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>John Fitzgerald Kennedy (May 29, 1917 – November 22, 1963), often referred to by his initials JFK and the nickname Jack, was an American politician who served as the 35th president of the United States from 1961 until his assassination near the end of his third year in office. Kennedy was the youngest person to assume the presidency by election. He was also the youngest president at the end of his tenure. Kennedy served at the height of the Cold War, and the majority of his work as president concerned relations with the Soviet Union and Cuba. He was a Democrat who represented Massachusetts in both houses of the U.S. Congress prior to his presidency.

>On November 22, 1963, Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas. His vice president, Lyndon B. Johnson, assumed the presidency upon Kennedy's death. Lee Harvey Oswald, a former U.S. Marine, was arrested for the assassination, but he was shot and killed by Jack Ruby two days later. The FBI and the Warren Commission both concluded Oswald had acted alone. After Kennedy's death, Congress enacted many of his proposals, including the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Revenue Act of 1964.


Who actually killed this guy? Did the CIA or rogue elements of the CIA kill him? Was there a second shooter? Or was Oswald a patsy, as he always insisted? If so, does that mean a Marxist actually assassinated a president?

After all these years and all the theories, what's /leftypol/'s take on it?
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 No.573328

>>573268
Spooks

 No.573329

>>573326
Oh, a virus. Splendid.

 No.573330

>>573329
is it really?

 No.573331

>>573313
Didn't FDR say when he was dying that his greatest accomplishment was saving capitalism in America?

 No.573332

>>573300
Came here to post this.

 No.573333

But why male models?

 No.573334

>>573299

Interesting but how do I know all this isnt schizo stuff?

 No.573335

>>573311

I guess he means, too much money, secret money that lead to more HUGE spending for two decades on nuclear weapons

 No.573336

>>573330
No the brainlet is afraid of a book. Literally.

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 No.573338

>>573334
These letters are public knowledge, as are the relationship between De Mohrenschildt, Bush, and Oswald, which was dismissed by the Warren commission (literally run by CIA officials with a clear conflict of interest) as a "mere coincidence."

https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/finding-aids/jfk-key-persons

the letters are discussed in detail in Russ Baker's book "Family of Secrets" which is about the Bush family. that author sourced the letter from a separate non-government archive. Here's the footnote from Russ Baker:

>Letter from de Mohrenschildt to Bush, available through the Mary Ferrell Foundation Web site(www.maryferrell.org). It includes the official routing slip where Bush checks “yes” after “do you know this individual?” (104-10414-10013). Also available is a memorandum from Inspector General John Waller to Bush summarizing what is in the CIA files on de Mohrenschildt (104-10414- 10378); and a letter from Bush to de Mohrenschildt 104-10414-10134).


Mary Ferrell's website is very early 00s energy and hard to navigate, so I forget precisely how I got to the letters, but they are contained somewhere in PDF form on that website. there's a database explorer with tons of public records that to this day are under-studied.

https://www.maryferrell.org/php/jfkdb.php?field=all&filters=contains:subjects.demohrenschildt

 No.573339

>>573329
it's an epub dude. scan it.

 No.573340

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>>573293
could you elaborate?

 No.573341

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>>573268
>who killed jfk
Oswald was a fall guy for the mob, who was paid by lyndon johnson to kill kennedy, so he could become president.
Oswald was detained and arrested, then killed by jack ruby in broad daylight, who later was also assassinated. It was all set up.
Nixon later alluded to the idea that johnson had kennedy killed, in conspiracy with the "deep state", which also forced him out with the watergate scandal.

 No.573342

>>573293
It's not that they lost but that JFK directly contributed to that loss by denying air support for the invasion. At least that's how the theory goes.
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1963/01/24/JFK-denies-US-planned-Cuba-invasion-air-cover/9414572358840/

 No.573343

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>>573268
Clay Shaw.

https://news.italy24.press/trends/amp/273621
>Almost sixty years after the assassination of the president John F. Kennedy, the US State Archives has released a new batch of documents once classified as “confidential” and linked to the murder. The files, almost 13,000 pages, are visible on the National Archives website, archives.gov. But not all. 30% of the sixteen thousand overall files remain top secret

>The secret files on JFK


>President Joe Biden said releasing the files is very important to show government transparency. In 1992 Congress had declared that all “government documents” concerning the attack that took place in Dallas in ’63 had to be made public”, but under pressure from intelligence agencies, starting with CIA and FBI publication had been postponed


>Among the files declassified today by the White House and concerning the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, the newspapers Messaggero and Corriere della Sera and the Parliamentary Yearbook are cited. In a report dated March 8, 1967, copies of articles from the two newspapers are attached which, speaking of the investigations, refer to the involvement of Clay Shaw. This is the American entrepreneur and secret agent who was later the only one indicted for the Kennedy murder. Shaw was later found not guilty


>During the trial, in ’69, a witness indicated in Shaw the man she met at a party she had attended Lee Harvey Oswald, considered the material executor of the president’s assassination. Shaw died in ’74 at age 61. The articles cited by Intelligence in the “secret” file also mention the World Trade Center, a subsidiary suspected of having been used by the CIA to transfer funds to Italy for espionage activities and of which Shaw was a member. The 1963-64 edition of the Parliamentary Yearbook is cited in which a link is attributed between the World Trade Center and Permindex, a Swiss commercial holding company


>The CIA has always denied that this holding company was a front company for American intelligence operations

 No.573344

>>573268
What does the average American think happened there? That he was just an insane lone wolf? That he was a Cuban or Soviet ploy? (if they think that, is there a reason beyond "hating 'murica"?). The conspiracy theories seem pretty common as well. Not american so I don't know all the cultural shit

 No.573345

>>573344
there's a ton of shit - i guess the bottom line is that his death was so unprecedented social cohesion that it seemed to require an equally huge explanation. Remember this was the early 60s which was basically still the 1950s placid leave it to beaver 1950s society.

 No.573346

>>573341
he definitely showed her jumbo

 No.573347

>>573275
/thread

 No.573348

Just in time:

Ben Norton's Deep State Series episode on JFK is out now

https://youtu.be/5N5bs1IGLQo

 No.573349

>>573292
>No, it's illegal for them to do involve themselves in domestic issues.
lol, back in the 60s and before they completely ignored this. This was around the exact time they were doing MKULTRA bullshit. Besides the idea is that it was a rogue faction of the CIA or ex glowies

 No.573350

>>573348
thanks anon will give this a watch

 No.573351

Vladimir putin

 No.573352

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>>573344
Most don't think about it much, but I'd say the majority would say there was a conspiracy, and if you asked "whodunnit" a lot of them would say the CIA or something but they wouldn't really be able to articulate why. I think that's an important thing, the lack of a theory to understand the why, not necessarily the who or the what.

Also I strongly suspect the propensity for believing that Oswald was just a lone nut goes up the more affluent you are. The more you buy in / benefit in the "system" the less likely you're gonna believe that "the system" (or forces produced by it) killed JFK, because that creates a lot of cognitive dissonance about the nature of "the system" in which you're benefiting from. I think higher propensity to believe in a conspiracy is related to distrust in "the system," so it reached a high in the mid-late-1970s, declined, but then has gone up again. Might be at an all-time high.

There has also been new work on it, like Oliver Stone's new film (narrated by Whoopi Goldberg, who is someone liberals will relate to). I think blacks btw are gonna be more open to the idea "yeah, they killed that guy," because they're just more skeptical of glowies than white liberals are even if they – on the whole – are in the same "party." They have their own history of that happening to their leaders. But the interest in JFK was also a "boomer" thing for awhile, and I don't think the left paid much attention to it either, and I remember just a few years ago how it was common for leftists to say "who cares, JFK was just another imperialist," and while I think that's true it's also kinda stupid. I think that's changed, because there's more of an awareness that even if you were a nice "liberal" imperialist or a social democrat doesn't mean there wasn't a military-threaded ultra-right that is taking your number and thinking about how to take you down for not being hard enough on the commies.

Which is what I think it was really about, and why most Americans lack a theory to understand the why. It was sort of like McCarthyism by other means. Like a lot of "communists" in America were not really that red. The ones in the thick of it were, but there were plenty of "fellow travelers" who were basically liberals on the periphery of it, in media circles or in public service who thought Stalin was weird but socialism sounded like a good idea and a likely future form of society, and maybe they read Monthly Review and then BAM – they got hit by a hammer in the early 50s and they dropped all of that. Not the ones who went to prison, but the ones on the outer orbit.

People like AOC. She interned for Ted Kennedy and she's a "socialist" now because it's sorta okay now, but she might've been in the Communist Party in the 30s. There were a lot of people like that. Some ended up coming back, getting jobs in the State Department during the Kennedy administration, now as anti-communist technocratic liberals, and they fucked it up and the situation escalated and now there are Soviet missiles in Cuba and so… what were the ultra-right guys thinking? They might've thought, these guys are either incompetents, or they're crypto-commies, Kennedy is compromised, maybe HE'S ONE TOO. You see how these paranoid freaks act.

But you couldn't talk about communism in the United States. Or what these guys were willing to do to stop anything that smelled like it.

Lastly, this is why I believe that ~conspiravision~ brain is a distraction, like Q-Anon people. I went to Dealey Plaza one time, the building Oswald was in is now a museum, and then there a handful of local guys who mill around on weekends, and independently give conspiracy-themed street tours and sell conspiracy literature to people – some of it quite good actually. But I was talking to one guy, and he was an older black dude, and I said in so many words that Kennedy was killed by hardliners within the "national security" state because they didn't think he was tough enough on the communists, and this guy became visibly uncomfortable. Like the "communist" word is still taboo for that older generation, and then he said something about the Rothschild bankers and the Trilateral Commission being involved and something about how the Vietnamese weren't "really" communists. That has to be written out of the story, even the conspiracy theorists do it.

Like talking to someone in Deus Ex who is right that it was a conspiracy but also sorta gets it wrong (although in Deus Ex the Illuminati is very real).

It's interesting though. The JFK assassination has become part of the American folklore, because the circumstances of the assassination have shaped the country and the world we live in today. A lot of people get the sense that there's something deeply *wrong* about the country and that moment is part of the reason.

 No.573353

>>573352
>A lot of people get the sense that there's something deeply *wrong* about the country and that moment is part of the reason.
JFK, 9/11, Vietnam, Iraq War, MK Ultra. The list is endless really.

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 No.573355

>>573352
the average American views it as basically an antiquated societal ill. Yeah the CIA probably killed Kennedy, it was 60 years ago, watcha gonna do. In the grand scheme of things a historical coup is not really that earth shattering. Many republican types probably view it as a modest good, that was when the CIA was on our side against the communists.

 No.573356

>>573355
>In the grand scheme of things a historical coup is not really that earth shattering.
No, but I think it is different in the U.S. because Americans like to believe they're exceptional. Coups? That's something that happens in other countries? Nationalism? That's a thing other people do, we call it patriotism.

 No.573357

>>573356
From my experience, a lot of the republican boomers I've talked to in rural areas fully embrace nationalism.

 No.573358

>>573268
>What actually killed this guy?
intense pressure over record high budget military contracts

 No.573359

Heads explode on their own sometimes. It's rare but it happens.

 No.573360

It was almost certainly Jean Rene Souetre working on behalf of the CIA.

Souetre was a high ranking member of OAS in Algeria. After Algerian independence, OAS members mostly fled to Spain, Portugal, and South America; Souetre made contact with Howard Hunt in Madrid in April-May 1963 and was trying to get CIA support for OAS as the only viable alternative to communism in France.

Souetre was then in New Orleans and Dallas, known to have met with General Edwin Walker; he was training anti-Castro Cuban exile forces in the US before returning to Spain in July 1963. He was arrested by Dallas police within one or two days of the Kennedy assassination, but for unknown reasons he was ordered to be released. He then escaped to Mexico. French intelligence were trying to find him in Mexico because de Gaulle planned to make a state visit there in 1964, and Souetre had been behind multiple assassination attempts of the French president. While the FBI and INS had no information on Souetre, the CIA had records and photographs of the man.

Souetre slipped away to Madrid in 1964 and re-emerged in Lisbon in 1966, organizing mercenaries to overthrow the government of the Congo on behalf of the Portuguese government.

The enmity between OAS and JFK is well-documented; as a senator, JFK was extremely pro-Algerian independence and shaped de Gaulle's stance on Algeria as president. However I don't believe Souetre was acting on behalf of OAS as revenge against Kennedy for Algeria, given Souetre's extensive collaboration with the CIA in the months prior to the assassination, and the fact that he was arbitrarily released from police custody in Dallas the day after the assassination.

https://archive.org/stream/nsia-SouetreJean/nsia-SouetreJean/Souetre%20Jean%20063_djvu.txt

 No.573361

>>573360
Ok, if it was Jean Rene Souetre, then why was Oswald given the job at the book depository by a Russian white emigre and probable glowie who was a family friend of CIA agent, future CIA director, future president GHW Bush? Was Oswald the fall guy?

 No.573362

>>573361
>Was Oswald the fall guy
Yes, and the anti-Castro Cubans thing is an important linkage.

Ex-FBI man Guy Bannister trained anti-Castro Cubans in New Orleans after his retirement and published the right-wing "Louisiana Intelligence Digest" journal. He was responsible for financing OAS via the World Anti Communist League, particularly the Anti Communist League of the Caribbean which was headquartered in New Orleans. According to Banister's secretary and others, he employed Lee Harvey Oswald in the summer of 1963 in New Orleans, or at the very least his intelligence company was in the same building and right next to the office of Oswald's pro-Castro org.

Bannister organized the raid on the Houma, LA munitions dump and the stolen weapons were seen stashed in his offices. I have read in a few places that the weapons were originally meant for the OAS before plans changed and they were reallocated for Bay of Pigs. I'm at least willing to believe that could be true just because of Bannister's role in financing OAS. Bannister worked with David Ferrie, in particular the two coordinated the Houma raid together, and Ferrie who knew Oswald from their time in Civil Air Patrol together.

I believe Oswald was an unfortunate victim who was drawn into the plot by random chance. He was on the radar of these people and probably just seen as an easily manipulated mope. His fellow CAP guys seemed to have never liked him and just thought he was stupid and edgy for talking about Communism and defecting all the time. He had a dossier initially because of his work with the U2 spy planes, and his file was just randomly chosen as bait for a mole hunt–basically the CIA would pretend to believe that Oswald was a Russian spy, and if an American spy in Moscow received information about a suspected mole matching Oswald's description, then it would indicate to the CIA that there was a leak. I believe that this random selection snowballed over the years and developed Oswald into a pawn of the CIA in various other activities and he was never fully aware of any of it.

 No.573363

>>573302
common left cath dub

 No.573364

>>1343431
what do people always accusse lefties of wanting to be stalin? if you post on an imageboard your probably uncomfortable giving a speech why tf would you want to be the leader of a party.

 No.573365

>>1343431
wtf does this retarded post have to do with who you are responding to

>try to sell communism to Americans back during the foundation of the country.


Communism didn't exist in 1776. Karl Marx was born in 1818. The Manifesto was written in 1848. Das Kapital was written in the 1860s. The Paris Commune was in 1871. Where is your brain?

 No.573366

CIA has still refused to release all the files and the ones they did are still redacted

 No.573367

>>573268
cia dun it necrobump

 No.573368

My conspiracy theory is that lee harvey oswald actually did it, and actually was a communist, but the cia spread conspiracy theories that he couldnt have done it, because the us president being killed by a communist made the government seem a lot less invincible than they wanted to seem at the time

 No.573369

bump

 No.573370

>>573367
another necrobump. Any update on this, did the CIA release any more of the files or are they still delaying?

 No.573371

>>573368
didn't oswald stop being a communist after he returned from the soviet union?

 No.573372

Alphabet soup did it because he wasn't escalating war with Cuba like they wanted to.

 No.573373

>>573372
not to mention his plan to pull out of vietnam by the end of '65

 No.573374

>>573268
Rightoids because he was soft on Cuba.

 No.573375

interesting video on the topic

 No.573376

Xavier

 No.573377

George H. W. Bush is a good start
http://www.umsl.edu/~thomaskp/dpage.htm


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