Is anyone else sick of people on the left (largely it’s redditors, specifically) using the SUPER tired argument of “chuds don’t have media literacy, they don’t understand that they’re watching (fill in the blank movie) wrong! I think rightoids are generally stupid but I’m pretty sure even they understand the subtext of these movies, they just like them regardless. Yeah, so what if Patrick Bateman is supposed to be seen as all the ills of 80’s societal excess manifested as a character, he looks cool walking with his headphones on. And I think the more shrieking there is about it the more smug glee they get out of “triggering da libs.”
"media literacy" basically a cipher used by "progressive" writers to communicate with progressive critics and progressives in academia, by adding an additional layer of meaning that is invisible unless you've taken the time to learn their language and tradition
but it is presented as a universal measure of education or intelligence, the purpose of "media literacy" is to skirt by capitalist censorship, by weaving a "progressive" message into an on the face of it reactionary work. the writers, critics and academics get to read the progrssive message, the masses get the direct reactionary messaging. the producer is satisfied
fight club and american psycho and breaking bad are not "critiques", in so far as simply depicting something is not enough to be a critique. the proof is in the pudding: average men idolize the "monsters" depicted in those works.
but the "media understanders" get to feel smug about knowing something that the stupid chud viewers don't, even though they've tricked themselves into a backwards reading of the work.
the "misunderstanding" is blamed on the audience, rather than on the clearly reactionary text of the work, or the media literati being bad at their only job (understanding media, concretely as it actually functions)
>>668703>chuds don’t have media literacyThey don't though.
I will never language police people for shitting on chuds. Never. Chuds are retards and should be called retarded at every possible opportunity.
Anyone who gets upset at this is probably a chud.
>>668714>by adding an additional layer of meaning that is invisibleyou are just exposing your stupidity here
>fight club and american psycho and breaking bad are not "critiques"BROTHER
why do you celebrate your stupidity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__BBylQ6srM >>668723>it's a critique, and to prove it i'm going to show you something that's not in the movielol
Stop being a faggot who watches youtube videos, and look at things like a scientist:
why do right wing chuds feel comfortable appropriating american psycho, fight club, starship troopers, etc, but don't feel comfortable appropriating the nazi imagery in the producers?
because the former aren't effective critiques, they portray bad people exactly how right wingers would like to be portrayed: cool and dangerous. fascists don't care about appearing stupid, vain, wrong, immoral, etc. they don't care about these things. they want to be seen as cool and dangerous, that's it.
>>668728This is also the average audience
>>668721This is the same sentiment that right had towards any assumed "SJW"
>>668746both chuds and libs like the same things, they just accuse each otehr of "not getting it", lol
also I live how "death of the author" used to be a liberal gotcha, but when chuds choose to discard verhoeven's intent when watching starship troopers, they get upset lol
>>668731Portraying your ennemies as evil loosers is a bad idea in most case because there is no challenge nor underdog otherwise. This is what those lame babylon bees movies are doing and not even rightists can tolerate such lame content.
There's a reason the soviets in Rocky 4 are aryan ubermensch while the free world is a tiny swarthy italian-american.
Same reason why leftist George Lucas made the Empire look cool as hell while the rebels/light side are buch of ragtag guerrilas full of ugly puny aliens.
Or even Eisenstein's portrayal of the Teutonic Knights in Alexander Nevski.
You just need cool villain no matter which ideology/camp your narrative is rooting for.
>>668807It could be if the Unitology was presented in a more secular lense, but it's a church with priests, several prophets that is also funded by Elon Musk-like billionaires and the evil deep state in universe. It's most devouts memebers are clearly inspired by islamic suicide bombers and the likes. Also Isaac was estranged from his parents because they got indoctrined in the church like magaboomers.
The bugs in Starship Trooper may have been a metaphor for communism but in Dead Space it's clearly for religious conservatism and organized religions in general.
>>668799Let's be real here, portraying someone like Dirlewanger as anything else than an ugly freak is just retarded. Sometimes the enemy is just that, ugly freaks.
Can't wait for the next Hollywood slop showing Mengeles villain arc or some shit, lol
>>668703Yeah they dont really grasp the idea of perspective.
They really think it's an own saying
> But starship troopers mocks fascism!!!!!!!!!(They know, they just disagree that fascism is bad, and think that movie should be interpreted in of it being good).
>>668721>>668730Binary thinking.
>>668759This
>>668795>>668799This. People always root for the villains. Let's be honest, the only reason why people love heroes is because of the villains they fight
>>668829This is the libleft version of conspiracy theory nonsense.
Irony is, illiteracy has been whined about since the past fifteen decades.
>>668759As I've said before, both chuds and SJWs come from the same cloth. They both grew up on the same memes, movies, books, TV, Internet videos
Even the slang is the same.
Alot of pundits of SJW and alt right camp were fraternizing with those on the other side.
>>668878>>668879like this is not denying that ideas exist, just that they are not primary like liberals love to pretend. this is why its always the biggest retards who are always focused on le propaganda or making da epic leftoid agitprop so they can convince their fellow middle classers into supporting 'communism' (social democracy) and always forgetting the majority of proletarians dont need much if any convincing as they are
already struggling against capital and the problem is that those struggles are disconnected from one another
>>668883>propaganda is when uhhhhh speaking at union meetingsdisingenuous retard
>concern for their well-beingtypical lib behavior of pretending communists are saviors who stand outside and above the proletariat and its not all workers together out of self-interest
>>668882>and even "great men" still have influencedont try to be subtle about what youre trying to push lol
>>668728>why do right wing chuds feel comfortable appropriating american psycho, fight club, starship troopers, etc, but don't feel comfortable appropriating the nazi imagery in the producers?Who cares?
The irony of discourse like this is that despite all your insistence that fiction is meaningless and that trying to make insightful art is fucking gay or whatever you guys are always the ones who bring in the assumption that since Starship Troopers didn't single-handedly convert everyone who watched it into a committed anti-fascist it fails as a movie.
Verhoeven's goal was to make a movie that would resemble the propaganda of a fictional fascist militarist state, and the fact that people confuse it for endorsement is proof that he succeeded. Who fucking cares if 20% or so of your audience "misunderstands" its moral stance? Any story that wants to be remotely morally or emotionally complex is going to be misunderstood by someone, should we not have morally or emotionally complex stories? (I bet some of you fags would say yes.)
This kind of criticism does not lead to a world where movies like Starship Troopers aren't made – literally the oldest story we know of is a "message" story – it just leads to versions of them where the author constantly nudges the audience and whispers "hey, you're meant to feel bad about this".
>>668714>average men idolize the monsters depictedDo they? Are there people who watch a movie and relate to the bad guy? Something like Breaking Bad is more complex than that, and so is Fight Club. But Bateman is not meant to be any kind of hero to emulate. You see those retarded things like >terrible bad guy 'did nothing wrong'
And no one really takes it seriously. There's not actually a viewer out there who sides with the villain. Or is there?
This I think is a problem for most people; we can't put ourselves in someone else's mind. It's easier to just be in denial that someone else could truly think "wrong" things and feel how one shouldn't feel. But maybe they do.
Like when I see Sean Hannity express an opinion I KNOW he must know better than. I KNOW he's addressing his truck drivers and his militia nutcase prepper types and the conservative MAGA boomers, but I feel that deep down, Sean himself knows better. He knows he's doing his job, he's acting a bit, and he's protecting his brand. But I think behind closed doors things are different.
I mean, we KNOW that. We've seen the leaked texts from him and Tucker and even Bill O'Reilly I think. They aren't fools. They command the attention of millions of fools, but they can't show their true colors. Maybe even ever. You see the ones now with nothing to lose speaking out. Cheney and Romney come to mind. But anyone with a job or money coming from the right wing political machine must always maintain their, I guess "Kayfabe" if I'm using it correctly.
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