No.566780[Last 50 Posts]
DARK LULA EDITIONCamaradas, é hora de preparar para a
LUTA DE CLASSES. E lembrem-se: o Nordeste é o nosso verdadeiro país.
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>>1240814 No.566782
RIP BOZO
No.566784
ganhamo
No.566796
O mais triste de tudo é que quem vai se foder nas mãos do Tarcísio vai ser SP capital e o ABC que não votaram no miliciano
No.566798
PUT ME AT THE HEAD OF SECRET POLICE LULA, I'LL MAKE DJERZHINSKY LOOK LIKE A HIPPIE
No.566803
So BRanons, what's the next step? surround the rightoid congress to get Lula's reforms approved?
No.566805
You guys are getting couped fr fr no cap on god
No.566808
>>566805Like bro, we know that for a fact since at least 2019, Bozo stupidity is the only reason it's taking so long.
No.566811
Forgive me for asking this but what are the chances that lula is gonna give free guns to trans people? Im american so i do not know what his opinion is on the protection of the vulnerable
No.566812
>>566811100%. lula will make the government do stuff and, basically, everything will be free
No.566814
>>566811>Forgive me for asking this but what are the chances that lula is gonna give free guns to trans people?Zero. I think he was the one who approved the anti-gun laws but I could be wrong.
No.566818
Cuando es el cambio de mando?
No.566822
is anyone screenshotting rightoid seethe on hispachan or 4chan?
No.566823
Dando risada mandando choões irem pra Cuba.
Aliás, um anão aí mencionou que tem que mandar eles irem pra Miami. Não anão, precisamos de cinismo. Muito mais cinismo. Primeiro, por simples ótica. A ala idiota do Bolsonaro confia nele simplesmente porque ele fala com confiança, sem nutrir qualquer dúvida. Daí você olha pra alguém como o Freixo, que tem a aparência permanente de alguém que acabou de ter seu cachorro atropelado, e fica claro que ele nunca vai ganhar eleição pro executivo. Fora a ótica, há a questão de princípio: devemos tomar tudo deles, até mesmo as piadinhas. É questão de anormalizá-los por completo até eles deixarem de existir.
No.566824
Lula tiene que tirarse una Yeltsin y asediar el parlamento Bolsonarista
No.566831
>>566811He's a gun-grabber, and I can't blame him. In shithole countries like ours, a rise in gun ownership directly correlates with rise in violent crime.
No.566833
>>566823>Aliás, um anão aí mencionou que tem que mandar eles irem pra Miami. Não anão, precisamos de cinismo. Muito mais cinismoManda eles irem para somalia, o pais que seguio o mesma politica economica que eles amam e olha só.
No.566835
>>566824Sería basado pero no se si Lula tenga los huevos para hacer algo asi. La izquierda triunfará decisivamente cuando se vuelva mas antidemocrática que la derecha.
No.566837
>>566811Lula is strict with guns. He hates them. When he was president he banned a lot of ownership of them
No.566842
>>566824He even has the legal mechanism to do that while still being 100% within the boundaries of the constitution, but the media would screech that he's the new HitlerStalinMaoChávez and get him couped.
No.566846
>>566829MUH DIIIIIIIIICK
HEY LULA HIRE ME FOR THE CHECKA AND I'LL USE FACE RECOGNITION SOFTWARE ON ALL THOSE VIDEOS TO PUT LITERALLY EVERY REACTOID UNDER SURVEILLANCE
No.566851
>>566850It started going down all the way back during Temer's term, and the weird thing is, no one seems to know why.
The one thing which actually got better during Bozo's term is something he definitely didn't do.
No.566854
>>566844Thank you, anons.
No.566862
>>566850More to do with Coronavirus and Putting cams on Cops tbh.
No.566864
>>566860Aperta a foice e martelo tão forte que desbloqueia o Mao e ele comessa uma Revolução cultural no primeiro turno de governo.
No.566866
>>566831violent crime is only common because poverty is common. eliminate poverty and you eliminate crime
No.566868
>>566862Crime was down before coronavirus here is a article from February 2020 by AP
https://apnews.com/article/d1bc68ce7af0e62c226f797e01e1ff78 No.566870
O 1500 é um velório maravilhoso
No.566871
>be putin.
>Insist to Bolsonaro that the russian intelligence agency has credible sources that a coup can easily be delivered, and that uou will support them in order to curtail the LGTB jewish-uyghurs communists that want to destroy brazil.
>Bolsonaro does a coup.
>It fails as Bolsonaro was lied to.
>A civil war starts.
>Putin starts sending weapons to Lula.
>Big ass refugee crisis upon America, millions of brazilian getting out.of the country to get into the US.
>Brazil stops producing stuff because of the civil war.
>The price of meat and a lot more food sources go upwards as fuck.
>Everything under heaven is in chaos.
No.566873
>>566831o crime violento só é comum porque a pobreza é comum. eliminar a pobreza causa a eliminação do crime
No.566875
I'm finding way too little salt on Twitter because the bolsonarist profiles are opverwhelmingly bots. Some of you young whippersnappers who knows how to navigate Telegram and the like, please get me pictures, pictures of reactoid tears.
No.566881
>>566866By eliminate crime you mean if everyone wasn't in poverty you believe crime would cease to exist?
This is extremely idealistic if that's what you mean. Or you mean it would just go down?
No.566885
>>566877>unequalitypoverty is a form of inequality
pobreza é uma forma de desigualdade
No.566889
>>566885Sim, eu sei. Mas eu me refiro a um desdobramento específico da pobreza do que só a pobreza por si própria.
No.566891
>>566881>Or you mean it would just go down?it would go down. people don't need to steal to eat if they have what they need.
desceria. as pessoas não têm que roubar para comer se tiverem o que precisam.
No.566894
>>566889tem um ponto de vista justo.
No.566896
How long until bozo starts saying the elections were fake and illegal? Also,
>imagine spending 50 billion dilmabucks and still losing the election
No.566898
>>566896A mtter of hours, honestly.
No.566901
Pelo menos vamos ter o Haddad de volta no ministério da educação
No.566904
>>566901na real talvez seja melhor do que ele como governador de um estado perdido
No.566911
Brazilanons, first of all congrats. Secondly does lula have the balls to purge the Bolsonaristas and avenge what happened in the North East??? If he doesn't do an Acre then Brazil will be an open fascist dictatorship by the end of the decade.
No.566912
Ministério da economia: Ciro Gomes (TOMANDO NO CU)
Ministério da defesa: Rui Costa Pimenta (trotsksita serve pra meter bala em reaça)
ABIN: José Dirceu (pra fazer a reaçada surtar)
GSI: Dilma (idem)
No.566916
>>566911>Secondly does lula have the balls to purge the Bolsonaristas and avenge what happened in the North East???what are you talking about
No.566920
>>566911He most definitely doesn't. If by some miracle he does do it, it will be the most successful case of hiding one's power level since Napoleon.
No.566922
>>566916Bozo used the Highway police to enact blockades to stop people voting.
No.566926
>>566920Well, Chavez hid his power level
No.566928
>>566918qual é o nome da musica
No.566930
>>566922Cheka'd and shit like this should make it clear as day that the left will start winning consistently when we become more antidemocratic than the right.
No.566935
>>566933DILE LULAAAAAAA
ASA AL MACACO DE BOZO
No.566938
Pink tide in full swing
Petro 🤝Lula
Let's play loud music and drink until dawn
No.566945
>>566938One of these days i'm going to Colômbia because you people seem a lot of fun.
USA_Israel_flags_burning.mp4
No.566947
>>566926The thing is, Lula already was in power and he was the most docile cucked lefty ever. So before hiding his power level, he has to
actually have grown a power level in the meantime. It's extremely unlikely obviously, but if he does anything even remotely like it I'll literally kneel and worship him.
HEY LULA I'M AVIALBALE FOR CHEKA WORK AT VERY MODEST RATES
No.566953
>>566942>>566944Que delíca porraaaaa.
A diferença pros gringos chorando quando o Trump rodou é nula.
No.566955
>>566951Meme reaça fetichizando pedofilia e estupro de indígenas aqui não
No.566958
>>566930unfortunately the left is under the American spell that is called "Muh democracy" AKA; Let the right do whatever it wants and the left needs to compromise, we also control 99% of the centers of information dissemination and will control the views of the masses as we want and hide it behind neutrality.
No.566960
>>566947and yet shitlibs believe he's Mao reborn
>Any defeat if the lavajato crime scheme is great lol No.566966
>>566960the only retards upset that he isn't Mao are neckbeard ultras and gringos
No.566970
>>566968Esse meme é nojento
No.566972
>>566968Esse cara é @narco nível coyote/canceladores kkk
No.566976
All the right-wing shit that floated up the manure in the last half of the 2010s is coming apart. I have been waiting so long for this. Well done Brazilbros, even if it was closer in the end than expected.
No.566982
>>566951Tem outras Kuruminhas anão?
No.566989
>Soltaram Barrabás. Já vimos isso antes. A redenção vem em breve.
No.566990
>br girl i follow shows booty in celebration
thanks lvla
C0000000000M
No.566992
>>566979https://1500chan.org/It'll show you a fake 404 page when you first visit, so you'll have to enter the following:
>Anônimo>Eu sei usar acentuação e pontuação.Or just use the user script:
https://salmaochan.org/pastebin/view/7f1e9570Haven't figured out 27chan yet.
No.566998
>>566780surprised how close it was, perhaps Bolsonaro had an incumbency bias
No.567002
>>566992>salmaochan.orgCuma?
No.567008
>>566990>>567000>>567006You
WILL get a big booty gf under Lula's government, and you
WILL enjoy it.
No.567010
Só to lendo enxurrada de comentários de ódio contra o NE no Twitter
No.567014
How to use the election to fuck Brazilian women in miami?
No.567015
Lula's already making the old speech about uniting and mending wounds
FUCK YOU I WANT TO MAKE WOUNDS FOR A CHANGE
No.567017
>>567002Nah, just some guy who documents imageboards.
No.567019
>>567015i don't trust these speeches, his governance will show if he's gonna do the typical cuck conciliation.
No.567023
>>567014Do you really wanna put your dick in gusanitas
No.567025
>>567014why would you want to stick you dick in gusanas
No.567027
>>567015Lula is just the cover. Alckmin is the true Leninist.
No.567029
>>567014Please fuck our women.
No.567038
>>566881It really isn’t. Look at statistics on rich areas and crime statistics. Compare it to richer nations which have less inequality.
No.567045
Given the disappointment that the election of Chile's and Colombia's leftist presidents were, is this new pink tide going to end up the same as the one before?
No.567048
>>567034I don't give two fucks about gusanas, rightoid women are fast as rightoid men to whore out for Americans.
No.567050
>>567014looks like there are crazy parties in the streets tonight in most major brazilian cities. could be one in Miami, doubt you'll score tho
No.567054
>>567045There's also Arce and AMLO, who imo have been pretty decent prezs.
Not saying Lula will _necessarily_ be like them, but hey, there's a possibilty, i guess.
No.567060
>>567045nah Petro is based
No.567063
>>567058Fuck these grifters. They don't give a fuck about multipolarity, just right-wing idpol.
No.567070
>>567058can we just call them pazis?
No.567075
>>567070Patsies is already a real word
No.567081
>>567079Fug, forgot to quote
>>567069 No.567083
>>567034Brasileira é bem puta para ser bem sincero. Mas apoio completamente.
No.567085
>>566972incel filho da puta vá pra debaixo da terra
No.567087
Eles usaram de toda a máquina estatal e uma network de fake news jamais vista no país para tentar ganhar e não conseguiram. Que momento meus camaradas.
No.567093
Doesnt Bolsonoro still hold onto the Congress? How is Lula going to accomplish anything?
No.567097
>>567093Not to be rude or anything but we reply to this every thread, ctrl+f the previous one.
No.567099
>>567093if he has a spine, he will use his popular support to organize protests in favor of his points.
If he goes "Muh Democracy" he will achieve nothing.
No.567101
>>567087Toda a palhaça de narrativa que o bozo cultivou nos últimos quatros anos falando de:
>Ainn o Lula roubou mas nós tínhamos a maioria esmagadora dos votos, logo vencemosDescreve exatamente o que ele fez.
Filho da puta, o cara é um projetor humano.
No.567103
>>567067being the first leftist to win in a historically right wing country, subtle shitting on yanks, open to cooperation with venezuela, great speaker, high popular support
No.567105
>>567101Todo reaça-raiz projeta. É patológico.
No.567107
>>567101É um excremento humano, você vê o ódio pelo pobre e pelo menor na fala dele, por isso odeia Lula.
No.567109
Qual é a reação do bozo?
>>567093his party is a bribery party
No.567111
>>567069How's the grupo de lima/prosur standing right now? they tried to destroy the unasur and I wonder if what'll happen to either group now.
No.567114
Will Bozo do a January 6
No.567116
>>567114I fucking hope so.
No.567118
>>567109Isolado, falando com pouquíssimas pessoas. Ainda teremos 2 meses do sequestro do estado por ele e sua corja.
No.567121
>Em frente ao condomínio de Bolsonaro, eleitores do presidente rezam e choram após resultado http://glo.bo/3U3vXqQ8 pics of bolsonarist subhumans crying in front of Bozo's condo in Rio. I tried downloading the gallery pics to upload here but they're webp.
>>567114He already did in 7 September 2021. And almost did it again the following year. He has tried literally dozens of half-baked coup schemes and fraus and failed at all of them.
No.567123
>>567121Blaaahahahah cry harder bolsoids
No.567127
>Bolsonaro se isola e não atende nem auxiliares próximos
AI TADINHA DA FRUMIGUINHA TADINHA
No.567131
a botaiada já tá toda "aiiiiin FFAA duvido vocês darem golpe agora DU-VI-DO"
No.567133
Eu quero é ver os sigilos porra caralho mostra essa fofoca aí
No.567134
>>567133Isso só vai ter em 2023.
Se o Congresso não passar PEC proibindo antes, né?
No.567136
>>567134Pois é. Nesses próximos 2 meses ou o bozo tenta dar mais golpes ou vai ser uma enorme prevenção de danos futuros. Impedir que o sigilo seja quebrado entraria no último.
No.567141
>>567136Se bem que, se Lula tiver qualquer intenção de desfazer esta merda toda, comprar o STF será essencial, e daí tirar sigilo de qualquer coisa é fácil.
No.567144
>>567116What's the likelihood that PL will implode after this?
No.567146
Muito feliz.
No.567147
>>567144None. They're a big-ass party and they have infiltrated scum everywhere now.
No.567149
>PT is a bribery party
Oh unlike every other political party in Brazil whom that is not true of, right
No.567158
>>567152The Duality of (Wo)Man
No.567160
Cia warned Bolsonaro. Economist endorsed Lula and Biden congratulated Lula the moment he wins
All the papers are writing positive things about Lula as well
No.567162
>>567038Has there ever been a study/analysis done on this?
No.567164
>>567160anti trump bourgeois coming to the rescue lol
No.567166
>>567160>Economist endorsed LulaHUGE WARNING SIGN. Lula is either going to cuck out hard or be a lame duck.
No.567170
>>567164It reminds me of boric. He got same treatment. Usa news outlets wrote very nice articles about what a good guy he is and usa has never sanctioned him while he votes with usa at un
Lula getting same treatment. He's putting forward as a shining hero of democracy in western media all over with all kinds of celebrities endorsing him
No.567172
>>567170yeah, hopefully Lula wont become Boric or Castillo
No.567176
Anões, lembrem-se: Leiam e se organizem.
No.567178
>>567172I think you will be let down
No.567180
>>567160Politics in particular countries are becoming internationalized. Bolsonaro getting isolated from D.C. partly because of hostility to Biden and the Democrats specifically seems like part of a wider pattern where U.S. destabilization is also making U.S. partisanship internationalized. On the other side of the coin, the Saudis' hostility to Biden seems partly driven by a preference for GOP rule. And E.U. hostility to Trump can be read the same way retrospect, considering they are willingly destroying their economies under Biden's orders.
Brazil is also morphing into a weird two-party state, except there are two "real" parties and a swarm of smaller rental parties that get bribed and bought off to make a governing majority. But it does track that over time, each of these factions would also be more or less friendly with a U.S. party. During the 2016 anti-Dilma protests, it was not uncommon to see signs of "Trump, win the election and come help us." Back then it was seen as goofy minority thing among the larger protests, but now it is the default conservative position, so much so that Tucker fucking Carlson dropped by to move things along.
The world is growing more interconnected. Gonna be fun.
No.567182
>>567178globalization is bad unless its trump doing it then tis good and cool
No.567184
>>567160>>567170>>567160Cry harder. You're not a leftist, you're a conservative.
No.567190
>>567184Can you point to anything i said incorrect? I bet you were telling people the same thing who warned you about boric saying they are not leftist
No.567192
>>567190just read the threads, we already pointed it
No.567194
>>567192Provide an example, I've been reading the threads.
The CIA did warn bolsonaro. Biden congratulate Lula the moment he won. The usa papers and outlets are writing articles about what an amazing man Lula is everywhere and tons of mainstream celebrities endorsed him
What is incorrect here? It is the same treatment boric got, not a threat to Washington
No.567196
>>567194What's your point exactly? "Not a threat to Washington" so fucking what? I don't give a shit about the USA my dude, I care that we're in a deep fucking hole that would only get deeper with Bozo.
No.567199
>>567196You arent concerned at all that the US is confident that Lula will engage in collaboration with the US? Capitalism is about to be in crisis which means austerity and fascist reform. PT Supporters are in for a rude awakening in the couple months
No.567205
>>567198Esa publicacion la hizo:
1) Un brasileiro blanquito rico que piensa que los EEUU es la cima de la civilizacion humana
2) Un brasilerio moreno o negro acomplejado que piensa como #1
3) Un racista gringo
Todos merecen un escopezato por la nuca
No.567209
>>567188Que cidade foi isso?
No.567215
>>567205Entendi tudo mesmo sem falar espanhol kkkkkkkkkkkk
No.567218
>>567160The US understands that the lack of a peaceful transition will fuck up trade and supply lines during a time where the neoliberals can't afford that. Otherwise they'd string up Lula if they could. And they tried.
No.567220
>>567198Most Brazilians on the English-language Internet are part of their rich and privately educated upper class. They live in big mansions with maids and butlers, and hold strange reactionary beliefs about racial hierarchies and are sympathetic to fascist tendencies while being more often than not creepy religious fundamentalists. They look down on their fellow citizens and would sell out their own country and all its riches to foreign multinationals and the neoliberal status quo while still calling themselves patriotic. They are members of their oligarchy and are afraid that someone is about to redistribute 'their' wealth that are the result of their greedy thievery and centuries of exploitation of indigenous people groups They are a kleptocratic class of parasites that has to be utterly purged and annihilated in a violent uprising if any state in South America is to achieve social progress.
I love this copypasta because it's applicable to any country in Lat Am
No.567222
>>567160this reeks of first world leftist finger wagging the third world about real socialism even though they can't do (and won't do) shit to advance socialism locally.
No.567229
>>567215Entiendo protugues sin hablarlo jjjj
No.567234
>>1245859Well the thing is, the power of the U.S. is in some relative decline and doesn't have as much ability to push Brazil around like in the past. The U.S. can't go on being the godfather telling other countries what to do.
>>567218Interesting point too.
No.567238
>>567121>but they're webp.someone really should assassinate whoever invented that format
No.567240
This might be the most obvious shit of all time but Lula's base is going to need to be mobilized past the election and independently of Lula and PT endorsement
No.567242
>>567240anti trump liberals have pushed their international weight for Lula against Bozo, Lula is gonna end up like Boric or hobbled like Castillo
No.567248
>>1245859>>567199God I fucking hate "communists" like these.
Hey, dumbasses, we have a population the size of Venezuela that's starving, half of our population has food insecurity, half works for minimum wage without any sort of benefits, and I could go on forever. There are people starving right NOW yet nothing short of a revolution works for you. Can't you get through your thick skulls and into your smooth brains that electing Lula means at least a half decent chance that these people will see a better day instead of the complete apocalypse that would be electing Bolsonaro again?
Lula isn't a socialist but someone in his place would never be one, that's not the fucking point of elections. You elect the one that'll cause the least amount of damage while you organize to bring about whatever future you think is better for your country. Holy shit I am so fucking tired of gringo "communists" and their retarded takes that completely ignore material reality, not that you'd know since you don't fucking live here. Shut up already.
No.567250
>>567199>Capitalism is about to be in crisis which means austerity and fascist reform.That's literally what happened in the last 4 years in Brazil. Where have you been?
No.567252
>>567234>>567218The EU and USA condemned or an election recently and EU is going to withhold billions of dollars from Hungary from it.
They did none of this now with Lula. Just congratulated him and western papers say what a good guy he is all over that are controlled by usa operatives.
The usa still sees a fake politician wife of a prisoner as president of Belarus and sanctions the crap out of country.
Could it be that they were fine with bolsonaro losing?
No.567256
>>567248it's, as usual, pure cope that they themselves can't even fathom the center left getting anywhere close to the presidency. every popular candidate in the US and the UK has failed spectacularly, and they stilll have the gall to prematurely call center-left victories a failure lol
No.567258
>>567248They aren't serious and don't have any real stakes in anything because their bellies are full, so they don't have anything better to do than go around pointing fingers at others.
No.567263
>>567222It is truly fascinating that we burgers, who understands nothing about the administration of literally any other government around the world and also spent months gloating over rightoid tears when Trump lost, hand the audacity to come into the BR thread to tell them how to do a heckin political analysis. Even supposed burger leftists can't break free from the paternalist neo-colonialism brain
No.567267
>>567190>>567194If you'd rather have a Pinochetist like Kast than a social-democrat like Boric , you're not a leftist. I don't know how this is controversial.
No.567270
This is such pathetic third worldism posting. Saying that a person living in south america suddenly has some enlightenment about geopolitics and what position is what. Get out of here
Lula isn't a socialist, CIA warn bolsonaro about trying to take election. Biden did congratulate him immediately. All the papers in west are writing pretty things of him and celebrating him. All of this is true either Hitler says it, a guy from or a guy in Pakistan
No.567273
>>567267No one anywhere has said this
No.567277
>>567248they're idealists. there's a third revolutionary option in their heads that will magically appear in the material reality out of nowhere
No.567281
>>567270i don't see anything except posturing about how "the real winner is democracy" bullshit from western media. no doubt they will start slamming lula not even a week into his term. your analysis sucks ass lol.
No.567285
>>567252Yes they are fine with Bolsonaro losing. Dude, Brazil isn't Hungary or Belarus. The U.S. and Europe cannot easily push Brazil around. It's a major country and one of the largest economies in the world and motherfuckin' Chen Weihua is happy that Lula won. So are the Cubans and Venezuelans. Probably the Iranians. Hell, probably the North Koreans because Lula opposes sanctions on them and had developed some relations with them when he was president. Just let it go.
No.567289
>>567263>we burgers, who understands nothing about the administration of literally any other government around the worldDude do you have some submissive fetish? There is plenty of people here from many countries who have knowledge on many admins. Believing that because a person is born in Chile now they will instantly know more than a person in usa but default of location is third worldism idiocy.
You sound like the people who say people of color need to speak first in groups and bullshit like that. Either a person knows things or not, their identity and location don't matter
No.567293
>>567270oh wow lula isn't a socialist haha what a smart and deep take are you the next lenin? :)
No.567300
>>567289>There is plenty of people here from many countries who have knowledge on many adminsAnd you are clearly not one of them.
No.567303
>>567300A guy telling himself that he knows nothing because he's from America looks so performative. Oh yes glorious indigenous man you know more than because you were born in x place. I could never rival you
No.567311
>>567300>>567293>>567289>>567270Seriouskly, isn't there a better thread for this shit than this one? Let us celebrate once fss. Can't have shit in Brazil.
No.567314
>>567303> Oh yes glorious indigenous man you know more than because you were born in x place.and we're supposed to believe you're on the left
No.567317
>>567285 (me)
Also the only people who do seem upset that Bolsonaro lost are rightards in the U.S. who are not in power right now, the Israelis, and Juan Guaido. I can't think of any others. Oh, and Lyndon LaRouche cultists and rightoids in Brazil who might even be bigger lunatics than the ones in Burgerland.
No.567320
>>567285Usa and eu wanted Lula to win under this admin. There has been no indication they preferred a bolsonaro win
No.567323
>>567314That's exactly how that posters post read to me talking about how he knows nothing because he's from USA unlike the south Americans who understand more suddenly by location. It's radlib nonsense
No.567327
>>567317why do the larouche cultists want him to win? I thought they were all multipolirista gang
No.567331
>>567327I dunno. Bolsonaro doesn't give a damn about the environment like them. That's my guess.
No.567335
>>567289Yeah but everyone who has been whining ITT doesn't seem to know about Brazil or Chile's history either. You're simply applying things that happened in other countries and times to the brazilian reality.
>There is plenty of people here from many countries who have knowledge on many admins.You're taking this obscure forum too seriously, thats the issue. Most people here likes to criticize and hasn't organized any worker in their life, so its obvious that your opinion holds less weight
No.567338
Lula ganhou no centro de SP com mais de 60%
Qual explicação material atrás disso?
No.567342
>>567323dog, you're like one shibboleth away from completely outing yourself as a fascist lol, just fuck off, we know you're a retarded contrarian consuming political analysis from god knows which ideological wastebasket on twitter.
No.567355
>>567323Did you ignore the comparison to the burger thread where we all laughed for months at rightoid cope when Trump lost, or are you new here so that didn't resonate with you? Sorry anon, it's not that I want to center the noble savage before asking for your input, it's that I think your opinion is garbage and I didn't want to hear it at all.
No.567358
>>567346I love how the three ideologies of Latam are 'left' 'right' and
'MACRON' No.567364
>>567342Haven't said a single thing that is fascist.
What I've said is that where you are born doesn't inherently give you more or less knowledge on geopolitics. The time you put into learning about it, reading, participating and observing does. So telling yourself that a person born in x is suddenly knowledgeable when could be a total complete jackass cause you respect that place and another place you don't like that person suddenly knows nothing is nonsense third worldism.
This shouldn't be a controversial statement in any form. You can have a total political idiot in Peru, a guy who is well read Marxist in Canada. A genius politically in Mexico and a idiot who doesn't know anything in UK. Location doesn't matter
No.567368
rare leftist win, I'll take it
No.567371
>>567364Holy fuck, can both of you stop being autistic. Obviously you can be knowledgeable wherever you live but there's also a huge trend of retarded Americans that know nothing yet have opinions on everything.
No.567375
>>567320It's just politics. Do you seriously think Biden wasn't going to pretend to like Lula? The funny part is that it was the Democrats who went all in to get rid of Lula. It was the Obama administration that helped coup Dilma which put Boso into power in the first place. The problem was, they thought they were paving the way for their neoliberal PSDB pals, who know how to use the right fork and knife and talk about peace, love and progress while doing about the same thing Bozo did. Instead, the fire they lit burned the "centrist" structure down and the crazies inherited the ashes.
Now, unless they want a seriously volatile nation that juuust might align with Putin, Hungary and other sore spots for U.S. diplomacy, having the sane people back in charge is the better option … at least for a while.
It's just politics. As long as capital flows, goods get to ports, foreign investment continues apace, and financial elites get what they basically want, Biden doesn't care if Lula or Bozo gets in. Now if Lula tried to socialize large chunks of the economy and spooked the business sector, then all the human rights/Lula is the next Castro shit will come right back into play. But I suspect Lula isn't going to shake shit up like that. So, yeah, he gets the standard congrats boilerplate.
No.567379
>>567323>>567364True, good points. The main issue is that you clearly don't know anything and are hiding behind such arguments. It sounds like you read some angry burger right wing post on stupidpol and now want to spread your gospel of why "right-populist figure #15746 is actually the revolutionary socialist candidate"
No.567381
>>567379>It sounds like you read some angry burger right wing post on stupidpol and now want to spread your gospel of why "right-populist figure #15746 is actually the revolutionary socialist candidate No i haven't said this anywhere. Bolsonaro is shit. What I've said is that Lula by all indications was approved by usa and they didn't have a problem with him winning as he isn't a socialist, won't rock the boat and Biden/eu feuded a lot with bolsonaro.
Lula is a liberal figure like boric. This doesn't need to be a i want Lula to win or i want Bolsonaro to win as trying to pin it as. It's being realistic of what Lula is
No.567389
>>567375>Do you seriously think Biden wasn't going to pretend to like Lula?Biden has never pretended to like Erdogan, Putin, Kim Jung un, maduro, Ortega, lukashenko, Diaz canal, bukele, kadyrov, Assad and so on.
No.567392
>>567386lol thank you, I was thinking of that meme when I made the post but my HDD died and didn't have it
No.567397
as FFAA não largaram da teta pra responder a mais este chamado da Skynet pra dar golpe, então estão tentando atiçar caminhoneiros
lembram-se daquele tal de Zé do Trovão? a mídia Potemkin do Bozo tentou transformar um sujeito que nunca subiu na boléia de um caminhão em uma liderança sindical na base da oninormalização? então, estão tentando começar uma greve de caminhoneiros nesse estilo agora mesmo, na base do mememagick
No.567400
>>567311This, y’all stop being overgrown edgier than thou teenagers and let people be happy for once.
No.567405
>>567381>Lula is a liberal figure like boricHow do you expect that we take you seriously if you're this lost. Lula and his party comes from unions and mass organization of workers and peasants, he himself is a factory worker that fought against the dictatorship and as a president took millions of people out of poverty. The fuck does Boric have to do with that?
No.567409
>>567405None of that makes him stop being a liberal which he is. Lula is not a socialist. You can make pretty backgrounds for people and make them sound radical and cool. How their ideology functions and what they do is what matters
No.567412
>>567409the ultra communist has come online,
get lost westoid
VIVA LULA
No.567418
>>567412>>567415Modi took millions out of poverty in India. He isn't a socialist. That's not what socialism is.
No.567421
>>567409>>567418so look to class character? for an ultra, ur pretty bad at this stuff
No.567427
>>567409Yes but at least he is not Biden-tier and definitely not Bozonaro. The fact that he proposes the sur is why I back him first place - and his leftist tendencies. He got praised by Multipolarista!
No.567431
>>567421>For an ultra???
Millions coming out of poverty is a result of something being done. What was done?
Millions out of poverty\= socialism. How is this controversial.
No.567440
>>567405Lula also supports socialist countries like Cuba and Venezuela unlike Borić.
No.567444
>>567436No. Absolutely not. I've said time and time again bolsonaro is shit. What I've said is the realistic view of what Lula is that he is a liberal not a socialist and setting expectations properly for that.
No.567452
>>567431thats not the point i was making - you say you can "make a background for someone", and its their ideology that matters
this is idealism, your questions have been answered
whats the diff between one person and another lifting millions out of poverty? It's where the power to do this came from, and what that leader's history is.
No.567454
>>567444THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU PENDANTIC, PESSIMSIT FUC
No.567457
>>567450Hilariously a lot of people were against bozonaro on /pol/ in light of him being a rabid pro-zionist lmfao
No.567459
>>567409Then you agree with me, since i said there IS a ideology that functions and do things. And the main point was that your comparison is retarded.
What org or party of your country do you support or participate in? Are they having success? If not, they're not valuable of anything in your logic… except if you consider having "communist" in their name more relevant than improving people's lives
No.567461
>>567452It seems you don't even care about socialism. You just look at the end result. If i grabbed a fascist and somehow pulled millions out of poverty for time being you'd call this socialist? No.
That's a result. The action taken is what is socialism.
No.567465
>shitting from mouth intensifies.
No.567467
>>567461if a person came from the working class, was supported by the working class, called themselves a fascist, and then helped the working class would i support this? YES (their only error would be in theory - that means they might make mistakes due to mistaken analysis, but their heart is in the right place)
but it would never happen, because you don't get fascist leadership ever coming from the working class, being supported by the working class as their primary base of support, or even really helping the working class
What i'm saying is class and base of support are more important than professed ideals. I'm not the person who said he lifted millions out of poverty btw.
No.567471
Have your dose of /pol/ tears brazilbros
No.567473
>>567467>if a person came from the working class, was supported by the working class, called themselves a fascist, and then helped the working class would i support this? YESread a book you fucking retard. or maybe start with a wikipedia article about italy
No.567475
>>567467So this is your working definition of what socialism is. When you interpret them to help the working class? Where did you gather this definition?
And the background is just a story to a person either working class or a millionaire both can be complete dipshits. You can find countless stories of politicians with the came from nothing story and they are pieces of garbage.
No.567479
>>567450>I was watching the League of Legends world championshipabsolutely disgusting
No.567481
>>567405Are you from 2003? The MST movement tacitly dont support Lula anymore and they're trying to reconstitute the left through their organizing and running their own candidates regardless of whatever Lula does.
No.567490
>>567467>if a person came from the working class, was supported by the working class, called themselves a fascist, and then helped the working class would i support this? YESThis is called "bait and switch strategy."
No.567492
>>567481I don't care about the contemporary divergences of PT, Boric didn't have that kind of support or experience anytime in his life, that's what im saying
No.567494
>>567481We see leaders based on their past experience with politics. Even if say the military regime does some good stuff to Brazil, but because of its human rights abuses then it's not worth supporting.
No.567498
was the presidential debate any good? i didn't see it
No.567499
>>567498No. Lula is extremely charismatic but terrible at debates. Bozo literally can't debate.
No.567501
Conseguimos, anões. Foda-se o Bolsonaro.
No.567502
Camaradas, foi divertido comemorar a vitória aqui neste fio. Os gringos são um bando de cretinos, não tem jeito, vão sempre ficar tentando explicar as coisas pra nós como se fossemos completos imbecis. Mas sabemos que por mais que o Lula não é ideal, é um alívio essa vitória. Fui nas comemorações de rua e foi lindo de ver: pessoal finalmente sendo feliz de novo. A luta ainda vai ser muito longa, mas pelo menos hoje dá pra dormir feliz.
Vou-me deste site, nos encontraremos de novo nas eventuais barricadas. O hora do Terceiro Mundo está por chegar.
No.567504
>>567502Boa noite, anon e pau no cu do Primeiro Mundo.
No.567506
>>567496>>1246061Jesus Christ, you're dense. Saying landowners should be allowed have a gun in their property (which is the current law) is not the same as wanting to arm them.
No.567510
>>1246070
Nem comunista brasileiro acha que ele é socialista, seu imbecil.
No.567511
Gringos don't understand what 6 years of right-wing misrule did to Brazil. All you can do is cry harder while Biden plunges the American Empire deeper into decline.
No.567513
>>567180It's so weird, diplomacy is becoming a party policy but said parties are becoming international.
Maybe the international ruling class isn't as united as it seems.
No.567516
I mentioned earlier that most of MSM in Brazil forbade their staff from saying Bozo is far-right since at least 2018. Well a few hours after that, I actually heard MSM finally describe him as such – only after Lula was confirmed victorious. Really makes me think.
No.567517
>>567511>Biden plunges the American Empire deeper into decline.This is a good thing.
ACCELERATE AND MOBILIZETHERE IS A REASON ON WHY ARE RUSSIAN MILITARY VEHICLES MARKED WITH A ZIT SYMBOLIZES ZOOMERS FOR ZOOMERS ARE THE FOREFRONT OF ANTI-IMPERIALISMTHE YOUTH HOLDS THE TORCH OF REVOLUTION No.567520
>>567511Why would this be bad to a communist? Usa falling apart is good
No.567522
reminder that obama-biden got bozo into power in the first place by helping to run that lawfare scam to coup dilma and jail lula. that's what gave bozo the opening to win in the first place. he wouldn't have ever won otherwise.
No.567526
>>567511>Biden plunges the American Empire deeper into decline.why would anyone cry about this
this is based
No.567529
>>567522Where can i read more about this
No.567534
>>567532christcucks on suicide watch
No.567538
>>567529just look up 'operation car wash'. glenn greenwald wrote a lot about it.
No.567540
>>1246079
Você não tá trazendo nenhuma revelação pra ninguém aqui, seu verme pedante de bosta.
>BUUUAHH OS MACACOS DO TERCEIRO-MUNDO ESTÃO COMEMORANDO A DERROTA DE UM FASCISTA QUE FUDEU A VIDA DELES EU TENHO QUE MOSTRAR QUE EU SOU O MAIS ILUMINADO
Anta do caralho.
No.567541
>>567473you can't contest anything specific? The only beef I see against me is that I should support labels and professed ideals over material factors.
>>567475No that's my whole point, it's not about defining socialism but analyzing social phenomenon. I'm not looking at the world like "is this socialism or not socialism?". Socialism emerged from peasant utopians and bourgeois intellectuals - by no means do i support socialism in general. The important piece is the class aspect. Fascist worldviews/theories are generally idealist forms of socialism (which paper over class divisions, giving justification to their brutal repression of workers).
Like I said, it's not about helping the working class, but a variety of factors, ultimately to determine how connected to the working class a movement is. What's important is the proletariat's activity to benefit themselves. So if Lula came from being proletarian (different btw from "coming from nothing" - lots of these backstories are of lumpen, peasants, or just lies), and was brought to prominence by working class organizations, and also is helping the working class - what's wrong here? I'll agree that we won't get sneaky communism from above. But it's a positive development anyways, we're moving in the right direction (even if, to be maximally cynical, we assume Lula is just controlled opposition to undercut actual socialist worker self-organization - even then, i'll say "the bourgeoisie's hand has been forced and they act against themselves while acting against us - the situation sheds light on the working class's power
still). All I expect from Lula is national capital being prioritized over international, along with some reforms and rejection of the prior leadership. This alone is fine, and allows for the further development of forces of production and betterment of people's lives. Locally it could massively undercut the left, i'll admit. Globally for the whole proletariat, it's undoubtedly progressive. Foreign capital will under-develop the means of production in order to not face market competition (or overproduction). Engaging in protection of national capital also entails pacifying the working class, meaning some redistribution. Raising standards of living is a win for the working class that's hard to overturn (and it's only possible when capital flees - where would brazilian capital flee to? It has a limited scope for imperialism.
So yea i think this is a W for the working class. Of course go be unsatisfied, continue with the unions and communist groups or w/e it is that you do. The fight isn't over, but this is still a gain for the working class. It's better than bolsonaro who wouldn't have had the same impact of giving the working class some room to breathe and a better position to organize and continue struggling within.
Anyways feel free to tell me I'm wrong because I misunderstand the situation, but not to repeat that you think only theoretical positions matter, and analyzing the material context and impacts of a political movement or leader is somehow fantastical and misleading.
No.567543
>>567540You have a victim complex
Someone calling Lula a liberal is somehow a personal insult to you and you even refer to yourself with slurs about it.
No.567545
>>567067Its not that he himself is a fake leftist, its that he literally has no power.
No.567547
>>567543In Brazil, liberal is often avoided by leftists because of connotations with pro-business policies during neoliberalism or the military dictatorship.
No.567551
TODO EL MUNDO
No hablemos más en inglés y los gringos se iran.
No.567553
>>567543>>1246121O que me ofende é você pensar que tá trazendo alguma grande iluminação pra algum comunista brasileiro enquanto você só fala obviedades que qualquer comunista daqui a ponta há anos.
No.567554
>>567551Oh yes super secret languages that millions know. Noone will understand for sure
No.567556
>>1246121
I explained exactly the reason why Brazilian leftists don't like the term liberal and you keep using it. I'm just gonna assume you're trolling at this point.
No.567558
>>56755110 Sucres a que es el ultra chileno.
No.567559
>>567554deja de dar jugo aweonao
No.567562
>>1246121
Dude, again, you're making this about something it's not
literally everybody in the thread knows that Lula isn't Rebuild of Lenin 2.0: Reloaded or whatever. It's about the fact that they don't have to deal with a fascist being in charge.
That's an objective net improvement. Stop being a joyless pedant and let people be happy about it.
Fuck.
No.567563
Caminhoneiros tão fechando rodovias e disseram que só vão parar caso os milicos deem um golpe
No.567565
>>567558Puede ser. Yo soy chileno y estoy mucho más cómodo acá, desde que el hilo latino fue tomado por 1 o 2 ultrones chilenos se fue a la mierda. Uno de ellos tiene una página de memes en instagram y está llorando por el triunfo de Lula ahí también jajajaj
No.567568
>>567563Estou vendo essas manifestações só em alguns pontos do litoral de SC. Certeza que o Carluxo está tentando fazer parecer um levante imenso. Por mim, podem fechar à vontade antes de 2023.
No.567571
>>567563Terrorismo estocástico já começando a agir.
No.567573
>>567554tantos millones y tu no eres parte de ese grupo jjjjjj
No.567578
>>567576>Eu tava tão bebado e feliz que acabei me filiando ao PCO e ao PCdoBhuehuehuhe
No.567582
>>567571Se bem que nem é a primeira vez que o circo do Bozo manda seus agente fechar entroncamentos, não é?
No.567585
Sem medo de ser feliz, anões.
No.567595
>>567424which one in particular for why a fashoid helped poor people, genuinely curious
is it because he wants the vote bank next time, or will advancing the poors will make them more exploitable in the next, advanced stage of outsourcing and what not, more skilled labor
No.567596
1. Brazilian friend is saying that even though Lula won, Him winning by less then 2% is insanely bad compared to what everyone was expecting which was for the minor 'further-left-then-PT' parties like the commie microparties and PDT [Which from just looking at their Wiki page is like the Corbynistas compared to PT being like the labour party] to consolidate behind him and give him an UNQUESTIONABLE win. But instead now Bozo gets to probably cry for the rest of his life that the scary Commie-Globalists rigged the election.
2. He also thinks that 'muh rigged election' will probably be used for Lulas entire term to harry every single thing he possibly tries to do - and probably to try and coup him once more. He says that retarded Bozo vooters are already saying that muh truckers and muh army need to PATRIOTS IN CONTROL TO STOP THE COMMUNISTS.
Is this a good analysis?
No.567598
>>567596The Micro parties all did endorse Lula from what i know.
PDT/Ciro IS somewhat to the 'left' of PT/Lula i guess.
The issue is Ciro decided his entire one issue he would base his entire campaign on this time was crying about Carwash/muh corrupt/evil Lula exactly like Bozo was.
Both PDT have suffered from this tailism to the right and PT/Lula.
No.567601
>>567346Looks based but iirc the Colombian and Chilean guys really put the
SUCK in succdem and are basically barely better then like the U.K. labour party or some shit except on foreign policy.
Also a Peruvian friend told me the supposed commie they elected there went full the revolution betrayed mode on them and basically abandoned all of his promises.
But asides from that.
Would anyone even truly notice if those last three blue countries just got annexed and stopped existing?
No.567603
>>567469>>Zionist lost>>Zionist lost>>Zionist lost>>Zionist lostLmao Nazbol gets it [joke]
>Argentina > BrazilBrazil has commie parties in its ruling coalition though?
No.567605
>>567532Leftyxirs, how do we stop them from praying against us?
No.567607
>>567601From the little i know, Castillo reconciled with Peru Libre, the marxist party that brought him to govt and who broke with him at some point. But he was never a commie
>Would anyone even truly notice if those last three blue countries just got annexed and stopped existing?Ecuador and Uruguay had Correa and Mujica respectively, both very influential figures in the pink tide, i'd say Correa is one of the most based ones. Nobody cares about Paraguay though, not even sure if a left exists over there
No.567611
>>567520>Usa falling apart is goodalways have been
this is what leftcaths have been praying for to Mary
No.567613
>>567532Pray for Brazil!
For Lula's ideas to spread and to bring back leftism No.567618
>>567616>>567587turn rightoid copium into into socialist hopium
No.567621
>>567364Ignoring geopolitics is a good geopolitical strategy. Look what geopolitik brought to communism in the 20th century.
No.567623
>>567616Post screenshots, I don't visit 3rd world websites.
No.567625
Bozo sumido por 8 horas já
Será q ele vai se -ACKar?
No.567626
O choro e desalento no 1500 está uma delícia.
>>567625Ele é covarde demais para isso.
No.567629
ei camaradas kd o jair
No.567631
>>567629Aqui no meu Bolso hehehe
No.567637
My friend is telling me that Brazilian law is pretty much air-tight regardless or not if Bozo decides to pull a Trump and shid and piss everywhere about the election being stolen.
And that basically the only thing that can stop Lula from being the man in the presidential palace is a literal, 'tanks rolling down the streets' coup.
Is this true?
No.567639
>>567637>the only thing that can stop Lula from being the man in the presidential palace is a literal, 'tanks rolling down the streets' coupPretty much yeah, I'm expecting that Bolsonaro will try to deny the election results but I don't think we will get something like the January 6th riot.
No.567641
Rest in piss Bozonaro
No.567644
>>567643jar bozo has to pay alimony?
No.567650
What's this story about an ambulance visiting Bozo's residence?
No.567655
Qual será a campanha de oposição? Se fere minha existência, serei reatância?
No.567659
bolsonaro e michele deixaram de se seguir no instagram.
No.567660
>>567659Aí sim em, já começaram as fofocas.
No.567666
Falando em fofoca…
Caio Coppola (nome fantasia de Caio Arruda Miranda) demitido da Jovem Klan.
>segundo rumores nos bastidores da sede da JP o comentarista também está sofrendo acusações graves de uma ex-namorada.
>Essas acusações não foram esclarecidas ou divulgadas até o momento, mas envolveriam a filha dessa ex-namorada
Mais um reaça p3do? Alguém sabe mais disso aí?
No.567672
>>567628Dominicanos basados
No.567675
>>567521Como é, o povo da Argentina tá barrado de comprar no Ali?
No.567677
>>567672The Dominican president is right wing. That chart is retarded
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_AbinaderU.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was among those in attendance at Abinader's swearing-in ceremony.[11] Under Luis Abinader's leadership, the Dominican Republic is set to form stronger economic and diplomatic ties with the United States.[14] Under his administration, the Dominican Republic became one of the countries that, along with the US, voted to maintain the arms embargo on Iran.[15]
He is close to the Lima Group, which brings together conservative governments in the Americas to isolate Venezuela and contribute to the fall of its government.[16]
On 24 February 2022, Abinader released a statement denouncing Russia's invasion of Ukraine.[17]
No.567679
>>567677Abinader successfully ran for President in the 2020 election.[9] Rudy Giuliani and John Huvane once again advised Abinader in the campaign as security consultants.[7][10]
Rudy fucking giuliani
No.567681
>>567679This Dominican president is also building a massive wall to keep Haitians out and Wikipedia calls him left apparently in that dumbass chart lmao
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/feb/25/dominican-republic-starts-work-on-border-wall-with-haitihttps://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/21/dominican-republic-begins-building-border-wall-with-haitiAbinader successfully ran for President in the 2020 election.[9] Rudy Giuliani and John Huvane once again advised Abinader in the campaign as security consultants.[7][10]
No.567686
>>567685Como que ela não foi presa ainda?
No.567690
>>567686Vigiando demais e punindo de menos.
No.567693
>>567681>This Dominican president is also building a massive wall to keep Haitians out and Wikipedia calls him left apparently in that dumbass chart lmao Wikipedia moment.
No.567699
>>567695O ruim daqui é só o calor mesmo
No.567705
A Skynet está desligada desde ontem. Carluxo, Tércio et caterva devem estar se acabando na farinha.
No.567709
Haven't payed attention to the Brazilian voots.
Is Lula winning a somethingburger or a nothingburger?
No.567716
Lembrete que, por trás dos caminhoneiros bolsonaristas, há a coordenação dos empresários bolsonaristas.
A duração dos bloqueios e futuras sabotagens vão estar financeiramente ligadas a esses vermes.
Véio da Havan pode até sair do país mas vai continuar enviando dinheiro pra botarem fogo nestas bandas.
No.567717
>>567709Big somethingburger deluxe with cheese.
No.567723
Just pointing out that the clown still hasn't admitted defeat. He hasn't even implied defeat because he hasn't even bothered thanking his voters.
No.567725
>>567723Why would he concede? It's less than 2%, he has the south and southwest as a geographical base to start a civil war with the north
No.567727
>>567725bro he managed to fail at both staging a coup and winning elections despite having literally
everything on his side, what makes you think he has the chops to start, let alone win, a civil war
No.567731
>>567727pretty much, he has tried over and over again but he simply doesn't have the political power to do it
No.567732
>>567208Bolsonarosisters… not like this
No.567735
>>567717Ok, what good can come from this? We still live in the worst timeline, so I'm doubtful.
No.567737
>>567731He had the political power early on, what he never had was brains. The sheer stupidity of the current crop of reactoids was literally the only thing which saved us from total catastrophe, and this isn't an exaggeration.
No.567740
Dollar and euro exchange rates and the stock market both rising after Lula's victory, but State-owned (partially obviously) are hurting. Guess which one of those Bozo's stooges are whining about.
No.567742
Alguém de João Pessoa aqui? Pensando seriamente em sair da merda de SP pra lá
No.567743
>>567742Moro em Pernambuco, mas já visitei João Pessoa algumas vezes. É uma cidade bem tranquila, penso em até me mudar pra lá quando estiver mais velho. E Lula venceu em todas as cidades da Paraíba, então deve ter pouco reaça.
No.567746
This is what a (allegedly Brazilian) magacommunist on Twitter had to say about Lula's wins, thoughts?
>I'll preface this by saying that either candidate would be a win for multipolarity AND the CIA in some kind of way. Lula is not the anti-imperialist idol the left has wet dreams over; likewise, Bolsonaro does not meaningfully represent the Brazilian nation—but more on that later.
>In terms of giving expression to the real movement of the people, both candidates have things going for them; they dispute the same sectors of society —disenfranchised, empoverished Brazilians who lost their industry jobs in the 2015 crisis — with seemingly opposing rhetoric.
>Brazil just doesn't have a large enough amount of educated PMC urbanites to justify Lula's polularity, nor has it enough "reactionary right-wing fascists" to justify Bolsonaro's. If both have managed to become popular, then both have something of meaning to be looked at.
>That is to say: if both of them have garnered 60 million votes each (in a country of 200 million), then they both must have appealed to the People in some way, and both seek to represent the People in some way. Now I'll break down the reasons for their popularity, historically:
>Lula and Dilma's economic policy, as far as managing resources goes, was going on the right direction. The country seemed to be reverting the 1990s trend of deindustrialization, and oil was nationalised. The government funded long-needed infrastructure projects through a State-owned development bank.
>These initiatives, however, were carried out over the fragile basis of revenues from primary exports — iron ore, meat, soy, etc. Worse yet, these public projects served as syphons for public funds to go into private wallets, with politicians such as Sergio Cabral (one of the more infamous ones) and companies like Odebrecht raking in billions.
>With the amount that was stolen, these public projects had to cut every corner, with some being unfinished. Brazilians would start to see corruption as the biggest evil.
>The tragic thing for Lula is that, while he himself didn't partake in any of the stealing, at least any that could be proven in court, he made close political allies out of all the worst offenders. It would be naïve to say that all that stealing didn't happen /under his watch/.
>Given the size of the theft and the scope of the political alignments of those involved, Brazilians grew disenfranchised and outraged at the WHOLE of the political system (based). The movement which was best able to give expression to this sentiment was Bolsonaro's.
>Not only that, he also did more to address issues that the Workers Party (PT) had been, up to that point, neglecting. Bolsonaro's "tough on crime" attitude was/is very popular, and he picked the winning side on the culture war. They surpassed the left on almost every level.
>Still, and this is where Bolsonaro differs from Trump (and why there's no "Brazilian Trump"), it stands true that Bolsonaro isn't behind any kind of current or former industrial proletariat. No striving for more development, better industry, etc.
>Politically, he represents no will for an unleashing of any productive forces except the backwards extractive economy and the parasitical service sector. Brazilian cities have been swarmed with Uber drivers and delivery app bikers over the last 6 years. There's no plan for them.
>His movement does not embody a positive vision for Brazil's future, only a negative one (free from crime, free from corruption, free from the left) — without providing the means, or a pathway, for draining the swamp.
>Ironically, Bolsonaro, once in power, has become what his base despises — corrupt, laid back, and hooking his family and friends up with stable office jobs. Yet his popularity is untarnished. He still gives ideological expression to real demands in a more meaningful way than PT.
>As movements, both petismo and bolsonarismo, now having proved to be equally as popular, act as if their surface level differences are insurmountable. The real reconciliation for the Brazilian people is yet to come, and, as I see it right now, won't emerge from neither.
>Lula won't be able to deliver what he's promising. He won in 2022 based on the vision of "Making Brazil 2002 again". But he will never bring back the specific internal and external conditions that brought us the economic boom of the 2000s.
>It will be Lula's inevitable failure to deliver that will bring forth the sublation of these two movements. In the coming years, Bolsonaro will either rebrand, shift the vibe and become the next popular leader, or he will be discarded by history.
>I see the Workers Party as a defunct one. Lula's victory is a necessary step in burying our decaying republic. His failure will expose the inaptitudes of our state just as much as Biden's catastrophic administration is showing Americans where the deep state really stands.
>Given Bolsonaro's personal stupidity (he's way closer to a Biden than a Putin at that), I doubt of his capacity to lead Brazil's next historical phase. My prediction is that he'll be slowly phased out for someone else who can more accurately capture the sentiment of the masses.
>But what do I know. I'm glad to be proven wrong. As for PT, I also think this is their final act, and that their movement will also be splintered and phased out in the long term.
No.567747
>>567735Honestly, it's completely up to Lula. As far as I can tell, the electoral left has deliberately chosen to keep people demobilized and rely solely on vooooting back in 2021 when they had the opportunity to ramp up mobilization in the wake of the COVID Senate enquiry, which means that he now lives or dies (perhaps literally so) on simple polliticking, backroom deals and the like. So if he doesn't finally grow some balls and play that game for keeps, he
will get couped again at some point because he won't have street presence to save him.
No.567749
>>567746>on TwitterI don't care.
No.567753
>>567743Vi fotos de JP e achei uma cidade linda, quando tiver independência financeira quero morar lá
No.567755
>>567746Is this clown Jones Manoel? Seems like what that idiot would say
No.567758
Eu até pensaria em mudar-me pro Nordeste, mas não suporto calor. Já sofro aqui no Trópico de Capricórnio, que dirá no Equador.
No.567760
>>567755Não parece nada com que ele falaria, lol.
No.567762
>>567755Porra, o Jones fez campanha pelo Lula no segundo turno, ele nunca colocaria o mesmo em pé de igualdade com o Bolsonaro nos termos imbecis que esse usuário de twitter utilizou.
No.567764
>>567758O calor do nordeste imagino que seria como se fosse verão ano todo lá, não é muito mais quente, a diferença é que não tem estação fria
No.567766
>>567755Who is that nιgga?
No.567768
>>567766Member of the PCB that makes some videos on Youtube. I have no idea why that anon assumed that was him, he would never talk favourly about Trump, lmao.
No.567770
>>567764Se pelo menos tivesse local com altitude alta pra amenizar o calor…
No.567774
>>567773*possíveis ministérios
Aldo Rebello é triste demais em nome de Jesus
No.567776
Qual Rui Costa?
No.567778
>>567774Eu não conheço Aldo. O que tu ten a dizer sobre o sujeito?
No.567780
>>567776Ex-governador da Bahia
No.567782
>>567773>Gabriel Galípolo na FazendaCerteza que vai chamar Paulo Gala e Andre Roncaglia pras secretarias.
No.567783
>>567778Até onde eu sei ele era simpatizante do Bozo, mas estou aberto a me provarem o contrário. Acho que esse chute da CNN aí passou muito longe viu.
>>567782Será?
No.567787
congratz, BR
love, burgershart
No.567788
>>567783A CNN foi bolsonarista em
off até bem recentememente. Os rumores que ela divulgar muito provalvemente tem intenção de manipular.
>>56778602, the son responsible for Bozo's internet presence, and, supposedly, his main puppeteer, also broke internet contact with Michelle and with 03, and probably with others.
No.567790
>>567783>Será?Confia.
Pelo menos o André vai receber uma posição no ministério, o Gala é mais Faria Lima.
No.567800
Inb4 impeachment based on trumped up corruption charges
No.567806
In the last 12 hours, Lula received more diplomatic calls from foreign countries than Bozo did in his entire life.
No.567813
>>567795>Que Deus tenha piedade dos desenformados.E dos analfabetos, também.
No.567815
>>567807patsocs on suicide watch
No.567819
>>567815alguem me explica o que diabo é um patsoc e porque eles não apoiaram Lula por "multipolarismo" quando Lula é o candidato que apoia BRICs?
No.567822
>>567817erá obvio né, Lula sempre foi o candidato do
Sexo nesse caso ele é quase um Fidel
>>567819Reacionarios que fazem cosplay de comunista, apoiam tudo que é conservador disendo que é verdadeiramente proletario e coisas como ser um atedente de caixa não.
PCO é sano perto desses caras.
No.567827
>>567817Aff quero transar também. Cansei de ser incel, tomar no cu. Até parei de bater punheta de tão mórbido que está. PRECISO de buceta.
No.567829
>>567827o segredo é bebida alcoolica.
No.567831
>>567829Eu não bebo, nem sei onde ir pra achar mulheres. Estou esperando alguma festa na minha faculdade pra ver se consigo, mas não tem nenhuma. Porra não é possível que achar sexo seja tão difícil.
No.567833
>>567790>Pelo menos o André vai receber uma posição no ministérioSó isso aqui já me deixaria feliz.
No.567841
>>567835Que satisfação, camaradas. Que satisfação.
No.567846
>>567843vou rir quando eles forem presos ou intimados.
No.567849
>>567845gozado que esses fan de miliciano vagabundos do caralho tava totalmente Ok com esses preços, ai o pedofilo deles perde e misteriosamente é culpa do Lula.
essa visão de liberaloide me enoja.
No.567851
>>567849Um já tava me dizendo ontem que queria "dólar a 2 reais dia primeiro". Lógica sai voando pela janela mesmo.
No.567855
>>567851a dipica demencia das politicas de direita, quando é a direita pode ser o lixo que quiser, quando é a esquerda o paiz tem que virar Startrek no mesmo dia.
O joao carvalho tinha falado disso uma vez quando falava da USSR e a endustrializaçao (Não me lembro do video e questão) onde ele fala exatamente isso, a direita poe um estandarte impossivel de se realizar em tudo que a esquerda faz, e quando não é realizado comesão a falar que falharam e outras merdas.
é tao recorrente que podemos definir o direitismo como Mentir, Ser hipocrita e criar delirios pra ficar batendo.
No.567858
>>567776O que não é baseado.
No.567860
>>567855Isso afeta até as falas de quem é de esquerda. Se você vai defender o seu ponto em público eles te pedem uma tese com todas as fontes e anos de experiência. Se for um lixo qualquer de direita basta inventar qualquer merda que o pessoal aceita.
Vide: O debate entre Elias e a Renata.
No.567863
>Bolso still hasnt made any statement
Either the guy killed himself or he's planning something with his militias. But then again the guy is too stupid to plan anything.
No.567864
>>567860verdade, e isso tem que acabar se qualquer tipo de esquerda quer progredir.
a questão é, o que empodera essa logica, e como acabar ou melhor, revirar isso contra a direita ?
No.567867
>>567863He is a coward and a whiny bitch behind his mask
No.567869
Caminhoneiro é tudo corno filho da puta mesmo
Brasil percisa urgente de uma malha ferroviária
No.567871
>>567860>>567855Por isso defendo a adoção de postura moral por nossa parte, assim como cinismo e com táticas retóricas apropriadas. Tentar debater com reaça patológico é infrutífero, como os debates com participação do Bozo mostram. Diante deles, é preciso investir em pura retórica ao invés de dialética. Vencer debate com eles requer desqualificá-los em público, e não seus argumentos, mesmo porque eles freqüentemente não os têm.
No.567873
>>567869Concordo com teu post, mas no fim eles são tão peões como o resto.
Tem que ir atrás de quem financia.
No.567875
>>567871eu concordo, crar uma doutrina para debate moralista contra o liberalismo pra poder desqualificar eles nos olhos do povo é nescessario.
sabe quem vem a mente nisso ?. o Brizola.
No.567879
>>567746>Culture warThis guy is too americanized to make a lucid analysis
Also it's all wrong
No.567883
>>567875Another victim of Lula and his cult of personality hogging the electoral left. He was too good for this gay Earth.
No.567887
>run the most expensive electoral campaign in human history>still losehttps://www.bbc.com/portuguese/brasil-63419897Pictured are the most crassly cynical vote-buying schemes Bozo passed this year in his attempt to get re-elected, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. It doesn't include plausibly deniable expenditures, nor the Homeric amounts which was just plain diverted towards this end – he created a Congressional vote-buying pork barrell scheme which added up to 65 billion put together, and God knows how much of this came back, after laundering, to finance this campaign. And then there's the legal and illegal private funds which went into this futile effort.
Add all of these up, and it's definitely higher than the current record-holder, Biden's $11.4b burgerbux. If Paulo Guedes hadn't deliberately fucked our exchange rate over, it could be as much a 3x as Biden's record.
No.567891
>>567889It's no big deal so far. And not the first time Bozo uses truckers as stooges like this.
No.567898
>>567887>Biden's $11.4b burgerbux.Oops, it's actually 14.4b
Still, Bozo probably surpassed it.
No.567900
Camaradas, está perfeito assistir o meltdown que os bolsoloides estão fazendo, gostaria de ver mais, não vou mentir
VÃO CHORAR ATÉ QUANDO??? CHEGA DE MIMIMI!!!!!! PARECEM UM BANDO DE MARICAS!!!!!
No.567907
>>567900Nem me fale. Estou aproveitando ao máximo.
>>567902Inflação.
No.567909
>>567887This just confirms my belief that taxi drivers get the wall
No.567911
>>567889Não vamos normalizar a situação, é preocupante em certo nível. Mas pensa um pouco, se os militares resolverem golpear seguindo o desejo desse amontanhado de bosta aí, vão se escorar no que para manter a legitimidade da ditadura deles? A comunidade internacional reconheceu a vitória do Lula em tempo recorde, não vai ter tio sam pra bancar golpe não.
No.567914
>2 horas atrás
>Polícia Militar do DF fecha Esplanada dos Ministérios, em Brasília, após informações da inteligência apontar a aproximação de caminhões, com risco de ataques a órgãos públicos.
TODO DIA ISSO MALUCO, TIFUDÊ
No.567915
>>567911Cara, é basicamente isso, não só a bancada internacional como os próprios aliados dele já levantaram a bandeira branca de abaixar a bola, talvez exceção da ala mais devota dele (acho que seriamos bom começarmos a tratar isso como realmente é, uma RELIGIÃO (que é ideologia, mas é bom fazer a distinção pra ter impacto, né), sinalizando que seria melhor ele ficar de boa
Vamo lembrar também que ele é um covarde de merda que se esconde sempre que percebe que não ta tendo o apoio que esperava, video o lance de privatizar o SUS DURANTE A PANDEMIA, então é de se esperar q ele se mantenha como o gatinho acuado que ele está demonstrando ser
No.567918
>>567914Cara, é inacreditável
No.567919
>>567666Augusto Nunes e Fuiza também supostamente foram demitidos.
Mas é aquela coisa, mesmo que isso não seja pura invenção, pode ser igual à "demissão" do supremestiço Adrilles. Ou da cubana que Taubaté, que foi "censurada pelo patê" semana passada mas já está de volta.
O Guga Noblat disse que ele mesmo foi demitido, mas explicitamente por não defender a emissora nesse chororô falso sobre censura. Os bolseiros, claro, já estão dizendo "nós avisamos que a censura ia chegar até você", e não sei dizer se não percebem a nuance ou se são só mal-caráter mesmo.
No.567920
>>567911Esse pessoal não ironicamente acredita que o presidente é o Messias (inb4 tá no nome), esperar um entendimento de como funciona a política já é demais.
No.567926
>>567924>Person living in an Oligarchical Autocracy in awe at the freedom of an Advanced Democracy's election.damn, hope these guys will one day have freedom and democracy.
No.567928
>>567924"So, they have more efficient ways to do so?"
No.567930
Já imaginaram como seria se o Trump fosse o presidente americano? acredito que a postura da comunidade internacional esteja pesando em qualquer resposta do bozo, como disse um fellow anão aqui, só que com outro lunático e lunático este que ele tanto idolatra como presidente dos estados unidos, acham que isso se tornaria uma crise maior?
No.567935
>>567933He's right tho, our media has been shamelessly pro-Ukraine because it parrots Western media's bullshit nonstop.
No.567937
>>567924kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
No.567940
>>567935The media being x doesn't automatically translate to the population being x. Most people are only worried with the war because of prices, they don't actually care about neither Ukraine nor Russia in particular.
No.567942
agamenon gonçalves
No.567943
>>567935Acho que os únicos brasileiros que dá pra dizer que são realmente pró-Ucrânia são pessoas ligadas à mídia hegemônica, o MBL e ancaps. Pelo que eu vi, são os únicos que chegam no nível de tietagem gringa pela Ucrânia. E além do mais é uma pauta que pro brasileiro médio é quase irrelevante.
No.567946
so its now been officially 24 hours since we were last blessed by bozos wise words
any ideas what his plan might be? if he even has one
No.567947
>>567946He's been missing for over 24 hours already? Damn
No.567949
>>567947He's finally quarantining.
No.567951
Question, why does Bolsonaro have so much support? Is it because he's nominally multi-polarist? All his other policies are absolute dogshit aren't they?
No.567952
>>567946Hope he uses Vargas's secret technique.
No.567953
>>567889It's curious to me because these truckers aren't independent contractors but company men who get constantly fucked over.
No.567954
>>567951Same reason Trump does: because facts literally don't matter anymore. It's all about narrative, image, spin, what-have-you.
And he's not multi-polarist at all. I doubt he can even spell the word.
No.567957
>>567953oh they're 'company men' alright
No.567959
>>567951The media kept shitting on the sucdem left and inadvertently paved the way for this incompetent fascist. His term was awful by any metric, he openly mocked people dying of COVID and the economy is giga shit. It's just cultist anticommunism
No.567962
>>567953Well if truckers there are anything like in America, they probably listen to right wing talk radio all day.
No.567964
>>567954>>567954this hes literally a zionist usa cuck constantly shitting on venezuela cuba and china for being le evil commies
No.567967
>>567959>It's just cultist anticommunismNah, that's just one ingredient of many in a recipe in which no single ingredient is really necessary. You could remove several and still end up with the same final product.
No.567969
>>567966northeast is the poorer region and thus, filled with gigachads
No.567971
>>567966in Red= Civilized
in Yellow= Needs to be Civilized
No.567973
>>567966Yellow needs to be barrel bombed and sarin gassed
No.567975
>>567966The red is for regions where Lula won, the darker the red, more votes he recieved against Bolsonaro
in yellow is the same, but with bolsonaro
Hope it helped
No.567979
>>567966Country tends to be more radical in third world shit holes than in developed nations so you'll have the massive polarized politics with the city people being right wing and rich and the country people poor and radical.
No.567981
>>567969>>567979It's important to note that Lula won in big cities like São Paulo and Porto Alegre, so it's not purely a rich vs. poor or urban vs. rural thing.
No.567983
Ao menos a esquerda recuperou o ABC e a capital de SP (onde o Lula recebeu 60% dos votos)
No.567985
>>567979Keep in mind lula won in greater metropolitan area of São Paulo while Bozo won in the countryside, São Paulo state at least follows the American dichotomy where the Urban centers are more left wing and the countryside reactionary
No.567987
>>567922Me recuso a acreditar que gringos são de verdade.
No.567990
>>567981Yep, it is rather dangerous to oversimplify this, as this way to put it certanly will limit ourselves in our way to act (implying that we will do anything anyway) so a deep analysis to understand why fenomenons like bolsonarism can spread like wildfire in some regions while others mantain their sanity and how to fight against it
No.567992
>>567990is necessary** (add it at the ending, please)
No.567994
>>567987As discussões de ontem nesse fio só aumentaram o meu ranço de gringo.
No.567996
>>567994Gringo é o povo mais alienado do historia, não é de esperar pois são vitima da maior maquina de propaganda da historia.
o problema é que como uma infecção, eles leva pros otros.
No.567998
>>567996Soma com o etnocentrismo e boom, você tem desastres como os de ontem
No.568001
Intankavel ianque querendo falar pra BR que Lula é liberal
No.568002
>>567985That's curious to me cuz Brazil is comparable to Venezuela so it's curious why Brazil shares more politics to that of the US reactionary country to the progressive urban areas.
No.568004
>>568001o pior é chegar com a grande análise totalmente inédita de que Lula não é socialista
é de botar o Marx pra chorar com tamanha inteligência
No.568008
>>567966>RedReal Patriots
>YellowGusanos
No.568010
>>568002An media that just copy-paste what the US media do + an intelligentsia that graduated in majority from US academia and then formed the proceeding generations of "intellectuals" in the country = what you see.
No.568012
>>568006Aparece que foco do Lula vai ser as Industrias essa vez
No.568013
>>568010not a single word of class is mentioned.
No.568015
>>568006Ô campanha do Lula, estão perdendo a oportunidade de fazer golpe de publicidade. Falem que vão desfazer tudo que o palhaço fez, até voltar com os nomes dos ministérios alterados, e vai usando isso pra fazer média com a populção.
No.568017
>>568013you don't think the media and the state intelligentsia don't affect the political formation and behavior of the nation as well how the classes act ?;
No.568019
>>568002I'd say Brazil is, in a general sense, closer to the South of the USA than to Venezuela because of the process of colonization.
Also, this dichotomy isn't really followed outside of São Paulo.
In Rio Grande do Sul, the south is more left-wing while the north is more right-wing. In the Northeast, Bolsonaro has more votes in the big cities than the countryside, while he still can't get a majority among the urban population. In Santa Catarina, where I live and that is one of the most conservative states, the few towns Lula won are in the western countryside while the big cities were all pro-Bolsonaro.
No.568021
O Lula no 1° recebeu 7 milhões de votos a mais que o Bozo, obviamente o Bozo não teria conseguido virar tudo isso de voto, a diferença ínfima se deve à sabotagem dos vermes da PRF
No.568023
>>568021Essa porra foi notícia no mundo inteiro, é uma coisa que só acontece em ditaduras.
No.568027
>>568023E a mídia já varreu pra debaixo do tapete.
O PT não fez regulação de mídia e se fodeu por isso. Agora, regulação é muito pouco, vai ter que peitar mesmo pra não tomar golpe.
>>568021Devem ter tido milhões de esquemas de todos os tipos.
No.568031
>>568029Só agora descobriram que estavam em um balde de caranguejos esse tempo todo?
No.568033
>>568025>>568025Vergonhoso? Isso me enche de ódio e vontade de matar toda a classe policial desse país.
No.568035
>>568033No Minecraft claro
No.568037
>>568031Até o arrombado do diretor da PRF eles já estão rifando por ter dito na TV que os caminhoneiros devem ser punidos.
No.568039
>>568033Finalmente tá entendendo pra que serve a "Direita", pra dar experiencia quando mata.
no Minecraft é claro.
No.568041
>>568012Finalmente né porra. E que rasgue esse país todo de ferrovias.
Also, imagem curiosa.
No.568045
>>568041>picQual a explicação materialista pra isso?
No.568048
>>568043>normal == EUADá pra tankar não.
No.568054
>>568041Caramba n imaginava que tinha tanto minion em JP
No.568062
>>568058o Lula nem avizou pra eu me juntar aos esquadroes açougueiro pra picar uns gados
No.568067
>>568058>bolsonaro loses>inevitable coup happens>its against bolsonaro because lmaohmm… zesty timeline. +1
No.568069
Voltando do curso acho q acabei de vivenciar uma situação de privilégio branco
No.568071
>>568058Left-wing death squads
A man can only dream
No.568073
>>568058coisas ditas por reaças que seriam bacana se fossem verdade
No.568077
Em Belém, um bando de baderneiros trajados de amarelo esstão mendigando golpe militar em frente ao quartel. Estão bloqueando o tráfego e ameaçando moradores que ostentam apoio ao PT em suas casas.
No.568081
>>568058Why are people playing around the idea of a coup on this board? Maduro hasn't been couped, nor a bunch of other pink tide dudes. Lula isn't a communist but a pink tide socdem. A coup always requires a military wholly loyal only to the man rather than the "legal system".
No.568083
>>568079>>568079Fraudulento de acordo com o cu da mãe desse chinlet do caralho ne?
No.568099
>>568090Confirmou com base no quê, alguém me explica.
No.568101
>>568081Because there was a mini coup during the elections. The police stopped thousands trying to vote in nordeste (the region with the most Lula chads in brazil). And this was only one of the dozen attempts in these 4 years of bolsonaro.
T. Brasileiro que não subestima o poder do fascismo.
No.568103
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No.568105
>>568045Proletarização e acesso a Internet (outras fontes de informação)
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