/siberia/ - Off-topic

I think this country is proto Israel and should be dealt as such

>>650605
The ones that aren't urbanites usually have some syncretism going on

>>650607
Like these people

>>650609
Folk religions are heavily intertwined with their ancestral lands and way of life but if you uproot them they quickly become deracinated in a generation or so

>>650610
Have you watched >>650608 these folk regions while being different from mainline Christian sects, aren't that too dissimilar from other rural White or Black Christian populations

>>650609
every country be like
cities, especially the capital, ultra liberal and yet everyone is an ass
sub-urbian areas, hella conservative and all facsists tend to live in there
remote areas or farmlands and other industrial areas, either conservative or has socialist presense

>>650613
>remote areas or farmlands
Conservatives who could easily be convinced to follow Socialism if you don't call it Socialism

Also that belief totally undermines all of the non-normative but still genuine interpretations of religion. It's totally possible to have a non-Thomistic, non-Western Catholicism that is still sincerely Catholic and sincerity Native. If Europeans could take a super specific Middle Eastern cult and marry it to Platonic and Stoic philosophy, Then shouldn't Native syncretistic traditions of Christianity be just as valid.

>>650720
Yeah, now that colonialism is virtually dead missionaries prefer to use 'inculturation' which is basically keeping the aesthetics of the folk and inverting it to Christ like how Catholics did to Christmas and Easter, etc. except for fundamentalist schizos

>>650728
In Brazil, there's a weird phenomenon where many of the natives have converted to Protestant Evangelicalism, making it a central point of their identity.

>>650607
that was always my understanding it that most native churches are highly syncretic. I've said this on the board before but I'm increasingly convinced that syncreticism is basically the default human belief system.

>>650615
sometimes, maybe this is just cuz burgers are basically encouraged to be short-sighted assholes but when I try this I'll get pushback sometimes. What is interesting is you here reasons that aren't just dollar store stalin killed a gajillion people nato brainrot. A lot of ruralites I've met are like Saddam Hussein in the sense that they think class conflict isn't a thing in there small town but still support alot of the economic policies you see in capitalist developmentalist countries and/or the lower stages of some AES countries. One example is that many ruralites ik will wholeheartedly believe city police departments are racist and violent thugs while there local sheriff is an example a good police officer. Its like something about small town life leads to class collaborationist views. Those with a more libertarian inclination will just use the State as a sineater for all evil in the world and often have temporarily embarrassed millionaire syndrome. That being said plenty of ppl are still receptive and lately I don't even bother with hiding my beliefs and just let my nuts hang and call myself a communist. Unsurprisingly rednecks like Bukharin's model of soviet industrialization and are not big fans of Preobrazhensky while showing keen interest in various rural anarchist movements of the past. ofc this is just a blogpost so take all of this with a grain of salt.

>>650751
I get what you mean, but I wouldn't call mistrust of the current Government as being Libertarian

>>650863
I wouldn't either, In the US at least Libertarianism is almost like two different movements in a close coalition(toxic codependence if you want to be uncharitable) than a single ideology. At least as an outsider looking in it seems that libetarians are split into two camps:

>ruralites who are basically the modern descendants of antifederalists who wanted jeffersonian democracy and a agrarian republic of yeoman farmers and craftsmen. Highly mistrustful of government interference in their own life and community but overall fine shit like national parks,protectionism and monoply busting. Big emphasis on democracy as local representation and isolationist sentiments.
>ghoulish chicago school ancaps and randians. basically fash but rich people are there chosen in group instead of a specific religion or ethnicity. utterly depraved ideology for rich pedophiles and people who want to become a rich pedophile.

The first group has actual popular support and a mass base while the second has capital and connections so they kinda need eachother. At least until recently iirc the libertarian party has been taken over by far rightist ancaps called the mises caucus.

>>650720
>>650605
This is what I wish Pagan LARPers would understand, Pagan "religions" weren't religions in the modern sense, they were very specific living traditions that were in a constant state of change. They can't really sustain themselves outside those contexts. Rome ruled most of Europe, the Middle East and North-Africa but never attempted to spread their religion, because it would have been nonsensical idea to them. Rome spread their language and administration and the main idea of gods in the Greco-Roman world was that there were Interpretations and Variations. I recall one Greek author claiming there were three wildly different versions of Zeus in the province where he lived. Thus Celtic, Egyptian, Syrian, Berber and Greek gods were in a constant state of being reinterpreted, mixed with other gods and then reshuffled
Christianity cut through all that bullshit and was massively popular. Its popularity was so widespread that the competition for control wasn't even between Christians and Pagans, but rather among different sects of Christianity. Rome wasn’t even the first nation to institutionalize Christianity. The version we have today is based around the Nicene church and Trinitarian Catholicism but the Germans who sacked and conquered Rome were also Christians, they followed the Arian church

>>650606
That's nonsense, schizo. You can't stay here.

Only 47% of Americans believe in any sort of creator. So the majority is now Agnostic/Atheist. That is an actual fact from objective reality. Of course "a large section" elected Donald Trump because they thought he was actually better for their 99%er lives than a Democratic ticket would be. So of course they don't give a flying fuck about objective reality.
People just believe whatever they want to be true. They can now just ignore facts they don't like and find some "facts" that better match their worldview.

I think all religion is pretty silly to actually follow. Denying yourself things because of these "laws" is hilarious to me.

>>652049
Doug was better in Steve Brule's show.

Also, here's a secret: MOST PEOPLE DONT BELIEVE IN GOD AS A SENTIENT THING!!! THEY BELIEVE IN GOD AS A METAPHOR/PSYCHOSOMATIC EFFECT.

If you listen to how people talk about God in such a vague but personalized way, yet they never make effort to affirm scientific proof for historical events in their precious holy books. They only care about using their religion as a political disciplinary rod.

Ask the average Christian if they know how non-sperm pregnancy can work. They believe that Jesus was born from a virgin maiden. Yet they think that animals and plants being formed from molecular arrangements coming from ooze is blasphemy

>>652704
this book is a good overview of the decline of religiosity

>>652704
>MOST PEOPLE DONT BELIEVE IN GOD AS A SENTIENT THING!!! THEY BELIEVE IN GOD AS A METAPHOR/PSYCHOSOMATIC EFFECT
Speaking from personal experience, I think there's a root thought process behind a lot of people's belief in Christianity in a folk-christianity sense. Even the most positive tend to eventually boil down to, essentially,
>"I believe in God because he's the biggest dog in the yard"
either as an aspirational comforting thing or because of fear of punishment. It's not technically "supposed" to be that way, persay, but the snarl that is Abrahamic theology and how it's chosen to bake itself into various cultures unfortunately kind of funnels things to that point inevitably, Well that or "Because Because, now shut up"

>"I believe in God because he's the biggest dog in the yard"
>either as an aspirational comforting thing or because of fear of punishment. It's not technically "supposed" to be that way, persay, but the snarl that is Abrahamic theology and how it's chosen to bake itself into various cultures unfortunately kind of funnels things to that point inevitably
There's nothing specifically Abrahamic about that. If anything, it's a pagan impulse.

>>650605
>while the overwhelming majority identify as Christian IRL
cucks, the lot of them

>>652807
This is gonna totally help appeal to the majority of the working masses

>>650609
Nah, cities are way more saturated with liberal individualism. I couldn't don't, had to move back to a place with some fucking community.

>>652777
Abrahamic creeds personalize God as some overprotective daddy-husband figure. It's why black women are the biggest suckers for Christianity.

It's not weird at all actually. Most people in America don't talk to their direct relatives let alone members of other ethnicities and our knowledge of each other is mediated (falsified) by mass media

>>653025
But aren't black churchgoers generally more focused on the Jesus aspect rather than the Old Testament 'Lord,' The storm War God who sounds exactly like a war god

>>653095
In a way, I almost feel bad for him. He was never meant to be the God of the entire world, he started as a Tribal god for Iron Age, warlike people. Then, he got tangled up with a popular preacher who spoke in a lot of parables and over time, he’s been interpreted, misinterpreted and then reinterpreted in a million different ways.
Also, I grew up as a Muslim and even among the fiercest preachers, 'Allah' always feels so impersonal. He has a lot in common with the way the Chinese talk about 'Heaven', sort of impersonal moral force, rather than a personal God

>>650605
Good for them. If you are fine with his Dad's homophobia/queerphobia and with the possibility that he may torture your ancestors forever because they were unlucky to have never heard his word, Jesus is… actually a pretty easy God to follow. It is nice to know that most Native Americans are not like Estonians and are not making their lives harder just to "own the settler".

>>653296
many people feel bad for jesus, who also probably didn't exist so it's the logical conclusion

>>653081
christians as a whole mainly just care about jesus

please remember: christianity is literally just judaism fanfiction where god had a son. christianity is to judaism what boruto is to naruto.

>>653301
jesus very likely existed. he was probably just a schizo jewish guy who was convinced his god was his dad because his mom didn't want to admit she had sex with a random dude out of wedlock

>>653224
I'm not a Christian, but I'm definitely not fond of the whole 'Jesus was a hippie' narrative. In the Gospels, Jesus is portrayed as an Apocalyptic Preacher claiming divine authority, not some flower child. There's also a trend for those who argue that Constantine and the Council of Nicaea turned Christianity into a rigid, anti-modern, anti-progressive institution, while claiming that the Gnostics were the 'real' Christians, free-spirited, countercultural libertarian socialists who rejected rules and loved everyone just like they imagine Jesus did

>>653224
wait what was that about estonia
i am fully estonian but never had the chance to connect with my country at all whats wrong with my ancestors

>>653329
It's a bit more complicated than that. By the time of Christ's birth, Judaism had already splintered into six quasi-political and quasi-religious 'sects' Jesus came from a rural messianic movement that was popular among the lower classes, centered around the belief in a Messiah(a warrior-prince figure who would liberate Judea) But either Jesus or his followers took this idea a step further by proclaiming that he would liberate the entire world. His use of parables made his teachings open to interpretation, allowing people to derive almost any meaning they wanted from them

>>650605
>the overwhelming majority identify as Christian IRL
Ya, thats what colonization does. Whats your point?

>>653337
Some fags here do the whole "Le France" safe edgy meme, with with the Baltic states, even though plenty of great Baltic men and women supported and fought for the Soviet Union

>>653341
i mean yeah you are correct but also you arent saying anything that conflicts with what i said

that just means there were SIX jewish fanfictions and only one managed to retain any popularity

islam is literally the same thing. its just judaism but god has a kid or some shit

abrahamic religions are all fucking stupid, but the more splintered you get from judaism the less braincells you have. judaism was already basically fanfiction of it's root religions, so writing more fanfictions based off a fanfiction just leads to absolute garbage

>>653354
Reducing religion and ideology to meme terms is just lame, It's a lot more complicate then that

>>653355
all of these religions are lame as shit. its not the meme terms making them sound lame, they just ARE lame. i have never met an intelligent person who follows any of these faiths.

>>653357
there certainly are intelligent people who do but they rarely follow the orthodoxy even when they do

>>653362
so youre saying the people in those religions that are smart aren't actually following the religion?

you are SO close to realizing that religion has a traumatic hold on people born into it, causing people who fall out of their faith to lay claim to it regardless and simply claim to be "unorthodox" while ignoring the fact that their bible likely says theyre gonna go to hell for doing that

>>653373
no i do get that, but i'm NTA you were responding to though

>>653341
this chart objectively sucks because all of those sects count as messianic judaism, the first roman jewish war was the direct result of military messianism for fuck's sake, and also christianity was objectively NOT based in military messianism either, it was based in a universal messiah, who would guarantee personal salvation and not the collective salvation that the other sects were offering.

>>652704
>They believe that Jesus was born from a virgin maiden. Yet they think that animals and plants being formed from molecular arrangements coming from ooze is blasphemy
you can believe both things are true actually

>>653332
common he was a based guy who literally fought against foreign occupation

>>653332
i once believed this until i actually looked into the case for it, which you should if you're actually curious about the question but it certainly isn't a pressing matter

>>654800
These were the Zealots. The Jesus-cult s seemed to open up to non-Jews as well, as a few Roman soldiers attended Jesus preaching. There was a strange phenomenon where early Christian fathers discouraged Christians from joining the Roman Army, but many Roman soldiers (especially in the lower ranks) had a habit of converting to Christianity. One of the reasons that the Diocletian persecution began was because he was concerned about the growing popularity of Christianity in the Roman army. By Constantine’s time, they were the majority of the Army. Although we would not have had the same version of Christianity, some would have believed that Jesus was a spirt, others that Jesus was God, just very radically different interpretations.

>>651963
It's also worth remembering that a lot of famous Vikings we like Leif Erikson, Cnut the Great, Snorri Sturluson among others were all Christians

Even the Vikings who invaded the British Isles converted to Christianity. As others have said, it was less about pagans versus Christians and more about Christian sects versus other Christian sects. There were basically three sects within the British Isles that were in conflict with each other. There was a general Saxon and late Norse Christianity, a more established Celtic Christian identity and those more aligned with mainline Catholicism that tried to bring the Celtic and Saxon Christians into line. There were Saxons in Kent who were Roman Christian and had been since the early 4th century.

>>654800
He called goyim akin to dogs he was a proto zionist

Thread is polluted with people who's only contact with religion seems to be evangelicalism mostly found in the US, and with a stuborn incuriosity to understand that no, actually, not all religions or sects within thoae religions are the same, and the impact they have in different places and epochs is a testment to that.

>>656137
I hate you Uighurs for making me defend Christianity because of how wrong you are. No, a first century man would have no association with modern Zionism and Jesus did not call the Canaanite woman a bitch and some 2010 atheist claims

>>656133
>There were basically three sects within the British Isles that were in conflict with each other. There was a general Saxon and late Norse Christianity, a more established Celtic Christian identity and those more aligned with mainline Catholicism that tried to bring the Celtic and Saxon Christians into line. There were Saxons in Kent who were Roman Christian and had been since the early 4th century.
That sounds kinda dope.

>>656158
Cope

Rabbi yeshua also kiddle fiddled a naked little boy in a public garden

Crossdogs worship a zionist pedo as a god

>>656158
Zionism is just jewish supremacism, it's not necessarily modern