No.583596[Last 50 Posts]
Today big news came from Niger. The military announced it had seized power and arrested the ProFrench President Mohamed Bazoum. The Constitution has been suspended and power transferred to a military junta. This was caused by increased unrest in the country, caused by the failure of the government to fight the ISIS insurgency and the endemic poverty that has gripped the country since independence from France.
Many nigeriens rightfully resent French neocolonialism over the country, especially since 2022 when huge amounts of French soldiers established bases in the country after they were kicked out of neighbouring Mali by a proRussia military junta.
After the coup was announced today, hundreds of procoup civilians came out in the center of the capital, waving flags of Russia and Wagner PMC and chanting antiFrench slogans. This seems to be signaling that Niger might be joining their neighbours Mali and Burkina Faso, who broke free of French control and established alliances with Russia after their French puppet governments were overthrown by military juntas.
Indeed, Mali recently removed French as an official language, demoting it to a "working language", while promoting only local languages to the official status. Like in Mali and Burkina Faso, this coup in Niger was followed by harsh western condemnation, and if the junta doesnt cave in to western demands, sanctions might soon follow like in Mali and Burkina Faso.
This is especially a problem for France, since Niger supplies up to 35% of its uranium. If Niger takes control of its natural resources like uranium, this could spell big trouble for French nuclear energy.
No.583597
Have any of the recent military juntas made headway on clearing out their Islamist insurgencies? I want to believe there's hope for the Sahel
No.583598
Old news actually. Stuff like this has been occurring since last year and unsurprisingly France as a country has had its dwindling supply of stolen money dwindle more
No.583599
>7th coup in west africa since 2020
wtf anons
No.583600
>>583599France isn’t like Britain anon. Britain pulled out of its colonies and went out of its way to avoid politics in them, that’s why they didn’t end up being the prime targets for violence unlike the USA. France didn’t do this, they spent their entire time in Africa trying to solidify control, pissing off the indigenous population there in the process and leaving the region in political instability.
No.583603
>>583600Nigeria was a Brit colony, btw.
No.583604
>>583603The coup wasn't in Nigeria
No.583605
>>583603This is Niger. Not Nigeria.
No.583608
Are they gonna kick out US soldiers? No? Then its meaningless.
No.583609
>>583608I count 6 US bases in Niger. Plus possible blacksites that they don't talk about.
https://theintercept.com/2020/02/27/africa-us-military-bases-africom/ No.583610
>>583606I think thats mostly because the west has been putting pressure on african leaders to not go to the summit under threat that they will cut off IMF loans. Rwanda and the DRC still sent delegations I belive.
No.583611
>>583610I know the phrase “the west is evil” is old now but man at times it feels like the organizations running NATO collectively hate the concept of civilizations progress occurring anywhere on earth and will do anything to prevent happiness
No.583612
based
>If Niger takes control of its natural resources like uranium, this could spell big trouble for French nuclear energy.
Are they going to follow Germany's example? kek
No.583613
>>583596Why won’t Milley do this?
No.583615
>>583614no, France has enough to fund the retirement
he's just doing it for profits
No.583616
<ECOWAS Gives Niger Military Week to Cede Power, Threatens Force, Sanctionshttps://en.sputniknews.africa/20230730/ecowas-gives-niger-junta-week-to-cede-power-threatens-force-sanctions-1060931041.html>West African leaders on Sunday gave the military in Niger one week to cede power, warning they did not rule out the "use of force", and imposed immediate financial sanctions.>The 15-nation Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) demanded the "immediate release and reinstatement" of elected President Mohamed Bazoum, who has been held by the military since Wednesday.
<"In the event the authorities' demands are not met within one week (ECOWAS will) take all measures necessary to restore constitutional order in the Republic of Niger. Such measures may include the use of force. For this effect, the chiefs of defence staff of ECOWAS are to meet immediately," the bloc said in a statement after its summit in Abuja, Nigeria, on Sunday.
>The bloc also slapped financial sanctions on the military leaders and on the country, freezing "all commercial and financial transactions" between member states and Niger, one of the world's poorest nations, often ranking last on the UN's Human Development Index.<"To introduce a travel ban and freeze the assets of military officials involved in the coup attempt. The same applies to their family members and civilians who agree to participate in any institutions … created by these military officials," Omar Alieu Touray, the president of the ECOWAS Commission, said.
>ECOWAS also declared that it closed borders with Niger.>Earlier, the commander of the Niger Presidential Guard, General Omar Tchiani, who is the self-proclaimed leader of the country, warned the ECOWAS and its allies against military intervention in Niger.<"We warn ECOWAS and its allies against any military intervention in the city of Niamey, so we will be obliged to defend ourselves to the last of our strength," Tchiani said on social media.>On 26 July, the country's military, during a speech on national TV, stated that President Mohamed Bazoum had been deposed, the borders were closed, and a curfew had been declared.>Prior to that, the military of the Presidential Guard blocked the presidential palace in the Niger's capital Niamey.>Niger is the fourth of 15 ECOWAS countries whose membership has been suspended due to a recent military coup. Earlier, this happened to Guinea, Burkina Faso and Mali.——-
<Final communique – Fifty First Extraordinary Summit of the ECOWAS Authority of Heads of State and Government on the political situation in Nigerhttps://ecowas.int/final-communique-fifty-first-extraordinary-summit-of-the-ecowas-authority-of-heads-of-state-and-government-on-the-political-situation-in-niger/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Community_of_West_African_States>Mali was suspended from ECOWAS on 30 May 2021, following its second military coup within nine months.[14] Guinea was also suspended on 8 September 2021, shortly after a military coup took place in the country.[15][16] Sanctions were placed on both countries on 16 September.[17] On 10 January 2022, Mali announced its decision to close its borders and recalled several ambassadors with ECOWAS in response to sanctions imposed for deferring elections for four years.[18] On 28 January 2022, Burkina Faso was suspended from ECOWAS following a military coup.[19] No.583618
>>583614The mosquitos of the first world can screech all they want but their bloodlust for imperialized blood is undeniable.
All they have is to wait for another 2008, for good or for bad
No.583619
>>583602Don't forget br*Irish intervention in the quelling of Oman's revolution
Video just because
No.583620
>>583618Yeah m8 I'm sure French garbage men are always thinking about how to get rich from African minerals. They definitely aren't driven to riot by the exact same forces that are causing these coups or anything.
No.583621
>>583620They are not in a state of class struggle but class comma, and nothing can be expected from them but servilism since their states and the bourgeoisie from whom they are paid as public employees manage the spoils and riches of the imperialized ones.
All the rioting in the world can't and won't bring you an centimeter closer back to the welfare state paid by the jungle
No.583622
>>583621>They are not in a state of class struggle but class commaSo rioting over pensions being reduced and police murdering people isn't class struggle?
>their states and the bourgeoisie from whom they are paid as public employees manage the spoils and riches of the imperialized onesYeah and also the spoils and riches extracted from themselves. Unless you unironically believe that porkies are losing money on French workers, then any concessions they receive are just another portion of the surplus that they themselves have produced.
>All the rioting in the world can't and won't bring you an centimeter closer back to the welfare state paid by the jungleIf the welfare state is paid by the jungle then why did it reach its peak in the 70s, exactly at the same time as the socialist bloc and anti-imperialist movement? Why did its dismantling coincide with the decline of socialism and the zenith of imperialist domination in the 90s? Imperialism doesn't sustain social democracy in the sense that first world proles are literally subsisting on the surplus of the periphery. It's simply that superexploitation supplements the profits the bourgeoisie are forced to concede back to the workers of the core. Remove the parasitic bourgeoisie from the equation and universal prosperity becomes possible.
Reminder that third worldism is exclusively a first world movement. No.583623
>>583596>After the coup was announced today, hundreds of procoup civilians came out in the center of the capital, waving flags of Russia and Wagner PMC and chanting antiFrench slogans.Why are they not waving their own flags?
In reality this coup, like the hundreds of coups in Africa before, will not change much. It's just the head of a different tribe ousting the head of another tribe so the taxes and bribes go to them instead. They picked Russia as a backer instead of France, which is probably a good choice since Russia seems to have a better understanding of modern Africa than France.
The market for uranium is very diversified, uranium can be stockpiled for years (France has 3 to 5 years in stock). The most likely scenario is that, while Russia will continue to provide security and take a cut, France will continue to exploit the uranium mines there, perhaps giving a greater share to the government, which will share it with other members of their tribe while the rest of the population lives in the exact same conditions as before.
No.583624
>>583622>PEOPLE RIOTED!Rioting that amounted to nothing, the laws passed and the status quo lived on.
>The surplus they get is from them and not all of the imperialized worldTheir supply chains are so entangled and deep in the imperialist extraction of the third world from the value of their currency to the food they eat that as you see not even the worst loss of the meager quality of life can move them, and we're they are moved, only in the direction of reactionarism.
>The 70s were the pinnacle of the welfare state while the antiimperialist struggle The welfare state died in the hands of bourgeois greed, by the hammer of outsourcing and the anvil of Chinese capitalist opening. And the class slumber of the first world continues to this day.
Nothing can be expected from them until the foundations of the system eats itself.
Not your companion-firstworlder. For your information
No.583626
>>583623>In reality this coup, like the hundreds of coups in Africa before, will not change much.Well ECOWAS is already threatening military intervention in a week, should the previous government not be restored, has closed their borders and declared a no-fly-zone over Niger. So it seems more serious than new management.
>>583616 No.583627
>>583624>Rioting that amounted to nothingThe fact that it failed doesn't mean it wasn't class struggle. Plenty of armed insurgencies and revolutions in the third world failed as well. Does this mean that these weren't examples of class struggle? These things have always been a process.
>not even the worst loss of the meager quality of life can move themIt hasnt moved third world proles either. When was the last time workers and peasants in a third world country took over the state? All that's happened is that their local rulers have sensed an opportunity to break free of neocolonialism. Based to be sure, but the third world workers being led along by their national bourgeoisie doesnt exactly speak to their ability to act independently. Any group of people can act in a progressive capacity when they are led there by their own ruling class. I see nothing to lead me to believe that they are less passive in this regard than firsties. The heyday of actual seizures of power by the workers and peasants of the third world are long over.
>Nothing can be expected from them until the foundations of the system eats itself. The foundations of the system are eating itself, and the riots and unrest are a manifestation of this. Instead of seeing the opportunity here, all you do is whine about how it doesn't count because it didn't instantly overthrow capitalism. It's strange that the same people who constantly complain about how first world proles never do anything to confront the bourgeoisie also complain the most when they do. The people who complain about the labour aristocracy also complain when it's decline manifests as a riot. You people clearly don't actually believe in anything, because if you didn't you wouldn't find a way to whine about firsties when they actually do the things which your own theory predicts they should, and which you claim to want.
No.583629
>>583608Having a few US bases is a lot less damaging than literally having France dictate your economic policy for their own benefit.
No.583630
>>583608<unless it affects me it's meaingless!!!Average self-obsessed burger.
Shut the fuck up and preferably kill yourself dirty worthless american nobody wants you alive.
No.583631
>>583629Wait, how come France is the one dictating economic policy if the military occupant is American?
That doesn't sound like America at all.
No.583633
>>583632Sure but what is America doing there then
No.583634
>>583633america is everywhere duh
No.583636
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/Economy/niger-puts-an-end-to-uranium-and-gold-export-to-franceNiger puts an end to uranium and gold export to France>With immediate effect, the Republic of Niger under the leadership of General Abdourahamane Tchiani, and supported by the people of the Republic, announced the suspension of the export of uranium and gold to France on Sunday.
>In parallel to the decision, protestors were surrounding the French Embassy in Niger calling for the end of French colonial practices repeating the slogan “Down with France!” and reaffirming their support to the coup leader, Tchiani.>Wazobia Reporters, a Nigerien news website, reported on protestor proclaiming “We have uranium, diamonds, gold, oil, and we live like slaves? We don’t need the French to keep us safe.">world's seventh-biggest producer of uranium (just over 4% of world uranium output)>the leading uranium supplier vis-a-vis the EU No.583639
A skeptical take on the coup.
>The sign of the embassy is torn off. An attack against the symbol of the French presence, but above all a convenient target for the military perpetrators of the coup: one of them, General Mohamed Toumba, has moreover under his command, in the army from Niger, French soldiers based in Niger.
>For Guy Labertit, former delegate for Africa of the PS between 1993 and 2006, this discourse "has no depth among Nigeriens, it is rather folklore à la Kémi Séba (militant and racialist influencer, close to the extreme right in France – Editor’s note).” A little earlier, the CNSP had assured that the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Hassoumi Massoudou, had signed a document which "authorizes the French partner to carry out strikes within the presidential palace" to "release President Mohamed Bazoum". A lie intended to warm up the demonstrators.
>According to Guy Labertit, “the arguments of the military do not hold water. During this demonstration, we saw some Russian flags waved by excited people paid for it, but Russia should not be seen everywhere." An analysis corroborated by French intelligence services, quoted by Le Monde, saying they have "no clue" of a Russian presence. The Kremlin reacted by calling "to restore legality as soon as possible".
>The attack on the embassy led to a strong reaction from France through the voice of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, condemning “any violence against diplomatic premises, the security of which is the responsibility of the host State”. The Élysée indicated "not to tolerate any attack against France and its interests" . French interests, precisely, which are important in Niger: in addition to the military base and its 1,500 men, three uranium mines are operated by Orano (ex-Areva) in the country. "France is more radical because Niger is the last pivotal country in the region" , analyzes Guy Labertit.
[…]
>After several days of hesitation, it was therefore General Abdourahamane Tiani who took the lead of the putschist officers. He dismissed some of the officers involved in the coup and his power is contested by other corps of the Nigerien armies.
>Their only common point: their hatred of Mohamed Bazoum, a former trade unionist, and his Nigerien Party for Democracy and Socialism (PNDS). This Monday, according to our information, several leaders of the overthrown government were arrested by the military. Two ministers in particular were targeted, that of Mines, Ousseini Hadizatou Yacouba, and that of Petroleum, Mahamane Sani Mahamadou, who is none other than the son of the former president of Niger, Mahamadou Issoufou .
>A close adviser to Mohamed Bazoum, El hadj Foumakoye Gado, was also arrested: he is known in Niger as a key man in the energy sector. Targeted arrests that can be interpreted in two ways. First, as an offensive against President Bazoum's party, the PNDS; then, as a sign of the will of the military to quickly claim access to energy resources.
>The Nigerien Democratic Movement for an African Federation (Moden), a product of the former single party and led by Hama Amadou, hastened to pledge allegiance to the military, welcoming in a press release that the "valiant defense and (FDS) put an end to the horrors of the Nigerien populations by overthrowing the regime" and claiming to "support the CNSP." Which hardly surprises Guy Labertit: “It is the political forces of the old days that are behind it, but I am aware that the Moden has released such a press release…”
>ECOWAS, for its part, reacted firmly, enjoining the military to "restore constitutional order and release Mohamed Bazoum" within a week. Meeting on Sunday in Abuja, the capital of Nigeria whose president, Bola Tinubu, is also the rotating president of ECOWAS, the heads of state imposed severe economic sanctions.
>Financial transactions from abroad are blocked. With the agreement of ECOWAS, the Head of State of Chad, Mahamat Idriss Déby, has been in Niamey since Sunday. He met the military there, as well as Mohamed Bazoum and former President Issoufou. “His presence is very significant, explains Guy Labertit. "It is not part of ECOWAS and it is essential in the region. Tiani, former head of the presidential guard, knows very well its importance." The CNSP and the military, who denounce a very hypothetical “French military intervention” , could above all be forced to negotiate. It remains to be seen on what basis.
No.583641
>>583640>mettant en péril l'esprit de panafricanisme.nice, calling out the comprador traitors
No.583643
You're not supposed to be this obvious in pushing your "white man's burden", guys. I don't expect much, just some subtlety?
Source:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-66324875 No.583644
If Russia supporters are called "ziggers" then Niger supporters should be called …?
No.583645
>>583644Since there is no "Z" character in Russian Cyrillic, the reverse must be applied for a country that uses the Latin alphabet.
Иigers (iigers)
No.583649
>>583644supreme gentlemen
No.583650
>>583646It's pretty amazing to watch this happen. Utter chaoe, infighting and power struggles when NATO rules, them immediate professionalism and unity when…..Russia and China give a security guarantee. Sign of the Ogre #673492
No.583651
>>583647not exactly a detailed map
No.583653
What the Niger coup means for China’s presence in the Sahel region>Last week’s military coup in Niger is adding to the growing pains for China’s investments in the Sahel region.>On Wednesday, a group of soldiers from the presidential guard detained Nigerien President Mohamed Bazoum, citing a worsening security and economic situation.>In the past three years there have also been coups in Burkina Faso, Guinea, Mali, Chad and Sudan, all countries where China has extensive economic interests especially in the mining and petroleum industries and is looking to extend its multibillion-dollar trade and investment scheme, the Belt and Road Initiative.>Bazoum was elected in March 2021 in the country’s first peaceful, democratic transition since independence from France in 1960.>China’s foreign ministry said Beijing was closely monitoring the situation in Niger and called on relevant parties to act in the interest of the country and its people and solve differences peacefully through dialogue.>Rahmane Idrissa, a senior researcher at the African Studies Centre at Leiden University in Netherlands, said the military was taking advantage of what looked like an international climate more tolerant of coups.>Idrissa said the coup was a disaster for the Franco-Nigerien relationship and more broadly, for Niger’s relations with the West.>He said the Wagner Group – a Russian mercenary company with extensive interests in Africa – “isn’t a factor but the Kremlin is certainly happy about it, not because it helps the Nigeriens, but because it might help their progress into West Africa, which has been favoured by the juntas of Mali and Burkina Faso”.>He said China was present in Niger as an economic partner in the exploitation of oil in the eastern part of the country. “The deal will not be affected by the coup,” he said.>Bazoum is a close ally of France, and other Western nations but Beijing has been making inroads into Niger as it has with other countries in the region.https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3229399/what-niger-coup-means-chinas-presence-sahel-region>>583644They'd be called WAGNERITE PUTINIST ZIGGER GIGA uyghLER BLACK AFRICAN MONKEY PEOPLE of course.
No.583654
God I want to see a United States of Africa so bad.
No.583655
>>583640So, I didn't know shit about Mali (apart from it being where .ml TLDs come from) and apparently it's estimated that two thirds of their population are under 25.
>>583644Riggers
No.583656
Based. The age multipolar russian superprofits is upon us
No.583657
>>583646I can't find any evidence that there were exporting any.
No.583658
>>583644objectively correct
No.583659
>>583653China simply cannot stop winning, what the hell.
No.583661
>>583630Its totally a revolutionary government, we're just fine with US soldiers running around anyway, they're totally not in the country for any particular reason :^)
No.583662
>>583661You realize it's basically impossible to kick out US soldiers without being murdered?
No.583664
If it's not too much to ask I would like to see 2 maps of Africa with the countries showing a before and after switching to Russia/China from France/NATO please.
No.583665
>>583664Showing
what before and after? The border lines?
No.583666
>>583665not the borders kinda like if Niger had a flag on it switching from France to Russia or whatever but for the other countries. If there are too many just the ones surrounding Niger should suffice.
No.583667
>>583666and Niger itself hope this request isn't too weird or something.
No.583668
>>583596Someone should edit the bottom of the picture into a couch with Macron sitting on it.
No.583671
>>583653>Bazoum is a close ally of Francethey mean he was a carpet-tier westoid comprador cocksucker, I've seen one of his interview where he was deepthroating neo colonialism so hard it was embarassing
No.583673
>>583672>legalitySpray paint a Stirner head that can be seen from space outside the mine entrance.
There is no legality outside of force, France established that legality through force, and through force it was taken from them.
No.583675
>>583673<implyng besed Sankara would ever come out with this trash instead of the real materialist words he spat every time he was infront of a micthis is cringe and you are cringe.
No.583676
>>583672France 'illegally invaded' Niger.
No.583678
>>583676It's never illegal when western countries do it, tankie!
No.583682
>>583672westerners cannot conceive an African nation doing a coup because a bunch of yakubian leeches convinced themselves 99% of Africa is tribal wars
No.583684
>>583681talks of a 6th republic dates back from when the 5th one was created
No.583685
>>1555648
He's not wrong, the ukrainian orthodox church will surely make them saints.
No.583688
>>583608US soldiers were ordered back to base if that counts for anything. There's interest in bringing Russia into the country, too.
No.583691
>>583690with regards to #2, im sure French military intervention is an option seriously being considered, but the way I read this situation was that it was in direct response to ECOWAS declaring military intervention if the president was not reinstated, which led Mali and Burkina Faso to say they would both pull out of ECOWAS and defend Niger militarily if they were to do so
No.583692
>>5836901. you must keep in mind that Russia's influence in the coup is overstated by western media.
But still, most of the Support is due to seeing Russia as an anti-imperialist and anti-western force, due both to Russia actively being anti-western now, and due to historical reasons (Imperial Russia supporting Ethiopia against Italy and more importantly Soviet support to anticolonial movemnts) Russia generally has a good image among africans especially anti-western and anti-islamists ones. The new government will probably seek closer relations with Russia as did the other countries who had a coup recently.
2. a regional alliance that Niger was part of is threatening war, France is also considering the option. Burkina Faso and Mali are saying they'll defend Niger if they attack, however it is not Impossible that Mali will stay Neutral as they still are dealing with islamists in the north
No.583693
>>583690>Why are there so many people waving Russian flags?Since the war in Ukraine, many people in West Africa have seen Russia positively as a counterbalance to the West, who are their current and historical oppressors. Also Wagner has been active in the region fighting Islamist insurgents, and has apparently been doing a much better job than the French forces deployed to these countries.
>What's with Burkina Faso saying they would defend Niger in case of a military intervention?They seem to worry that the rest of ECOWAS, which is broadly Western aligned, would invade to restore power to a pro-Western government. No doubt this declaration was seen as a deterrent.
No.583696
>>583690>Was/is French military intervention a realistic threatI'd say it's improbable because of the risk of a complete military quagmire and a potentially large opposition from the population at home. France has other ways to indirectly take power back. But then again countries do shit like this every time like the US in Vietnam or recently Russia in Ukraine. If the new government is holding by a thread and only a few people need to be removed surely they'll try to go for it though.
No.583699
>>583697This is a bit over dramatic, the world system is global capitalism and it's doing "fine"
No.583702
>>583701the russians are getting pretty close to algeria, maybe they'll force them to defend niger in order to join z gang
No.583703
>>583701they will just arm them if theres a pro west intervention because they dont want the westoids to get too comfortable in the region, pushing for invasion of countries that overthrow their puppets
No.583704
>>583702>>583703zgang running on wishful thinking as always I see
No.583705
>>583701Im not sure nigeria will join a war against niger, specifically because the pro western candidate lost the recent election in favor of a more neutral guy. It was a big deal a couple months ago because it looked like france was trying to get nigeria back under control by putting in a new puppet. Anyway, nigeria isnt part of the french currency agreement that most ECOWAS countries are, and theyve become somewhat of an economic powerhouse in the region "the china of africa" as they say, which says to me that theyll be less than willing to throw away their gains just so that france can tighten its grip on its neighboring countries and eventually choke nigeria back into compliance.
No.583707
>>583687You have no argument so you call me an anarchist.
No.583708
>Can barely supply Ukraine
>Desperately building up for China
<Will show those Nigerians
I wish they'd try
No.583709
>>583708It's Nigeriens and you shouldn't wish for a war that could turn extremely ugly for an already dirt poor country just because you like jerking off on maps
No.583710
>>583709Fair enough but damn would the West being put down in Africa be satisfying. Basically if they want to have the audacity to fuck around damn right I'd like to see them find out.
No.583711
>>583709Communists are always stuck in between wanting to see the sausage but not wanting to see the process by which it's made. Obviously a French invasion of Niger would be horrible for the people there, but if France lost it may critically destabilize the French government and Western bloc more broadly. We can oppose French military action while still being aware of how it could benefit the anti-imperialist struggle in the long term.
No.583712
>>1555877
Lol faguette
No.583713
>>583702Hoi4 and its consequences
No.583715
>>1555877
>i-i-i d-didn't e-even want niger….
lmao look at this seething retard
No.583716
Ideal situation is China/Russia helps Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger build nuclear power plants, funds major infrastructural changes and they rapidly industrialize and decrease exportation of raw materials to the West. Because that's what socialist nations would do if they were ideologically sound, right? If they were socialist? Right?
No.583717
Where are all the pics of these russian flags being flown zfags keep talking about?
No.583718
>>583711"But if " and "may" are doing a lot of work here. People thought the war in Ukraine might weaken nato but instead it was used to strengthen it. Besides, a war is just what the french capitalists need to distract people from internal problems. The only thing that will result from this would be dead sons and daughters of workers on all sides and better tuned weapons for future wars.
Just because most of us can watch any potential war play out from a safe distance doesn't mean anons can forget the human cost of war. We can't treat it like a new product to consume akin to a new tv show. Even if we are not west African or french, or even know anyone who is that these are still people, our fellow workers. We can't let the potential prospects of a weaken french imperialism and our distance from any suffering be used to justify gawking at people for our amusement.
No.583721
>>583699It's a global hegemony of one capitalist faction that relies on total control over its puppets. Currently the other capitalist pole is gaining strength and the global hegemony, which wasn't doing so hot and has no real plans but to maintain the status quo, is losing its spaghetti. Covid showed us how minor of a stress will bring the western powers and economies to their knees.
No.583722
>>583719Now they just need to unify their countries into the USSR 2.0 (African edition)
No.583726
>>583725>vive PoutineCanadian cultural imperialism strikes again.
No.583727
>>583726What's next? Trafficking weed via model train set? Stealing and repairing shopping carts?
No.583728
>>583727Ganking luggage at the airport most likely.
No.583729
>>583603Nigeria is actually a sovereign state.
No.583730
>>583721You seem to be poorly read on communism if you think one side of global capitalism defeating the other is a win for us. That is just the nature of inter-imperialist conflict and capitalism as a whole. All capitalist nations wish to be the sole monopoly or a part the monopoly, as such they fight their imperialist rivals to achieve that. This doesn't change the fundamental character of global capitalism. A win would be the overthrow of one or all sections of global capital and the turn to socialism/communism. As long as capitalism is the order of the day the workers of all nations and peoples of poor nations will continue to be oppressed.
I suggest you read lenin to get a better under standing of what the real fight looks like.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/ch09.htm No.583732
>>583730The other capitalist pole I speak of is led by BRICS which includes Dengist China, up to you if you want to consider that insufficiently socialist. I don't think it's necessary for them to be even socialist so long as the rise of multipolarity brings about the conditions for the overthrow of third world resource colonies. Once they throw off their shackles and deny superprofits to the west, the entire rotten house of cards comes tumbling down.
The world revolution won't come from multipolarity, it will come from the third world oppressed nations once they're no longer under the western boot and imperialist COINTELPRO stormtroopers snuffing out internal social movements. They'll be more free to act once western imperialist military bases are removed from their territory, and to overthrow their own bourgeoisie. Meanwhile firstoids will eat each other alive once the steady flow of socdem treats made possible by colonial exploitation comes to a halt. Multipolarity is merely step one of the liberation.
And as for Russia and China, they have no interest in involving themselves in these countries to such an extent as France or burgerland. They'll cooperate with the local bourgeoisie to pull off development projects but they're not putting in glowies to support the local equivalent of mujahideen or Ukronazis to kill off the opposition. Socialists in those countries will be freer to act than under western occupation.
No.583733
>>583628it's pronounced kneedjayer in angloid
No.583736
>>583735Not sure what you are implying by this response. But if you are saying that Russia will steal Nigers resources instead of the west than I could give less of a fuck. Russia has no ability to actualize its imperial power into renforcing hegemonic capitalism. Even if you take the worst case scenario that libs come up with (That they are just trading Russia for the west, which is bullshit) Russia is fundamentally less advanced in capitalism than that of the Western Bloc. When the tap gets cut off for westerners the Bourgeoisie will have to go back to exploiting us, and then Marx's prediction that the most advanced capitalist nations being the birthplace of capitalism will come true.
No.583737
>>583705>In the event the authorities’ demands are not met within one week we will take all measures necessary to restore constitutional order in the Republic of Niger. Such measures may include the use of force.>JULY 30 2023Why are the coasties like this?
No.583738
>>583736Birthplace of communism*
No.583739
>>583736I'm joking that Russia is just trying to make an honest ruble, with the alphabet soup completely uninvolved.
No.583740
So how does this connect to Sudan? I imagine both sides of the Sudanese conflict have connections to the either the West or Russia/China
No.583741
>>583739Sorry its difficult to know what is a joke and what is brainrot these days.
No.583743
>>583734Yeah a person's position on these West African coups is going to be a great litmus test to distinguish genuine comrades from pro-imperialist radlibs. If you can't at least see why a nationalist turn in these countries would be a good thing, you have zero idea of how the world works or what needs to be done to achieve the goals of socialism. If you can't at least see the French and ECOWAS as unambiguous villains that need to be opposed, regardless of your feelings about Russia or doubts about thr coup, then you're pretty useless to the struggle you came to support. People need to start thinking in terms of what we need to accomplish to strengthen our movement, and not lash out randomly at everything they consider to be violating an abstract set of socialist principles. They need to separate their analysis of the situation from their moralistic sentiments. You can't make a moral decision anyway without an unbiased and detached understanding of the conditions.
No.583744
>>583732Again You don't understand how this all works because you are working off of an unmarxist and idealist understanding of the world. You are completely ignoring the laws of capitalist imperialism. For one, the west is not a single solid bloc but a league of imperialists so, If it brakes up you still have to deal with the many imperialists states who will seek to fill the void left in the wake of the brake up. Also these local social movements will still have to contend with compradors backed by non western imperialists and remnant imperialist states like turkey and Germany, so they won't be as free as you make it out to be. We also have no idea if these social movements will take a progressive character(IE Communist and Socialist) or a reactionary one. In the case of reaction we can see these states working with imperialists rather then against them.
>Meanwhile firstoids will eat each other alive once the steady flow of socdem treats made possible by colonial exploitation comes to a halt. This relies on a vulgarization of labor aristocracy. The majority of people in the first world don't receive the benefits of empire so this wouldn't happen. There will be a crisis in the middle class but, it'll be resolved by a turn to fascism, hyper austerity, or a war for new markets.
>And as for Russia and China, they have no interest in involving themselves in these countries to such an extent as France or burgerland.unmarxist take. Russia is a capitalist state and will seek to secure new markets and maintain old ones like what we saw in Kazakhstan. To pretend that Russia or even Dengist china are above the laws of capitalist imperialism is idealist at best.
>they're not putting in glowies to support the local equivalent of mujahideen The Chinese supported the mujahideen against the soviets and are cutting deals with the Taliban. China has always done things in it's interest, even at the expense of local progressive forces. It invaded Vietnam in support of pol pot and backed anti ML insurgents in Angola. To act like China has a record of non-interventionism shows your lack of knowledge on maoist and dengist china.
Anon just read Lenin it not that hard to understand.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/index.htm\ Even some Enver Hoxha will do you some good.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hoxha/works/1977/07/07.htm No.583745
>>583744>There will be a crisis in the middle class but, it'll be resolved by a turn to fascism, hyper austerity, or a war for new markets. and usually once thats resolved we see the rise of a new communist power. ww1 saw the rise of russia. ww2 saw the rise of china. i wonder what ww3 will bring
No.583746
>>583745WW3 will bring the rise of post nuclear communism
No.583748
>>583597The junta's have all failed at ending islamic terrorism.
No.583749
>>583744Not him but trying to tell other people that they aren't Marxist while recommending ultra stuff like Hoxha is funny. The people who are furthest away from a material analysis always seem to be the people who like throwing around the most.
>You are completely ignoring the laws of capitalist imperialism. For one, the west is not a single solid bloc but a league of imperialists so, If it brakes up you still have to deal with the many imperialists states who will seek to fill the void left in the wake of the brake up.This doesn't matter the individual will always be weaker than the collective, smaller imperial powers will fight amongst themselves and destroy each other like what happened during the world wars. They will be unable to enforce their will on the developing world much if at all. Those world wars are what directly led to the intial wave of decolonization, it was only after the western bloc reconstituted itself after WW2 that neo colonialism came back in full force and its no coincidence that around the same time the 50s to 70s that labour movements in the west had their backs broken by crackdowns. They could afford to get away with this due to the post war boom and beginning of neo colonialism.
>This relies on a vulgarization of labor aristocracy. The majority of people in the first world don't receive the benefits of empire so this wouldn't happen. There will be a crisis in the middle class but, it'll be resolved by a turn to fascism, hyper austerity, or a war for new markets. Being spooked by the fascism scare in 2023 is hilarious from someone claiming to have a material understanding of the world. Fascism was a unique ideological trend that arose from the fall of the last remenants of feudalism in european nations combined with the rise of bougeois nationalism, any "Fascism" that arises in the modern day will be eaten alive by infighting and be co opted by captialism completely.We saw this with the "Alt-Right" wave of the 2010s which was subsumed entirely into culture war meaninglessness. The time in history for fascism to be a real threat has ran out. At best it will be a desperate attempt to brainwash the proletarian to adopt a bourgeois mindset in order to justify contiuning capitalism eternally. Besides it doesn't matter what form your existence takes in the first world be it a homeless person, industrial worker, or CEO you are benefiting from imperial exploitation by simply living in imperial society. Being homeless in the USA is far better than being homeless in Niger.
>unmarxist take. Russia is a capitalist state and will seek to secure new markets and maintain old ones like what we saw in Kazakhstan. To pretend that Russia or even Dengist china are above the laws of capitalist imperialism is idealist at best.Again Russia has no ability to enforce its will hegemonically, the best it can do is negotiate a better deal than the west which will be inherently less exploitative by the need to undercut competing imperial powers. This is a good thing no matter how one frames it. Merely parroting marxist theory doesn't make one a marxist knowing the words and understanding them are two entirely different things. One must be able to think independently from marxist dogma and craft new conclusions to fit changing material conditions instead of trying to fit previous assumptions into the modern context.
History is inevitable, former imperial powers may turn to reactionary drivel but at the end of the day there simply is no more fuel for capitalism left in the gas tank. The rate of profit continues to decline and the treats will quickly run out.The bourgeoisies' days are numbered and no amount of fascism, murder, or idealism is going to stop that.
No.583751
<From 2022:While Niger finds itself on the front line with the prospect of the withdrawal of French and European forces from Mali, Mohamed Bazoum had convened a Conference of Executives, which brought together the country's political, administrative and social elite at the amphitheater in the center of Mahatma Gandhi lectures. The objective was above all to convince Nigeriens of the need to welcome the European Takuba force, in a climate of growing hostility towards France and its allies, including in Niger.
In more than an hour and a half, without notes but with passion, President Bazoum reminded his compatriots of the history of the crisis, which he traced back to the fall of Colonel Gaddafi, without ignoring its deep roots, particularly in within the Tuareg and Toubou communities that went into rebellion in the 1990s and 2007. Nostalgic for the peace that had disappeared, he spoke of the time when Nigerien soldiers could lead “a whole career without ever having to deal with an enemy.”
“We tipped over into violence and, subsequently, outright into war from 2011. This ordeal was not foreseeable for us. We weren't prepared for it."
>At the source of the Tuareg rebellionsThe base of the country's relative solidity in the crisis is to be credited to Mahamadou Issoufou who, from his arrival, involved the Tuareg and Toubou communities in the management of the country, in particular by distributing posts within them. “We have implemented governance that puts all our compatriots at ease and that does not give any of them the feeling that they are not integrated by the Republic. (…) We succeeded in this policy with great success because today, I am going to tell you, the problem in Mali lies in the fact that it has not been done. (…) In Mali, they don't have more Tuaregs than us, no more Arabs than us, but since 2012, two-thirds of their territory escapes the expression of state sovereignty. »
"I want our citizens to know that this was a significant moment and something on which we were able to build institutions that have remained strong."
Mohamed Bazoum then painted the picture of a country besieged on all its borders, "the country most exposed to terrorist organizations, because we are facing several outbreaks at the same time". Indeed, he recalled, terrorism developed in central Mali before spreading “to neighboring territories, Burkina Faso and Niger, to become a characteristic phenomenon of the countries of the Central Sahel. In the west of the country, the Islamic State in the Greater Sahara, since 2015, and the Katiba Macina affiliated with the other jihadist franchise, since 2019, have thus struck on both banks of the river.
In the south-east, Niger has been confronting Boko Haram since 2015. Since 2018, it has also been confronted with widespread banditry in the south, all along the border with Nigeria: "highway bandits with military capabilities typical of terrorist organizations. (…) They cross the border, kidnap our citizens, steal their cattle and demand the payment of ransoms. Finally, in the northeast, Libya, “a large platform on which criminal organizations that thrive in trafficking operate. »
>Niger better off than MaliIn this harsh context, President Bazoum believes that Niger has nothing to be ashamed of its record, comparing itself to its two direct neighbours, Mali and Burkina Faso: “we are even a little poorer than them. »
“We have a million km more than Burkina Faso in areas where, on our border, we don't have a single soldier from neighboring countries. This is the case with Libya. This is the case with Mali. On 800,000 km2, the few small advanced military posts that we had in front of us and with which we coordinated a little bit at a given time, they were abandoned, because the terrorists overwhelmed our Malian brothers. Today (…), to find a Malian soldier, you have to go as far as Menaka, as far as Ansango, as far as Gao. »
Mohamed Bazoum also, for the first time, provided figures for Nigerien military personnel. “We tripled them. Our desire is to reach 50,000 soldiers by 2025. We are at 30,000. When we came, they were 11,000.” One rifle per soldier is another objective achieved, according to him, by the regime socialist. “We have exponentially increased the number of vehicles used by our defense and security forces; we acquired modern equipment, guns, planes; we have improved the bonuses and we have developed the concept of operations,” he continued. In total, the personnel engaged in operations, throughout the territory, number 11,761. They must be provided with “fuel, food, ammunition, health, clothing and travel allowances.
“These are painful, tough, difficult operations for our soldiers. But they held on. And they are holding up,” he said, to loud applause from the audience.
>Bygone neo-sankarist thesesThe President has responded vigorously to the criticisms of Nigeriens who reproach him for welcoming the future French redeployment on his territory. To those nostalgic for General Seyni Kountché (who had asked the French contingent to leave), he replied that there was, at that time, no threat, ironically on the fact that the French had no elsewhere not prevented the coup against Diori Amani. He worked for a long time to dismantle “received ideas recycled by people who, perhaps, do not understand their meaning”, rejecting “neo-sankarist, third-worldist theses of bygone eras. »
He welcomed the training provided by friendly countries, especially to special forces. “It in no way calls into question our sovereignty. We would like our soldiers not to be well trained? Thanks to the assistance of our partners (…) we have benefited from equipment and infrastructures that we could never have had and which have considerably improved the capacities of our armies”, he added, quoting pell-mell. mixes planes, vehicles, military bases.
“I saw the equipment, I saw the infrastructure! How can we be blamed for having relations with these people, we who have a duty to ensure the security of our citizens by strengthening the capacities of our forces. Is this a fair trial? Ah, they are sold to white people! he quipped. »
>A structural budgetary dependenceThe toughest attack was yet to come. It targeted student trade unionists, civil servants, Nigerien citizens in general. “Sovereignty… My dear friends, I would like you to know that 40% of our budget is provided by external assistance from these Western countries. So sovereignty for sovereignty, why don't we say we don't need their money? Let's be sovereign until the end! At that time, you must not take the scholarships that are given to you, acquired through the assistance of external aid, do not take salaries, do not walk on the roads: all the roads you see here are donations of the European Union,” he continued, listing a dozen paved roads in the country.
This structural financial dependence, he added, is not unique to Niger. It is the fact of all the poor countries in Africa or outside the continent.
He went on to challenge the theory of plundering Africa's resources. “When people say that Westerners come to get our raw materials, they don't know what they are talking about. “When the West was in an economy governed by the requirement of the primitive accumulation of capital, this Europe needed raw materials to develop and it is from this that the need arose, in within the framework of their rivalry between Western powers, to go and conquer the world for these raw materials. (…) But today, they no longer need it. Today, the economy has become totally financialized, digitalized. »
>France, an ogreConcerning France, Mohamed Bazoum drew on his own memories of a Marxist militant, to assert that “the France that we knew and that we fought in the 1970s was a France that supported coups d'etat, all dirty tricks. We who had been fed on these Third World theories, we accused France of all the sins of Israel. This time, France says it is against the coup (in Mali). And we treat it as if it were the France of Jacques Foccart! France is no longer a reality but a concept. France is an ogre. »
Driving the point home, he denied that the French commitment was linked to the exploitation of uranium from Niger, whose prices collapsed after the Fukushima accident. “Between France and us, there is a uranium mine which produces 2,000 tons per year. The ton sells for 50,000 CFA francs; that's 100 billion CFA francs. I have all my uranium, but nobody wants to invest to exploit it! You can't tell me that France, which buys its uranium in Kazakhstan and Canada, wants to impose things on me because there is uranium in Niger! It is I who beg them to make me Imouraren, the future giant mine”.
Returning to the genesis of the French intervention in Mali, he recalled painful memories and spared little African self-esteem. “When the terrorists launched their assault on Bamako, all West African heads of state pleaded with the French authorities to intervene. Mali was sovereign, right? Why didn't Mali fight back and why didn't Africans come to Mali's rescue? They begged: Dan Allah, Dan Allah, Holland! We must intervene! And speaking of the French soldiers, he continued in these terms: “And they stayed, the poor, because they had to stay. »
>A complex with regard to Westerners?For the President of Niger, it was up to the Malians to “organise themselves to do without the others, the Europeans and the French. “It is up to our states to ensure that, once we have been assisted, we do without this assistance. And when I hear the Africans – and I am really disappointed and sad – say that they (the French) stayed nine years and that they did not put an end to terrorism… But what do we have we done to put an end to terrorism, we Africans? Don't we remain in a complex relationship vis-à-vis Westerners? We have to get rid of this mentality. »
Mohamed Bazoum did not hide the limits of military action in the context of the country's poverty. “We don't have the means to keep all our villages. My reality is determined by my limited means. My soldiers, there are 12,000 in operation. If next to them, I can place 6 to 700 Europeans, who have helicopters, who will work with them, that's the spirit of Takuba! And that's going to be the spirit of Barkhane. I have my soldiers, I have my FDS. But I need their support, and they have to be on the ground too, a reduced ground component with aerial capabilities. »
Fearing the vacuum created by the forthcoming departure of French and European forces from the three-border area, the President told how, within ECOWAS, the plan for the redeployment in Niger of part of these forces had been formed. “We agreed, at our request – we are the requesters – that they stay in the Sahel and see how we can deploy them. »
>An assumed pragmatismMuch clearer than European decision-makers, who willingly take refuge behind the obscure "war against terrorism", Mohamed Bazoum formulated the reasons for their presence in the Sahel as follows: "They consider that we are neighbors and that the problems of Africa are, in some ways, their problems too. They believe that if terrorism thrives here, this violence can carry over to their homes. And the destruction of our economies will push many Africans to migrate to Europe, simply because it's the way out. »
Evoking Wagner and Russia, very popular lately on social networks in West Africa, the Nigerien President remained just as pragmatic. “We are told that we must change allies. I don't mind. All our war planes, the Sukhoi, we bought them from Russia. The helicopters, we bought them from Russia. (…) If the Russians want to help us, we are ready. But a private security company I can't afford to hire because it seems to cost $10,000 a month per soldier. For 1000 men, that would be 7 and a half billion. But if I have 7 billion per month, I would use that to buy helicopters for my soldiers! »
Against the grain of the speech of denigration of the French army which is all the rage in the Sahel, he considered "excellent" the results of Barkhane in Mali. “Serval killed 600 terrorists in Mali. Barkhane killed 2,223 jihadists. That's 2,800 jihadists. And those who are killed are generally those who expose themselves, who fight, who take risks. (…) They did more than that. They killed the main leaders.” And to list a dozen executives of Al Morabitoune, AQIM, Ansar Dine and GNIM killed by the French army. With, sometimes, a hint of admiration in his voice. “Droukdel: quite simply the Algerian boss of AQIM, the most dangerous man who can exist! Mokhtar Belmokhtar, the French hunted him down and killed him in Libya. Bay Ag Bakabo, the one who killed Ghislaine Dupont. To the Islamic State, Abu Walid Al Sahraoui, the leader himself. »
https://mondafrique.com/politique/la-rude-et-courageuse-franchise-du-president-nigerien-mohamed-bazoum/ No.583752
>>583751how do you trace the instability back to the fall of gaddafi but conclude that MORE western intervention and partnerships is the right move?
No.583753
>>583695Older video. Algeria has apparently come out and said they oppose foreign intervention but recognize Bazoum as president. Algerian newspapers are also blaming the UAE for orchestrating the coup.
No.583755
>>583750Didn't they demand that all flights to and from a major US airbase be cancelled?
No.583757
People are reading way too much into this coup.
They're projecting global politics on what is much more likely a coup that is largely motivated by internal issues.
Do we even know clearly who the coup leaders are and what they want?
No.583760
>muh modern day Sankara
But Sankara only existed because he went through a French education. There won't be another Sankara.
With decolonisation we are reverting to Africa being ruled by tribal leaders, not le heckin based black commie.
No.583762
>>583760Didn't one of these juntas appoint a communist as PM?
No.583763
>>583736>Even if you take the worst case scenario that libs come up with (That they are just trading Russia for the west, which is bullshit) Russia is fundamentally less advanced in capitalism than that of the Western Bloc. Based post. No other entity has the institutional multi-generational experience needed to maintain ruthless hegemony like the Anglo-West imo. Anyone else is a massive improvement for African states, especially when new partners also have experience of western imperialism.
>When the tap gets cut off for westerners the Bourgeoisie will have to go back to exploiting us, and then Marx's prediction that the most advanced capitalist nations being the birthplace of capitalism will come true.We also get this too. Another win-win situation.
No.583764
So we are just anti-western at this point? Russian colonialism good etc?
No.583765
>>583764Don't panic and react anon, get informed
No.583767
>>583757>all the sahel have military coups that throw out pro west puppet and ask for french military to leave, partly thank to rising multipolarity offering them potential alternatives, partly because westoids have fucked the region so much there are jihadists everywhere but the corrupt puppet comprador regimes cant do shit about it<you're reading too much into it !with a nice reddit spacing on top.
>>583760shit bait indeed
>muh tribal leadersall the juntas have clearly proclaimed a program of national mobilization and pan africanism.
Sankara has also been invoked as a reference and example to follow.
No.583768
>>583764I see you have entirely internalized glowie talking points. KYS
No.583769
>>583766>two capitalist camps fighting over colonial resources>you have to support ((this)) camp or youre not a true communist!Lmao
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>>583762Yeah, the Burkina Faso one at that
No.583772
>>583770>russia is colonizing even more territory<russia cant colonize because reasonsSeems contradictory.
No.583774
>>583764>>583772where are the colonies jordan?
No.583775
>>583764>Russian colonialismproofs?
No.583776
>>583772Idk 'anon', it just seems like colonial seethe to me. Do you have any actual proof that Sahel is being 'colonized by Russia'?
No.583777
>>583772Lol. Where teh fuck in africa is being colonized by russia?
You people are insane sometimes. jfc.
No.583778
>>583777western colonialism = freedom
no western colonialism = the poor african subhumans are opressed and need to be liberated with NATO bombs
No.583780
>>583773It often takes weeks or mounts for a post-coup government to stabilize into something cohesive
No.583782
>>583779proofs for the 2nd one happening…?
No.583783
>>583779<non western colonialism = colonialismSure, so show us where it is happening right now.
No.583784
>>583781post source or twxtter link
No.583786
ECOWAS Sanctions: Nigeria Cuts Off Power Supply To Niger Republic Cities
<A number of cities in the Niger Republic are currently experiencing prolonged blackouts after Nigeria cut its power supply to the neighbouring West African country.>According to Nigelec, an electricity company in Niger, the development followed an emergency meeting by the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS), where sanctions, including freezing utility services, were imposed on the Niger Republic over its coup.https://saharareporters.com/2023/08/02/ecowas-sanctions-nigeria-cuts-power-supply-niger-republic-citiesPolitical Instability in Niger: UK backs move by ECOWAS to reinstate Bazoum
<Visiting UK Foreign Secretary, James Cleverly, on Wednesday, said his country backs the wide range of sanctions announced by the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) against the military junta in the Niger Republic.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/political-instability-in-niger-uk-backs-move-by-ecowas-to-reinstate-bazoum/ar-AA1eGZOYWhat would West African bloc's threat to use force to restore democracy in Niger look like?<West Africa’s regional bloc known as ECOWAS has threatened the use of force if the ousted president of Niger is not reinstated within one week, but how the body would carry out the threat remains unclear<The 15-nation bloc summoned its defense chiefs to discuss its threat to “take all measures necessary (that) may include the use of force” if ousted Nigerien President Mohamed Bazoum is not reinstated within one week. ECOWAS is resolved to use military force after economic and travel sanctions used against the coup plotters failed, according to a Western diplomat in Niamey who did not want to be identified for security reasons.>But here's what we can tell so far on how such a military option could play out:https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/ecowas-threat-force-restore-democracy-niger-101903642Burkina Faso and Mali vow to fight if Niger attacked <THE crisis in Niger deepened today as some of the country’s neighbours lined up in support of the military group that staged a coup last Wednesday.>A joint statement from the military-controlled governments of Burkina Faso and Mali warned that “any military intervention against Niger would be tantamount to a declaration of war against Burkina Faso and Mali.” The statement read by Colonel Abdoulaye Maiga, Mali’s state minister for territorial administration and decentralisation, said the “disastrous consequences of a military intervention in Niger” would end up destabilising the whole region.https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/burkina-faso-and-mali-vow-to-fight-if-niger-attacked No.583788
>>583764Yes. Long life to Comrade Putin.
No.583789
>>583787>>583781Seems like most of the Nigerians in the comments are strongly anti-war with Niger.
No.583791
>>583790t. self-hating westerner
No.583792
>>583791I love myself, that's why I hate the West. My country is not my self.
No.583793
>>583791>if you don’t defend imperialism you’re self-hatingmask off lmao
No.583794
>>583793lmao big talk coming from an imperialist burgoid
No.583796
After browsing nairaland and nigerian twitter, it seems president Tinubu is extremley unpopular. If he tries to bring Nigeria to war there might be a civil war.
No.583797
>>583796Nigeria flipping from NATO-slave to multipolarist could make it a major power in ~10 years
No.583798
>>583786How many refugees should I expect to arrive if a war starts?
t wooden shoe wearer
No.583799
>>583798A lot considering that Nigeria already has uhh… Hundreds of thousands of refugees inside Niger?
If NAFO doesn't quickly get btfo then they will have to flee, plus there would be new refugees of course…
No.583800
>>583797Nigeria is one of the powerhouses in Africa, right? If they manage to unshackle themselves from the west, they reach big heights fairly quickly.
No.583801
>>583786<still fucked it up on the titlesone day i will do news-posting without copy-errors. sorry T.T
No.583802
>>583800On paper they should be… But so should be DR Congo.
No.583803
>>583800Yea right.
just like SA.
lmfao.
No.583804
>>583803SA is still fucked after Apartheid - ANC is doing nothing while whitey is picking their pockets
hopefully EFF will address this with a
>radical land reform No.583805
>>583797Nigeria is too smart to go to war with niger. The Igbo tribe are a lost tribe of israel and are 200 autism score superhumans, and make up a large part of nigeria's population (as well as biafran nationalists).
No.583806
>>583802Reminder that Patrice Lumumba was murdered and Mobutu installed so that Belgians could continue extracting the mineral wealth. Hammarskjold also got whacked around the same time.
No.583807
>>583804I agree, but SA is a good example of the realities of 'post-colonial' africa. It is important to not have delusions i think the scars are very deep and some here are very in to their wishful thinking.
No.583808
>>583730>I suggest you read lenin to get a better under standing of what the real fight looks like. You mean the one that died over a hundred years ago in Germany?
>>583749This kills the bothsideist
>>583785Or dare I say it not just a lettuceburger… but a nothingburger
No.583809
>>583805>The Igbo tribe are a lost tribe of israel and are 200 autism score superhumans, and make up a large part of nigeria's population (as well as biafran nationalists).This checks out as Nigerians are constantly seething about them like /pol/ does the Jews
No.583811
Here is a link to a highly informative video by Black Red Guard which gives an eloquent rundown of what is really happening in West Africa from a Maoist perspective
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaS4VsXpLh , ✊😜!
No.583813
>>1557775
What are you trying to say?
No.583814
>>583813anything that isn't a 1917 tier revolt followed by nationwide struggle sessions and redistribution is a nothingburger not worthy of leftypol's attention
No.583815
>>583807It is also an unique case, being the only at least partially settler colony in Africa… Other countries would have an easier time restructuring their economies because they don't have implanted settler populations.
No.583816
Any updates?
No.583818
>>583817In theory it's easier to break the local shackles
No.583820
>>583819>concern troll anti-imperialist threads>"I also support ukraine by the way"you are too obvious
No.583821
>>583817Local shackles don't involve stunting their own development to preserve their dependence on Europe.
No.583822
>>583820>ukrainethat's rojava
No.583823
>>583815Algeria was the other settler colony on the continent, should South Africa have taken the Algerian solution ?
>>583820 Thats Rojava, do you think they use the arab script in Ukraine ?
No.583824
>>583823>do you think they use the arab script in Ukraine ?They will when the see the holy light of Islam, inshallah.
No.583825
>>1558056
critical support for america in its fight against NATO turkey
No.583826
>>1558056
sir this is the niger thread
No.583827
>>583824there are pro-ukrainian ISIS.
>>1558056Both New Caledonia and Northern Ireland are statelets created by desperate colonial empires trying to keep a remnant of their former empires who are currently opressing the local population, but if I posted a picture of New Caledonia's flag and you'd talk about Northern Ireland you'd just be an idiot.
No.583828
>>583820You are too subtle
No.583829
Well it seems embassies are being cleared and Western nationals evacuated. I can't imagine that's a good sign for war not occuring.
No.583830
>>583823Not sure if almost total expulsion is necessary, but certainly not just let them own everything.
No.583831
>>583829it really depends on if Nigeria will commit or not
Frenchies putting boots on the ground (apart from advisors and those few foreign legion troops that are there) seems unlikely, they will probably only deliver air and materiel support
but for them to be able to give support, at least one of the ECOWAS countries needs to invade
No.583832
>>583810This. The question is will the West turn up the chaos this time, with Russia and China standing by.
No.583833
>>583821What development? mansions for national capitalists? Isn't the believe that these regions of Earth need first a national capitalist revolution just stageism?
No.583834
>>1558056
Assads government seems to disagree
No.583835
>>583808> Ireland is just a case of first world infighting for the spoils of the periphery so they’re hardly comparable. This is the problem with three worlds theory, it ignores the real relations between small capitalist states and imperialist states. Ireland is still dominated by British imperialism, only now it's done through economics/debt and a loyal comprador faction of the national capitalists working in the background. We see this same relationship in all of the "first world". There doesn't need to be a non western population to justify supporting struggles for full self-determination. At the same time this struggle must be led by the most progressive forces like in Rojava or else it will just be used by one or another imperialist power like with Iraqi Kurdistan.
No.583836
>>583835 Meant for >>1558071
No.583838
If any of you cared about building socialism in your lifetime you'd drop what you're doing, learn french, travel to Burkina Faso, Mali, Niger, or the Republic of Guinea, and do hard labor, while contributing to the formulation of a socialist plan for West Africa. But you don't and you won't. So why talk about it at all? You're all ineffectual Anglos that are all talk. Am I projecting? Sure. Doesn't mean I'm not correct.
No.583839
>>583838What's stopping you from logging off the website and doing exactly that
right now? No.583840
If any of you cared about building socialism in your lifetime you'd drop what you're doing, learn Hindu, travel to Dandakaranya-Chhattisgarh-Odisha region and do hard labor, while contributing to the formulation of a socialist plan for the Naxalites in West India. But you don't and you won't. So why talk about it at all? You're all ineffectual Anglos that are all talk. Am I projecting? Sure. Doesn't mean I'm not correct.
No.583841
>>583835>Ireland is still dominated by British imperialism,And EU imperialism.
The whole attempted revolution, the good friday agreement, only to accept new masters.
sad..
No.583842
If any of you cared about building socialism in your lifetime you'd drop what you're doing, learn Spanish, travel to Peru, and learn kung-fu while contributing to the formulation of a new boxer rebellion plan for the Neon Genesis Shining Path (headed by me, Chairman Anon. You must memorize all of my posts or else you are a capitalist roader). But you don't and you won't. So why talk about it at all? You're all ineffectual Anglos that are all talk. Am I projecting? Sure. Doesn't mean I'm not correct.
No.583843
>>583596Why the fuck did they name their country after a slur? Don't they realize this will just give /pol/ even more ammunition?
No.583844
>>583838What did the people of this website do for you to want to make them suffer trought the French language ?
No.583845
>>583842Are you really this proud of this shitty paragraph that you must spam it?
jesus that is pathetic.
No.583846
>>583845Me and the second guy are mocking the original paragraph, anon
No.583847
If any of you cared about building socialism in your lifetime you'd drop what you're doing, learn Welsh, travel to Gwynedd and do hard labor as Welsh coal miner, while contributing to the formulation of a socialist plan for Plaid Cymru in North West Wales. But you don't and you won't. So why talk about it at all? You're all ineffectual Anglos that are all talk. Am I projecting? Sure. Doesn't mean I'm not correct.
No.583849
>>583846>no but you don't understand i am spamming it to mock him!doesn't make it better. can you please find another thread to shit up?
No.583850
I like to lurk on r/neoliberal because the seething about stuff like this is pretty funny. Relevant article:
>Biden administration unwilling to call Niger coup a ‘coup’https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/31/biden-administration-unwilling-to-call-niger-coup-a-coup-00109035Everything's coming up Malihouse
No.583851
>>583841Well that goes without saying.
To return the discussion back on Niger, because this coup is not led by progressive forces it will not turn the country on to the path of independent socialist development like with Cuba or Allende's Chile. Rather we may see the country go the same way as Egypt where development is used to empower the top brass of the military and local capitalist class. Like with Egypt it will have some autonomy when it comes to foreign & domestic policy but still need the support and backing of foreign capital and or an imperialist power to maintain control. If we believe the Algerians then we can already see that this coup is being headed by foreign capitalists such as the UAE.
Lastly, I want to fight back against what
>>583821 said. We must stress that there is a difference between Independent capitalist and socialist development, some anons here don't seem to understand that. If Niger develops with capitalist methods as India, South Africa and Sudan did then we will see a massive disparity of wealth between the proletariat & peasantry and the local capitalist class. The benefits of development will go to the ruling class and their supporters rather then the farming towns and industrial cities where workers and peasants live. We can see this most clearly in Venezuela were the recent switch from socialist to capitalist development has only benefited the middle and upper classes. Independent development must be socialist or else it's just going to reproduce the same conditions that the people already live under.
No.583852
>>583851It's too early to say if this coup is lead by progressive forces, if we take the exemple of Burkina Faso, the coup there is made by an alliance between Sankarists and anti-colonial forces, it's still too early to tell what will be the face of Burkina Faso after the transition, and it's definitly too early to tell for Niger, the UAE thing is reported by some algerian newspaper, but even the, who knows if it's because the Nigerien junta are UAE puppets or if it's purely out of realpolitik (The Kaiser did sent Lenin in Russia after all) altho ultimatly I think the coup is a good thing due to weakening French and western grip over Africa, that could lead to actual communist revolutions there
No.583853
>>583851Anon some people here literally believe that there are no bourgeoisie in Africa. You are arguing against people who live purely in a fantasy reality.
I know i keep bringing it back to SA but when SA had so much, the ANC had the political capital to do what it wanted, it could have turned the country in to the jewel of africa, a leftist project for all to aspire to.. the future at it's plate.. and yet look at it today.
I do not see how one could look at any of the series of coups in west Africa and see anything particularly progressive inherently in them, it even being to early to tell if this will really affect the french in the real way.
No.583854
>>583853The Coup in Burkina Faso has progressive elements, they claim themselves of Sankara's legacy, whether or not they will uphold it is to early to tell, but large parts of their government are communists, so they might
No.583857
>>583850so what would be the alternative? these libs would take us into WW3?
No.583858
>>583851>If Niger develops with capitalist methods as India, South Africa and Sudan did then we will see a massive disparity of wealth between the proletariat & peasantry and the local capitalist classCapitalist development can still promote industrialization and weaken the relations of dependence between these countries and the imperial core. It will also shift the global balance of power (and in Africa in particular) away from the imperialists. It will also lead to the emergence of an industrial proletariat that can form the basis of a communist movement. Obviously it would be better for communists to take power right away and carry out development on socialist terms, but in the absence of that a national bourgeois government is the next best thing, and is certainly a huge improvement over the status quo.
No.583859
>>583857They just want to reassert hegemony/wholesome chungus democracy, depending on how honest they are. Some of them have noticed that whining about Wagner is a meme as that means that Wagner is offering a better deal than France.
>>583858>this coup is not led by progressive forcesYou should have stopped reading there, Burkina Faso is being run by Sankarists again. Time for whitepills.
No.583860
>>583850How do you square hosting US troops and bases with expelling the French ones and lip servicing anti-imperialism/colonialism? Is it because the US would benefit from weakening
Europe?
It's looking like a much more complex play than just "a coup".
No.583864
>>583800>>583817>>583821Nigeria unlike franqarfrique IS independent of the west. They are their own capitalist power. I could see Nigeria becoming an imperal power, perhaps they might partition franqfrique with France, which might be whats happening.
No.583865
>>583864Almost 90% of Nigeria's exports are oil and gas. I'm going to need you to fucking hit yourself. And then hit yourself again every time you have the urge to all Nigeria an imperial power.
No.583866
>>583850Maybe the US is *not at all* bothered by the development in which *they* get to be a major party in regulating France's supply of Uranium.
Maybe it's time for France to lose it's energy independence.
Maybe "fuck the EU" and they are finishing the job after Nordstream and self-sanctions.
No.583867
Anons don't you know this coup took out the democratically elected leader. Do you guys hate democracy?
No.583869
>>583630>nobody wants you alive.ok then why not kill the troops then? dummy!
No.583870
>>583861Anti-western aesthetics falling for national capitalist infighting
No.583871
>>583870lmao did you expect them to seize the mines as soon as they took power, when the imperialists are already threatening war ?
fucking glowing moron, using marxist rhetoric incorrectly just to shit on any real force struggling against imperialism
No.583872
>>583795>>583705Seconding for more info, who was the more pro West candidate in the last election?
I remember a lot of anger and skepticism on Twitter over the election results but don't have a sense of how the different candidates were positioned geopolitically speaking
Nigeria overturning its government and becoming the next aes state after its people reject a colonial motivated war waged by an unpopular bourgeois president is obviously the best case scenario, but do people here have any fingers on the pulse of the local population other than skimming Twitter comments? Is there a significant organised left to speak of?
No.583873
Since this is the closest to an active Africa thread there is right now.
https://archive.is/ALGwqDozens injured after protesters storm Eritrean festival in Stockholm<Opponents of Eritrean government tore down tents and set cars on fire, with ‘around 100’ people arrestedWestern lapdogs can't contain themselves.
No.583874
>>583871They (I mean, the Nigérien government) already co-own the mines, so why would they seize them?
They need foreign expertise and capital to keep operating them.
So they won't seize anything, the mines will keep operating, but instead of the friends of the former President getting their cut it will be friends of the putschist generals.
France has traded uranium with Niger through something like 12 different regimes since the 1950s.
No.583875
>>583872>Seconding for more info, who was the more pro West candidate in the last election?Pretty sure they all are, but probably Atiku Abubakar (who lost). He's the guy in the middle here. Tinubu (on the left, the current president) was more pro-China but he's neutral. Atiku Abubakar criticized Tinubu's predecessor from the same party for making deals with China.
The candidate who placed third, Peter Obi, is a huge Sinaboo though whose base of supporters was among younger people in Lagos… but he's also a neolib who LARPs as Obama.
I dunno if there's much of a difference. I don't know a lot about the country but it seems like corruption is far and away the no. 1 issue. Politicians are just blazingly crooked and steal everything so nothing gets done. I met a Nigerian mathematician who liked Tinubu's predecessor Bukhari (same party) more than the other guy and I've read he made corruption an issue.
No.583876
>>583874even if we accept that any profits are going to corruption, the gains for africans from the mines are still tiny.
No.583878
>>583877I think you're confusing your Niger coup with your Burkina Faso coup
No.583880
Burkina Faso's new president condemns imperialism, quotes Che Guevara, allies with Nicaragua, Venezuela, Cubahttps://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2023/07/30/burkina-faso-ibrahim-traore-sankara-imperialism/>>583878You're right my trucom friend, NATO needs to get rid of the opportunists in the alliance until only BF is left, then we can all VGH and WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN about their bombing by NATO
No.583881
>>583880>NATO needs to get rid of the opportunists in the allianceNobody is saying that, and if anyone is they should stfu
No.583882
>>583881BF is one of the main instigators and supporters of the alliance, whining about the credentials of other members for socialist purity will only lead to their downfall. The success of BF is the success of socialists, and BF has thrown their lot in with the alliance.
All these people whining about muh both sides, don't make any mistake about their intentions. They are either idiots or shills. The only socialist or even communist faction involved is the Burkinabe junta, so we should rally behind them.
These eternal faggots are whining about Niger, an opportunist member maybe, for not immediately trashing their economy. It's an attack on the anti-imperialist alliance which includes communists. Don't fall for their tricks, they just want NATO to roll in and re-establish the Funko-Pop mines and pick everyone off one by one.
No.583883
>>583877What word precisely?
I guess if they seize the government they seize the shares of the mines owned by the government. It's a good question actually; will foreign power recognize that government? I suppose they will, eventually.
From the point of view of France, they're supporting the democratic guy because he is working with them. But they are certainly happy to support the non-democratic guys when they are working with them. Do you notice the pattern here?
No.583884
>>583882Treating the others of idiots while defending a worldview where you put every countries in two opposite boxes is a bit ironic. Sounds like you're scrambling to reinforce your bias. I bet you never knew Niger existed before all of this.
No.583885
>>583882>These eternal faggots are whining about Niger, an opportunist member maybe, for not immediately trashing their economy.Pretty sure a coup will do that anyways.
No.583886
>>583884It's obviously a schizo or a small child in north america playing militant on the internet, why even waste words?
No.583887
Is eritrea socialist bros?
No.583888
>>583839I'm recovering from psychosis
No.583889
>Nigerian president seeks Senate's approval to send troops to Niger
No.583893
>>583889Am I wrong in thinking that a war in Africa right now could result in widespread revolution? The Nigerian government, for example, is not at all popular currently - labor and left movements are gaining ground. Meanwhile Wagner Group, Guinea, Mali, and Burkina Faso have promised to support Niger if invaded. Anti-colonial sentiment is on the rise throughout West Africa and beyond. Is war against Niger the needed catalyst for a wave of pan-African revolutions? I want to believe
No.583894
>>583893if niger doesnt fold instantly and nigeria get bogged down in an unpopular war on the behalf of its neocolonial master, i can definitely see this happening. Would definitely be the best case scenario if war start.
Even better would be a preventive coup by the nigerian military lmao
but lets try to contain our optimism, they might just get crushed ruthlessly
No.583895
>>583893>>583894It would be hilariously clown shoes if the largest army in Africa just gets BTFO in the opening days of the war by Wagner veterans. I don't think it's all that unlikely either if they get their asses over there now.
No.583897
>>583896Bothsides sisters…
No.583898
>>583897ah yes the retard urge to support the United Kingdom because they have an embassy in Pyongyang
No.583899
>>583896>posting a state department plantwew
This is old news from months ago. BF has always had ties with NK up until 2017 with a resuming of trade this year confirmed back in March.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/burkina-faso-to-resume-diplomatic-relations-with-north-korea/2859013>>583897>muh bothsidistsThis is a good thing actually, and has always been a good thing regarding BF and NK. Fuck you campist pig.
No.583900
>>583895Maybe we could get a Toyota War type scenario, except this time the good guys win.
No.583901
>>583900The virgin Libya versus the Chad drives over the landmines too fast to die
No.583902
Does anyone know how many S-400 Niger has?
No.583903
>>583902Isn't that fairly restricted? I would imagine they probably have S-300s instead
No.583905
>>583904Nice, I've seen that paper before, they opposed mandatory lockdowns and vaxxing in 2021.
No.583906
>>583904>In any case, our people will never accept to take part in an aggression against the brotherly people of Niger. All those who are manipulated by France and who play this dangerous game must know that our people and all the peoples of our region will unite against them in fierce resistance. The Communist Party of Benin solemnly warns Patrice Talon against participating in any aggression against the brotherly people of Niger and other peoples of the sub-region. The African peoples and those of our sub-region are engaged in a fight to the death against the imperialist powers, and in particular against Franco-Africa. All those who oppose this inexorable march will be consigned to the dustbin of history.
>It's now confirmed! "The mood swing of the presidential guard on Wednesday July 26, 2023 turned out to be a full-scale coup d'état in Niger, with the overthrow of President Bazoum. The communiqué issued by the Armed Forces General Staff today, July 27, is the epilogue. Yet another coup d'état. And this, despite the anti-coup "fatwa" pronounced by the recently consecrated New Emperor of ECOWAS, Mohamed Tinubu; despite the "mission" entrusted to the President of Benin, Patrice Talon. As if on cue, the putschists stigmatized the "poor economic and security governance" of the deposed rulers. Yes, a new coup d'état in West Africa, in riposte, in defiance, one would say, to this ECOWAS dictate and all the dangers it may entail for the sovereignty and security of the peoples of the West African sub-region. This situation is also well perceived in the Communiqué d'Etat-major des Armées Nigériennes when it stresses that "Any external military intervention from any source whatsoever, would risk disastrous and uncontrollable consequences for our populations and chaos for our country"
>As said, in the face of this new coup d'état, it's not a question of rejoicing (although that can legitimately be observed) or crying. It's simply a question of recognizing the reality in front of us. These coups d'état are nothing more than the expression of the patriotic convulsions of the people of West Africa, in its French-speaking zone, which is one step behind its English-speaking neighbor. Whatever the future direction of the new putschist rulers and masters of the moment in Niger, patriotic popular motives and pressures are and remain strong. This patriotic wind of Dignity is pushing and will inevitably push all political players in Niger in this direction, at the risk (for those who think they are opposed) of being swept away by History, whatever the will of the colonialist forces of Colonial France, now overtaken by the Awakening of the Peoples. No.583907
>>583906Nice, ultras cope more
No.583908
>>583904If a Western country has a socialist revolution the first order of business will be sending technical assistance in the form of graphic designers to our comrades in Benin.
No.583909
>>583904>>583906This is not the spontaneous revolution of everyone everywhere at the same time, I think mayhaps they are both sides le bad?
No.583910
>>583909fuckj you faggotr hwat do you know
No.583911
>>583892The president of Niger has been kidnapped by military officers who staged a coup. You're a Nigerian Panther commando. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the president of Niger?
>>583895Do we even know if there are any Wagner guys in Niger rn
Or is that just Prigozhin being like "hey coup dudes, we're available… for a price." Because they cost money.
No.583912
>>583635ADVANCED BLACKFACE
No.583915
>>583914The end of the Cold War followed by the advent of multipolarity has revealed some interesting realities about the dynamic between comprador and national bourgeois elements. If nothing else its shown that the distinction between the two is often razor thin, and more a matter of opportunity than anything else. When Western dominance was unchallenged, comprador status was the only path for any bourgeois state in the global south. When it is slipping away, the possibility of asserting their independence greatly increases, and only increases further with each new state that decides to do so. That's likely why we're seeing this domino effect in West Africa, every state that decides to cut ties with the colonizers further emboldens others to follow suit. Though in Chad's case they may just be waiting to see who will come out on top.
No.583917
>>583915>Though in Chad's case they may just be waiting to see who will come out on top.Yeah, Chad is presenting itself as neutral in this matter, not pro-Niger.
No.583918
>>583911>Do we even know if there are any Wagner guys in Niger rn>Or is that just Prigozhin being like "hey coup dudes, we're available… for a price." Because they cost money.It's just spectacle shit because Wagner and the media love each other so. It is a very childish thing to believe special forces and elite units win wars anyways, it is an amercanism borne out of shit movies, airport novels and video games.
No.583921
https://archive.is/oRUGmIt has happened
I repeat, the call for support has happened
according to western analistsNiger’s junta rulers ask for help from Russian group Wagner as it faces military intervention threat according to some analysts we ask lmaoFucking speculative journos
No.583922
>>583919That's it then isn't it? Without Nigeria ECOWAS doesn't have much military strength does it?
No.583923
>>583918Yeah that's true. Guevara proved it himself when his foco bullshit failed miserably in every place it was attempted.
No.583924
>>583922We'll just have to flood Benin and the Ivory Coast with expensive weapons and hope that works
No.583925
>>583923It worked in Cuba. In any case special forces often are used as trainers, like what green berets are doing in Ukraine and Wagner is doing in Mali, and this works well enough for the purpose of getting more competent personnel down the line, which is crucial if you want to win wars.
No.583926
>>583923Tbf in Bolivia it was hampered by the fact that the Bolivian communists refused to cooperate with him.
No.583927
>>583926Guevara also had zero understanding of the 1952 revolution and how that changed the relationship between the Ayamara and Quechua speaking peasants and the Bolivian state, even after the coups
No.583928
Why does it seem like African has no agency? It's all about, West this, Wagner that.
Why are we so quick to exclude that it might simply be yet another manifestation of a thousand year old conflict between nomadic and settled tribes in the Sahel.
No.583929
The West (France specifically) has been using that nomad vs settler conflict to justify their neocolnial pursuits in the Sahel region.
No.583931
>>583928>agencyIf people had as much agency as you think they had propaganda and advertising wouldn't be a thing.
No.583932
>>1562424
Sure, but then again: they have no agency.
(In actual reality, those conflicts of course predate European colonialism by centuries if not more)
Otherwise you're doing a de facto Noble savage fallacy.
No.583933
>>583928It's almost impossible for people to understand first-mover advantage.
>Why can't African states just compete with hemispheric powers with centuries of imperial, colonial and technological development and infrastructure. They must be lazy and backward. No.583934
>>583932Some schizoid imbeciles don't get how neocolonialism work and think Macron has some puppets he makes dance when he wants, while maintaining all terrorist groups are glowops and all local conflicts are fabricated by various western agencies. It's easier to go with that than study at least a little the region and its history.
That being said, there is a case to be made about western support toward various armed groups
and the governments they are fighting, but all the evidence is circumstantial at best.
No.583935
>>583928>wenobody here believe wagner or russia is responsible for the coups retard
>conflict between nomadic and settled tribes in the Sahelthe neolib policies lead to straight up abandon and ransacking on parts of the territory and its population, which ofc drives conflict.
the coups are about actual nationalists getting mad at the corrupt government lining its pocket and licking westoids boots while the army guys dont get paid, and westoid solution to the security problems being bombing the shit out of the people which causes even more terrorism rather than fixing the problem (and it allow them to keep their military bases and keep fucking with the region).
All the instability is also mostly caused in the first place by westoid destroying states and arming djihadists.
That the actual groups forms on tribal lines is irrelevant to what actually cause and drive the conflict
No.583936
>>583865That dosn't mean they aren't sovereign
No.583938
is military action actually going to happen ?
No.583939
>>583938>is military action actually going to happen ????? none of us know we are random image board users not west african members of military and government anon, i can't believe you need to be told this.
No.583940
i know this is very off topic, but i dont know where to find the answer to this question. why did the french may protests fail?
No.583941
>>583938i havent decided yet
>>583939speak for yourself
No.583942
>>583937>(4) Notwithstanding the foregoing provisions of this section:->(a) the President shall not declare a state of war between the Federation and another country except with the sanction of a resolution of both Houses of the National Assembly, sitting in a joint session; and>(b) except with the prior approval of the Senate, no member of the armed forces of the Federation shall be deployed on combat duty outside Nigeria.
<(5) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (4) of this section, the President, in consultation with the National Defence Council, may deploy members of the armed forces of the Federation on a limited combat duty outside Nigeria if he is satisfied that the national security is under imminent threat or danger: <Provided that the President shall, within seven days of actual combat engagement, seek the consent of the Senate and the Senate shall thereafter give or refuse the said consent within 14 days.
>G - National Defence Council >16. The National Defence Council shall comprise the following members –>(a) the President who shall be the Chairman;>(b) the Vice-President who shall be the Deputy Chairman;>(c) the Minister of the Government of the Federation responsible for defence;>(d) the Chief of Defence Staff;>(e) the Chief of Army Staff;>(f) the Chief of Naval Staff;>(g) the Chief of Air Staff; and>(h) such other members as the President may appoint.
>(2) The powers conferred on the President by subsection (1) of this section shall include power to appoint the Chief of Defence staff, the Chief of Army Staff, the Chief of Naval Staff, the Chief of Air Staff and heads of any other branches of the armed forces of the Federation as may be established by an Act of the National Assembly. What "limited combat" is is not defined in the constitution. But the President
can go around the Senate, based on his fees-fees as confirmed by a council he himself appoints.
No.583943
Lolwat
From Chi-Town bagman to ECOWAS chairman: meet the former money launderer leading the push to invade Nigerhttps://thegrayzone.com/2023/08/05/bagman-ecowas-chairman-invade-niger/<Since the overthrow of Niger’s US-friendly government, West African nations of the ECOWAS bloc have threatened an invasion of their neighbor.Before leading the charge for intervention, ECOWAS chair Bola Tinubu spent years laundering millions for heroin dealers in Chicago, and has since been ensnared in numerous corruption scandals.
No.583944
>>583920Not sure I like the minimization of neocolonialism and how important the uranium is to France.
If any economy loses 15% of anything critical to its functioning, that's pretty important. If 15% of a harvest gets wiped out, food prices will skyrocket. And buying the uranium from Canada will cause them to miss out on the superprofits gained from exploiting colonial vassals.
This guy needs to stop being such an illiterate retard or wilfully obscuring the facts.
No.583945
>>583944>Not sure I like the minimization of neocolonialism and how important the uranium is to France.Iirc that guy is a Russia-sympathizing rightoid. He has good videos on the Ukraine war but his other shit is about "wokeness" and how colonialism wasn't that big a deal.
No.583946
>>583940because revolution will never happen in the West before the periphery
No.583949
>>583944Uranium is a small part of the price of nuclear power. It's a rock so you can basically stockpile it (and France has years worth of production stockpiled).
It's basically a non issue.
Because you're all, ahem, "enlightened" marxists your immediate analysis of the situation must be that the conflict is because of the one single operating mine France has there, and not centuries old conflicts between various tribes in Africa.
You only ever see Africans as puppets being manipulated by foreign powers, people with zero agency, who are unable to be in control of their own destiny and history.
So, yes, all of this has to be for this single operating uranium mine, because it fits into the "imperialistic West" vs. "noble savage Africans being exploited".
No.583950
>>583947>more dumbshit posted by libs on twitter In other news, wild bear shits in forrest
No.583951
>>583693It predates the War in Ukraine. The fact is that many see Russia as a symbol of freedom and liberation especially in French dominated West Africa. This is both from the shadow war waged by Wagner against french forces and the Soviet Union's historical support for decolonization
No.583952
>>583947lmao. I almost have to suspect this is a troll by anti-zionists/anti AI people
No.583953
>>583949you're clearly trying to be critical of the narrative, but offer virtually no alternative. I mean, what does tribal conflicts have to do with literal resources and economic domination?
Are we to sweep these all under the rug because you pretend that acknowledging these things is akin to calling Africans "noble savages?" (btw "noble savage" is a term I've only seen given to Native Americans exclusively). take a bath and wash the filthy excrement of chauvinism from your brain.
No.583954
>>583953My point is the conflicts in that region, for centuries, have been along ethnic lines, because nomadic tribes from the North are competing for resources with sedentary tribes from the south of the Sahel.
Under French colonization, those conflicts were subdued because the French occupier made sure to keep peace (through superior firepower) while making sure no one starved.
Now that French has decolonized, the old conflicts are re-appearing, with the differences that now we have arbitrary borders drawn over various countries that did not exist before, and putting in a same democratic system people from various ethnic groups, with widely different demographics, so it's just going to be a series of elections and coups, as the winner-take-all approach of democracy does not work when you mix minority and majority groups.
What I am criticizing is the implicit racial essentialism in this discussion where everyone basically assumes that Africans do not have any agency, and do not have any history beside whatever their relations with the west are.
So, yes, the West is involved, yes rich Gulf countries are involved and funding Jihadi groups, yes Russia is involved through Wagner and China is involved.
But Africans aren't puppets whose life is entirely controlled by those outside forces. They have their own motivations and rational for conflict.
No.583955
In the land of Niger, there is a single source of wealth: this one uranium mine.
It has been STOLEN by the evil French, preventing Niger from developing its own nuclear power industry.
The evil puppet rule of Niger was colluding with the French to let them exploit this mine! But now the nice junta has overthrown the government, they will kick the French out and share the uranium with everyone in the country!
If you believed this simplistic and retarded narrative, congratulations, that's basically the scenario of the WAKANDA movie. Your level of political sophistication is that of a Hollywood writer.
No.583956
>>1563310One has to wonder why they don't reign it in a bit lel. Like, come on, have someone take a look before the post goes live to maybe not say the quiet part aloud so often. I feel like such task, which ChatGPT was outsourcing to data entry farms in Africa, may be delegated to the Twitter hivemind and the "quality" of output measured by "social media sucess". But that seems like such a folly when one can be a few steps short of Hitler in the proper geopolitical context and find mainstream acceptance. Or when the early training can be easily co-opted by small-ish numbers , for lulz, like it tends to happen to every chatbot which learns from the public.
It seem that one was deleted, but it just posted another banger:
https://n.opnxng.com/Terror_Alarm/status/1688176464724688897#m>stole from France No.583958
>>583957Yes, I do. That's what I'm saying.
It's a very accurate portrayal of modern African history told by the greatest minds in Hollywood.
No.583959
>>583956The tweet made me gasp. What the fuck lol.
No.583961
>>583861How then they would mantain a state with no USSR to commerce with?
Walking like a man to an execution by sanctions is how I see it.
No.583963
>>583949What is a small part? Nuclear power is already tremendously expensive, 5% or 15% of a fuck lot isn't nothing.
Furthermore Orano doesn't have one mine in Niger but three. EDF is already bankrupt, paying the political cost of Kazakh uranium or the healthcare and benefits of Canadians workers is non ideal while they could cheaply exploit Nigerian miners and let them die of poisoning while letting the mining waste being blown by the wind.
While I agree that Africans countries have some degree of agency - well at least their national bourgeoisie do - and that neocolonialism doesn't work with puppets on strings imperialism is a very real thing that actually exist and you should be precise in your assessments if you ask people to do the same about history, geopolitics and the motivations of the different players here.
No.583964
>>583961You can just trade with Russia and China instead at this point
No.583966
>>583964Easier said that done.
No.583967
>>583962i like these guys mostly for the insane drip
No.583968
>>583943>>1563272ironic considering the typical rhetoric from LATAM gusanos slanders socialists as narcos
No.583969
>>583963Uranium from Niger represents 20% of French uranium imports.
Uranium itself represents about 5% of the cost of nuclear power.
So uranium from Niger represents 1% of the cost of French nuclear power.
The reason Macron is getting agitated is because he has the neocolonial mindset of civilizing and helping Africa, and he is butthurt that Le Epic Multicultural African Democracy got overthrown.
Niger and more generally the entire Sahel region is a net cost to France and Macron should continue Chirac's policy of getting out instead of fighting Jihadis militias that keep popping up from everywhere with no end.
No.583972
>>583971Thinking maybe it would be Wagner guys, couldn't see the point in paying for basic African infantry and equipment getting moved around in a plane.
No.583973
>>583969>Niger and more generally the entire Sahel region is a net cost to FranceThis is true of all colonial ventures. It is not a net cost to the people and instruments in charge of France even if it is a red line on a graph for the French state
No.583974
>>583969But I mean you realize the total cost of the french nuclear program is in the trillions right? Also what's the cost of not having 20% of your electrical output? What's the cost of not having fissile material for your nuclear weapons? Anyway:
>Fuel costs account for about 28% of a nuclear plant's operating expenses.[51] As of 2013, half the cost of reactor fuel was taken up by enrichment and fabrication, so that the cost of the uranium concentrate raw material was 14 percent of operating costs.[52] Doubling the price of uranium would add about 10% to the cost of electricity produced in existing nuclear plantsOf course the real cost will be higher prices of uranium, and electricity is already very expensive in France so this will be a further blow to the economy and the people. Yeah Sahel is a net cost to France but so is nuclear energy and they're stuck with it for now. Loosing a source of supply
and power in the region is absolutely not a good thing from the pov of the French bourgeoisie. This is not simply the neocolonial mindset, like Putin did not invade ukraine (only) because of an imperial mindset but for real existing geopolitical reasons.
No.583975
>>583974Guys I understand you are marxists, but common, let's not completely ignore how markets work.
France has years of uranium stockpiled. Even if Niger production goes to zero (pro tip: it won't) they will buy more from Kazakhstan, Canada, Australia, etc.
No.583976
As for "source of power in the region", it's a fucking desertic shithole with a population having a demographic boom, currently getting raided from every side by "Jihadis" (who for the most part are simply gangsters, traffickers, slave traders, etc. just taking the Islam banner because it's a bit more glorious).
There is little of value there.
No.583978
>>583976They've got communists. We barely have that.
No.583979
>>583946recommended literature, please?
No.583980
>>583975Yes, markets work like that: prices go up if supply goes down. In addition, Areva/Orano has spent billions to build mining infrastructure to secure a strategic resource for the French government. If it's threatened they won't just shrug it off, it's ridiculous to think so.
No.583981
>>583977>A highly informed source in Niger tells us that the reason why the military moved against Bazoum is that>“he’s corrupt, a pawn of France. Nigerians were fed up with him and his gang. They are in the process of arresting the members of the deposed system, who embezzled public funds, many of whom have taken refuge in foreign embassies.”>The issue of corruption hangs over Niger, a country with one of the world’s most lucrative uranium deposits. The “corruption” that is talked about in Niger is not about petty bribes by government officials, but about an entire structure — developed during French colonial rule — that prevents Niger from establishing sovereignty over its raw materials and over its development.>At the heart of the “corruption” is the so-called joint venture between Niger and France called Société des Mines de l’Aïr (Somaïr), which owns and operates the uranium industry in the country.>Strikingly, 85 percent of Somaïr is owned by France’s Atomic Energy Commission and two French companies, while only 15 percent is owned by Niger’s government.>Niger produces over 5 percent of the world’s uranium, but its uranium is of a very high quality. Half of Niger’s export receipts are from sales of uranium, oil, and gold. One in three lightbulbs in France are powered by uranium from Niger, at the same time as 42 percent of the African country’s population lived below the poverty line. No.583982
>>583980It's also ridiculous to dismiss the huge advantage France gets from the low cost of Nigerien uranium compared to what they would get from other countries, especially first world ones like Canada or Australia. Not only would wages and transport costs be higher, but France doesn't nearly have as much influence in these countries to impose lopsided deals.
No.583983
https://fr.africanews.com/2023/08/07/niger-lallemagne-et-litalie-favorables-a-une-solution-negociee/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=AfricanewsFR&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1691413948It seems like Germany and Italy are calling for negotiations and a peaceful resolution. At least someone in the imperialist camp seems to realize that starting a regional war in one of the most unstable areas in the world is a colossally bad idea.
No.583984
>>583969>Uranium from Niger represents 20% of French uranium imports.only if you dont count the uranium exploited in niger but refined in canada, italy or belgium
>>583975>they will buy more from Kazakhstan, Canada, Australiamost of those are anglo, thats a big loss of sovereignty and a significant increase in cost (you dont think they paid what it was really worth do you ?)
uranium export were half of the state export revenue despite niger owning only 15% !
No.583985
>>583983>someone in the imperialist camp seems to realize that starting a regional war in one of the most unstable areas in the world is a colossally bad idea.I mean france still have quite a few puppets in the region, and going full warmongering retard might loose us the rest very fast
No.583986
>>583954>French occupier made sure to keep peace (through superior firepower) while making sure no one starved.>while making sure no one starved.what the fuck are you talking about retard. colonial occupation forces could never give a shit about the life of the colonized. Destroying local agriculture to export your subsidized grain and proletarianize the population to be exploited by your multinationals isnt quite "making sure no one starved". There are still people starving, but because the supermarkets are full it doesnt count.
>because nomadic tribes from the North are competing for resources with sedentary tribes from the south of the Sahel.>nomadic>competing for resources>with sedentary tribes sounds dumb and made up. I dont doubt there have been some conflicts, but acting like the conflict of today have anything to do with the old ones is pure "mmmh they fight each other because theyre savages".
>Now that French has decolonizedyou fucking retard france officially left decades ago, but never stopped neo colonization.
>the old conflicts are re-appearing, with the differences that now we have arbitrary borders drawn over various countries that did not exist before, and putting in a same democratic system people from various ethnic groups, with widely different demographics, so it's just going to be a series of elections and coups, as the winner-take-all approach of democracy does not work when you mix minority and majority groups.racist projections, most of the tribalism in politics is a direct consequences of the corruption fostered by neo colonialism. And the coups we're seeing are explicitly nationalist in characters, and not tribalists.
>What I am criticizing is the implicit racial essentialism in this discussion where everyone basically assumes that Africans do not have any agency, and do not have any history beside whatever their relations with the west are.how the fuck is the local military couping a western puppet denying africans agency ? its sounds like a pure glowie talking point "talking about neo colonialism is denying africans their agency!", what the fuck, its literally the reverse.
>do not have any history beside whatever their relations with the west areyes, the imperialist relation with the west is the single most important part of their recent history, the ones with massive material effects in the last 100 year and still today. Denying that is pure imperialism apologia.
>yes Russia is involved through Wagner and China is involvedpretending owning all the economical structure of a country, controlling the politics, money and media, of a country to be able to exploit it economically is similar "involvement" to doing regular trading and hiring a few security expert is glowie tier dishonesty.
in short fuck off retard
No.583987
>>583983>one of the most unstable areas*one of the richest areas
Euros know that they need Afrika, but Afrika doesn't need them. France is about to get beaten in a foreign war and all of Afrika is going to be renegotiating every deal with every Euro country. (Germany and Italy see that all the Euros are about to lose because of French arrogance.)
No.583988
Has Joe Biden made a public attempt to pronounce Niger yet?
I really want to know.
No.583990
>>583955Yes that is a retarded narrative. But what similarity is there to the Wakanda movie, other than that its set in Africa? In your quest against retardation you have become retarded as well. A shame.
No.583991
Noticing a big uptick in recent posters trying to talk down on anti-colonialism and slander remaining socialist countries tbh(False pretensions rule + sus IP)
No.583993
>>583987>Euros know that they need Afrika, but Afrika doesn't need themThis has to be the most retarded thing I've read ever, anywhere.
Europe could lose all contact with Africa and not much would happen, but Africa is entirely dependent on the west for basic things such as staple food, medicine, etc.
No.583994
This is why /pol/ is more interesting than this place.
You will have tons of competing narratives and probably one will be correct.
Here it never goes beyond:
>muh noble savage Africans are exploited and corrupted by the evil West
>the entire wealth of the country is concentrated in three uranium mines (only one being operational)
>Africans have zero agency and everything happens TO them
>things will be fine with the coup because the junta are Le Epic Thomas Sankara socialists who will redistribute all the wealth to all the different ethnic groups in Niger, including the ones they fought for centuries (just because)(low effort bait + false pretensions rule)
No.583995
>>583994pol's only narrative will be calling the coup leaders jewish
No.583996
>>583994sorry that we can't come up with amazing analysis like 'hurr durr stupid uyghurs'
France literally still controls like 12 other countries' financial policy and holds the money for them, how is that not colonialism?
No.583997
>>583994>more narrativesThere quite literally is just a single narrative on pol what are you talking about, lmaoo
No.583999
Yeah I‘m getting the strong impression that noble savage is just as much of a dismissive buzzword as woke and uyghur lover. Mr high brow /pol/ poster suggested that the current conflict should be analyzed on the grounds of a tribal conflict like a 18th century anthropologist lol. Also, anyone noticed how when Africans display agency they are infantilized by claiming they don‘t know what they are doing when they do what is in their best interests and go against the West, and when it is pointed out that Africa is in a steep situation of excessive exploitation that cripples its development suddenly it‘s important to recognize that they have agency to reason the situation is purely a result of themselves.
No.584000
>>583994what the fuck are you talking about? why does supporting an explicitly anti-imperialist coup against very clear neocolonial exploitation somehow mean that the juntas are perfect puppy dog communists that are incapable of doing any wrong, and how does it concievably mean they have "no agency"?? we are agreeing with decisive actions they took as free agents operating within harsh parameters. i really do not see where any noble savage implication can reasonably be inferred from any of this.
were primarily non-francophones so were waiting for the trickle of news about new developments to reach us, and we are communists so naturally we see the sudden potential for a big crack in imperial hegemony as a source of hope and optimism.
>riots happening in france<"why do you care, this is just spoiled westoids throwing a temper tantrum!">juntas voicing anti-imperialist goals happen in francafrique <"wow, you think this is good? that means you think theyre african they must be doing this for pure, transcendent reasons and theyre going to be perfect communists"I know its not the same people posting this kind of shit but smug "why do you care?" posters are a scourge
No.584002
>>583996>>583998>>583997>>583996>>583995<biting the bait this hard.you are worse blight on this website than that random /pol/ user, you are killing the website, not them, you reaize that, right?
(possible samefagging) No.584003
Yeah sure, we are the ones denying Africans' agency but if you had actually talked to a West African in your life once about the situations in their countries (which you haven't) you'd listen to non-stop anti-colonial anti-French rants and not some irrelevant tribal crap.
No.584004
>>584002>yuo are killing the website wah wahShut the fuck up make a meta thread on the correct board or contribute to the topic
No.584005
No derailing off thread topic. Offtopic posts will be removed. Bait and flaming or other posts that break rules may result in a ban.
No.584006
>>583993a cut off to aid in africa would result in, at most, 10 years of chaos before things fixed themselves. they have everything they need for autarky, and foreign 'aid' only perpetuates abhorrent and abnormal conditions.
No.584007
>>584006Many people would starve and die, but it wouldn't be much better for the north which would spiral into the worst economic crisis ever seen. Autarky and ten years? Yeah to stabilize the population dying off, not to do well. You can't build a whole industrial base from almost scratch in that time, there's not enough capital accumulated. They would need still mills, machine tool factories, universities churning out engineers, shipyards, an automotive industry, chemical plants producing pesticides, hydropower dams and high tension lines and transformers to power all that etc etc. There's an interdependant relationship between Africa and the rest of the world heavily skewed in de-favor of Africa, in part "thanks" to the aid like you said, and people like Sankara tried to build up the mops in the continent but those kind of initiatives are few and far between.
No.584008
>>584007sorry, i did not mean to say they would achieve autarky in ten years - it is two separate things. ten years would see stabilization, and autarky down the road, provided, of course, a lack of western interference. however with China's help I don't see it being unachievable that a pan-African union should industrialize more rapidly than both China and other nations in the past.
No.584009
>>584006that is the weirdest way of trying to describe the biggest famine in all human history as a positive thing.
No.584010
>>584002<you people ruin every thread with bait faggotry<wa wa wa is this a samefag!!Are you jannies malicious or just fucking dumb?
No.584011
>>584008What China is doing is great but it's still mainly for their interest, they essentially build ports and extractive industries and put train lines between these with a bunch of infrastructure projects in between. What Africa needs is a "Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship, Alliance and Mutual Assistance" between them and the rest of the world, they need huge amounts of help in form of economic assistance, advisors and teachers to build up an interconnected industrial base.
No.584012
>>584009Are you retarded? Do you know what foreign aid goes to? It is not to the farmers
No.584013
>>584009even wsj recognize western "foreign aid" mostly foster corruption and dependence, is often used as a leverage, and funneled to purposes that serve the interest of the giver.
Many states also throw a lot of shit in the "foreign aid" budget, like in france we count in the budgets some migrant holding center in france, our military aid, subsides for expanding our medias reach over there, teaching of the french language, subside for french product and services….
france just cut aid to burkina faso btw
if someone want to dig a bit on french foreign aid:
https://survie.org/themes/francafrique/article/l-aide-publique-au-developpement-3626 No.584014
As apparently this is Africa General now, anyone point me to any non lib analysis of what is going on in Ethiopia rn?
No.584015
>>584013It is also worth mentioning, and sorry that i do every time, that aid works as credit, not as cash as the right and the libs both like to pretend it is. And credit to countries like the USA, UK and France, which produce what? Always, but today only..
Weapons, high tech and indiscriminate ones.
No.584016
>>584009oh and btw, aid is often conditioned on liberalization of the economy, and reducing customs tax, which given the amount of shit they're importing from europe is basically killing the state revenue in exchange for gibs, for the profit of europorkies.
No.584017
>>584013More from the WSJ
>American military commanders were dismayed last month when a clique of top army officers seized power in Niger, the U.S.’s main ally in the fight against Islamist militants in West Africa. What stung perhaps most sharply were televised images of one particular man, Brig. Gen. Moussa Salaou Barmou, among the coup plotters.
>Barmou is a guy the U.S. military has courted for almost 30 years. He is a guy the U.S. sent to Washington, D.C.’s prestigious National Defense University. He is a guy who has invited American officers to his home for dinner. He is a guy in charge of elite forces crucial to stemming the flood of al Qaeda and Islamic State fighters across western Africa. “Brig. Gen. Barmou,” a U.S. defense official said just a few months ago “is the guy.”
>He may still be. In the two weeks since Niger’s coup, Barmou has emerged as the main diplomatic channel between the U.S. and the junta. American officers and diplomats have his number in their cellphones and think he’s their best chance of restoring democracy and preventing a messy regional war that would plunge one of the poorest parts of the world deeper into crisis.
>Barmou sat down in Niamey, Niger’s capital, for two hours on Monday with Victoria Nuland, the acting U.S. deputy secretary of state. The talks have so far proved frustrating. But Nuland, knowing Barmou’s long affinity for the U.S., urged him to broker a deal that would allow Niger and its longtime Western allies to get back to fighting al Qaeda, Islamic State and Boko Haram militants and stop the country from becoming another African outpost for Russia and its paramilitary Wagner Group. “A lot of us who like him are sort of hoping he can help guide this thing to a soft landing,” said retired Air Force Maj. Gen. Mark Hicks, who headed American special-operations forces in Africa from 2017 to 2019 and considers Barmou a close personal friend.[…]
>At times, those professional alliances merged into personal friendships. Barmou once brought a cooked goat to a safe house in Niamey for a dinner with Hicks, then the American special-operations commander, and U.S. Embassy personnel.
>That wasn’t the case with France, Niger’s former colonial power, and in meetings with U.S. counterparts, Barmou freely aired anti-French sentiments. In 2021, he hosted a New Year’s Eve party at his Niamey home, inviting U.S. and British but not French officers, according to a U.S. officer. The officer said Barmou resented France’s practice of conducting its own operations against militant groups without consulting Nigerien commanders. Despite the slow start to talks between the U.S. and the junta, Barmou’s American friends hope he has the political wiggle room and personal inclination to lobby for a solution that keeps Niger in Washington’s orbit. No.584018
>>584014A brief search on yandex
https://yandex.com/search/?text=%22prosperity+party%22+tigrayGave me these two articles that were far more informative than anything google spat out
https://borkena.com/ethiopia-news/Is one thing I found.
No.584019
>>584018Sorry decided midpost that the second link was more informative, and didn't proof read.
There should be plenty of interesting shit in the search I linked.
No.584021
BREAKING NEWSAugust 8,2023
<Niger’s junta rejects a diplomatic visit by regional and UN officials over ‘atmosphere of menace'https://apnews.com/article/niger-coup-victoria-nuland-west-africa-jihadis-4f21ee42f7e87b3747a322709d8d1bbc>NIAMEY, Niger (AP) — Niger’s military junta has refused the latest diplomatic attempt to reinstall the ousted president, rejecting a proposed visit by representatives of the West African regional bloc, the African Union and United Nations on Tuesday, according to a letter seen by The Associated Press.
>The letter cited “evident reasons of security in this atmosphere of menace” against Niger, two weeks after mutinous soldiers overthrew the country’s democratically elected leader. The regional bloc known as ECOWAS had threatened to use military force if the junta didn’t reinstate President Mohamed Bazoum by Sunday, a deadline that was ignored.
>On Monday, acting U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Victoria Nuland met with the coup leaders and said they refused to allow her to meet with Bazoum, whom she described as under “virtual house arrest.” She described the mutinous officers as unreceptive to her appeals to start negotiations and restore constitutional rule.
>“These conversations were extremely frank and at times quite difficult because, again, we are pushing for a negotiated solution. It was not easy to get traction there. They are quite firm in their view of how they want to proceed,” Nuland told reporters on a call from Niamey, Niger’s capital. …August 9, 2023https://nitter.kavin.rocks/BenFRubinstein/status/1689083131763081216
>Founding Declaration of the Council of Resistance for the Republic
>On July 26, 2023, in the early hours of the day, our country, Niger, fell victim to a tragedy orchestrated by those who are supposed to protect it. Indeed, ignominy and betrayal paved the way for the unspeakable actions of the Commander of the Presidential Guard, whose primary duty is to ensure the security of the President of the Republic, His Excellency Bazoum Mohamed.
>Through a series of hostage-takings and various maneuvers, including threats and blackmail, he was able to gather a secondary circle of uniformed supporters with whom they attacked the Republic and its institutions. They justify their intrusion into the political scene with fallacious and grotesque pretexts related to governance and security management.
>This unfortunate episode comes at a time when we note that:
>Political and social stability has been established in Niger thanks to the frank and sincere dialogue that the President of the Republic continuously maintains with all the socio-professional layers of Niger.>The economic and financial situation has greatly improved; the prospects are bright, especially due to the exploitation of our resources, such as the imminent export of our crude oil, the implementation of various structural projects, the influx of foreign investments, etc.
>The security situation has significantly improved due to the implementation of a holistic approach, never contested, which includes firmness (strengthening in number, quality, and operational means of the Security and Defense Forces, recruiting within the Security and Defense Forces on an inclusive basis, members from all segments of the Nigerien population, establishing beneficial partnerships with friendly countries and institutions) and openness towards insurgents who At a time when all indicators are positive, and intoxicated by the power his position as the President's bodyguard affords him, Mr. Tchiani decides to betray his oath and the trust placed in him by attacking the Republic and its institutions.
>Observing the junta's categorical refusal to establish constructive dialogue; Noting the hardline stance adopted by certain members of the CNSP; Witnessing the disgraceful practice of mass manipulation targeting our youth, the use of civilians as militias, and the temptation to call upon mercenaries, war criminals known as Wagner; Observing the mutineers' alignment with populist strategies, reminiscent of the military dictatorships in the sub-region; Witnessing the freedom-suppressing and anti-national dynamics the mutineers are unfolding through daily threats, arbitrary arrests, censorship in both public and private media, blackmail, and violence; Convinced of the need to mobilize all sincere democrats to thwart this ominous project of establishing in Africa, and currently in Niger, a governance model far from any democracy and freedom; WE, Nigeriens, democrats, and patriots, decide, as of this day, August 8, 2023, to create the Council of Resistance for the Republic.>The CRR is a political movement that will work to restore order, constitutional legality, and President Bazoum Mohamed to the fullness of his duties. The CRR calls on the military who respect their oath and the people to put an end to the mutiny and to promptly arrest General Tchiani; The CRR warns that it will use all necessary means to eliminate this treacherous practice of challenging the people's choices by corrupt and irresponsible military personnel. The CRR calls on all well-wishers to spare no effort in restoring legality and republican order
>From now on, the CRR offers its unwavering support to ECOWAS and international partners for the planned intervention to ensure the return to constitutional order in Niger and remains fully available for any useful purpose; Finally, the CRR calls on the Nigerien people to be highly vigilant and to envision the future with complete serenity within the Republic and legality. Done on >August 8, 2023 By His Excellency Mr. State Minister Rhissa Ag Boula Council of Resistance for the Republic No.584024
Interesting article in New Left Review about politics in Niger and describing the pre-coup PNDS regime as a highly ineffective and corrupt one-party state anyways that didn't deal seriously with the opposition (or than sending the police to club them over the head), their inability (along with the West's inability) to deal with the jihadists, and some of the ideological and religious currents bubbling up under the surface like Kemetism:
>The bone of contention between these branches of the state was security policy. Under [former president Mahamadou] Issoufou, Niger opposed the 2011 NATO intervention to dislodge Khadafi, predicting it would destroy Libya and set off a security and migration crisis in the region. But when the prophesy came true, Issoufou decided to seek the help of the West to contain the fallout. There was a rational reason for this. Freshly into power, Issoufou and Bazoum’s party, the PNDS (or Nigerien Party for Democracy and Socialism) had plans for large-scale social spending in health and education. It also intended to replenish the civil service, which had not recruited in years. To carry through this programme, security expenditure had to be minimized, which was achievable only if someone else helped to shoulder the costs.
>On a broader level, relations between the newly elected government and military were rotten from the outset. In July 2011, after just four months in power, Issoufou foiled a coup attempt. One of the alleged plotters, Lt. Ousmane Awal Hambaly – a member of the Presidential Guard – saw his case dismissed and was released in 2012, but was subsequently involved in yet another coup attempt in 2015. At his second trial, he claimed that he had been ‘baited’ by Tchiani, who convinced him to plan the coup along with other military officers. Tchiani had by this time acquired a reputation for cooking up coup plots that he would then defuse, in order to make himself indispensable to his presidential patrons. Whatever the truth of the matter, such coup attempts served to make Issoufou paranoid about the military. According to hard-to-verify anecdotes – the non-existence of investigative journalism means that Niger’s public opinion relies mostly on gossip and rumours – such paranoia got in the way of beefing up the army for the fight against the Jihadists.
>The reign of the PNDS began with good intentions, but was soon beset by serious flaws that made a viable security policy more difficult to achieve down the line. Two, in particular, turned the public against the ruling party. The first was endemic corruption, which had given democracy a bad name in Niger, and which the PNDS had promised to root out … De facto single-party rule was established. The cost was the deep unpopularity of the regime, the weakening of democratic institutions and the law – which were forced to serve partisan goals – and a declining sense of national unity, as people in the west of the country, and more generally in the south, felt they were second-class citizens compared to those in the Tahoua region (fief of the PNDS) and the north. Trust in elections was eroded. If the system of political balance was corrupting, the de facto single-party system was no less so, as well as being oppressive and non-inclusive. Nigeriens called it ‘the Gouri System’, from the Hausa word for ‘wish’, taken from one of President Issoufou’s slogans.
>Thus, by the end of the 2010s, Niger had two pressing problems: unrelenting Jihadist violence, and a diseased democracy unable to deliver true legitimacy to the elected. In this context, the presence of the West looked like an added problem. It was more limited than in Mali, where the French counterterrorism Barkhane force and the UN’s peacekeeping MINUSMA mission operated. Before falling out with Mali’s junta and moving the remnants of Barkhane to Niger in late 2022, the French were active mostly in the north of the country, where they protected uranium mining sites. For their part, the Americans have two bases for the surveillance of the vast wastes of the central Sahara, while European forces offered training and technical assistance. This foreign presence was seen as intrusive, and the PNDS could not sell it to the public because of its own divisive style of rule. In the era of compromise politics, it could have made its case to opposition parties and genuinely independent civil society groupings, and a trusted, independent press could have been engaged. The public could have been swayed through debate. But the PNDS presented any criticism as a threat issuing from a radicalized opposition (PNDS activists called their Lumana counterparts ‘the delinquents’), rather than a legitimate grievance. In any case, the government seemed able simply to ignore popular discontent, since their police forces could deal with it easily enough. The only place where it erupted was Niamey, a city divided half-and-half between locals and migrants which, unlike the capitals of Burkina Faso and Mali, Ouagadougou and Bamako, lacks a unified identity base.
>More grievously, the PNDS lost its bet that the West would help eradicate the Jihadist presence. Had this bet been won, the party would be in power today. But not only did the West fail to help on that front; it became an obstacle to collective security once the putsches in Mali and Burkina Faso brought to power juntas that chose not to rely on it. Prior to these developments, the three countries, together with Chad and Mauritania, were building momentum for the G5 Sahel: a collective security apparatus that would encompass the whole Sahel. Junta-led Mali and Burkina Faso crashed out of it in 2022 and made clear they would not work with Niger on collective security matters as long as Niger partnered with the French. From then on, Niger faced a dilemma, especially since the elite in the Sahel, and in Francophone West Africa more broadly, traditionally tends to scapegoat the French for their own failures, relying on the familiar yet elusive concept of Françafrique. In addition, a more recent ideological brew that combines decolonial radicalism, fringe ideologies like Kemetism (a religious belief that Black Africa is heir to Pharaonic Egypt), and the prickly sovereigntism of the weak, has seeped into the public via social media networks, sometimes from sources in France’s Black community. A Russophilia that was peculiar to Mali, going back to the reign of independence leader Modibo Keita, also percolated in this mixture. And France’s own mistakes, which stemmed from its highly inegalitarian relations with its African partners, poured fuel on the fire.[…]
>In theory, the coup could fix Niger’s two main problems. It could ‘reboot’ its democracy, which had been frozen by the Gouri System, and it could lead to the development of a better security policy. If the PNDS’s trajectory is any indication, the two outcomes are related. But does the junta care about democracy? And what about the West and Nigeria, both of which responded harshly to the putsch, the first suspending all aid, the second threatening war?
>The process of restarting democracy by coup is no extraordinary occurrence in Niger. In fact, it has happened three times in the past, in 1996 (arguably), 1999 and 2010. But now the domestic and international climate is different. Niamey’s putschists are inspired by the examples of Bamako and Ouagadougou, whose juntas have weathered sanctions and stood up to the ‘international community’ and ECOWAS, while barely committing to a return to democratic governance. As in these other countries, the Nigerien junta is currently enjoying the adulation of the public, glad to see the fall of the Gouri System. They may interpret this as a form of legitimization that exempts them from having to return to the democratic process. Meanwhile, the ideological climate pushing toward a rupture with France and the West will also help to set the stage for authoritarianism – even though the West could be criticised for turning a blind eye to the PNDS’s own authoritarian tendencies and abetting them by default. The events in Burkina Faso and Mali indicate that, after a year or so, genuine support for juntas dwindles to the committed ideologues and those who have staked their future on their regime. Others tend to accept them because the material changes to their lives are minimal. If there is still a dearth of political participation, there is also a traditional Sahelian acceptance that this is what military rule looks like. The result is a form of political regression – although democracy as practised under Mali’s Ibrahim Boubakar Keita or Niger’s Gouri System hardly amounted to progress either.
>In all three countries, then, democratic restoration can come only from outside pressure – that of ECOWAS in particular. But in Niger, this pressure got off to a bad start. Because Nigeria was caught off-guard by the putsch, exasperated by the feeling of one coup too many, and under a leader – Bola Tinubu – who is determined to give ECOWAS a truly Nigerian stamp (even though Nigerians know and understand very little about their French-speaking neighbours), its response was severe. It included threats of military intervention along with sanctions such as cutting Niger’s electricity supply, over 70% of which comes from Nigeria. The Niamey putschists, naïve not to expect this backlash, have responded with outrage – recalling ambassadors, breaking off agreements and refusing to receive emissaries.
>If the putschists manage to entrench their rule and maintain their intransigence, declining to reach any compromise with the Nigerians and Westerners, which would inevitably involve a break with the methods of the Malian and Burkinabe juntas, the likely outcome will be the withdrawal of European security and development aid (if not humanitarian funding) and the continuation of ECOWAS sanctions, which are likely to be more damaging for Niger than they were for Mali. The Nigerien population will suffer, but they will take it as one more calamity among many, especially given their proverbial fear of ‘the soldier’. There will then be two unknowns: the attitude of the Americans, who will want to hold on to their desert bases, and that of the Russians, should the junta decide to invite them to Niger in the form of Wagner. Which, given its recent rhetoric, is not impossible.https://newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/rule-by-junta No.584025
>>584023>Sankara's revolution in Burkina Faso failed, despite his good intentions.Not so sure it entirely failed, the masses are currently being armed in Burkina Faso
No.584026
70% of Nigerien exports are gold going to the United Arab Emirates.
But people still talk about that one uranium mine owned by France (about 5% of Nigerien exports) as if it's some sort of huge deal, simply because France is the former colonial power there.
France probably spends more on development aid, security assistance, etc. than they save by buying uranium at presumably a cheap price from Niger.
No.584027
>>584026this has already been addressed in this thread several times
No.584028
>>584025I was talking about Sankara's coup, not the current coup, but even so:
You cannot size power over the masses and subsequently try to gain their support; that is a recipe for failure.
The duty of the vanguard is to guide the masses to seizing state power by fighting along side them and leading them to victory—like what Chairman Mao did against the Japanese Imperialists and the KMT—not by gaining their approval after state power is seized.
Nevertheless, critical support to the fighters against Western imperialism in this coup.
No.584029
>>584028>like what Chairman Mao did against the Japanese Imperialists and the KMTThe CPC would typically set about establishing ties to the peasants after the PLA had already seized an area would they not? How could they do anything to win the support of the peasants while the area was still under KMT or Japanese control?
No.584030
>>584029Yeah but liberating areas and using them as foundations for the new people's state isnt the same as assuming the head of an existing, encompassing bourgeois state bureaucracy like the current junta government is doing
No.584031
>>584020>>584018Thank you anon, appreciated!
No.584032
>>584024A socialdemocrat got paranoid abou the army cutting his head so instead of building forces with his ranks (although is a long run strategy) relied on the west.
Allegedly single party in the civilian branch but not in the army. Damn, I though that liberals at least knew some Mao.
Also for something called "New left review" it reads that it was taken from the WP
No.584033
>>584030I don't think it's so different, it's not as if the PLA would hold a referendum in a Japanese occupied area to see if they had a mandate from the locals to liberate it. In both cases though you have a situation where a monopoly on force in an area is established first, and then trying to win the support of the population comes afterwards. Whether it's the PLA seizing a village from the KMT or a junta taking control of a whole country it's the same thing, just a difference in scale. Not to get into the details of my views on the mechanics of revolution, but I think the general rule for most of them is that consent follows power rather than the other way around. That's not a bad thing, just how things are. I would go so far as to say that it isn't even necessarily less democratic to do this, since a state which establishes itself through force first but wins the support of the people afterwards would necessarily need to represent their interests to a similar degree as a state which does the inverse. What's important is that at the end of it we have a state which represents the interests of the masses, carries out their will, and engages in the tasks necessary to move us towards socialism.
No.584034
>>583596A justified anti-colonial development from a moral perspective . However, pragmatically it will backfire and harm Niger in the long run. That's because this simply opens a new theater for the NATO-Russo-Chinese proxy conflict. Russia and Wagner are not their saviors . The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend. The current situation means that if France's uranium supply is cut off it's up for grabs. Wagner Group are known resource pillagers, having been paid to seize oil fields in Syria, for example. So in addition to the more obvious reason of frustrating and complicating NATO's response to the coup they may also be there to swipe the newly available uranium out from under France's grasp.
The US will inevitably get involved. It has a military base in Niger, ostensibly to conduct counterterrorism operations, but de facto to project power over the region. US intelligence in concert with their French counterparts in the DGSE will doubtlessly foment and support armed opposition to the newly installed junta.
No.584035
The takers are going to keep taking. People seem to forget that Russia was once a colonial power itself
No.584038
>>584036wow this general langley is either actually a simpleton or an unmatched bungler. how many times is he going to say Core Values(tm) before realizing gaetz is running rhetorical circles around him
No.584040
What if it's just a ruse though? What if it's another AUKUS moment where the US has decided France isn't fit to outsource American interests more, so they are trying to boot them out?
No.584041
this may seem offtopic, but do you have any recommended readings on the industrialization of agricultural socialist countries? i would like to know how do backward nations acquire the technological and scientific requirements for industrialization, my ignorance makes it seem like panspermia
No.584043
>>584040There aren't many "interests" in that region since it's mostly arid and facing a population boom.
I think the short version of it is that the West doesn't trust African countries to fight "Al Qaeda" (or ISIS or whatever).
In reality, it's an error of diagnosis since most of those groups aren't really terrorists that are interested in actually hurting people or countries (like actual Arab militant groups). Most of them are just using Islam as a cover or simply as a way to get weapons and funding from rich Arab countries.
So in reality there is no real threat there. The best move for the West would be not to get involved at all, even taking into account realpolitik.
No.584044
>>584043Yes, there are no interests at play at all in the region that's why instead of sending Biden or Blinken personally to Niger they opted to choose Nuland going there. You obviously can see how irrelevant this issue is by the fact that only the US deputy secretary of state has been dispatched!! They obviously share your genius analysis, that's why someone as unimportant as the US second most important diplomat immediately scrambled to get on airforce 1 to get a personal meeting with the leadership of Niger. lol
No.584045
>>584043Retard unworthy of response, shitty bait
No.584046
Looks like its about to go down
No.584047
>>584046Yeah, apparently ECOWAS has begun mobilising
No.584048
>>584047>>584046I'm sorry, but I can't fully understand the situation unless an image with bold big red letters, a red circle and a red arrow pointing at it, is shown.
No.584049
>>584046>>584047So is this happening dare I say,
happening?
No.584051
How do you pronounce Niger?
Is it Knee-jur
Nai-jur
Knee-jer
Nai-jer
Ni-jeer
Ni-juur
No.584052
>>584042thank you. a question about the text, maybe im not fully understanding it (im trying to picture an african nation becoming socialist through expropiation of transnational european assets): how did this untapped wealth generated profit if bourgeois nations refused to trade with the soviet union? autarky?
No.584053
>>584051'you' as personal pronoun, or a generic pronoun?
People in my country seem to say nai-jer.
No.584055
>>584051Knee-Jaer (rhymes with air)
No.584057
>>583608The US collaborated with the previous government on stamping out Al-Qaeda in the area, and if I had to guess probably Boko Haram (ISIS) too. Not the worst motivation for sticking around. Might be able to convince the US to not meddle if some guarantees on anti-terror collaboration are given. France is another story.
No.584059
>>584057>Not the worst motivation for sticking around.lmao
No.584060
https://kenopalo.substack.com/p/putting-the-recent-coups-in-the-sahel>Complacent local elites have principally focused on ascending to power and dominating networks funded by resource rents, illicit trade, and foreign aid.> Their foreign security/development partners have mainly been interested in stemming the flows of migrants, accessing natural resources, fighting jihadist (…), and maintaining overall geopolitical influence in the region.> Democracy and economic development have mostly been subordinated to these larger objectives, and often get abandoned whenever there is a conflict over means towards the other goals
>Those who dismiss Traoré’s message as the empty rants of a misguided tyrant cosplaying Sankara but in reality carrying water for Putin/Prigozhin do so at their own peril. He and his fellow coup leaders in Mali and Guinea may be deeply flawed messengers, but their message on the region’s century-long unquenched thirst for real self-determination has legsFor as much as a i sharted on national developmentalists, these coups are objectively a good thing because it might lead to greater political awareness among the populace and destroy the West-funded patronage networks. In fact, the EU might learn one thing or two from the African putschists about sovereignity from America
No.584061
>>584060NGL, Approaching this with a degree of cautious optimism.
On one hand, getting rid of French Colonialism is all well and good, but it doesn't mean much if there isn't a socialist government to take over the reigns in the aftermath.
Then again, there were African Socialist Nations who did deals with American companies in order to help develop their own nations- same might be said in doing business with that of the Russians.
Overall, they've got us going in the first half, ngl.
No.584062
>>584057do you actually believe that those are the reasons the US is investing resources in west africa in general and the sahel in particular?
No.584063
>>584062No you're right, it's because of muh imperialism, that's why they've done literally nothing with the troops there since the coup. They care so much that they just did nothing to stop the government change. That makes total sense you're right.
No.584064
>Western Imperialism backed by global US hegemony is the status quo. Preserving this status is the main purpose of their foreign policy.
>Western Imperialism backed by global US hegemony is the status quo. Preserving this status is the main purpose of their foreign policy.
>Western Imperialism backed by global US hegemony is the status quo. Preserving this status is the main purpose of their foreign policy.
>Western Imperialism backed by global US hegemony is the status quo. Preserving this status is the main purpose of their foreign policy.
>Western Imperialism backed by global US hegemony is the status quo. Preserving this status is the main purpose of their foreign policy.
>Western Imperialism backed by global U… *bell rings*
No.584065
>>584063>just use 1100 strong contingent>scattered across some six bases>on another continentThis isn't fucking ArmA 3. This isn't Altis and Stratis. You act out, you are going to die.
No.584066
>>584051say kneejerk in a bad french impersonation
No.584067
US is there because "muh Al Qaeda".
France is there because "muh African democracy".
Meanwhile China and Arab countries are there doing business and Russia is just looking for aligned nations to secure votes in the UN (which they don't really need anyway since they're a permanent member of the UNSC).
No.584069
>>584058This pic goes hard.
May I screenshot it?
No.584070
>>584069>asking permission anon you are on an imageboard, just fucking take it
No.584071
>>584070That would be rude, sir.
No.584072
>>584067Russia is looking to weaken its geopolitical rivals and to secure defense contracts, UN votes are just a bonus
No.584074
>>584073ECOWAS gusanos approved a military operation to keep the neocolonial order with possible backing of France and US. My take is that they're gambling on the Nigerien government to be fragile enough to give up in face of the threat, because a full on conflict would possibly involve Burkina and Mali while Nigeria is unwilling to involve too many troops (a conflict between Niger and Nigeria would resemble a civil war), and could generally prove completely catastrophic for the region.
No.584075
one of the biggest issues with /leftypol/ becoming more ubiquitously M-L or M-L adjacent over the years, especially after oldBO's spergout is that it used to be taken for granted that somewhere like syria in 2017 was obviously the target of US imperialism and the disagreement was over whether or not the YPG's material support from the US would necessarily serve US imperial ends. now it seems like just recognizing the obvious fact of US imperial & euro neocolonial hegemony in africa is somehow a "Z" or "tankie" or whatever position to hold because now we have actual radlibs that filled in where there used to be leftcoms and orthodox marxists etc
No.584076
>>584075with each passing day oldBO has been vindicated.
No.584077
>>584075>taken for granted that somewhere like syria in 2017 was obviously the target of US imperialismWhat? No, that's why oldBO had their spergout.
No.584078
>>584074starting a war would be a massive mistake, they'd risk getting coup, how do they expect to tell their population and army to ally with the colonisers against countries that broke their chains, if the governments of ecowas are smart enough they'll back down, Nigeria already started
No.584079
>>584075Tell me which de facto states are fighting NATO countries right now. List them and I will tell you if you have left one ;)
No.584080
>>584075>now it seems like just recognizing the obvious fact of US imperial & euro neocolonial hegemony in africa is somehow a "Z" or "tankie" Ok man, keep pretending that's why you get called a zigger, for acknowledging US imperialism exists.
No.584081
>>584080We literally have people arguing in this thread that France and the US are just benign forces hunting al quaida terrorists.
No.584082
>>584075people here haven't even read Marx and you expect them to have worthwhile material analyses of global politics?
No.584083
https://korybko.substack.com/p/nigers-ousted-leader-initially-promisedinteresting perspective from a russian guy that claims that after mali and burkina had their coups, france (and usa) likely pushed niger to make deals and give jihadists in the area a safe haven to encourage them to go fuck with the new juntas instead.
No.584084
>>584080lol im more likely to be called a both-sider than anything but there are genuinely people in /ukraine/ and this thread who take a state's nominal foreign policy at face value, assume that investment & development is a straightforward process divorced from geopolitical considerations, and act like talking about the enormous role of US imperialism & its subsidiaries is hyperbolic at best if not outright schizophrenic. you see this when you point out something like, hey seems like the National Endowment for Democracy becomes active in funding NGOs right before theres a regime change installing a more west-friendly government, and they say "let me guess the CIA pulls all the strings all over the world! heil putin right?" or somewhere on that spectrum of smugly dismissing the demonstrable reality of imperialism
>>584076oldBO was a schizo who didnt permit the critical aspect of critical support even when it was obviously measured and in good faith, the mods now are overall more strict & involved than he & his team ever were, but the mods now are far more consistent. oldBO might have considered cucktin-posting for example to be de facto undermining the russian cause
No.584085
>>584078>Nigeria already startedAren't Nigerians and Nigerien the same people? Someone correct me if I'm wrong. They're only two separate countries because of colonial division. It would make sense that Nigerians wouldn't be keen on going to war against their own people.
No.584086
>>584085> It would make sense that Nigerians wouldn't be keen on going to war against their own people.Very naive way of thinking this is how people act and think. Do you not remember… the million examples that show the contrary?
No.584087
>>584086Well, for the equivalent of a civil war, there has to be a pretty damn good rallying cry to rally around. Something tells me the rallying cry of "we must stop the anti-colonial coup" isn't a very effective one.
No.584088
>>584087>Something tells me the rallying cry of "we must stop the anti-colonial coup" isn't a very effective one.They're already framing it as about protecting liberal democracy and trying to put a stop to coups as a means of affecting a transition of power in African politics. I think this last part will probably find some purchase, since I think a lot of Africans feel they won't be successful as countries until they can build functioning political institutions. From that angle many people may support the intervention on the grounds that these types of coups can no longer be tolerated if Africa is to make real progress.
No.584089
>>584087>>584085they are not the same people. there are shared ethnic groups (primarily hausa and fula), but those arent homogenous themselves, and the divide between anglophone and francophone west african countries is particulary strong even within ethnic groups. the akan being split between ghana and ivory coast is a good example. ethnic identity is important but circumstantial, in the case of nigeria/niger and ghana/ivory coast, peoples sympathies towards their nominal ethnic cousins tend to be less pronounced for a variety of reasons, especially language and orientation towards different metropoles. but its true that nigerian hausa have more than average cross border sympathies due to a lesser degree of colonial integration/formerly being centers of stronger historical sahelian empires that are now relatively underdeveloped compared to their coastal forest counterparts to the south. fulani in particular have an unusually strong sense of pan-national ethnic identification all throughout west africa, to the extent that they are often considered a dangerous fifth pillar for being fairly insular, maintaining their nomadic and ritual traditions, and having "split loyalty" between their host states and their ethnocultural group.
but youre not entirely wrong in a broader sense that africans are unsurprisingly very familiar with pan-african ideas, and opinions vary from cynically considering it idealism detached from national realities to taking it for granted as obviously desirable, usually falling somewhere inbetween. but the average vaguely pan-african impulse popular among certain groups, combined with widespread dissatisfaction with foreign intervention while the national situation is still a massive fucking mess, will absolutely cause a large degree of discontent in the case of war. but there are a lot of fault lines in play and theres no way to know which would come to the fore in this hypothetical.
tl;dr yes and no, its complicated
No.584090
>>584065So if they're useless, why are they there?
No.584091
>>584090just off the top of my head in no particular order:
1. power projection
2. implicit threat of escalation if assets in country are targeted
3. bases of intelligence
4. staging grounds for covert ops (most actual military work done by the US these days is under the radar JSOC stuff done in collaboration with local proxies/aligned interests
5. depending on the specific circumstances, training local officers & police
No.584094
>>583750Can we stop huffing copium and actually engage with this seriously?
No.584095
>>584094I had a medium post responding to that ECOfrog doompost but then again, why a paper tiger like that deserves some lines of text?
https://archive.is/7PkUP>Chiefs of staff from West African Ecowas bloc countries were set to attend a meeting on Saturday in Ghana’s capital Accra, regional military sources had said on Friday.>But they later said that it had been suspended indefinitely for “technical reasons”.>The last-minute cancellation came as thousands of coup supporters rallied near a French military base in Niger on Friday.Not even good as goons lmao
No.584096
>>584082How much Marx do you need to have read? I've read everything that isn't Capital, Gundrisse, or all the various letters
No.584097
>>584075>now it seems like just recognizing the obvious fact of US imperial & euro neocolonial hegemony in africa is somehow a "Z" or "tankie" or whatever position to hold because now we have actual radlibs that filled in where there used to be leftcoms and orthodox marxists etc1. In relation the YPG accepting USaid, we've seen that they've done little to actually become the US's puppets- with the AANES being more in line with Assad's policy and continuing to fight a NATO backed member. China has accepted trade and arms deals with Saudi Arabia- a country that is committing acts of ethnic cleansing on the Yemeni people- yet I doubt we'd be so quick to accuse them of imperialism either.
Problem is both China and the AANES engage in realpolitik in order to survive. Their policies athough far from ideal are at least understandable, even if they are worthy of criticism.
2. Recognising US and Euro imperialism isn't "tankie" or "Z" posting- it's the excuses that so-called MLs make for Russian Imperialism, War Crimes and chugging Russian propaganda by the ton. It's the fact that you get called a NATOid or Glowie because other MLs (particularly bloodgasm here) criticise the Russian government.
Criticise the Russian government for persecuting LGBTQ rights?
>NATOid! Criticise the Russian government for their treatment of the Sami people or the fact that they straight up admit to perpetuating Russian irredentism?
>GlowiePutin himself expressed anti-communist beliefs and shit-talked Lenin. And although criticism of Lenin is justified- why should we tolerate his bullshit?
>B-but he opposes NATOAs does the YPG, yet you're quick to label them stooges for US imperialism, even though the AANES makes similar trade and military agreements with Russia. That's not even getting into the fact that Xi has openly praised Henry Kissinger.
The reason why Z posters are criticized is not just due to their apologia for the Russian federation, but their outright hypocrisy and refusal to give other tendencies that aren't theres the benefit of the doubt- and the only way they respond to such criticism is just screeching homophobia, Russian propaganda and putting their head in the sand and strawmanning their opponents.
They're fucking insufferable and Im tired of this board pretending that they're not. And this is coming from flag-related.
tl;dr you don't have to deep throat Russian propaganda to be anti-nato/US.
No.584098
>>584097i agree with you on literally every single point, which is probably why like i said im more likely to be considered a both-sider than anything. the (you) youre referring to is not me. doesnt change the fact that there are frequent posts on here that amount to "lol ok sure, food aid [as part of a deal premised on the IMF restructing of the economy] is imperialism? take your meds", and they hide behind the fact that we have a surge in essentially online war-watcher football hooligans in the /ukraine/ thread saying depraved shit and then moving goalposts to a halfway principled multipolarism when someone says that revelling in gore is weird. idk if the anfem flag is sincere or not but my entire point is there used to be more anons on /leftypol/ that were for lack of a better phrasing willing to put equal emphasis on both the critical and support aspects of critical support, e.g. assad is a goofy opportunist and his government is the bastard child of french installed alawite sectarianism, but they are also under assault by a bloodthirsty imperialist seige that wants to turn them into a libyan style slave market so its easy arithmetic as far as how to read the news. and of course when we talk about critical support were mostly talking about the way we read the news and how we talk to people about it
pretty sure we are on the same page
No.584099
>>584097>That's not even getting into the fact that Xi has openly praised Henry Kissinger.Don't get it, why not butter up the guy who sent all the burger factories to Chyna?
Being utterly hostile to disgusting war criminals would mean cutting off all contact to the burgerian regime after all.
No.584100
>>584090Counter-insurgency ops, duh.
No.584101
>>584098>pretty sure we're on the same pageWell given the response, I agree.
No.584102
>>584101to be clear, yes i am the same poster you were originally responding to, i was just clarifying my original position
No.584104
>>584096Oh yeah? You're read the Mathematical Manuscripts??
No.584105
>>584097<Oh my god, can you imagine the wheels of history being moved by the material circumstances , instead of the purity of western left? <No! Stop it! no more history! Not on THESE TERMS!! Realpolitik for me but not for thee. Says the leftist completely uninvolved and powerless in the developments ,as they triangulate the perfect fit for their… *moral* support.
No.584106
>>584099>Don't get it, why not butter up the guy who sent all the burger factories to Chyna?This is the same guy who
>was involved with the bombing of Cambodia during the Vietnam War>Had a hand in the 1973 Chilean military coup (which China also recognised as legitimate), >Had a hand in orchestrating U.S. support for Pakistan during the Bangladesh Liberation War despite a genocide being perpetrated by Pakistan.If you want to talk about China playing realpolitik- then you'd have to recognize that the AANES is doing the same thing and quit parroting "uhm ackshually they're tools for US imperialism".
Furthermore, last year In May 2022, Kissinger advocated for a diplomatic settlement that would restore the status quo ante bellum, effectively ceding Crimea and parts of Donbas to Russian control at the world Economic Forum.
Are we all of a sudden going to praise Kissinger for being "le ebin wholesome 100 based multipolarista?"
Hell even Chomsky mentioned at length similar views to Z-posters in relation to NATO aggression- and yet he's still called a "lib." Is this to suggest that Chomsky, like any other leftist theorist, is exempt from criticism? Of course not, but he lives rent free in people's heads because he didn't like the soviet union and doesn't dickride it like others on this board- it boils down to the pettiest of arguments and trying to fit in and not be "a western leftist".
Do you see my point here, anon? The Z-posters of /ukraine/ are more of a collection of crude campists than actual principled anti-imperialists. If they were serious about anti-imperialism they'd be more willing to keep an eye and advocate for the independence of the Seperatist Republics as opposed to cheering on Russia. They care more for the aesthetics of anti-imperialism via anti-americanism then actually understanding the interlinking forces of global capitalism at play and how the international bourgoisie profits from said imperialism.
>Being utterly hostile to disgusting war criminals would mean cutting off all contact to the burgerian regime after all.Again, I can understand realpolitik, but my point stems from calling out the Z-posters hypocrisy.
>>584103>don't criticise the UK >Don't criticise Australia >Don't criticise Indonesia <conveniently forget about Ruthless criticism of all that existsSurely you can't be this naieve into thinking that just because the US collapses capitalism will collapse with it?
If NATO does fall, which im sure we can all agree is a good thing, that doesn't garuntee that other capitalist nations won't enforce their own hegemony. The Russian state for instance seems to be guided by a Duginite Russian irredentism- this is far from anything remotely progressive.
And what's worse is when you point out the Russian governments reactionary social politics you're then crticised for being a NATO simp.
Like yeah fuck me, why should I, a trans-woman, not express support for NATO who guises their imperialism under the LGBTQ flag and simultaneously Russia who guises their reactionary politics as "anti-imperialism".
>b-but the wheels of history and muh material conditionsAre no guarantee for the rise of socialism which will finally be able to end imperialism. Again, see pic related here.
>>584061Ireland had its own decolonial movement- yet Ireland is now a haven for CEOs and although being progressive IN COMPARISON with other European nation, it still has a national bourgoise which is still willing to materially support the UK which to this day still occupies Ireland.
Greece also has a similar flaw, because in spite of it gaining independence from the Ottomans and the UK, it too was used as a stooge for US imperialism.
Russia is an far right wing oligarchic nation-state that practices irredentism- while it certainly has a hand in ending French colonialism and mitigating western hegemony, it's not bringing about the overall rise of socialism. This will only continue capitalist exploitation, imperialism and reactionary politics, only it won't be the US doing it. If we're actually serious about being principled anti-imperialists, we won't fall for the campist bullshit and make excuses for reactionary regimes.
If you want to talk about realpolitik- then hey, all good. That's understandable, but don't fool yourselves into thinking Russia is an overall progressive force because its fighting NATO. Such progress will only be determined AFTER the fact and how Russia progresses from then- but owing to them being a far right wing oligarchy, you'll forgive me if I don't enthusiastically chant "harden your heart Putin".
I'd argue the only force that is at least deserving of an element of critical support in ending US hegemony would be China, but that's mostly because they're guided by a communist party.
>>584105>Says the leftist completely uninvolved and powerless in the developments ,as they triangulate the perfect fit for their… *moral* support.<pot calling the kettle blackWe may as well then shut down the /ukraine/ thread considering neither of us has any power to influence the war.
If you bothered to actually read my point- the point is calling out the hypocrisy of people justifying realpolitik for their tendency and ONLY their tendency.
But /leftypol/ not bothering to read and just strawmanning their opponents arguments is nothing new.
No.584107
>>584106I don't know what strawmen you're erecting and knocking down, and I don't care.
>independence of the Seperatist Republics as opposed to cheering on RussiaThis is a shit play.
Refrain from saying "principled" in my direction again, "principled anti-imperialism" is an oxymoron. I fucking tire of dumb assholes eager to advertise how much ideologically pure they are than me. This "competition" has no prizes.
No.584108
>>584106Why would people want to signal that they are not western leftists, is it shameful or embarrassing to hold those sorts of positions?
If so might there be a reason for this?
No.584110
>>584107>Refrain from saying "principled" in my direction again, "principled anti-imperialism" is an oxymoron.Campist Cope.
>I fucking tire of dumb assholes eager to advertise how much ideologically pure they are than me. This "competition" has no prizes.That's a fancy of saying "I have no principles."
But by all means continue to ignore me while having more meltdowns over bloodgasm. >>584108In what way? "Western Leftists" is often used as more of a pejorative as opposed to more of a geographical/political lens.
Again, kicking France out of Africa is good, but the question will be wether they become an actual socialist country (tendency means little to me) or will they become more akin to Ireland and still uphold global capitalism? This will be the deciding factor.
Do we take the path of short term victories or long-term successes? The answer should be clear.
No.584111
>>584110It's been an ongoing background joke here that tankies have no principles.
This is an honour.
The young leader of Burkina Faso who has built a lot of respect in West Africa is quoting Sankara and Che, an obviously promising development.
No.584112
>>584111>posts vid of Bane, a mercenary who was going to bomb gotham while giving them a false hope of being betterLook we can all agree if it wasn't for this fact, Bane would be based, but surely you can do better.
>It's been an ongoing background joke here that tankies have no principles.This is an honour.
<Im aware i have no principles, so i'll continue to be act like a joke. Then you'll forgive me if i don't take you seriously. And here I though you weren't going to reply? Unless this is a different tank-anon?
>The young leader of Burkina Faso who has built a lot of respect in West Africa is quoting Sankara and Che, an obviously promising development.and again, we can hope. But just because someone talks the talk doesn't necessarily mean they'll walk the walk.
Gonzalo, Pol Pot and the MagaComs of Infrared quote socialist leaders and theorists yet they're hardly people we'd call principled socialists based on their stances and policies.
Anyone can talk the talk, but it remains a question if Burkina Faso under Ibrahim Traoré will walk the walk.
No.584114
>>584106>Surely you can't be this naieve into thinking that just because the US collapses capitalism will collapse with it?>If NATO does fall, which im sure we can all agree is a good thing, that doesn't garuntee that other capitalist nations won't enforce their own hegemony. The Russian state for instance seems to be guided by a Duginite Russian irredentism- this is far from anything remotely progressive.>m-m-muh hypothetical threatThe current imperialist hegemon is America, therefore the priority is putting an end to their state. When Russia or any other country becomes the imperial hegemon, then we will focus on them. Until then, death to America, nothing else matters.
No.584115
>>584113>What's wrong with you, why include the only successful leftcom revolutionary in with that crowd?Are you trying to insinuate that Im sort of ultra or is this more of you being a bitch because I dare not like Russia?
No.584116
I have no revolutions and I must scream
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No.584117
>>584114>The current imperialist hegemon is America, therefore the priority is putting an end to their state. When Russia or any other country becomes the imperial hegemon, then we will focus on them. Until then, death to America, nothing else matters.Yes Im sure making short term allegiences with reactionary powers won't have any long-term consequences.
I'll conveniently forget about Italy and Greece post WWII. :^)
No.584119
>>584117>m-muh hypothetical threatNobody cares you yankee loser
No.584120
>>584119>can do nothing but strawman my argument and resort to name-calling. >>584118Pol Pot was a CIA agent and committed genocide against the Vietnamese.
Both of you, pic related.
No.584121
>>583600>Britain pulled out of its colonies and went out of its way to avoid politics in them*laughs in Cantonese*
No.584122
>>584116recently the phrase "temporarily embarrassed revolutionary" crossed my mind and Ive been chuckling over it ever since
No.584125
>>584120Pol Pot was not a CIA agent when the Angkar took power and conducted the most successful leftcom revolution in history.
But later when the Vietnamese installed a puppet goverment in Phnom Penh and he transformed into a cambodian muhayiddin to spite his old ideological nemesis.
No.584127
>>584124>but as you've argued so well this is not a disqualification, and sending intellectuals, porkies and other parasites to the countryside to work is good.Haven't argued that whatsoever. But please, keep putting words in my mouth and continue being the unprincipled clown you are.
>>5841231. Never argued that America respects my rights, because owing to their constant transphobic policies I wouldn't support them not to mention- not only that, but as i said, Im fully aware they use human rights talking points to justify imperialism much like Russia uses homophobia to push anti-impeiralism.
2. Im not an American.
3. Russia is a far-right wing oligarchy. Why should I go and throw my hat in with them, especially since they- like other governers in America, would see me killed and have me demonized on the basis of my identity and sexuality?
No.584128
>>584125>Pol Pot is leftcomIs this an attempt to "own the ultras" based on the assumption that you think I am one, or are you being deliberately stupid on purpose?
No.584129
>>584127>I don't like America I just conveniently support their narratives about why all their rivals/enemies are badI get that trans people have a hard time but at the end of the day you guys make up roughly 3% of the global population, you really can't expect everything to hinge on your minority group when the proletariat has much bigger fish to fry
Yes I am a class essentialist, idpol be damned
No.584130
>>584128Why would one need to do that when you're owning yourself in every post.
Try being on topic?
No.584132
>>584130>u-ur owning urselfYou're the one who admitted themselves as someone who shouldn't be taken seriously and can't argue to save their life and can't stomach the fact that other people don't stand for Russia's oligarchic and far right wing bullshit.
>>584129>Documented Russian legislation is "pushing le narrative"https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/24/russia-passes-law-banning-lgbt-propaganda-adultshttps://www.article19.org/data/files/medialibrary/37129/13-06-27-russia-LA.pdfNice solidarity you're showing there "comrade."
>you really can't expect everything to hinge on your minority group when the proletariat has much bigger fish to fryAh right, "my revolution comes last". I should just be complacent when other trans people get brutalised, incarcerated and treated like second class citizens while being falsely labelled as pedos.
>idpol be damnedEven by this boards standards, transhphobia IS IDPOL. This ain't 2017 anymore, lad. Get with the times.
No.584133
ECOWAS status? Is the war actually happening?
No.584135
>>584133Vetoed by the Senate of Nigeria, Burkina Faso and Mali will take it as an act of war.
Coincidentally returning to the founding father comrade Sankara's vision Burkina Faso has been arming the masses to fight boko haram.
To sum, unlikely.
No.584136
>>584106>This will only continue capitalist exploitation, imperialism and reactionary politics, only it won't be the US doing it. Who will be doing it? Are you saying Russia is imperialist?
>don't fool yourselves into thinking Russia is an overall progressive force because its fighting NATOthis sounds like a core issue.
what does progressive mean to you?
>Such progress will only be determined AFTER the fact and how Russia progresses from thenThe same can be said about if Russia potentially becomes imperialist in the future.
>>584110>the question will be wether they become an actual socialist country (tendency means little to me) or will they become more akin to Ireland and still uphold global capitalism? This will be the deciding factor. They could also become independent and capitalist, which would be progressive from a marxist perspective, enabling investment in their own development of productive forces instead of extraction for enriching an imperialist
No.584137
>>584132can all the retarded purity idpol wankers just fuck off and go wank in another thread ? go denounce the evil antigay autocrats somewhere else, we're talking about the sahel liberation here
>Ah right, "my revolution comes last". I should just be complacent when other trans people get brutalised, incarcerated and treated like second class citizens while being falsely labelled as pedos. go cry about it in your lgbt community, this is not a lgbt support group.
>>584110>This will be the deciding factorfor what, your support ? who cares about it ?
>Do we take the path of short term victories or long-term successes? you're not taking any path, you're just shitting on a people struggle to free themselves from neocolonialism because "they're still capitalist in the end"
>>584106>The Russian state for instance seems to be guided by a Duginite Russian irredentismlol what the fuck are you talking about
>don't fool yourselves into thinking Russia is an overall progressive force because its fighting NATOyou're fooling yourself into thinking this is somehow not progressive, frankly i dont see how you can miss that.
>The Z-posters of /ukraine/ are more of a collection of crude campists than actual principled anti-imperialists. there isnt a single discussion place I've encountered that was more "principled anti-imperialists" than leftypol, and its certainly not thanks to the idiots screeching about campism who mostly carry water to nato. "NATO is bad, but all their enemies are equally bad so you have to join your ruling classes in denouncing them!"
you might be principled, but you're no anti imperialist
>They care more for the aesthetics of anti-imperialism via anti-americanism straight glowie talking point, "you're just anti american, nato are the true anti imperialists". Yes, in the current world, anti americanism is anti imperialism.
>advocate for the independence of the Seperatist Republics you mean a widely held opinion for as long as it still had any sense and hope of happening ?
also, lmao at denying chomsky is a lib. Unsurprising given you're apparently even less socialist.
>And what's worse is when you point out the Russian governments reactionary social politics you're then crticised for being a NATO simp. because how the fuck is it relevant to the discussion ? thats like saying "REMINDER IRAN IS A THEOCRACY, THEY BAD", no shit sherlock, go write a column about it in the washington post, we're trying to understand the material forces shaping the world at the dawn of a massive reshuffling of geopolitics, economic and power relations. the social policies of the involved countries are straight up irrelevant.
>If NATO does fall, which im sure we can all agree is a good thing, that doesn't garuntee that other capitalist nations won't enforce their own hegemony. yes it does actually. The hegemony was a product of unique conditions and likely wont ever happen again.
>only force that is at least deserving of an element of critical support in ending US hegemony would be China, lol. fucking ultras are really worthless to any real struggle. russia, iran deserve critical support, china deserve straight up support.
does that mean you cant criticize their policies ? no. But that means when you're discussing geopolitics, you're not suddenly denouncing them for their views on gay sex
No.584139
>>584135See
>>583942Great Man Theory has a self-fulfilling prophecy aspect, and it now depends entirely on how ambitious the Nigerian president is.
No.584140
came across this funny account of the coup
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/how-the-u-s-fumbled-niger-s-coup-and-gave-russia-an-opening/ar-AA1eNIaD>Bazoum fled into the safe room across the hall from his office and phoned aides to say he was confident that U.S.-trained elements of his army would rally to his rescue. >In a twist, some of the best U.S.-trained special forces among Niger’s regular army units were on counterterrorism missions in the distant desert regions of a country twice the size of Texas, with few roads.>The lightly armed units in the capital weren’t in a position to assault the palace and the chain of command broke down. Rank-and-file soldiers said they debated over WhatsApp groups what to do. They received no formal instructions from their commanders, who appeared to be waiting to see which faction had the momentum. Bazoum, who still had full control of his communications in the safe room, phoned international allies and ambassadors in Niger’s embassies in the West. He stressed over phone and video calls that the coup had no basis—it was a personnel dispute and could easily be reversed. His U.S. envoy rushed to let the State Department know what was happening.>Though the U.S. had spent hundreds of millions of dollars transforming Niger into its top military outpost in the Sahara, it didn’t have an ambassador in the country.>Washington also has no ambassador at the African Union or in neighboring Nigeria—or anybody in a special envoy post that it had created to deal with the region’s deterioration. >Bazoum contacted allies in France, which had about 1,500 troops in the country. A decision would have to come from President Emmanuel Macron, who was traveling in the South Pacific, 12 time zones ahead. France’s government declined to comment.>Secretary of State Antony Blinken was in the South Pacific as welllmao so the west narrative is that the coup was purely about personal conflicts, and the only reason it wasnt stopped was because westoids were so arrogant that by chance nobody had the power to order a swift intervention to rescue their puppet ?
and apparently the US is dropping the french like the liability they are in the region by saying "if you let us keep our base we wont intervene"
No.584144
>>584142Please by all means.
The information asymmetry will work to my advantage.
No.584145
>>584144Also I don't care about (you)'s.
In fact, I find idiots replying to me an annoying waste of my time.
Please do
by all means filter me if you find me irritating :) :) :)
No.584146
>>584137You should respond to these criticism with proper theory not with comments that might be misconstrued as bigotry.
>>584132There can be no social justice without economic justice. No true queer emancipation is possible as long as western tendrils keep these countries poor and subservient. The liberation you seem to want would only apply to the a small percentage, only the most privileged class, and maybe not even then. With sovereignty comes development, with development comes education and economic/livelihood security, and with that comes social progress. It is a dialectical process in the sense that it will be developed in conjunction with itself iteratively and non-linearly. The liberation of colonized Africa will mean some setbacks in terms of social justice, but the general trend will be upwards. There is no justice in war, but war might mean liberation, for example.
No.584148
>>584147Nah m8 just clearing the air.
If idiots want to talk to someone they can talk to someone who cares like anfem poster.
No.584149
>>584146Your sign is useless and ignores important context. Tap it all you want.
The better way to deal with bait in a community which doesn't remove it is not to ignore it, nor to take it, but to recognize and starve it. And how this is done depends on context of how a platform's mechanics work, but a common example is the classic "2/10"post. Recognize it, signal what it is to others, dont provide a lead to pull on. Most fishposters fuck up on that third step, misunderstanding what 'bait' is even when they successfully spot it.
No.584150
>>584149Bait and idiots posting is largely indistinguishable.
'Scuse me coming through; Dropping this crosslink off >>1569474
No.584152
>>584151Do we like Mugabe? I mean compare him with someone like Sankara or Lumumba and he just comes off rather lacking
No.584153
>>584152I wouldn't under sell the importance of smashing Rhodesian apartheid. I don't know enough about post-apartheid Zimbabwe to comment on his leadership though. We should at least consider the difficulties of leading the country through sanctions and the collapse of the Soviet bloc.
No.584154
>>584152he was a net good. not exactly an inspiring or remarkable leader, but his flaws are so exaggerated & taken wildly out of context
No.584155
>>584151>the hoodAfricans are not burgers.
No.584156
>>584155thats just the image macro format sir
No.584157
>>584156The original uses "streets". Someone burgerbrained changed it to reflect the HFCS in their DNA.
No.584158
>>584153True. People often neglect than when talking about Vietnam and Best Korea
No.584161
>>584152As a leader, Im not so sure- but apparently he wasn't that great. HOWEVER, smashing apartheid was far from a negative.
Problem is, is that because of his APPARENT less than stellar leadership, you have those "rhodesians never die" douchebags from /k/ shitting up the board, and trying to make the argument that "uhm ackshually RHODESIA was better under apartheid" etc. Of course, anyone with half a braincell would know to take /k/ope with a grain of salt, but still.
No.584162
>>584151>>584152>>584153>>584154>>584159>>584161>Mugabeone of the few world leaders retarded enough to go for an IMF structural adjustment program thinking it would help his people in any way whatsoever
he's great if you think Zelensky and Poroshenko and Yeltsin and Tsipras and Macri and any other neolib are also based leaders
No.584163
>>584162Still better than the apartheid regime led by Ian Smith
No.584167
What do we know about the military capabilities of the nations that will participate if a war were to start? What kind of armies do Niger, Nigeria and all the other ECOWAS nations have?
No.584170
>>584169The fact that they'll kill a bunch of people to overthrow a government with widespread approval is crazy. Anti-multipolaristas will sit on the fence with this one.
No.584174
>>584173Very nice, now do WWI
No.584175
>>584170>The fact that they'll kill a bunch of people to overthrow a government with widespread approval is crazyWhat do you think Russia was doing when they entered in Ukraine?
No.584176
>>584175Hardly relevant? Either way, the Ukrainian government was not popular in east Ukraine. The jnvasion wasn't "good", it was nothing but evil. It was also the logical outcome of the developing situation there and also what the US was working towards. Literally a successful US project.
No.584177
>>584176The Niger government isn't popular in the north and in the east either, coup or Bazoum.
No.584178
>>584174CHAD WW1 Socdems:
>We need to destroy Russia, the most reactionary state in the modern age that even Marx himself relentlessly complained about, in order to ensure the success of socialism worldwideCRINGE Whining Bolsheviks:
<NOOOO THIS IS INTER IMPERIALIST WAR YOU CAN'T FIGHT AGAINST RUSSIA AHHHHHHHH DEMAND PEACE NOWWWW THIS IS INEXCUSABLE STOP THE FIGHTINGGGGG1. Tsarist regime breaks under the pressure of WW1
2. SocDems are proven right but the Soviets ended up in charge in Russia because they avoided all the fighting and were living in exile like cowards
3. Doesn't matter anyways since new revolutionary Russia can now export the revolution worldwide
4. a lot of stuff happens here
5. Communists today bitch about WW1 and engage in revisionist history to try to shame socdems even though they were proven completely 100% correct in retrospect about their assumptions regarding WW1 in regards to how it would destroy the Tsarist regime and would also allow for socialism to flourish and that the war was thus progressive
debate me
No.584179
>>584178Based freikorps bro.
t. sucdem
No.584180
>>584179Everyone always complains about the Freikorps but no one ever mentions that not much later after Rosa was floating in a canal the German government was already actively cooperating with the Soviet military and helping modernize the Red Army and to speed up their industrialization process. Germany was the only country willing to break the embargo to bring the Soviet army up to speed on the latest military and technical developments.
Imagine if Hitler had gone up against peasant farmers using anarkiddie tactics like Makhno's horse infantry rather than the mechanized might of the Red Army.
No.584183
>Capitaine Ibrahim Traoré : « La vraie indépendance, il faut maintenant la conquérir »
>200,790 views Aug 7, 2023 #capitaineibrahimtraoré #faso7 #burkinafaso
>En marge de la cérémonie de sortie de la 22e promotion des élèves-officiers d’active de l’académie militaire Georges-Namoano le 5 août 2023, le Président de la Transition, le Capitaine Ibrahim Traoré a rencontré les forces vives de la région du Centre-Sud.
>🔴 « Aujourd'hui, c'est une date historique, la proclamation de l'indépendance. Mais dans nos discours, on ne cesse de le dire que la vraie indépendance, il faut maintenant la conquérir et je pense que ce combat a commencé », a déclaré le Capitaine Ibrahim Traoré, Président de la Transition.
>➡️ Recevez les infos par SMS en composant sur votre numéro Orange Burkina : *3368#
>#burkinafaso #faso7 #capitaineibrahimtraoré
No.584189
>EKULAKS threaten "d-day"
>thread is literally just posting yt vids
Is anything actually fucking happening or what?
No.584190
>>584189Based Nigerians are seeing their government get better that’s what’s happening.
No.584191
>>584189The yootoob links are mostly current news from regional media organisations
retard>>584188Good catch tankyoo, good coverage especially for a western NGO, but this clip from an indian media covers the sitation better.
No.584192
https://aaprp-intl.org/revolution-in-sahel/Excellent coverage on Coups in West Africa or the Sahel Region by the All African Peoples Revolutionary Party; essentially a communist pan-african organization, click and read for yourself.
These coups (Niger, Mali, Burkina Faso) of West Africa are a positive movement in the direction of organization and revolution even if not exactly those things.
We have a world to win, it seems some here forget that, yes the situation is nuanced and deserves grey analysis, but weigh the positives and negatives here, what pushes and furthers the movement of communism, the direction as of current seems progressive in relation to recent events in West Africa.
Although I do not encourage war, and such bloodshed would developmentally regress the Sahel, I am logically not seeing anything other than conflict as the contradictions are too high: Nations A have all the resources nessecary for societal function, Nations B need said resources for societal function; what happens when Nations B cannot acquire these resources as Nations A refuse to let these resource be acquired… Add in context and it seems Nations A had imperialist policies of historical colonialism and now contemporarily continuing Neo-Colonialism for cheap or close to free resource extraction forced upon them, which allows Nations B society, its infrastructure, welfare state, cheap consumer goods too thrive and Nation B is also able to freely use Nations A Human Labour and extract value from them, and skim off its companies etc…
The contradictions are many, mainly that of exploitation on the global scale, historic or current, one has resources yet can't utilize them; you get the gist, and are negative contradictions, where the interests of the newly formed couped states are different to that of it aggressors, this seems to arise only in conflict.
However there is the positive too, such war could extend the consciousness of the masses of nations either side, a pointless war of resource extraction to serve imperialists (on the side of the ECOWAS bloc) or a war of liberation and a new start for a progressive federation of African States (newly couped west African states).
Thoughts?
No.584193
>>584192 (me)
On a side note: Maybe the statement on consciousness raising is idealistic, how or why after or during war could/can a masses class consciousness turn to a positive direction, does war do this in on of itself due to extremities, or can it also produce reactionary tendencies too.
No.584194
>>584192Tankyoo bookmarked
>>584193In regards to war some hopefully good news breaking from Al Jazeera
Englishh\ttps://youtu.be/KqzyOUSR-M0
The interim president of Niger proposes a three-year transition to civilian rule.
No.584197
>>584190you mean nigeriens right?
No.584198
>>584188Your channel is delivering
https://youtu.be/A1hZNSMzyVY<Niger's junta warns against military intervention, vows return to civilian rule within 3 years #AfNews>“I am convinced that … we will work together to find a way out of the crisis, in the interests of all,” Tchiani said, commenting after his first meeting with a regional delegation seeking to resolve the West African nation’s crisis.Published about an hour ago, so on par or perhaps even slightly ahead of us on the news curve.
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