/siberia/ - Off-topic

>>667620
All this pill bullshit has become reactionary so we should take the metaphor back to its Matrix roots.
In The Matrix there was only the red pill and the blue pill. The red pill made you reject the Matrix while the blue pill made you accept the Matrix. The "pills" are not simply an ideological construct, they are an active choice, reject the system and become its enemy or accept the system and remain its slave. It was a binary choice. The only "third option" could have been Neo being killed (by either Morpheus/etc or an agent) for knowing too much.
In this original context the "black pill" is just another kind of blue pill. You are passively accepting the system. What justifications you have for doing so don't matter.

I wonder how many incels.co and looksmaxx.com mfs suicided when they witnessed how gen alpha turned their sekrit blackpill knawledge and codewords into brainrot memes for a month and then forgot about it and moved on LMAO

eternal 2016

>>667620
It's true, but it's more reason to reject the world and antichrist babylon system

Always sounded like an elaborate excuse for NEETbuilt mfers to sit and home, do nothing, goon, feel bad about themselves, eat hot chip and lie

>>667978
Misery loves company as they say.

>>667978
It was just sour grapes. It basically boils down to:
>Theres a guy like in OPs image out there somewhere stealing all the hecking foiderinos its so hecking overino I gotta do a mass shooting like Elliot Rodgers or go to the Third World and marry an untouched traditional woman that can't read and write

Why are you people always confusing redpill for black pill?

Redpills are bitching about not getting laid
Blackpills are bitching about not being allowed to escape ideology

>>667971
It's red pill,not blackpill, also, that whole incel/looks maxing shit is brain rot meme shit taken too seriously.
making light hearted memes out of it would be a relief

>>667620
Mental illness.

just another term for severe, untreated depression but the chuds refuse to acknowledge mental health issues so they use terms like “blackpill.”

>>667620
Missing the forest for the trees. They are not reproducing because their genes are not suited for the conditions of modern capitalism. That is why they have correlation with loneliness, autism, unemployment. It is not one set of genes that is at fault (for example, the set of genes that determine facial construction), but the totality of their genetic expression interfacing with the environment (modern capitalism). Modern capitalism is the driving force in modern human natural selection, in other words. Blaming "society" or women is about as useful of an analysis as blaming the "elites" or corruption. Next to Marx's theory, it's laughable.

it is generally correct, which is why there are no coherent arguments against it. the lesson is, your value as a person is predetermined. we can see this well enough with how the world is divided.

>>668150
>Blaming "society" or women
this is what you people dont get. a blackpiller no longer blames anyone but themselves.

>>667622
>In this original context the "black pill" is just another kind of blue pill. You are passively accepting the system
<if we change the system, somehow undesirable men will be attractive
kek
>>668022
what is mentally ill about accepting reality?

>>668156
That's still missing the forest for the trees. You can't change your genes. But, according to Marx's theory, capitalism can and will be changed for communism.

>>668162
What part of "capitalism can and will be changed for communism" do you not understand?

>>668165
>What part of "capitalism can and will be changed for communism" do you not understand?
you have a faith in your prophet that i dont. communism is about equality. nature is unequal carnage.

>>668167
Humans have to power to rise above this misery unlike other animals. Why not make the world a better place for everyone?

>>668185
its not up to me to change the world.
i am a product of the world, not its arbiter.

>>668155

Heres your blackpill bro

>>668252
Seems reasonable

>>668254
Why not livestream it so we something from it?

>>668255
I would try to do something much cooler than that. But I'm too much of a coward and also still want to keep living for some reason

>>668256
So the blackpill is fake?
Its simple really, when life is a curse and you will never reproduce because people like attractive people, and everything boils down to status or physical attractiveness, that you both lack, why stay in your conscious state?
Or mayhaps there are others things to life that the incels.wiki doesn't mention? Is brushing your teeth a bluepill? Is talking with your family members bluepilled? Why keep existing?

>>668259
It's fear of death and that very strong survival instinct we cannot ever suppress since you see that shit in single cell organisms. I'm still around because I'm too afraid of killing myself and I can't help but imagine my family finding my dead body.

>>668259
>everything boils down to status or physical attractiveness
Outside of your family (and for some fully anglopilled families within too) yes the fuck it does.

>>668263
Then what stops you from seeing the world on foot? You are already suicidal, why not walk across the world, see beautiful landscapes with your own eyes?

>>668264
If nothing matters why sit on your ass all day? Just do something.

>>668259
>Why keep existing?
for the hope that things will get better

>>668268
You have to do something to make it happen, though?

>>668270
i do, in my own small ways
i lack ambition and will, however, which is the cause of much of my failure

>>668271
Did you consider that most rich people inherited their wealth and or got lucky? Do you think Bezos would still have ambition if he got unlucky and his online book store went under like all the other thousands of them did when Amazon stole their marketshare back in the early 2000s?

>>668167
>prophet
Marx is not a "prophet". His theory emerged as he looked at history and noticed that capitalism didn't always exist. He furthermore noticed a pattern of historical ages changing under the pressure of contradictions. He applied what is known as dialectics in his examination of history and noted that just as the dialectic of his teacher's teacher, Hegel, noted, there is a tendency for contradictions to be resolved, but also, for new contradictions to emerge from the resolution. He noticed that this fit the history of mankind. After a lengthy (to say the least) analysis of the latest epoch, capitalism itself, he concluded that the conditions exist to not only resolve capitalism's contradictions, but end history altogether, a final resolution. He called this communism, and from the past patterns in history as well as the contradictions of capitalism, concluded that capitalism cannot be eternal, that the contradictions of capitalism will be resolved, thus not only is communism possible, it is inevitable.

Marx did not "prophesize", anymore than a scientist speaking of the sun's inevitable death, is "prophesizing".
>communism is about equality.
Communism is about resolving the contradictions of capitalism.
>nature is unequal carnage.
Nowhere is it written that communism will solve all social ills, that individual differences won't exist. But it will solve most of them, because most are tied to either capitalism itself or vestigial traditions of past epochs. I cannot guarantee that you would have a gf under communism, just as Marx could not guarantee what communism would look like exactly, but what I can tell you, just as Marx spoke of the antisocial effects of capitalism on Man, but also spoke of communism resolving these antisocial effects, so too can I perhaps suggest that your genes may have hope in communism, if only because the environment is different from capitalism, which is the only thing you've known in your life.

>>668275
im not talking about anyone but myself

>>668278
>Marx is not a "prophet". His theory emerged as he looked at history and noticed that capitalism didn't always exist
🤣 and he was the first one, was he?
>there is a tendency for contradictions to be resolved
contradictions actually dont exist in nature
>but end history altogether
so human society and development will cease to exist?
>capitalism's contradictions
such as?
>Nowhere is it written that communism will solve all social ills
then it will still have "contradictions", no?

When I'm in public around others I often feel more blackpilled than when I'm alone with myself even if I'm a suboptimal person. That's why I like working the job I have because I tend to work around few people in afternoon and night hours. And I don't necessarily dislike the people I work with but I just feel as normal as they seem. To me hell does feel like other people

>>668284
*don't feel as normal as them

>>668284
children in school will often isolate themselves from groups because of a natural feeling of inferiority. i always chose to be alone rather than to deal with the pain of other people.

Very cool how we just accept the far-right incel interpretation of "red pill/blue pill" and try to seriously analyze it instead of acknowledging that it's clearly fucking retarded.
Don't let them hijack popular culture please.

>>668289
do you have any actual arguments?

>>668280
>and he was the first one, was he?
I don't know about that. What I do know, is that in Marx's time, and it continues to be the case today, the whole stratum of bourgeois intellectuals - economists, philosophers, etc. either mystified the origins of capitalism (for example, assigning the origin of capitalism to the ideas of the Enlightenment), or actively denied the political aspect of capitalism (for example, treating capitalism as what emerges "naturally" when there is no "political intervention" in the economy). Of course, this is nonsense. Ideas do not emerge in a vacuum, likewise to suggest that the economy isn't inherently political, that political actors, political groups, do not have interests based in the economy, is ridiculous.
>contradictions actually dont exist in nature
<In evolutionary biology, an evolutionary arms race is an ongoing struggle between competing sets of co-evolving genes, phenotypic and behavioral traits that develop escalating adaptations and counter-adaptations against each other, resembling the geopolitical concept of an arms race.
Evolution is literally dialectical.
>so human society and development will cease to exist?
Society as you presently know it will cease to exist.
>such as?
Production is socialized yet the proceeds (surplus-value) is privatized, capitalists invest in land or machinery rather than the laborers which make that land and machinery useful, the tendency to produce more goods than what workers can actually buy with their given wages, automation and technological advancement increasingly coming into conflict with the relations driving capitalism (worker - boss), class antagonism between worker and boss…
>then it will still have "contradictions", no?
Contradictions as a result of the way the economy works, no.

>>668299
>I don't know about that
use your common sense
>Evolution is literally dialectical.
how? you just described complexity.
>Society as you presently know it will cease to exist.
and this will "end" history, how?
>capitalists invest in land or machinery rather than the laborers which make that land and machinery useful
they invest in all; land, machinery and labour.
>the tendency to produce more goods than what workers can actually buy with their given wages
more goods = cheaper goods, so affordability is itself conditioned by waste.
>class antagonism between worker and boss
which also exists in terms of mutual benefit. a worker gets a wage. a firm gets profit.
nothing is "contradictory" in all this. its just inequality via proportion, which distributes across an area (or even dimensions). a pyramid's apex differs from its base, but the two are not in "contradiction" to one another. this is an abuse of the term.
>Contradictions as a result of the way the economy works, no.
in other words, the gubbermint will own my toothbrush

>>668312
>use your common sense
What "common sense"? I'm telling you I don't know who was the first person to say "capitalism didn't always exist". What I know is that in the year 2025 we still have (already discredited) demagogues claiming things such as "capitalism is human nature" and "capitalism always existed".
>how? you just described complexity.
What I just described is a dialectical process.
>and this will "end" history, how?
If history is (in large part) a struggle over resources, then there are two steps to ending it. One, generating a sufficient amount of wealth for all. Capitalism has already achieved this. Two, distributing said generated wealth among all. This is the historical role of communism.
>they invest in all; land, machinery and labour.
The chronic understaffing of businesses proves the exact opposite.
>more goods = cheaper goods, so affordability is itself conditioned by waste.
Yeah, you're pointing out a flaw of capitalism. Good thinking. This is the case because under capitalism workers do not receive an equal return on the work they put into producing a good. The paradox of producing iPhones you cannot afford.
>which also exists in terms of mutual benefit. a worker gets a wage. a firm gets profit.
On the contrary, the "mutual benefit" is an ideological narrative of capitalists. The capitalist is an obsolete "middle-man" whose only contribution is the allocation of capital; the laborer meanwhile is essential to production. If an individual capitalist's role can be replaced by the state, what do you think that suggests? Can the state replace the laborer? Of course, today we have for example, autonomous corporations managed by a state-like bureaucracy, with the owners (so-called shareholders) contributing absolutely nothing beyond the initial capital injection, acting like a bank for the respective corporation, with the actual allocation of capital being done by the corporate management.
>in other words, the gubbermint will own my toothbrush
https://youtu.be/rgiC8YfytDw

>>668383
>What I just described is a dialectical process.
what is "dialectical" about the process, exactly?
>The chronic understaffing of businesses
machines are cheaper than people in the long term
>Yeah, you're pointing out a flaw of capitalism
waste is one of the central features of all natural systems; most particularly, life itself.
>If an individual capitalist's role can be replaced by the state, what do you think that suggests?
that you seem to be advocating for state capitalism?
>owners (so-called shareholders) contributing absolutely nothing beyond the initial capital injection
the capital injection is the lifeblood of the business

>>668390
>machines are cheaper than people in the long term
You just say that there is a mutual benefit between workers and firms lmao, there is no "mutual interest" if the firms fire workers the moment they can substitute them with machines. The interest is antagonistic and conflicting in nature.
>waste is one of the central features of all natural systems; most particularly, life itself.
Death is also a central feature of all natural life, should we boost up mortality rates too? Idg your point here other than debatebroing
>that you seem to be advocating for state capitalism?
Yeah, state capitalism is a transition between capitalism and socialism
>the capital injection is the lifeblood of the business
I agree, which makes it more striking that capitalists aren't injecting into capital stock. The investment value of money means capitalists would prefer to hold their wealth in forms of raw cash instead of capital stock during times of market volatility, which is where we need capital injection the most

>>667620
there's actually more hope for communists than ever

It's always funny to see people get uncomfortable when the blackpill is brought up
They know it's true but can't admit it

>>670338
im a girl and actively dislike the chad archetype, my type is unironically short autistic shy and poor men

>>670340
so true bestie

>>670345
>bring up something that shatters the blackpill worldview
>conveniently be incredulous in response

You just wanna be nihilistic because it allows you to do nothing. And by the way, I prefer small cocks.

>>670360
How small?

>>667622
/thread

>>670367
around 11-14, 15+ is too much work (ENDLESS foreplay to make that shit fit) and honestly I prefer quickies

>>670338
It's even more ironic that people confuse black pill with red pill.
More people ironically though show more sympathy to red pill though

>>670467
It's funny how a lot of leftists throw the concept of a systemic issue away the second undesirable males are involved
Why is this?

>>670483
communism is not leftism nor is it concerned with solving all 'societal ills', its a highly biased movement about the proletariat alone

>>670485
Yes, but there is implications

>>670389
Because redpill is for those who have agency in capitalism, like people who come from a PMC or bourgeois background whereas black pill is materialist analysis of social dynamics under capitalism

Have you taken the brown pill yet?

>>670488
uyghas here will say anything as long as it has enough leftoid buzzwords

>>670492
Its not bullshit in this case though. There is a difference between red pill and blackpill