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I believe the LGBT general should be on the main board, just perhaps without the suggestive OPs. My thoughts are such: I understand why the thread is on siberia, since it avoids the idpol discussion and puts us away from the worst of the homophobes. But this just feels like LGBT people have been quitely hidden away as to not cause drama with the anti-idpol crowd. It's a bit like someone who won't go out with their trans partner or mention the relationship to anyone because they don't want to worry about being stigmatised. There are also a lot of users who do not frequently go on siberia, so having the thread here means it isn't representing all of the queer people using the website, which is what it should be doing. There are at least as many, and almost certainly more, LGBT people who rebound away from the website because of the lack of totally clear representation as there would be socially conservative people who would shake their heads and leave because of it. Lastly, and I understand that this is just my own ideological perspective, and I even sympathis with the anti-idpol stance, but I think that minorities such as LGBT+ people should be targeted for socialist mobilization due to their marginalised positions, and we especially need proletarian queer spaces in order to achieve this. Even if it will cause trouble with a certain crowd, it is only fair to have the LGBT general on the main board.

Thanks for reading. If I could just add an adendum, I'd also like to say that there is a lot of casual misogyny across the website (I am not talking about the virgin threads). It infects people's normal speech. I know I'm sounding slightly like a dreaded SJW, but the subtle and totally unconscious misogyny is very grating. A more obvious part of it are words like 'roastie', but it is almost always much quieter than that. I'm unsure about a solution applicable to this website. Certainly, liberalism has no answer. The only real way is total revolution in society to eradicate unconscious patriarchy. If we really want to go beyond identity politics, we need total egality, and this sort of language and, more dangerously I fear, way of thinking, is not conducive to such egality. I don't like complaining about a problem and not having a solution, but I'm poasting anyway so there you go.

 

The primary reason why the general is on /siberia/ is because it mostly consists of non-political & low effort discussions. Just like the relationship general.

Of course, politics intersecting with LGBT issues is a very common thing, mostly dealing with trans people nowadays. In this case, the specific instances should be posted and discussed in already-existing country threads. E.g. an anti-trans bill in the US should be discussed on /usapol/.

 

>It's a bit like someone who won't go out with their trans partner or mention the relationship to anyone
Such a ridiculous accusation.
>representing all of the queer people using the website, which is what it should be doing
This is an incoherent demand. Desist.
>main board
It feels like this post was made specifically to trigger me.
Jesuchristo
>it is only fair to have the LGBT general on the main board
We didn't make the thread, an anon made the thread. If you want an LGBT+ thread on /leftypol/, do it. Make it political. I'll even personally watch over it (I predict I have some free time this weekend, need to come down a bit)
Can you stop engaging in mythology? It's not planned, it's historically grown. This isn't an american city, it's a european city (or a shithole town would be more apt but you know, metaphors only go so far)
>I don't like complaining about a problem and not having a solution, but I'm poasting anyway so there you go.
Alright, ok
I'm gonna help you out but you need to be a bit more precise and coherent.
While it is by no measure a good post it is still way above par for /meta/.
I give it 3.5 out of 5 stars.

 

>>31347
>…so having the thread here means it isn't representing all of the queer people using the website, which is what it should be doing.

Why should we represent any ideological group though, this is analogical to nationalism, wherein both of the parties upholds an abstract ideal as an absolute, and gives everything in conformity to it.
If your object of affection is 'same sex' as you, then, realize the upcoming stages of the union of love together, but, why does an another person who also is attached to someone who is same sex as him/her should share this abstract group with you, and feel a need to be 'represented', isn't the authentic bond you may call 'love' is special to an one object, then why other 'people' should represent it than its singularity and essence?

 

>If I could just add an adendum, I'd also like to say that there is a lot of casual misogyny across the website
Agreed and action should be taken. I disagree with your main point though.

 

I don't think I'll push this any further because it seems there is no demand for it.
>>31348
LGBT issues are always political.
>>31349
Thanks, I'll wait and see if anybody wants it to be on /leftypol/ though before creating the thread rather than making it just for me.
>>31350
Nationalism is not just an abstract idea. It is a real material thing we have to contend with. LGBT is the same.

 

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>>31347
>the subtle and totally unconscious misogyny grates
<Ah yes, because this is a PC site for reddit and not leftist politically incorrect… oh wait.
Anfem-schizo take your meds and stop making shit up to concern troll and stop shilling your thinly veiled idpol agenda behind wordy diatribe.

 

>>31347
Do not do any of this. This poster is new and retarded.
If you want to improve the queer gen, nuke the drive-by cishet posters who shit up the thread with their petty anxieties. Also, stop banning critical queer posters.

 

As a gay man I disagree completely, in fact, I believe LGBT should be its own board instead

That would give us a just representation and stop hazcel/maupincel homophobic moids the jannies pander to and refuse to ban from shitting up our threads in both main board and siberia

 

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>muh representation
>muh language policing
lmao seriously?

>we need total egality, and this sort of language and, more dangerously I fear, way of thinking, is not conducive to such egality

youre such a stupid fucking lib holy shit. i actually find people who express themselves like that utter morons but youre an idiot too

though surprisingly i actually agree with the overall idea, if only because in theory the main board is held to a higher standard (you may laugh now) while siberia is the shitpost board and theres already a general for every little thing under the sun so why not move the queer thread so we may now call each other fake queers or cis white males pretending to be fags over small disagreements in allegedly communist theory

 

>>31554
incredibly hypocritical to make several posts complaining about trans people and then post this shit. kill yourself

 

>>31554
>As a gay man I disagree completely, in fact, I believe LGBT should be its own board instead
I don't think it would be a good idea right now considering that there don't seem to be enough posters on the LGBT thread to merit an entire board.

 

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There's a reason /isg/ and the war containment generals are on /leftypol/: It's the news addict board.

I feel like once we reach the point where other leftypol-like boards pop up that aren't splinters, they'll just have a /siberia/ board since it's basically sufficient to the purpose of having a /leftypol/ board while being relatively civilized and chill. Also "/[thing]-pol/: [thing] politically incorrect" is just begging for reactionaries.

 

Also LBGTQ+ people existing isn't idpol, so I'm partially assuming this is falseflagging, else really poorly thought out wording.

 

Agree on being more restrictive with misogyny around the site. Disagree with moving the thread. It's low volume and it's mostly just not political. I've tried to bring in queer Marxist theory but there isn't enough volume to keep the discussion afloat.

We need more queers.

 

>>31567
quality over quantity

 

For the record: OP asked in the LGBT general and the response was completely negative.

>>31554
Other posters and myself already told you why this is a bad idea. Go find another website that caters to what you want.


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