Why do straight women like gay men so much?
>>654434Are you participating?
Then no, you're fine.
If you're not participating and just watching, then i would say it is a kind of cuck fetish, though interestingly i don't think most other men see it that way and I've always wondered why. Is it a kind of patriarchal misandry where they think their girl is being befouled by dirty male sexuality, but flame sexuality is pure? Is it a belief that lesbian relationships are in some way fundamentally less serious than straight relationships and therefore a woman having sex with their girl isn't a threat?
>>654499Washing your ass is pretending to be gay?
You do realize that the person you were responding to was talking about pretending to be gay, right?
>>654414/thread
>>654428I've had that happen before. Not the best feeling tbh. I'm not a psychologist and it's a large burden.
>>654434Quite literally yes. Nothing wrong with cuckoldry per se. The fear of being a cuck and the way it's an insult is pure misogyny. It's insanely apparent. The fact that despite you having literal textbook definition desires of being cucked other anons are saying you're not a cuck because it's women having sex with your gf just goes to show. How leftists can be so misogynistic is insane lmao.
>>654455Misogyny, basically.
>>654456Retard.
>>654482>Heterosexual males give me the ickMisogo bro type cis hetero males should give anyone the ick. Boring ass retards too.
>>654525Depends on your circles. I have many cis het male friends and they are all OK with this type of shit. Many shave their body hair, do their eyebrows, try to get nice clothes, etc. Some talk openly about getting pegged by their gfs too. However I've met many straight men who think any form of self care diminishes their masculinity and it's quite sad.
>>654529every time i lurk a "gender-critical" community i feel a lot of underlying pain and dissatisfaction. my central conceit is that people can change though, at least i'm on a good trajectory to kill a moid in whatever way.
>>654530make-up has a lot to do with self-esteem and the way modern culture robs women of it. besides that not using it as all is seen as being unkempt in professional settings. these social expectations won't change anytime soon.
>>654534that looks like a woman you pedobrained gooner
>>654547Historically, women have been regarded essentially as property, and the cultural vestige is still with us to a large degree. I'm not saying I believe it. I'm not saying it's good. I'm saying this is how society sees it. "Trophy wife", harems, etc are all in this direction. You can also look into the social norm that pushes men to believe that having more sex with more women leads to a higher social value, while the inverse is also true, men are socialized to believe that having less sex makes them less socially valuable, their "rank" decreases. And in women, the inverse is true, with virgin women being the most valuable (to be acquired by men), and the most "ran through" to be the least valuable.
There's a lot to learn about this and you can also learn a lot about why incels hold bizarre beliefs about women when you understand this. I recommend reading up on the subject.
>>654551>Historically, women have been regarded essentially as property, and the cultural vestige is still with us to a large degree. I'm not saying I believe it. I'm not saying it's good. I'm saying this is how society sees it. "Trophy wife", harems, etc are all in this direction. You can also look into the social norm that pushes men to believe that having more sex with more women leads to a higher social value, while the inverse is also true, men are socialized to believe that having less sex makes them less socially valuable, their "rank" decreases. And in women, the inverse is true, with virgin women being the most valuable (to be acquired by men), and the most "ran through" to be the least valuable. While I don't disagree with this, I would argue that misandry plays as much a role in it as misogyny in patriarchal norms and that misandry is more likely the prime player here. If you actually asked one of these dudes what bothered them so much about getting with a chick that had been with a bunch of dudes and why, inversely, virgins were so desirable, they'd mention that the virgin was somehow clean and pure, while the more sexually experienced woman was somehow dirtied, befouled and impure, which stems from a belief that male sexuality is dirty and vile while female sexuality is clean, innocent and pure.
>>654552No, I was just keeping it as a reaction image because Aphrodite has a funny smirk on her face.
>>654553fair enough but
>picrelcase in point
>>654553>If you actually asked one of these dudes what bothered them [..]This is still misogyny. I realize how it might be hard to understand why. The defiled ones are women, not men. Men don't defile themselves. Virgin women are desirable because they haven't been used by other men. It isn't about men being in the subordinate position, which would be expected from a misandrist position, but quite the opposite. Women are merely objects to be consumed, owned, defiled, etc. and those who do it are men.
You might want to look into marianismo. It explains this dynamic in a way that's perhaps easier to understand.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marianismo >>654559>Men don't defile themselves.Except that they do?
A big part of homophobia was that the act of male-on-male sex was seen as especially dirty and vile.
>>654560Homophobic societies generally regarded female homosexuality as less bad than male homosexuality, and in a few instances lesbianism was de facto tolerated.
>>654559>>654560This anon
>>654561 here
Also, anti-masturbation campaigns have generally been against
male masturbation. Even today male masturbation is treated as this incredibly dirty and gross thing, while female masturbation, is often seen and portrayed as pure, spiritual, even empowering.
>>654561>>654563You ignored my entire post, and it's clear you have a strong ideological motivation based on schizo-liberal understanding of society, besides having very little interest in theory, so I will retreat in my responses.
Regarding homosexual sex, it's clear enough what I'm trying to convey that the bottom, aka the one being penetrated, is the most shameful of positions and the one being defiled, feminized, etc. A clear example of this is Turkey historically banning men who have received dick from the military, but not those that have given it.
With all due respect, you seem to be improperly socially integrated, have bizarre ideas that don't match reality, and are strongly ideologically motivated about this particular topic with no theoretical foundation. This is not a good position to be in.
>>654569No, I think you're motivated by feminist ideology, which has some good points here and there, but in general is sabotaged by man-hating nonsense. One form that this takes is the absolute refusal to accept that misandry has anything to do with patriarchal norms (or even exists!). I didn't talk about your post mostly because I don't really disagree with it so much as I think it ignores the biggest and most obvious cause that people will just point blank tell you if you ask them to focus on more historical and peripheral causes (at least in the Western world) in order to deliberately ignore the elephant in the room.
>Regarding homosexual sex, it's clear enough what I'm trying to convey that the bottom, aka the one being penetrated, is the most shameful of positions and the one being defiled, feminized, etc. A clear example of this is Turkey historically banning men who have received dick from the military, but not those that have given it. And in many countries, the "bottom" was seen as a victim and the "top" was the true vile homosexual. This is how homosexuality was portrayed in my own country in old anti-homosexual propaganda.
>>654627Lesbianism aren't sinful. In fact lesbianism is perfectly acceptable to a Patriarchal system because having your wives letting out their urges by fucking each other is preferrable to them fucking other men and potentially cucking you, which ruined capital accumulation.
That anon is right, male sexism isn't misogynism, men don't hate women because women doesn't even exist as a separate thing in the eyes of patriarchal men, male sexism is misandrism because the chief enemy of men is always other men not women
>>654490Colored 2025:
Woman discovers gender and wanting to be yourself instead of a submissive slave to a female.
>>654538Women when they have an issue with their gender:
> It is entirely and only societies fault that I have to do thisMen when they have an issue:
> You actually willingly choose to do this and you just dismantle it any time actwually! Just like how you can just dismantle capitalism and other isms but choose not to! >>654428I hate when this happens to me
>>654440like big bags of sand
>>654569>Men sexuality isn't chastized<Provides coutner example>That is because it ties back to women <Even though if Men's sexuality wasn't chastized, then this contradiction wouldn't exist. >>654883When men are the issue it's "All men" type discourse.
When women are the issue, it's argued as straight people, even though it's only straight women.
Maybe feminism isn't a liberation ideology, and is just an argument of flipping the genders.
>>659252Thats a stereotype.
>>655022A lot of our quirky nuanced humor was made by straight guys. And LGBT have contributed to edgelord chauvinist shit as well
Also to the theead here that focuses too much on the demonization of female sexuality while justifying androphobic psychosexuality: you're not different from the reactionaries.
>>654575Never mind that poster. Theyre in that LGBT hteead a lot. They say that homoandrophobia is misogyny.
They don't even respect gay men as men.
They can only see them as women for the sake of their patronizing sympathy.
>>659310Same, I brushed my teeth too, applied an anti-aging facial cream that is also SPF 25. All my clothes are clean and I'm wearing new shoes, where are the slimy sopping wet vaginas I was promised? I also drove my car to work and walked through some grass, where is the gf. I thought it was
that easy.
>>659440> Uhhhh wiping your ass is the bare minimum!!!!!< Guy has a skincare routine> That's the bare minimum!!!!!Kill your self.
So much for """empathety"""
>>654412Do they though? My high school experience was being one of the girls except not really and I was not really one of the dudes either
I had no place under the sun and such isolation and lack of place I could slot myself into during such crucial developmental time fucked me up to this day
And even if they did, so what? Unlike you I don't want to fuck them or is having girls around me makes you anfry regardless?
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