Zionist “memorial exhibit” was creation of Justin Bieber and Ariana Grande’s manager:
https://www.instagram.com/p/C8bGlpJt_yT/Should we add every artist managed by Scooter Braun to the BDS list?
>>12731association with Israel being a shortcut to pariah status > big incentive to disassociate yourself, harder for Israel to "normal-wash" themselves. Expand it to Israelis > big incentive for them to stop being cunts domestically. (or to be even cuntier - if that's possible - to the rest of the world, with the same effect of isolating them.)
not having twitter because you're living in Tel Aviv is 2024's answer to all the cool bands refusing to play Jo'burg.
>>12747>>12749I don't think people advocating boycotting every single little thing in the name of "BDS" understand how close-knit and mutual aid-based the Jewish community is. Every time any Jews are cancelled or blacklisted for being "Zionists" nearly the entire Jewish community in the area comes to that person's support.
If we're talking about Montreal, there was a restaurant owned by an Israeli guy that was recently attacked by gunfire over the owner being Israeli. Guess what? The restaurant received a ton of support from locals and the owner claimed on IG that he saw more business the day after than he had any other day running the place.
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/montreal-restaurant-hit-with-projectiles-owner-says-it-s-because-he-is-jewish-1.6933290Or, look at what happened during EuroVision: the Israeli singer received a record number of audience votes. I can tell you most of those were coming from the Jewish community in several places which saw it as their communal duty to support her BECAUSE of all the BDS backlash.
As far as apartheid South Africa goes, it's not like ASA had a huge diaspora population that bought South African grapes and coffee to spite the boycotters. Jews are used to being pariahs, but the difference is Jews are extremely supportive of each other. Religious Jewish communities (even ones that are less orthodox and fundamentalist) function like their own little state-within-a-state.
I say this as someone who lived in a Jewish community for three years and saw the love and warmth the people there provided each other. It's a real shame leftists can't do the same and set up our own communities where we take care of each other.
>>12750Yeah I get that. But boycotts aren't really about damaging the businesses as much as they are about raising awareness.
>>12751I don't equate anti-Zionist with believing all Israelis are nefarious people. That's like saying all Americans are evil people due to the fact no one in America does anything to effectively end American imperialism.
>>12752BDS largely backfires in these instances because it doesn't take into account how Israel's supporters are just as proactive as BDS activists are. Say "boycott Restaurant X because it's owned by an Israeli" and the restaurant will see an influx of customers from the Jewish community the next day who want to support other Jews coming under fire.
>>12753"Awareness" which largely backfires.
>That's like saying all Americans are evil people due to the fact no one in America does anything to effectively end American imperialism.It's interesting how pro-Palestine activists say the same thing about Israelis that Third Worldists and Sakaists say about white people in America. Makes me wonder why they believe Israelis are irredeemable when all other settler peoples are not.
>>12749they can always unfollow and make a token apology. social media is socialization gamified. this sort of thing is just a mechanic.
>>12750forcing jewish communities to choose between a friendly attitude to zionism and general acceptance does not seem to me an unspeakable horror. (but my calculus is that no matter how close knit a community is, internet clout and capitalist social relations always win in the end. lose the world market and israel is bad money after god. your calculus may differ if you think communal ties will win, resulting in actual isolation…)
>>12754jews can't support all jew-owned businesses forever however
reminds of how the taiwense were hoping everyone would just keep buying their fruit after china boycotted them but people forgot about their "plight" the next year
>>12759That's exactly what some BDS activists (not all but some) will say to do. They believe they're helping the Palestinians by alienating anyone who calls themselves Israeli.
Which again, is going to massively backfire given that those Israelis will simply become more reliant on each other and strengthen each other.
The best way to end Zionism is to invite a Jewish family over for dinner IMHO. Show them that Gentiles care about them so they don't have to resort to ultra-nationalism.
>>12760That too. "Anti-wokeness" is becoming anti-Palestinian very quickly for a number of reasons. It doesn't help that so many activists are going overboard and becoming moral fanatics. Because that's definitely how the war will end.
>>12754>Say "boycott Restaurant X because it's owned by an Israeli" and the restaurant will see an influx of customers from the Jewish community the next day who want to support other Jews coming under fire.and the day after? and after that? and the next day?
be strategic, of course, but small businesses are marginally profitable at the best of times…
>>12757let them buy what they want: if they lose Tesco, that's gonna a much bigger financial hit. fundamentally, i don't think israelis will be satisfied without a degree of western approval and cultural exchange - so make such exchanges a minefield, a chance to remember they are hated.
>>12759nah, your signal wouldn't carry far enough (unless one of you is a big social media name already). that's why you go for businesses. let people see you did it to a restaurant, try it to a book fair taking israeli money next, a uni inviting Israeli speakers the day after…
it would, however, be very cringe to make a big deal out of having Israeli friends.
>>12762>Show them that Gentiles care about them so they don't have to resort to ultra-nationalism.lmao. if gentiles being subservient to them appeased them then american jews wouldn't be such duplicitous fifth column but the fact of the matter is that even when jews are completely at ease, protected and firmly enthroned in the upper classes of a country they still go around doing pro-israel shenanigans
>>12763>Taiwanese are small and insignificant compared to Jews, there are more taiwanese than there are jews but clearly you have a pro-jew bias
>>12765>and the day after? and after that? and the next day?By that time the war will be over and no one will care enough to boycott.
>be strategic, of course, but small businesses are marginally profitable at the best of times…Why is being owned by an Israeli justification by itself to boycott and marginalize? Why do all Israelis deserve to be hated, especially when they're living outside of Israel?
>so make such exchanges a minefield, a chance to remember they are hated.Will never happen because, again, you fail to realize how supportive Jews are of each other. Plus Israel has many non-Jewish supporters and once the war is over they'll go right back to investing in Israeli technology and whatnot.
>>12767>if gentiles being subservient to them appeased them then american jews wouldn't be such duplicitous fifth column Oh boy, it's the "Jews control everything" conspiracy again.
>is that even when jews are completely at ease, protected and firmly enthroned in the upper classes of a country they still go around doing pro-israel shenanigans And boycotting restaurants for being owned by Israelis won't fix this problem. The capitalist class doesn't need public opinion to be on their side if they can afford it.
>there are more taiwanese than there are jews but clearly you have a pro-jew biasTaiwanese aren't super pro-active at supporting each other, at least not to the extent Jews are. "An injury to one is an injury to all" is basically Jewish cultural creed at this point.
>>12769>Why is being owned by an Israeli justification by itself to boycott and marginalize?Clout, clout, clout. It's not a game of "deserving", it's a game of casual linking and posturing. See, it's fairly obvious you're here motivated by some pro-Jewish sympathy (which really ought to be decoupled from zionism - as a matter of keeping clout as nothing else - but it's never that easy when you've gotta square social obligations with social signalling, is it?) - that's obvious. me? i'm not here arguing
for Palestine, I'm here to keep social media score, to offer my pick for who'll win the big game. I'm a
media studies guy, and I say Palestine's stealing the show.
>Will never happen because, again, you fail to realize how supportive Jews are of each otheri'm sure all the jews will turn up to the furry convention to show it was a mistake for pro-palestine clout chasers to boycott it for taking misc sponsorship from Elbit…
sadly we'll never see such farce, since such a furcon would never get off the ground.>>12771a comfy just so story. you have your restaurant: i want the universities.
>>12773>Clout, clout, clout. It's not a game of "deserving", it's a game of casual linking and posturing.So anything owned by Israelis has to be boycotted because Israelis merely existing in the world is PR for Israel? How?
>i'm not here arguing for Palestine, I'm here to keep social media score, to offer my pick for who'll win the big game. I'm a media studies guy, and I say Palestine's stealing the show.Well, you will just have to assume that the people boycotting and demanding other people boycott are more dedicated than the people countering the boycotts.
The war will be forced to end at some point and people will forget about Palestinian suffering like they always do. The same people who believe Palestine activism will bring the West to its knees in the long-run were the same blokes who said the protests against the Iraq War would do the same, or who truly believed the Occupy Movement would bring some kind of socialism to America, which it never did.
>i want the universities.Which again, have been pro-Palestine for a long time yet the protests and boycotts do little to nothing. Even the campus encampments are purely performative at this point.
>>12775So we're talking being in a state of total depravity now aren't we?
Why are Israelis the only group of people morally obligated to abandon their identity? You never see leftists demanding all whites leave South Africa despite white South Africans still holding the majority of the country's wealth. You never see leftists demanding Ukrainians stop identifying as "Ukrainian" and start identifying as "Russian" do you?
American leftists will unanimously demand all Jews leave Israel-Palestine yet remain divided on reparations for colonized peoples (Blacks and indigenous) within their own country's borders. Really makes you think.
>>12778>Palestine fully decolonized. They shouldn't be forced to live alongside settlers.On what basis will 7.3 million Israeli Jews living between the river and the sea get up and leave? You're talking about a massive exodus of people what would equate to roughly half the population, not a tiny aristocracy like whites in South Africa or the gusanos in Cuba. And on what basis should all Israelis be punished? Are they too evil to be redeemed through education and struggle?
The only position the international left should have on this conflict is: "end the war, ceasefire now, charge Bibi with crimes against humanity." Anything else is straight LARPing.
>>12774>has to be boycotted here you are again assigning morality.
may be boycotted.
i find it hard to believe your primary objection to being mean to Israelis is that it won't work: i suspect, instead, it's that you don't want people to be mean to Israelis, that you would be uncomfortable even if it did work. (i, on the other hand, am at ease with it even if it only makes them unhappy: that's what social media normally does - but usually to far more sympathetic people…)
>>12777the extreme demands will end when Israel adopts a more rational posture: were Israel to do a Mandela tomorrow, the incentives of the clout game change.
>>12779pop quiz: do you hate the slogan "from the river to the sea"? is that also
unhelpful, also
straight LARPing?
>>12781Being mean to Israelis is both useless and counter-productive. Singling out an entire nationality on the basis that simply existing "normalizes" Palestinian genocide is ridiculous. That's like saying any white people living in South Africa de facto constitutes apartheid and all whites need to be expelled from the country.
>the extreme demands will end when Israel adopts a more rational posture: The rhetoric being used says otherwise. Activists will see any "softer Israel" as an affront to their decolonization goals.
>do you hate the slogan "from the river to the sea"?No because it's a useless slogan. It's like saying: "SUPPORT THE TROOPS."
>>12795idk i suppose being from a repulsive settler state where people have been voting for the same reactionary fuck for the last two decades, where 90% of the population identifies as some sort of rightoid and where the majority of the population agrees with starving gazans may have something to do.
but you're right maybe if we just treat israelis like any other people as they've been treated by the west since their founding they will realize the error in their ways and stop occupying palestinians! any time now
>>12798if you say so, anon (poll from january)
can't say i will be holding my breath for jews to overthrow king bibi and put a leftist in place lmao
specially considering jew youth is even more right wing than the general jew population of the country
>>12796So Israelis are so evil they can’t be redeemed?
Why the exceptionalism?
>>12790>>12794>>12796So you're willing to advocate collective punishment just like Israel does to the Palestinians (interestingly enough) for all Israelis just because you're angered by the most far-right elements of Israeli society?
This is exactly the kind of rhetoric that the so-called "woke left" uses against poor whites who vote for Trump and hold extremely socially reactionary views. White liberals will often times talk about taking federal aid away from the flyover states because "hurr durr they vote Republican". You seem to be no different, tarring every Israeli with the same brush.
>>12802>but there's certainly far more americans that are okay-ish.Doubtful. Even the "good" Americans serve the empire just by being alive if we're going by your standards.
Wanting all Israelis to be punished is lunacy.
>>12817true
#onlyjewishlivesmatter #onlyjewssuffer #rememberthe24millionjewskilled
>>12729And yet rappers keep working with The Alchemist, who's Israeli and has a beat tape entitled "Israeli Salad".
>>12750I'm Jewish and can confirm it's fascinating how Jews are able to maintain tight-knit communities despite having so many internal differences within the group. Goyish leftists can't seem to do this because they build "communities" based on abstract labels rather than being materially interdependent on one other. Everything in Judaism is about action in the material world (to play off of the spiritual world) so it's the material traditions which keep the community together. Leftists seem to think that merely having a label like "queer", "autistic", "anarchist", etc. is enough to make a bunch of people who have nothing else in common a "community" when said "communities" fall apart very quickly.
>>12874>genocide beneficiary friendLiterally could say the same about most westerners.
By this logic, you shouldn't be friends with anyone from the UK, France, India, etc.
>>12872I love how anti-fascism has gone from pragmatic and reasonable:
>"boycott german and italian industry"To outright bullshit:
>"you're not allowed to be friends with a Nazi"the left has lost it's mind and has turned woke, this is why i'm leaving the left
>>12764>>12766Too culturally significant to memory hole.
It’s not like the Palestine protesters in Montreal are demanding all the murals of Leonard Cohen be painted over even though he sang to the IDF in his youth.
>>12942Look I'm not saying they should be forced to go there but aren't Poles just Catholic conversos?
Like it's probably safer there than say the Levant or the Ukraine.
>>12977A large-scale military conflict that will result in hundreds of thousands dead at the hands of Israel and America.
Why the hell do you want a full blown war when Israel will clearly be the victor?
>>12988You’re willing to sacrifice potentially hundreds of thousands of people?
Did you see the revised Gaza death toll?
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