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This band seems to have been a pretty big deal in their peak and they even have their own genre of music (digital hardcore), but I don't think I have ever heard anyone making music similar to them, were they an evolutionary dead-end? Why nobody else got successful with digital hardcore?

Also what do you think about them in general?

I personally love these fucks and I've been listening to them since I'm a highschooler which is a long time ago. Very unique band.

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i was thinking of making a thread about this a while ago but seeing this one i might as well post it here.

alec empire is apparently an ultra zionist ancap who does nothing but shill crypto and nfts now. he says that ATR was always anti socialist, anti communist and anti marxist. he also calls the guardian a "communist newspaper"(?)
for whatever reason he has a bunch of indonesian people who reply to him because of his tweets about palestine by calling him a nazi, saying free palestine, posting edits of the israeli flag and more. they're all indonesian, i have absolutely no clue why, but it's only indonesians.
but best of all is that he wants to get rid of speed limits and privatize every street, road and highway, making it so you have to pay crypto for every road you drive on, and this is for the sake of freedom of movement somehow.

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>>11148
i just accidentally stumbled upon all of this a couple of weeks ago all because i had a random thought and was curious if the similarities between the GDR emblem and the ATR logo was intentional or not.

>>11148
Wow I had no idea he is an ancap racist & this makes no sense given their lyrics and videos? I suspect he is rewriting his own past. Maybe he has brain damage from drugs. One of the founders of ATR died of drug overdose, Carl Crack (that name 🙄).

>for whatever reason he has a bunch of indonesian

279 million people.
>but best of all is that he wants to get rid of speed limits
makes perfect sense as long as there is nobody else on the road or near to it (and no other person's property either)…
>and privatize every street
I heard privatizing roads worked out in São Paulo, but these companies are not free to use their toll income in any way they please.

>>11152
>279 million people.
well yeah, but there are even more people outside of indonesia.
the peculiar thing is that every single one of his replies are from indonesians and no one else

>>11146
same

>>11148
what twitter does to a mf

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>>11152
This seems to be Hanin Elias commenting on the Blood in My Eyes video on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dosquRXCNvQ&lc=UgwE2fCPvMsEUA26UMt4AaABAg

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>>11158
a very interesting comment section to say the least

<Anyone can get tortured, anyone can disappear. Isn’t this terror?
<Re-arrange your synapses
<Capitalism — you’re a little fat man in a big expensive car hanging over a ravine here!
<Re-arrange your synapses

> Your suicide attempt glows in the dark…
They were ahead of their time.

>>11148
> they're all indonesian, i have absolutely no clue why, but it's only indonesians.
Maybe SEA is just based af on palestine? vidrel

digital hardcore autist reporting in

the thing about ATR and DH in general in my opinion is that it was too ahead of the curve like a lot of media in the 90s (because we haven't progressed as a culture since then and the future has been canceled (mark_fisher.jpg)). like, you see the exact same thing with how Serial Experiments Lain experienced a huge revival in popularity in the 2010s: it's because the elements were already there of networking technologies leading to a fundamental shift in society that we are still getting a grip on (because everything is accelerating too fast) were already there, and unlike a lot of 90s cyberhype techno-optimist Californian Ideology bullshit, things like Lain and digital hardcore attempted to confront these changes on their own terms.

in the case of DH specifically, there was already a lot of precedent in electronic music for using technology towards subversive ends as comradely objects where the user is engaged in a process of understanding the tech and using it in unintended ways. that's like the entire genesis of jungle music for instance, and that scene was also driven a lot by pirate radio stations where the users weren't just creating new sounds through cut-up sampling but also distributing them without the music industry's involvement.

ATR (back in the day before Alec became a right-wing dipshit) and DH in general pretty much just took all of these pieces and added to it a punk ethos/aesthetic/energy. it gave a (however superficial as punk tends to be) radical aesthetic to all these elements and in my opinion basically exposed what was already there in the electronic music scene: engaging with technology in a DIY kind of way, as a comradely object rather than a consumer commodity, has political significance and is also necessary because these same technologies will be used by fascists to control people. but it was probably both too political, not intellectual enough, and too much at the tail end of the 90s electronic music scene to establish itself as a bigger scene, and you really need to look to find any DH stuff from back then other than like, ATR, The Shizit, Cobra Killer, Christoph de Babalon, EC8OR, Bomb20, etc. like there was actually a lot of DH in the 2000s but it was all through MySpace netlabels so a lot of that has been lost to time. you can still find stuff on the Internet Archive though.

DH as a scene may have died off but it also started to come back in the 2010s with artists like Death Grips and Machine Girl, along with a lot of other less well known stuff even if they don't acknowledge DH as being their direct influences. combining electronic music with the intensity of punk music has absolutely come back and in my opinion it's because what was once a cutting edge political statement of the need to engage with technology as users and producers rather than merely consumers came at a time in the 90s when things like the internet were still a pretty new thing that not a lot of people used. these days this sort of thing speaks directly to the lived experiences of most people and I think that's why infusing electronic music with more of a raw emotional energy/intensity makes sense and appeals to people now.

it's almost difficult to even classify anything as being "digital hardcore" these days because that style has seeped into so much stuff. but aside from Machine Girl and Death Grips, a couple other newer bands I really like that fall into a digital hardcore sorta vibe:

https://lotionmultinationalcorporation.bandcamp.com/ (vid related is a fucking banger)
https://deathinsurance.bandcamp.com/
https://vrtlhvn.bandcamp.com/
https://sweatequitynyc.bandcamp.com/album/i-dont-know-how-to-be-happy

more EBM than breakcore but still digital hardcore esque IMO:
https://filmmaker.bandcamp.com/
https://bodymusick.bandcamp.com/

also D-Trash of course: https://d-trashrecords.bandcamp.com/

>>12903 (me)
hell I will plug L.O.T.I.O.N. again just because they're the best to do it right now and are underrated as hell imo. I think more than any other band that could be called "digital hardcore" these days, they're by far the most in tune with what about digital hardcore was so cutting edge and important because their entire project is basically what I'm describing of the user of a technology making it into comradely object and also a weapon. it's no accident that they're also the most politically radical DH band I've encountered (vid related is literally just them straight up saying to decapitate all cops).

>>12903
I fw death insurance and filmmaker I'll have to check out the rest anon. I'd encourage anyone who likes the music in this thread to check out KFC Murder Chicks, maybe They Are Gutting A Body of Water as well but if you replaced the hardcore with shoegaze.

>>12905
Death Insurance fucking rules. by far one of my favorite newer artists, also her website (https://deathinsurance.online/) is dope as fuck. I wrote a whole blog post about "i'm in your walls"

>>12906 (me)
oops idk why that embedded again

>>12903 (me)
okay also I gotta recommend Cyberplasm (transfem digital hardcore), someone literally just showed me this band and they kick ass

https://cyberplasm.bandcamp.com/


>>12916
Chic Gala is good shit, really like their Kitty On Fire album.



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