, since capitalism is a life and death struggle and the competing blocs truly do want to destroy each other, the same was true in the previous state of imperialist competition, the world wars ended with the losing imperialist faction being outright destroyed, and yet Lenin didn’t give support to the losers anyway
>>551749Literally any reason to assume I’m white?
Is it because you can’t comprehend brown people using lefty/pol/, or because you think brown and black people are supposed to have some stereotypical speech pattern you see in American media?
I’m an American black of Caribbean descent
>>551750“Look forward to”
Lol nope
Just don’t care when Europeans choose to kill each other, sorry if that upsets you
<Oh no, you should be crying about people that turned MENA into rubble and turned to fascism when refugees appeared from the warsLmao
>>551751So is it that you think I wasn’t focused on and discussing Ukraine before or that if you’re discussing it now you couldn’t have been discussing it before?
Because “If you oppose Russia’s current actions it is impossible to have opposed NATO’s previous and current actions” is such a bizarre and retarded take I keep seeing from “communist” Putin simps that need to justify why they’re so gung-ho about an imperialist invasion to defend Russian interests with spurious justifications
Especially funny to have the two sides of crocodile tears thrown at me
Euroids crying that I don’t care about them or their problems after 20 years of NATO’s imperialist wars
Putin simps crying that I side with NATO because I won’t celebrate this bourg invasion by a regional hegemon with them
>>551753Kinda funny how you people twist me saying I don’t really care about the lives of Europeans to me wanting to “genocide” Europeans
Europeans literally don’t care about the lives of Arabs, Africans, or Asians; they literally didn’t care about them while their governments were executing them for the majority of my life, but I won’t say Europeans were “genocidal”
>>551752If Russia starts succeeding, I suspect they will increase sanctions. Maybe random terrorist attacks.
I wonder if Russia and China partly coordinated on this. I would be pissed if I were China and they didn't. It's a huge shift in the balance of global politics and economics.
Or maybe the Chinese government had already anticipated this scenario and accounted for it in their planning. If so, man those communists are amazing.
>>551761>>551757Got it, thanks.
>>551759Fucking retard. I know you're not white. It's obvious from all your american race realist ideology you slobber all over.
You try to speak for the periphery, for the non-burger peoples of the world, but your message is ENTIRELY chauvinist and American centric.
Before you are black, you are first and foremost an american brainpoisoned with retarded american ideology. So shut the fuck up, gringo. You're scum, and your opinions are trash. Take your yankee colonial guilt and stick it up your urethra.
>>551769If you’re going to quote me then do it correctly
> Kinda funny how you people twist me saying I don’t really care about the lives of Europeans to me wanting to “genocide” EuropeansParaphrasing to twist somebody’s words won’t work when you can scroll up past about five posts to see what the person actually said
>>551767>In Russia a lot of people talk about possibility of false-flag terrorist attacks that then will be blamed on Ukrainians.I mean, considering the fuck ton of weapons and explosives the US and the EU is giving to Ukraine, which go directly to the hands of far right militias, these types of terrorist attacks won't be only on Russia, it will be all accross Europe.
Expect to see some european president, be it Italy, or Greece, or France itself, getting assasinated in the near future. And if you're in a communist party/organization and having a protest or manifestation, look everywhere cause there might be some far-right nutjob with his ukrainian Kalashnikov ready to open fire. In fact I wouldn't doubt for a second that a new age of pistolerism (this is, far-right nutjobs being paid to kill syndicalist leaders) is coming.
Europe is going to have /pol/jaks come out of the woodworks like in America. Welcome to History once again.
>>551759>Best would unironically be a worker’s revolution in each country, second would be the independence of the separatist republics, third would have been Russia just defending the separatist republics as they claimed they wanted toPlease notice I said
viable.
And I know Putin has no noble goals whatsoever, but he has an understandable goal, which is simply to prevent NATO expansion. Let's not forget that the organization entire point is to simply end Russia, regardless of who's at its helm. If he himself was actively aiming to expand Russia, this invasion would have happened a lot sooner. Hell, a lot of its other neighborss would have been invaded before Ukraine.
So this seems to be the least worst resolution. NATO simply did not let it de-escalate, so the longer this took, the worse would be the struggle. It sucks, but pragmatically, a sound Russian victory here is the best scenario.
>>551466>>551471>>551500I'm done. After seeing the rabid fanatic Cuckrainian nationalism for years, the NPC anticommunism, Burger worshipping, the blatant misinformation campaign since the war started, them proudly filming themselves commiting warcrimes, the "saboteur" lynchings, using their own citizens as shields etc., I have lost all my remaining sympathy for Cuckrainians. My kneejerk reaction to Putin's imperialist invasion was denunciation. But now, I hope he fucking obliterates this abomination of a disgusting nation. I still do not buy the "denazification" claim by Putin, but he may inadvertently destroy many fascists through warfare anyway. Hopefully the Russian armed forced are thorough. Kiev, Kharkov, Mariupol should look like fucking Grozny after the battle.
Death to Cuckraine!Just for fun, I may consider vandalising some structures with the "Z" markings for trolling in my city.
>>551773Keep projecting, gringo.
Anything you say about europeans, applies ten fold to you. European politics has been dominated by American interests ever since the second world war.
If we follow your logic, your black gringo hands are drenched with the blood of every crime against humanity commited by the imperial core.
Your Yankee Exceptionalism blames everyone except the culprit. As per fucking usual.
>>551777>Literally just another European spewing out “gringo” and pretending like his own shithole is innocentLmao not gonna play the “who is worse” game with yet another pathetic European blaming random Yankees for his own government being cucked to America’s
>APOLOGIZE FOR TAKING HEGEMONIC IMPERIALISM AWAY FROM US!No bitch, you did that to yourselves with the world wars and gladly slaughtered GS people ever since anyway, you pretend like America has you as a colony to justify your gleeful participation in imperialist crimes, it’s fucking disgusting and rat-like
(american exceptionalism, historical revisonism, calling for genocide ) >>551759>second would be the independence of the separatist republics, third would have been Russia just defending the separatist republics as they claimed they wanted toAnd the only way to do that is to prevent Ukraine from a starting a wider conflict by joining NATO, which you are acting ignorant of.
>Just don’t care when Europeans choose to kill each other, sorry if that upsets youNeither Russians nor Ukrainians had anything to do with the west's adventures in the 3rd world, I'm not sure why you're putting them in the same category as Americans and Brits.
>>551784Part of convo:
>Are you a relative?<No.>>551785The captured guy's surname is Zelensky. The Russian guy found it hilarious of course.
>>551794Don't worry.
The 3rd partition of Poland came after Poland partitioned Czechoslovakia with the Nazis and the Hungarians.
It's gonna happen sooner or later, do not worry.
>>551793The post was more meant to address everyone, who was against refugees before this war, because "brown people bad", not the Poolish in particular, though they are the most guilty of it.
>>551795This ^ obviously, but unfortunetely everybody is too stupid to understand concepts such as cause and effect – let alone dialectical materialism. Instead everyone here is in bloody warfever. Stupid white savages.
>>551808I used to think this way too. But at some point people have to take their own responsibility for being gullible idiots, who were complacent in this at best or even worshipped the West for this exploitation, while they demonise everything to do with the great socialist past.
They had it coming. My sympathy is zero, especially when Cuckrainians have clearly learned nothing from this ordeal and instead double down on this idiocy, by even vandalising a Soviet monument of their host country as fugees.
Fuck'em! Shoot them at the border! They shall feel for once how it is to be an non-white in peril. Maybe,
maybe then they might relearn some empathy for people that went through the same suffering.
Let all foreign students and tourists evacuate though.
>>551731Ukraine has no historical context (since 1991) as an individual sovereign nation but instead a CIA infested, state department political entity aimed at Russia specifically and entire Eurasia generally
I hope what we currently call "Ukraine"gets hacked back to a rump state in the West and the rest of the Ukraine declares independence and the ethnic russians in Ukraine get their right of self determination
Then the EU can deal with a retarded nazi infested failed state on it's borders
Even Southfront is posting about Russian losses
On March 3, on the 8th day of the Russian military operation in Ukraine, the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) managed to achieve several tactical but significant victories over the advancing Russian forces.
Ukrainian forces recaptured the settlement of Bucha north of Irpen on the northwestern outskirts of Kiev. A Ukrainian flag is hoisted over the city council building. Earlier this town had been occupied with heavy fighting by Russian units. Retaking control of Bucha is primarily an important ideological victory for Kiev.
Near Irpen, a column of Russian paratroopers had earlier been defeated. Major General Andrey Sukhovetsky was killed. Sukhovetsky had previously commanded the 7th Airborne Division, and was most recently deputy commander of the 41st Army
Units of the AFU had some success in repulsing attacks by Russian forces in the direction of Mykolaiv. A convoy of Russian military vehicles was destroyed on the outskirts of the city. Bridges across the Southern Bug River, including a railway bridge, were blown up. One of the road bridges on the approach to the village of Kalinovka was blown up as Russian military vehicles passed over it.
The AFU also seized several Russian BMP-3s and a Tiger off-road vehicle near Nikolaev.
The advance of Russian troops on this section of the front was halted.
After the heavy fighting near Vasilievka and the blowing up of bridges there by the AFU, there is no information about the advance of Russian troops in the direction of Zaporizhzhya and beyond.
There are fierce battles for Mariupol. Also there are still pockets of Ukrainian armed forces resistance in Volnovakha.
Around Kharkov, so far the Russians have not been able to neutralize mobile groups of Ukrainian nationalist battalions. These mobile groups carry out raids against Russian supply columns and destroy civilian vehicles thatseek to withdraw from the combat area towards the Russian border.
https://southfront.org/first-significant-victories-of-ukrainian-army/>>551885it's not an alternative, they were literally allies in the war on terror
again, what is the political reason for them suddenly wanting to control russia and using ukraine as a proxy
>>551759No one cares about your opinion
Stop posting
>>551848Putin himself said (back in 2008) he could be in Kiev in 2 weeks
So when 2 weeks passes you can come back to gloat but I'd easily bet you up to $1000 Russia gets some Chicken Kiev by then
>>551818>>551941>>551957India must pull the sigma move and sanction US for daring to think of sanctioning them
Sirs, this is how we will be superpower by 2030
>>551968There's a run on Russian banks right now. Rubble is in the toilet.
>>551967Interesting, but I doubt it will effect the US economy in any real way.
>>551842Fuck the nazis so fucking much. May every single one of them be skinned disolved in acid alive.
Fuck the western enablers.
It fucking boils my blood that their crimes will not be known to the West. Just like their crimes against humanity leading up to this point. Nazis are disgusting vermin, including all the Nazis in NATO, the EU governing body, and each imperial core country's government. Disgusting pigs.
>>552000>And? Russia reinvests its natural resource extraction into keeping prices of goods down.You can't eat oil mate. Russia was already having serious problems domestically before. This is going to make things way worse.
>If these levels of sanctions cannot collapse Venezuela, Cuba, and these other nations - what makes your retard-ass think it will stop Russia, a far bigger and more economically independent country?Because Russia is an autocracy run by Oligarchs. While Venezuela and Cubian governments had popular support and the populous knows their pain is being brought on by US imperialism. Putin did this to Russia, which is why he planned the invasion in secret, even most of Russia's elites were caught by surprise by it.
>>551939You can stop superior army invading with right tactics and mass support. Our communist partizans did that against the Nazi occupier. The sacrifice was huge, but we contributed a lot to defeating the Nazis.
The only difference is that partisans were commies so people enthustiastically joined them, they've been liberated economically because of communist efforts. People won't that easily join some right-wing nationalists who work for oligarchs at best.
>>551842>Mods I'm sincerely sorryIts fine as long as you give ample warning like you did here.
Fuck nazi pigs.
>>552015>You can't eat oil mate. Russia was already having serious problems domestically before. This is going to make things way worse.No, but everyone needs oil, so you trade it for these goods. Further, you leverage its economic power to then foster independent national industry, as every nation under sanctions have. You really are dense.
>Because Russia is an autocracy run by Oligarchs.If a theocracy with low support like Iran manages, Russia will easily do so as well.
>>552019Shut the fuck up, NATO vermin.
The question has been answered a billion times already.
>>815937>Lose most air force>Major formations and cities encircled and cut off from suppliesNazis were convinced they would win even as Berlin was encircled. This is all cope
>>551946No. Let the world see their coping
>815966>>816010ASB posted the vid where they are being shot
>>551990>There's a run on Russian banks right now. Rubble is in the toilet. That just means Russians will stop purchasing Western goods (can no longer afford it) and production and industrialisation will happen at home.
Russia produces the most amount of Engineers in the world and now they're no longer undercut by imperialism and international markets this dynamism will explode
First round of sanctions in 2014 turned Russia into the largest exporter of Wheat. They'll start manufacturing their own microchips as a result of this
+ oil is now at $130 a barrel which benefits Russia immensely and ensures those settlements will happen in Yuan/Rubles or ruppees
>Interesting, but I doubt it will effect the US economy in any real way.US is gonna get skyrocketing inflation as a result of this
<As the United States and Europe ramp up their sanctions on Russia, Western consumers will soon face rising costs.
<That's true even for American consumers, even though relatively few Russian exports reach US shores.
<The higher prices are modest compared to the destruction of life and property in Ukraine. But the price pressures come at a bad time when America's inflation rate is already at a nearly 40-year high. And the pressures on household budgets could undermine broad support for sanctions among the broader population in the West. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/heres-how-sanctions-on-russia-will-actually-cost-you-more/ar-AAUsbVN >>551342In Peru a journo ghoul (for age and thoughs) kept calling Putin a Communist even when the liberal analist kept telling her that Russia is an oligarchy lmao
Also, the media is proUkrop, but I have only seen one note about a russian grandma remembering the ukrop collaborationists
From many days ago, I don't watch tv
>>552015>Russia was already having serious problems It would have been a problems in 2014. But they boosted domestic production, and together with Belarus there is no way to starve Russia. Technological sanctions won't matter either as we will just buy knock-offs from China
Russia is not Afghanistan
>autocracyMeme
>>552015>You can't eat oil mate. Russia was already having serious problems domestically before. This is going to make things way worse.Russia is the largest wheat exporter in the world and the largest exporter of fertiliser in the world
You're dumb as fuck
>>552043surprised they let her speak for that long
american media would've cut the feed the moment she deviated from the narrative
>>552047In the video (taken from car behind the ones in the post) soldiers are pulling people from cars, they resist and soldiers start shooting, and then the driver rushes past them and flees (his car gets hit too)
The soldiers have no indicators they are Russian (white cloth identifiers)
>>552063Not sure, I think they've put a lot of their forces towards getting Azov though
https://twitter.com/oulosP/status/1498672644056666115This thread is where I got the pics and video from, the coast in that area has a lot of Greeks who have also been victims of Azov, and is the source of the Greek story about them being unable to leave.
These Nazi pricks will get the well deserved beating of a lifetime soon.
>>552061Ah, I know which video this is.
This is devastating.
>>552086World to Ukranian MP: you care more about sucking NATOs cock than about how many people die in Ukraine.
check yo'self before y.. ah too late
>>552097 (me)
forgot to add picrel
>>552070>>552072tbh I think these are probably all fake to goad people into doing it
>>552088watch out wide putin, here comes wide poutine
>>552070>>552088This war is for redditors just another consoomer craze and competition for upboats. "Amerifat Luke Skywalker will save Ukrainians from Soviet Darthvader." Consooome! "I am the one, I am Neo(nazi)." Consooome to the mooon!
This should be disgusting to Ukrainians as well.
>>552140When people understand how clean nuclear is it should be a criminal offence to be a "green activist"
That movement has produced nothing but retarded faggots and pedophiles
Hundreds of people die falling off windmills when they're repairing them compared to nuclear (which is usually 0 each year whilst tens of thousands die in the coal industry)
The wind turbines themselves have blades that only last 7 years and then they go into landfills
the size of nuclear energy for a family of 3 would fit behind a steel 3 foot by foot wall (preventing radiation from harming them) and they could store it in their house and that energy would provide 70 years worth
>>552133>climate activists are putinbotsngl tho, green parties in europe are kinda retarded - not just that, insane warmongers and russophobes like Analenna Baerbock also come from their parties.
But that just speaks against the idea that they are propped up by muh Putler.
>>551788>White people were a mistakeDo not use the racism of Western MSM revealing their colors as an excuse for your own racism
>>551842 Да блять, это страшные сволочи
>>551818The trumptards were right:
Biden really is going to destroy america.
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