>>577140I tried. Got yelled at for not being ideologically pure enough. "Red fash", "both sides", "nothing should change, because the replacement
might be exact same".
>>577138I think we know at this point that these retards are most likely NAFOids getting buttmad about liquidated Ukronazis
Post more liquidated ukrops
(Seriously Spoiler your damn videos if there is going to be gore in them. Stop being retarded) >>577146Hmm.
>>1500320>Not if the bourgeois victors against US imperialism just reproduce the same capitalist imperialism, which they are doing, with neocolonies, suppression of organized labor, expansive censorship/surveillance. You are peddling a vulgar pseudo-antiimperialism and it misleads you as well as others from the communist path.
Pretty much.
>>577134>nooo, stop cheering for Western decline!Who isn't? The USA falling is great- but this war isn't going to bring overall Western Decline, especially since NATO got two new member states out of this.
>you are deviating from Marxist orthodoxy IN what way is this happening?
>Russia and China may be even worse!no one is saying this. Pointing out Russia's reactionary policies on its own citizens and economy isn't giving the US a pass.
>and I won't benefit!huh
>and might actually experience revolutionary conditions!If this was the case, we'd have a revolution by now.
>nooooooWho are you even quoting? A bunch of douche bags from reddit?
>>577152>but this war isn't going to bring overall Western Decline, especially since NATO got two new member states out of this. This war happened because NATO escalation, the RF did not "aid" NATO by invading Ukraine apropos of some opportunistic imperialist ambition. The RF is protecting their place in the new world order but to omit the US wanting to reassert their hegemony as the existential threat and main reason for the cold war partition is implicitly defending US hegemony.
>The USA falling is greatThis is why there is an Ukraine war, a cold war spreading and why the west is causing runaway consumer good inflation and disciplining their workforces and so on.
>>577152
>If this was the case, we'd have a revolution by now. This time there are no demsocs to bribe the west, they are rabid noliberals in all but name and the only thing they can mollify the public with is idpol and chauvinistic propaganda. Call it a wild guess but IMO the west is headed to revolution or open fascism.
>>577179Death to America
Cry more NAFOid
there were plenty of problems with the feudal aristocracy, but their power was actually rooted in their monopolization of violence. they literally were trained in fighting better than the vast majority of the population, often led armies into battle, and often died in battle. Even in early modernity, nobles would often be found on the battlefield. Gustavus Adolphus took a bullet to the brain. The feudal aristocracy functioned as a glorified protection racket for the subsistence farmers in their realm. their historical function, in Europe at least, was to fill the regional and administrative power vacuums left by the collapse of the Roman empire. they were far from a pointless class, they had their time and place, and the bourgeoisie replaced them precisely when the contradictions of feudalism caused the feudal order to unravel. this is the entire point of a historical materialist analysis, not to demonize the ruling classes for being Le Bad Meanies, but to demonstrate how, why, and when their time is up.
>>577174>No nation on earth is socialist and capitalism by nature cannot become less exploitativeRead Lenin, you stupid ultra liberal.
State and revolution with you.
>>577176>only through revolutionchange of the ruling class, but of course!
>kautskyist.some very, very, very small sections of his theories were vindicated, but not this part. it requires a change of the ruling class, and the new one requires to openly say they want socialism and end capital exploitation.
>>577201What about the US failing is marxist?
Le heckin so true! In a world where Russia and China are overtly authoritarian neo-imperialist states without any actual remaining socialist economic policy, it makes sense for democratic socialists in the US to support a US-led unipolar order! True anti-establishment leftism is suppressed internally by both Moscow and Beijing, and the US provides the best hope for labour movements and an eventual democratic transition to socialism! Wow!
>>577203>Give me a quote where capitalism supposed becomes less exploitative>The vulgar economists, including the bourgeois professors and “our” Tugan, constantly reproach the socialists with forgetting the inequality of people and with “dreaming” of eliminating this inequality. Such a reproach, as we see, only proves the extreme ignorance of the bourgeois ideologists.
>Marx not only most scrupulously takes account of the inevitable inequality of men, but he also takes into account the fact that the mere conversion of the means of production into the common property of the whole society (commonly called “socialism”) does not remove the defects of distribution and the inequality of "bourgeois laws" which continues to prevail so long as products are divided "according to the amount of labor performed". Continuing, Marx says:
>"But these defects are inevitable in the first phase of communist society as it is when it has just emerged, after prolonged birth pangs, from capitalist society. Law can never be higher than the economic structure of society and its cultural development conditioned thereby."
>And so, in the first phase of communist society (usually called socialism) "bourgeois law" is not abolished in its entirety, but only in part, only in proportion to the economic revolution so far attained, i.e., only in respect of the means of production. "Bourgeois law" recognizes them as the private property of individuals. Socialism converts them into common property. To that extent–and to that extent alone–"bourgeois law" disappears.READ SOME FUCKING THEORY, YOU SUCKER ULTRAhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch05.htm >>577209The focus is on the working class, not picking sides of capital since the working class suffers regardless of who is in charge.
>>577211Can you tell me how this is relevant to nations that both have massive corporations in them? And this isn't "capitalism becoming less exploitative" its the process of abolishing property which no nation of earth is doing
>>577207they've gotten stuck, so the recurrent trolls repeat the Ichkteria and Russia=imperialist.
I am sure he's the b-ack-hmut status questioner that harassed this thread for months until effectively fell.
>>577215>counter-oink needs more wunderwaffen. >>577229Like i'm actually shocked, what what the fuck did their parents do to them
>>577227You're avoiding the question because you know you'd have to admit that you don't give a shit about the working class,
>>577211Are you illiterate? In the section highlighted Lenin only is saying that communists don't seek to abolish bourgeois legality altogether all at once but firstly to abolish private property. Not only is this manifestly not the case in China or Russia where private property is in full swing and maintained by state violence, it is not in the slightest relevant to the question of capitalist states being able to become 'less exploitative' through internal means.
I'm really concerned about the level of marxist education and people's ability to parse marxist works if you're going to pull quotes that contradict your views with such gusto and misguided self-confidence.
>>577217>Can you tell mestop deflecting, I am answered, now concede you were wrong.
>both have massive corporations in them<to the ultra, every nation is equally bad as the u.s.that's all the retarded argument that reeks in the post.
fucking retard.
>>577238>stop deflecting, I am answered, now concede you were wrong.You haven't answered anything you just keep posting memes, you admitted that the working class is not what is important to you so WHY do you pretend to be a marxist, what is the rationale?
> to the ultra, every nation is equally bad as the u.s.This has nothing to do with "good" or "bad", this is knowing how capitalism and capitalist states function, that they MUST exploit
>>577236>are youAre you?
the troll asked
>where capitalism supposed becomes less exploitativeI pointed out that the first stages of communism, socialism, the bourgeoisie law is not abolished.
> legalityIt's not alone legality, are you the illiterate?
Lenin explicitly ties the legal aspect to the means of production:
>only in proportion to the economic revolution so far attained, i.e., only in respect of the means of production. >>577250I did research and saw my opponents were even more retarded than they first appeared. :^)
>imperialism is when you sell resources you extract from yourselfFucking imbecile.
>>577248>you admitted that the working class is not what is important to you so WHY do you pretend to be a marxist,the troll is confusing people now, kek.
go to your reddit hole and go to sleep.
>This has nothing to do with "good" or "bad"for someone concerned about the exploitation of the working class, it seems you don't have the particular clear tags for it.
go fuck yourself, retard.
>>577231>>577243so it's the grillpill all over again?
fucking faggot hiding his namefag.
>>577263>it seems you don't have the particular clear tags for it.Moralisation has no place in communism
>"The moment anyone started to talk to Marx about morality, he would roar with laughter.”- Karl Vörlander
>>577259I'm asking you a simple question that you flat out refuse to answer because you know you don't care about the working class, this is just entertainment for you
>>577277is it? are you ban evading?
tell me how some communists were weak and deserved to get killed by the cia.
>>577271Alrosa extracts from Yakutia and Arkhangelsk, primarily. What the have in Angola is a joint venture.
Maybe you should actually read what you cite, instead of rushing to show Russian extraction companies sharing knowledge of building up means of production with other countries. Or building them electricity infrastructure.
>>577284yet, to you the u.s. is not bad, because
>Moralisation has no place in communismit's ok the u.s. is worst, because
moralism, lmao.
>>577183>This war happened because NATO escalation, the RF did not "aid" NATO by invading Ukraine apropos of some opportunistic imperialist ambition. Hasn't this war been going on since 2014 due to the CIA backed coup which overthrew the pro-Russian government? Russia's invasion into Ukraine past the borders of the DPR and LPR has only emboldended NATO. If we wanted NATO to go, there would be more of an international conflict as opposed to that of a war between two nations.
<inb4 china is aiding russiaChina is aiding russia economically, but hardly in a military sense.
>The RF is protecting their place in the new world order but to omit the US wanting to reassert their hegemony as the existential threat and main reason for the cold war partition is implicitly defending US hegemony.As i've said before, ad nauseum, just because the US falls, doesn't garuntee the overall death of NATO. There will be plenty of countries who would be willing to take NATOs place or at least co-opt its use. We all want NATO to go and the US to fall, but we're likely going to get neither as a result of this war. At best, the US may lose influence in Eastern Europe- but even if Ukraine was to lose- NATO and her member states are only likely to strengthen their resolve. Russia has no interest in ending capitalist hegemony, but rather protecting their own.
Unless we start seeing communist movements take the reigns and start providing people with a genuine alternative, we aren't going to see shit.
>This is why there is an Ukraine war, a cold war spreading and why the west is causing runaway consumer good inflation and disciplining their workforces and so on. Fair, but unlike the last cold war this isn't one of capitalism vs communism, but rather some belief of "democracy vs authoritarianism"
Secondly, the west also has the chance of embracing social-democratic policies as a means to maintain its economies. The Russian federation for instance started doing this- who's to say the West couldn't do this as well?
>America won't Possibly, but as we know, the west isn't just America now, ain't it?
>This time there are no demsocs to bribe the west, they are rabid noliberals in all but name and the only thing they can mollify the public with is idpol and chauvinistic propaganda. Call it a wild guess but IMO the west is headed to revolution or open fascism.This is certainly a possibility, but i've got more of a feeling it could also fall to neither. Crisis under capitalism doesn't necessarily mean everyone goes gun ho and kills eachother- the state clamp down and find ways to maintain its monopoly- if it must nationalise to maintain its capitalist MOP, it will do so. Australia has had a vast history of doing this
although to be fair our government was coup'd by the CIA, twice i may add >>577288>>577288>there is no "good" or "bad" hereyet, you seem
too concerned asking people about being Marxist for real.
> why do you pretend to be a marxist, what is the rationale?when someone posts:
>Death to America>Cry more NAFOidyou are trapped in your own logical fallacies, little bitch. now gtfo and return to the glowhole you belong.
>>577255Let's break the Lenin quote down for you, you clearly won't carefully re-read it yourself and I would like to help you and other anons reading to comprehend Lenin.
Lenin in this passage is is citing Marx's criticism of Lassale that under socialism (that is the first phase of communist society) everyone will receive an equal share of the product of labour, which Marx corrects saying that in Socialism there is still inequality as he who does not work nor shall he eat' and 'equal pay for equal work' mean that some who work harder than others will get more, there will still be this basic level on inequality.
Socialism does not elimiate all differences in wealth and inequality but it does elimate private ownership and the possibility of exploiting others.
Lenin expands that 'bourgeois law' has two elements, private property and regulator of allocating labour and product to members of society. Socialism eliminates the former but retains the latter (a defect and birthing pang according to Marx) so as to manage the transition to communism where inequality and injustice can gradually be eliminated altogether.
None of this has anything to do with a capitalist state becoming less exploitative. It is addressing the fact that after abolishing private property (and thereby achieving socialism) we won't immediately have workers having the full product of their labour. 'Bourgeois law' (sans private property) and relative inequality and injustice will still be neccessary to regulate distribution of work and product until communism can be achieved.
I reccomend carefully parsing whole chapters from State and Revolution or any other marxist work in the future to avoid confusion and drawing radically anti-marxist conclusions from misreadings of basic marxist precepts.
>>577293Ahh, the DotP(?) of Angola inviting Russian international capital in to…
help exploit its resources!
I see, now you totally don't look like a clown anymore with those added qualifiers.
But Russia isn't already headway into capitalist imperialism already, you are so right in this! This Angolan exploration both exists… and doesn't. Angola is a bourgeois republic… and also a proletarian one!
This is how Marxism works.
>>577282>>577271Diamond mining is the biggest burgeois scam anyways. That mine pollutes and destroys, moves obscene amounts of rock for what can be easily grown in a lab.
Average people can't even tell diamonds from cheap imitations like cubic circonia.
>>577342I side with the working class who are and will be exploited by both sides of this conflict, the only solution is the working class associating itself with one another and overthrowing both. Anything else is a defeat for the working class
Since this thread is about news for ukraine then maybe it should have some news regarding eastern european strikes and labour actions, but that would actually mean that you care about the labour movement
>>577351then, glory to Russia for smashing, de-nazifying
literally one of their goals, the ukrainian nazi state.
>>577339Ah there you are
I was hoping to get a chance to tell you to read Bordiga and look into the operaismo
If you find anything useful to them in these so by all means share it with the Iranian oil workers
>>577363TankL, condom for capital, betrayers of the working class, instrument of the bureaucracy to enrich themselves and continue the capitalist system the world over
TankL
>>577339You
do know that "working class" isn't a nebulous entity, but people with their own opinions, right?
>>577365>i'm sure the denial of nord stream 2 had nothing to do with the invasion>let's pretend ukrainian state didn't ramp up their violations of the minsk agreement weeks before the SMO, and let's pretend baerbock didn't greenlighted ukrainians to ramp up the violations in donbasI don't have the memory of a goldfish.
>tell me do you think that if russia wins that they won't exploit their working class?their state doesn't allow open promotion of nazism, unlike the u.s. and their banderite comprador state. tells you volumes of what sides to pick.
>>577379How many workers do you think are ok with being thrown into war for the sake of profit?
>>577382I'm not in defence of Ukraine just pointing out that the war as all war is about capital competition
>their state doesn't allow open promotion of nazism, unlike the u.s. and their banderite comprador state. tells you volumes of what sides to pick.I like how you avoided the question of if russian will exploit the working class
>>577365NTA but what is happening here is
>That anon: destroying the Nazi sympathising Ukrainian state is good for both the working class in Ukraine and the world at large<You: YOU REALLY THINK THEY'RE DOING COMMUNIST REVOLUTION!?Now be honest, do you really not see the Strawman here that you're utilising? No one is confusing Russia for the USSR and no one thinks Russia is much different from other Bourgeois capitalist states, but the difference is a crucial one, the western bourgeois states have no problem with utilising Nazism or even instigating and empowering Nazism for their own purposes, that needs to be proven not to work or they could try it again.
>>577386>out that the war as all war is about capital competitionRussia could have just invaded by 2014, then.
>I like how you avoided the question of if russian will exploit the working classI have my priorities very clear. remember to neck yourself tonight.
>>577368Lmao, peak nu-/leftypol/
LET 👏🏾 BOC (Bourgeoisie of colour) 👏🏾 DEVELOP 👏🏾 PRODUCTIVE 👏🏾 FORCES👏🏾
>>577399Another day another theorylet screaming
>But I want my cashless, stateless society NOW!at underdeveloped nations
>>577388>no one thinks Russia is much different from other Bourgeois capitalist statesMultiple people in these threads including OP don't think so
> but the difference is a crucial one, the western bourgeois states have no problem with utilising Nazism or even instigating and empowering Nazism for their own purposesSO the problem is not whether they exploit the working class but HOW they exploit the working class? Do you think it makes much different if a labour strike is broken up by russian nationalists or ukranian nazis?
>>577396>Russia could have just invaded by 2014, then.And ruin the profits of their oil stream to europe? They only invaded once the US monopolised the energy market of europe and cut them out, that is literally just two competitors fighting on the market with the working class paying the price
>I have my priorities very clearyeah and the working class isn't one of your priorities.
>>577400When capital cannot enter a market, it tries to force its way in, that is the definition of imeprialism.
>>577405>SO the problem is not whether they exploit the working class but HOW they exploit the working class?Yes, you'd have to be a retard to not understand that Nazism is the worst form of capitalist exploitation.
Are you really suggesting that anons should just be like
>Well is Ukraine going to have a communist revolution?>Is Russia going to have a communist revolution?<No? Well fuck them, I don't care if the Ukrainian working class end up Nazis, it's either my way or highway >>577405>And ruin the profits of their oil stream to europe?and yet they ruin it,
HUH?
see, you are trapped again on your own logical fallacies.
>yeah and the working class isn't one of your priorities.really?
When this comrade shouts here
>>577186>Death to AmericaI shout too
>Death to americaand when he shouts
Cry more NAFOid
I shout cry more NAFObot
because I do care. you seem not concerned about the nazism that the u.s. promoted in ukraine, nor the nazism inside ukraine, so my guess is you the one, as usual, with westernoids (it was mentioned you are an iranian gusano, but also could be the grillpill) that doesn't care at all about the working class.
>>577418Yeah, I'm sure Djibouti is ripe for full automated luxury communism, how silly of me.
Many of these nations are reduced to just selling simple commodities to the western corporations that own the mines. wells and farms. There's little industry that is possessed by the local bourgeoisie, there's little industry at all, there's nothing for the proletariat to seize.
>>577410>Yes, you'd have to be a retard to not understand that Nazism is the worst form of capitalist exploitation.And all capitalist nations resort to reactionary tactics when they're in crisis so what difference does it make to support a capitalist state that will act the same way when capital is threatened. This has already happened before in the 20th century when the popular front did nothing to stop the rise of fascism. The only solution is the working class associating and rising up
I'm suggesting that anons should focus on the working class not the bourgeoisie who exploit the working class
>>577412> you seem not concerned about the nazism that the u.s. promoted in ukraine, nor the nazism inside ukraineI am concerned about it but i take issue with so called "communists" supporting the bourgeoisie. Every country is using it as an opportunity to suppress their working class, stoke militarism, and secure the ruling class's interests, but anti-imperialism isn't about choosing the smaller empire. The task of handling the Nazi issue or the Taliban issue should be done via the working class of the region with assistance from other parts of the working class abroad, not from US invading or Russia invading.
>>577414See here No.1502691 for why that is nonsensical
>>577416The decertification of nord stream 2
>>577420> he point blank refuses to accept geopolitics is any different from organising unionsplease tell me how critical support for russia or iran or the PRC is as effective and beneficial to the working class as actual labour organising that directly fights capital itself.
>>577425Sudan, one of the least developed nations on earth has a larger urbanised populace than england did when the communist manifesto was published, the point is to empower the working class not the bourgeoisie
>>577431read the theory. there are clearly outlined parameters within which the right to self-determination and devlopment of nations is an appropriate demand for communists to make. Lenin describes these parameters in The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination, where he writes:
> First, the advanced capitalist countries of Western Europe and the United States of America. <In these countries the bourgeois, progressive, national movements came to an end long ago.> Every one of these “great” nations oppresses other nations in the colonies and within its own country. The tasks of the proletariat of these ruling nations are the same as those of the proletariat in England in the nineteenth century in relation to Ireland.>Secondly, Eastern Europe: Austria, the Balkans and particularly Russia. Here it was the twentieth century that <particularly developed the bourgeois-democratic national movements and intensified the national struggle.> The tasks of the proletariat in these countries — in regard to the <consummation of their bourgeois-democratic reformation>, as well as in regard to assisting the socialist revolution in other countries — cannot be achieved unless it champions <the right of nations to self-determination>. In this connection the most difficult but most important task is to merge the class struggle of the workers in the oppressing nations with the class struggle of the workers in the oppressed nations.>Thirdly, the semi-colonial countries, like China, Persia, Turkey, and all the colonies, which have a combined population amounting to a billion. In these countries the bourgeois-democratic movements have either hardly begun, or are far from having been completed. Socialists must not only demand the unconditional and immediate liberation of the colonies without compensation —and this demand in its political expression< signifies nothing more nor less than the recognition of the right to self-determination> — but must render determined support to the more revolutionary elements in the bourgeois-democratic movements for national liberation in these countries and assist their rebellion—and if need be, their revolutionary war—against the imperialist powers that oppress them.The support for the self-determination of nations is essentially bourgeois in content, and forms a mere prerequisite to the communist reorganisation of society. In countries which have already undergone national-bourgeois revolutions (as i every nation on earth in the modern day), such a demand is entirely superfluous. Communists fight for this demand in countries that require it in order for the class struggle to develop more fully; but they do not remain within its confines. That is to say, they use the national question as a lever with which to pose the question of class power and property, as a springboard from which to enact the communist programme that will supersede national distinctions.
As Marx writes:
>While the democratic petty bourgeois want to bring the revolution to an end as quickly as possible, achieving at most the aims already mentioned, <it is our interest and our task to make the revolution permanent until all the more or less propertied classes have been driven from their ruling positions, until the proletariat has conquered state power and until the association of the proletarians has progressed sufficiently far – not only in one country but in all the leading countries of the world> – that competition between the proletarians of these countries ceases and at least the decisive forces of production are concentrated in the hands of the workers.For communists, the support of these nations in national liberation is never a goal in itself, but merely a means for the development of class antagonism between proletariat and bourgeoisie and the seizure of political power by the proletariat. It makes no sense to employ this means today, when the overwhelming majority of nations have already undergone some form of bourgeois-national revolution.
As Lenin puts it elsewhere:
> The epoch of bourgeois-democratic revolutions in Western, continental Europe embraces a fairly definite period, approximately between 1789 and 1871. This was precisely the period of national movements and the creation of national states. When this period drew to a close, Western Europe had been transformed into a settled system of bourgeois states, which, as a general rule, were nationally uniform states. <Therefore, to seek the right to self-determination in the programmes of West-European socialists at this time of day is to betray one’s ignorance of the ABC of Marxism.>
>In Eastern Europe and Asia the period of bourgeois-democratic revolutions did not begin until 1905. The revolutions in Russia, Persia, Turkey and China, the Balkan wars—such is the chain of world events of our period in our “Orient”. And only a blind man could fail to see in this chain of events the awakening of a whole series of bourgeois-democratic national movements which strive to create nationally independent and nationally uniform states. It is precisely and solely because Russia and the neighbouring countries are passing through this period that we must have a clause in our programme on the right of nations to self-determination.The first paragraph now describes the situation in pretty much every region of the world. There exists a 'settled system of bourgeois states' across the entire world. People like you make plenty of hay out of this whole 'support for weaker nations' to justify the basest nationalism. You fail to see that this is not some transhistorical right posited by principles of eternal justice, but a tactical demand posed by the communist movement in backwards and oppressed countries - e.g. Russia of the early 1900s. Nor is it an end in itself, so that communism becomes identical with nationalism. It is merely an expedient, a tactical adjustment of the communist movement to the uneven levels of development found in different countries.
Today, even the 'colonies' have largely undergone bourgeois-national revolutions, possessing (at least nominally) political independence while remaining in the de facto grip of the most economically powerful countries. This is an unavoidable reality of life under capitalism: some nations rise to the top, and others are trodden underfoot. The only way out of this ruthless competition is the revolution of the proletariat - a revolution that, thanks to the international character of the proletariat, must be international itself.
>>577448>but it gives them access to more capitalLMAO, surely with the sanctions they received more capital, from the west.
>>577443see what? none of that diminishes the point I argued.
>>577453Both as both give it more capital at the expense of their competitors and vice verse
>>577456It was either wage war or stay neutral and slowly lose out as their biggest money maker (their oil connection) was cut off
And it does diminish your point since you don't know why those bourgeoisie revolutions were supported and why it makes no sense to do so now
>>577462Secondary to the wants of capital, they play a factor but profit is the cause and purpose of all war
>>577460>The wealthy found in those nations are not the bourgeoisieLmao
>>577291>Russia's invasion into Ukraine past the borders of the DPR and LPR has only emboldended NATOTe way I read the Ukraine crisis is that the US was well aware of the conflict taking over Ukraine would create and it just has come the time to provoke the final stages of it, the invasion, in order to partition the European economies for themselves in this overt declaration of cold war. Both sides had been preparing for the eventual partition and economic warfare.
>If we wanted NATO to go, there would be more of an international conflict as opposed to that of a war between two nations. <inb4 china is aiding russia>China is aiding russia economically, but hardly in a military sense. China is the main reason why this is happening, their economic power, capitalist or not, is a competition that the USA cannot tolerate. Russia India and China happen to be in the same camp not because they are an allied front against imperialism on ideological bases (especially turboneoliberal BJP India lol) but because the US/NATO ambitions of reasserting US hegemony is an existential threat. the goal is reversing history to the 90s and that requires nothing short of collapsing the whole economic sphere of BRICS. They have favourable trade as happens with others leaning towards BRICS, but the main appeal IMO is that the winning conditions for the US is military backed protectionism and neocolonialism, while BRICS wins by continuing with liberalized trade.
It may be that domestic bourgeoisie subverting western imperialism for more favorable trade conditions ( or to avoid war) is selling the rope they'll hang from, or it may not. I agree the left needs to pick up the role of anti imperialism, but, well…I feel like some part of the "western" left is resentful that it played no role in the development of this crisis and as a result they want to declare it heretical, throw the baby out with the bathwater to claim protagonism at risk of playing into NATO's hand.
>Fair, but unlike the last cold war this isn't one of capitalism vs communism, but rather some belief of "democracy vs authoritarianism" I mean, yeah if anything such flimsy framing make's it harder to do propaganda for protectionism against the "authoritarian" "not real capitalism". In the previous cold war thre was a credible argument that there would be a drastic change on the table if the enemy were to win. That the socialists had a genuinely different worldview which was alien to most people. But now it's the west who is breaking with decades liberalism and globalization, they are the change, and it cannot be made the argument that these breaks with decades of policy and propaganda benefit anybody but the absolute richest. This is IMO why it's not incidental to Ukraine that NATO is trying to resume from the last cold war propaganda. I think they have nothing else that would resonate with decades of "harm reduction/human rights/democracy" and other excuses for imperialism that turning history around and claiming a continuity from the last cold war narratives about the mythical evil commies, now pouncing from the shadows of history.
>Secondly, the west also has the chance of embracing social-democratic policies as a means to maintain its economies. The Russian federation for instance started doing this- who's to say the West couldn't do this as well? They could, but again wild guess, if they are forcing the cold war partition it's because economic warfare doesn't cut it anymore. And once that's the case every use of hard coercion becomes an argument to go to the side that offers favorable trade rather than worse deals at gunpoint. And all of this needs funding. The more war is needed to keep imperialism in check, the less profitable and the more rebellious "provinces" feel the need to get out of reach. More exploitation is needed to make up for increased costs. Previously, the takeover of the old colonies made up for that, but now it seems the reverse is happening.
Last cold war the national bourgeoisie had an easy choice, but this time I think , not so much. Liberalism is doing them great. BRICS doesn't seem like they could win a situation in which trade needs to be warranted by military force against NATO, so at least in the case of China it seems to me they just plan to make themselves indispensable to global trade as a safeguard against isolation, make allies of the foreign bourgeoisie and let the US empire fail to break even as they escalate militarily.
Ideally socialists would take the chance and become the anti-imperialists with the economic backing of China like the USSR kept AES afloat. But if they don't then I think China is perfectly content to chug along while the rest of the world becomes another neoliberal hellscape tbh. But before that there is probably so many decades of dramatic world events that could change everything.
>>577458>you don't know why those bourgeoisie revolutionsdo you?
or did you simply copy and pasted without giving a second thought?
you mix up here
>>577438 demands for more socialism vs what Lenin wrote here
>Does that mean, then, that the materialist West has hopelessly decayed and that light shines only from the mystic, religious East? No, quite the opposite. It means that the East has definitely taken the Western path, that new hundreds of millions of people will from now on share in the struggle for the ideals which the West has already worked out for itself. What has decayed is the Western bourgeoisie, which is already confronted by its grave-digger, the proletariat. But in Asia there is still a bourgeoisie capable of championing sincere, militant, consistent democracy, a worthy comrade of France’s great men of the Enlightenment and great leaders of the close of the eighteenth century.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1912/jul/15.htmwhich is the simple election between two different stages of capitalist states: The one less reactionary before the more reactionary one.
You are a pseudoleftist. gtfo to the poop hole you came from.
>It was either wage wa or stay neutral and slowly lose out as their biggest money maker (their oil connection) was cut offit was asked how invading ukraine gave Russia access to Germany, you deflect into
>gives them access to more capitalthen deflects my comment on
sanctions will give them more capital, saying that nonsense. that's a nonsequitur, you didn't answer how it gave more access to germany markets, nor how it gained more capital, thus making your whole argument about imperialism a flawed one.
>>577464>>577470Lmao all you want, you can even kek for all I care, bourgeoisie is not equivalent to just rich people for the simple fact there were rich people under feudalism that weren't the bourgeoise.
In the same way the feudal lord was made rich governing the land the monarch entrusted them with, the governments and wealthy of many global south nations get direct payment for protecting the interests of the international bourgeoise from the local population and exploiting the workers on behalf of international corporations. To frame this as a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie is a half-truth, it's a dictatorship of the international bourgeoisie in such semi-colonial nations.
>>577429>y critical supportAllow me
Russia
Because the more Russia scares the imperialist core the less likely the imperialist core is to start a third global conflagration and less war is an unalloyed good for the working man and woman
China
Easy even if one is an ultra and refuses to acknowledge China's current socialism one can at least wager that the CPC will hit the communism button before becoming a hegemonic imperialist if for no other reason than that communism is a more stable system than hegemonic imperialism
Iran
That's a tough one ummm fundamentally to the extent I do it"s because the realistic alternative to the current regime is what the burgers did to Libya and this won't change until the greater satan' s back is broken
>>577492Thing is, Russia's war is just or unjust depending on what perspective you see it from, it's pretty unjust if one limit's their perspective to just Ukraine Vs Russia, but when you expand that to NATO Vs Russia then actually the Nord Stream pipeline symbolises why this war was just. NATO definitely has imperialistic intent, blowing up Nord Stream is just one of many examples of Washington and London trying to stifle the Russian economy to somehow 'prove' that Russia cannot expect fair trading conditions for while they remain independent and not subservient to American and London interests.
The heart bleeds for other nations subjected to this because they generally don't have militaries or nuclear weapons to resist this, but all of a sudden when a nation has the military to fight back and does so, then the hearts do not bleed, then it's both sides are bad. No doubt Russia will enjoy the Soviet built industry in Eastern Ukraine, but similar to the Soviet annexation of the Baltic States, other more aggressive nations are making moves in this direction and to refuse to play the game and lower yourself to that level based on "morality" then worse will come out of it. Hitler wasn't going to be better for the Baltic States, Kissinger was a monster throughout the cold war and I think Nuland needs to be hung, drawn and quartered
>>577492We do in at least a small way
Years ago I used to write commentary on the margins of a newspaper then leave it on a train and the way those talking points made their way around was impressive and far more than I could have imagined when I started doing it
/leftypol/ is definitely ''far'" more influential than my special edition free newspapers and those newspapers definitely had an impressive impact
Hearing one of my talking points from a stranger a week later things like that
>>577494>all of a sudden when a nation has the military to fight back and does so, then the hearts do not bleed, then it's both sides are badChristianity and its consequences have been a disaster for humanity and left-wing thought. Martyr and loser worship should cease. Permanently.
Grillpill openly admitted that while he condemned Ukronazis terrorizing Donbas, he also condemned Russian invasion to stop it.
<Uneven economic and political development is an absolute law of capitalism. Hence, the victory of socialism is possible first in several or even in one capitalist country alone. After expropriating the capitalists and organising their own socialist production, the victorious proletariat of that country will arise against the rest of the world—the capitalist world—attracting to its cause the oppressed classes of other countries, stirring uprisings in those countries against the capitalists, and in case of need using even armed force against the exploiting classes and their states. The political form of a society wherein the proletariat is victorious in overthrowing the bourgeoisie will be a democratic republic, which will more and more concentrate the forces of the proletariat of a given nation or nations, in the struggle against states that have not yet gone over to socialism. The abolition of classes is impossible without a dictatorship of the oppressed class, of the proletariat. A free union of nations in socialism is impossible without a more or less prolonged and stubborn struggle of the socialist republics against the backward states.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1915/aug/23.htm
<The revolutionary character of a national movement under the conditions of imperialist oppression does not necessarily presuppose the existence of proletarian elements in the movement, the existence of a revolutionary or a republican programme of the movement, the existence of a democratic basis of the movement. The struggle that the Emir of Afghanistan is waging for the independence of Afghanistan is objectively a revolutionary struggle, despite the monarchist views of the Emir and his associates, for it weakens, disintegrates and undermines imperialism; whereas the struggle waged by such "desperate" democrats and "Socialists," "revolutionaries" and republicans as, for example, Kerensky and Tsereteli, Renaudel and Scheidemann, Chernov and Dan, Henderson and Clynes, during the imperialist war was a reactionary struggle, for its results was the embellishment, the strengthening, the victory, of imperialism. For the same reasons, the struggle that the Egyptians merchants and bourgeois intellectuals are waging for the independence of Egypt is objectively a revolutionary struggle, despite the bourgeois origin and bourgeois title of the leaders of Egyptian national movement, despite the fact that they are opposed to socialism; whereas the struggle that the British "Labour" Government is waging to preserve Egypt's dependent position is for the same reason a reactionary struggle, despite the proletarian origin and the proletarian title of the members of the government, despite the fact that they are "for" socialism. There is no need to mention the national movement in other, larger, colonial and dependent countries, such as India and China, every step of which along the road to liberation, even if it runs counter to the demands of formal democracy, is a steam-hammer blow at imperialism, i.e., is undoubtedly a revolutionary step.https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1924/foundations-leninism/ch06.htmthe reason MLs "support" these countries is because we take a viewpoint on the general balance sheet against imperialism.
Ie. an analysis of their historic movement and their effect of global imperialism.
And not from a static snapshot of some "formal point of progress" which you and libs generally do
>>577502This has all been explained to the anon before, but like most Third Worldists, his expectation for Communists is to only care about union efforts and militias directly fighting their local government in the global south, he starts accusing us of being unpure when we consider the geopolitical ramifications that come from any revolution and discuss opinions on how to protect revolution on the geopolitical stage, like not trying to rush and short-circuit historically necessary sociopolitical development.
Anon wants it to be literally just you shoot third world porky (or reform their exploitation solely though unionisation efforts) and redistribute their bank accounts and Communism has been achieved people, live happily ever after
>But what if the international bourgeoisie come back for their property<I SAID THEY LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER STOP SUPPORTING THE BOURGEOISIE >>577553>Ukraine stops offesyiv to re-evaluate tacticsBrave and stunning
>Russia stops offensives and re-evaluates tacticsWeak and laughable
>>577595Ten counteroffensyivs went out onto mines; one got blown up and then there were nine.
Nine counteroffensyivs arrived very late; one got Kalibrated and then there were eight.
Eight counteroffensyivs had swastikas on chevrons; they joined Bandera and then there were seven.
Seven counteroffensyivs of mobilized hicks; they ran into the Wagners and then there were six.
Six counteroffensyivs took Leopards for a drive; the Lancets came flying and then there were five…
>>577616The Ultra Battalion has launched a counteroffensyiv using the latest in NAFO-supplied technology such as "muh Chechnya" and "China isn't socialist", successfully capturing two threads. However, they took heavy losses to the banhammer and had to
retreat pause to reconsider tactics
>>577616Counterarguments? It's just endlessly repeating "both sides are bad. Don't you know both sides are bad"
Confirmed to be caused by brain problems
>>577655Because Russians are not genetically multipolar, nor do I think the left needs to fellate Dugin or Coach Red Pill to make Ukraine and NATO look bad. Ziggas have consistently run into a wall of bad argumentation and their only saving grace is that NAFOids are more retarded which is what they then plaster all over themselves like a badge of honor.
Ziggas are so fucking stupid that they think criticism of themselves means you just spit upon the Russian troops in the trenches and even the soldiers who were at Stalingrad. Each zigga believes themselves to be the reincarnation of Lenin. It is really fucking annoying. I am not necessarily criticizing Russia or even the USSR, I am talking shit on your teenage bird brains that mistakes materialism for your own badly researched talking points.
>>577672 (me)
But I take it back, we can talk shit after the counteroffensyiv. Some of you ziggas are alright, and won't have to be liquidated.
>>577616>TLDR on the latest waves throwing themselves into the meatgrinder of this thread plz. Anyone make any good arguments? the thread is comprehensively shitted upNot really. It's as you can expect. There are two options to oppose multipolarity. You can push to use this war to create an equivalency between east and west given enough global development, which is being rejected. Our position sits between this ultra shit and the liberal-imperialist one which argues developed nations are progressive.
Almost always the argument will be some derivative of the idea global capitalism has advanced enough to create equivalency between east and west.
Does anyone have that story of the stupid Polack filth who got gifted a rocket launcher by ukes then blowed himself up in the filth station last year? I don't speak Polack and refuse to translate into it.
Thanks.
>>577669>>577651>Comfy<A literal warThey really are psychos with no theory of the word outside of an abstract false-reality made to entertain them through a screen, aren't they?
>>577705Yea. because some random twitter bot farm and gore videos are super interesting and meaningful to hyper-fixate on, right?!?!
Idiots. lmao.
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>>577694 (me)
It's said quickly but this fraud, what they got caught doing, was at the time of 2016 almost 6% of the country's GDP according to the World Bank(in 2015 $). That'd be as if in Germany they discovered a $200bn hole going into the pockets of some well connected individuals, for scale.
According to Wikipedia, this fraud cost roughly 1/5 of the entire Ukrainian budget for 2015,for scale.
>>577191These threads are just 3-4 epic
power users calling every other poster a glowie. I wouldn't think about it too hard
>>577805>implying PRC poster is a chinese glowieA glowie from an actually existing socialist state on our humble Capybara appreciation forum?! oh wonderful happy days are here
Oh my god I haven't mopped the floors or cleaned the dishes
Whatever will they think?
>>577516>>577522>>577818ay, kek. good.
and yes, that's the real reason, he can't disguise ukrainian loses as Russia's so easily anymore.
>>577739>>577740sus again they disappeared, and the IA-generated video they posted, was weirder.
>>577808Isn't Iranian?
>1503832 >>577830Yeah, I posted this agent z
advisor treating Africans with contempt, almost rolling the n-word on them.
>>577844Really activates their
almonds atoms
>>577845>7/16/16 >>577877Our father
who art Bandera
Glory to Ukraine
>>577830E-e-educate t-t-these p-proles.
t. Sabocat
>>577959>by David FrumI remember googling that name, he's the
extremely proud speechwriter for Bush Jr who claims authorship of the "Axis of Evil" bit.
This came out right after one of two things, either the formal order to make Lithium a nationalized industry or the announcement of big reforms coming to the very lax regulation around the mining industry.Either way a Porky reaction.
THE FAILING COUNTEROFFENSIVE AND THE PEACE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN
With each passing day, it’s becoming clear that the Ukrainian counteroffensive is failing to achieve any of its originally stated objectives. Recall: the Biden administration’s bet was that the counteroffensive would roll back Russian territorial gains, cut the land bridge to Crimea, and force Russia to the negotiating table. That is almost certainly not going to happen. On the contrary, a stalemate is more likely, or even that Russia will take more territory and win the war, as Mearsheimer has predicted.
What are Biden’s options now? Either escalate or admit defeat. In preparation for NATO’s Vilnius Summit, Blinken has been floating a proposal to give “Israel status” to Ukraine. This means multi-year security guarantees including weapons, ammunition and money that would continue even if Biden loses the next election.
This is not what the American people signed up for. Many Americans supported the $100+ billion in appropriations for Ukraine believing it was a one-time deal to reverse Russian territorial gains. If they had been told that it was the basis for an annual appropriation in a new Forever War, they would have preferred an alternative, especially if they had known that one was available.
THE PEACE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN
New evidence is emerging that a peace deal was achievable at the beginning of the war. At a recent meeting with the African delegation, Putin showed the draft of an outline or preliminary agreement signed by the Ukrainian delegation at Istanbul in April 2022. It provided that Russia would pull back to pre-war lines if Ukraine would agree not to join NATO (but Ukraine could receive security guarantees from the West).
This document has not been publicly released yet, but no one seriously contests that it exists. The only dispute is over what happened subsequently; Ukraine (via reporting in Reuters) contends the deal fell apart. However, the availability of a deal based on Ukrainian Neutrality is consistent with previous comments from Naftali Bennett, who said a deal was attainable but rejected by the West.
Why would the West do this? Ukrainska Pravda (UP), a pro-Ukraine publication, reported in May 2022:
“As soon as the Ukrainian negotiators and Abramovich/Medinsky [the Russian negotiators], following the outcome of Istanbul, had agreed on the structure of a future possible agreement in general terms, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson appeared in Kyiv almost without warning. "Johnson brought two simple messages to Kyiv. The first is that Putin is a war criminal; he should be pressured, not negotiated with. And the second is that even if Ukraine is ready to sign some agreements on guarantees with Putin, they are not. We can sign (an agreement) with you (Ukraine), but not with him. Anyway, he will screw everyone over", is how one of Zelenskyy's close associates summed up the essence of Johnson's visit.”
https://pravda.com.ua/eng/articles/2022/05/5/7344096/Johnson (who must have been speaking not just for himself but for the Western alliance) wanted to pressure Putin, not make peace, and promised new weapons systems if Ukraine would keep fighting.
At the time of UP’s article, Ukraine appeared to be doing well, so UP portrayed Zelensky’s decision to accept Johnson’s offer as a smart gamble. Now, in hindsight, it looks like a disaster.
AFGHANISTAN REDUX?
I know some of you may find it hard to believe that the realities on the ground are so at odds with the mainstream media's coverage. But it’s worth recalling that the American public was assured for two decades that we were winning in Afghanistan. All of that reporting was revealed as a pack of lies when the Afghan army that we were supposedly “standing up” collapsed within a matter of weeks. At that point, the media stopped reporting on Afghanistan, just like it had stopped reporting on Iraq, instead of holding anyone accountable.
Unfortunately, it looks like we're headed for a similar kind of outcome in Ukraine. The only question is when, and how long Biden will be able to perpetuate a proxy war of choice that could have easily been avoided.
https://twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/1670923154443882496>>578045it's funny how they act now the west is not a trustworthy ally, one year later, and hundreds of thousands of their men are in a grave.
and the west is bickering, the cracks getting larger
>>578039look at this blogger having some second throughts about the counter-oink (vidrel) same blogger from here
>>578030 (me)
>>578124kek
>>578127and that's why they want to jail trump
the fucker was no filter, so they can't play the goodies while stabbing China, stabbing Russia, stabbing Iran, stabbing Venezuela, stabbing Cuba, stabbing N.K., and so on.
New NAFO cope just dropped
https://nitter.net/TrentTelenko/status/1670971803987058688#m>the PSU storm Shadow Strike hit a RuAF theater level ammo storage depot>we are talking about a week to 10 days for the Russians in the South to run out of artillery ammoOh, scratch that, we're just recycling the same cope from months ago. But this time it will be different
>RuAF troops that would have survived to fill 3rd line defenses won't, simply because the artillery ammo reserve in the Rykove (Partyzany) depot no longer exists.>All of this is to plan, the plan of Ukraine's General Staff.>The so-called Sorvorkin line is - straight up - a Potemkin Village defensive designed to convince Russian propaganda media audiences, clueless Western journalists, politicians, and other susceptible suckers.>>578127yeah CPC knows how the anglos operate, that pretty much everything they say is a deception
>>578112Dangerously close to saying the quiet part out loud there – just wtf is NATO if it needs to "guard against" its own members
>>578149A prison for Europeans.
NATO has always done everything it could to stifle anti-US movements and sentiments, allowing for a greater integration of the continent into its imperialist system. Europe does reap benefits, but only because it doesn't pose a threat to America.
>>578194What led you to this conclusion?
That video is Ukrainian SOF in complete gear and NATO .556 blasting absolutely underequipped Russians of which only one had an AK 74 with iron sights.
>>578241>underequipped Russians In almost perfectly excavated trench walls, do you have any idea of the logistics those require? Those are not short-term combat emplacements, they're heavy duty, and you're not However their construction makes no sense. It looks like a fucking ant-hive, completely unlike actual Russian trench doctrine, which tends to go for a ladder trench patter or in isolated cases, a line with foxholes and fighting positions. This looks like neither
>AK74 with iron sightsLMAO the AK-74M was army standard by the 1990s, let alone some AKM mock up. This reeks of fakery.
>>578286Old Nazi tactic from WW2 included paratrOOOPING over enemy positions so that tanks can roll over easier. Go google up German paratroopers equipment, by the way, they couldn't even hold guns in their hands when descending and had their equipment dropped separately to them - all because fat overlord of Nazi airforces had been bribed by the Swedes for military contracts.
ANYWAY, the tactic is essentially the same as when you ford a river - you want forward operation units to secure a bridgehead.
>>578282My intention was to show that people from opposing sides both attack trenches and soldiers often get confused, panic, and die. There's hundreds, if not thousands, of clips at this point of similar things happening. I was hoping that
>>578233>>578224>>578214would understand, but it seems to have flown over their head.
>guyz can someone provide an analysis on why people die in a war??? >>578021Also Zelenskyy issued a presidential decree later in September 2022, after Russia made the annexation official, that makes peace negotiations impossible. IDK if he got told Putin would be deposed or whatever, but now he has it in writing that he is personally responsible for any lack of of negotiated settlement, and implicitly for the consequences. It's the official posture now and he is the one to sign on it.
So it's gonna be awkward when this has to be retracted or superseded or the post-war accounting begins:
https://www.president.gov.ua/documents/6792022-44249 >>578351just listenedto the same and thought the same. i think hes a staunch pro-UKR dude, but he did put out the facts before his opinion.
Imho, he was still very dire about Ukraines situation, just more public about who he prefers as well.
>>578366yeah also presenting the retreat from Karhoiv like a gigantic fight where - and so on and so on
pretty weak from Ben Aris. Hes still incredible on the economic side but not on the strategical one. We will see tho - if there is another counteroffice, a real 100s vs 100 tanks fight I give him some slack.
I do always find it interesting when Dolan gives a hint to something regarding Ukraine. Cause I think hes much more 'based' there. I like Ames as a person and a podcaster but man has this man drank the koolaid.
>>578370no but I assume its even worse?
>>578394we dont have any resources so that one is a bummer. DDR did make everythoing of coal when USSr basically gave us market prices - like NK does these days.
That little uranium Saxony has does not make anybody fat.
>>578432>The Nazis used Hugo Boss uniformsHow do people still fall for this made-up nonsense?
>stop idolizing war and start seeing it as what it truly is; cynical bourgeois powerplaysWhat if worker and peasant armies wage war?
>>578449rest n peace
poor her. Pretty damn unlucky
>>578466bigger versions of those pictures
this is either a doll or a vegetable
>>578597inflated lips are also gross
don't cancel me
>>578674How long has it been since Westerners praised Javelin or HIMARS? Did Leopards appear recently? Have Patriot memes even started?
But Russian Artillery remains.
>>578601that looked so weird. like IA generated. is that from the video saying at the end "trust the plan" (or something similar)? where he blinks so forced?
I haven't seen the video, just read the comments about the weirdness.
>>578737we may need to start making excuses for the
lack of terror
>>578773Western miltech is made primarily to police and reduce attrition damage, and few considerations are made for when the enemy actually shoots back, Soviet miltech is for being used, being abused, and being lost. Offensive tech also seems to be developing faster than defensive.
Managing to drag the West into a conventional war means they are about to eat shit hard.
>>578839>But ironically it is a bit similar to the Kiev fiasco in 1941what fiasco? Nazis kept attacking the least defended targets over and over, pushing the frontline, but losing millions in the process. As a result of 1941's "fiascos" Nazis have lost 4 million men dead and injured to Soviets' 1 million.
Hell, just yesterday I was reading memoirs of a guy who went through getting encircled in early days of the war, and he straight up says that encircled divisions used up all their ammunition and the waltzed through the Nazi encirclement lines back to the Soviet side. Not without losses, no, but with killrates like one t34 for 10-20 enemy tanks, with Soviet encircled divisions taking back cities and taking POWs while at it
>>578526>>578539>>578568>>578572>>578584>>578597>>578609>>578613>>578617>>578621>>578643>>578649>>578668congrats anons u made it into the hall of shame
now pls dont derail and get horny in this thread again ok? <3
>>578888???
Literally signed in photoshop with that general's logo. They better fucking behave themselves while here.
>>578903>Literally signed in photoshop with that general's logo1) It's just a fucking image
2) So what? /chug/ hasn't been raiding here or anything like that, and some shitpost memes and banter isn't rule breaking
Banning that anon for this is retarded as fuck, especially since characters they post like Buhanka are literally Russian gijinka that the RUSSIANS make (buhanochka z on telegram is a Russian poster and 2ch is Russian territory). Are people really surprised that people are crossposting across sites?
>>578937>Can't not hide his pedophilia or defend his gay anons for even one minute.What a dunce. My god.
It is so laughable to me that these people used to claim to 'hide their power level'.
>>579008>Can't notLMAO imagine seething in rage so hard you use a double negative
>pedophilia<oh noes someone makes a silly cartoon about a soviet car, better concern troll about pedos! >defend his gay friendsThere's a lot of assumptions in this one section of one sentence. They're not my friends, I'm not defending them and shitting yourself about tits is gay
>these people used to claim to 'hide their power level'. Who are you even talking about? For someone bitching about 4chan this much you sure like to use and resemble a lot of reddit and 4chan terminology. Go back, you salty /k/eyboard warrior.
>>578949>ProjectionTake meds
>>578960 Shut the fuck up tank-anon, nobody likes a mod-wannabe attempting to gatekeep.
>Muh pass Read the rules, even if everyone is your /chug/ boogieman (even though 2ch-fags also post here among others) this is not rule breaking, nor is posting anime grills or bantering about a photo
https://leftypol.org/rules.html >a beachheadWhy are you keyboard warriors so delusional? /chug/ existed before this series of threads and has crossposted here since the war's start, suddenly seething about it sounds like the bothside's fags bitching about "muh ziggers".
>>578969>spamming their goon neckbeard wholesome tranime chungus What the fuck are you even talking about, just spitting out random vaguely denigrating buzzwords doesn't stop making your shit any less of an ad-hom rant.
>we're going to end up like all the other rightoid-infested gooner colonies Imagine concern trolling this hard, with a porky flag no less.
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