/siberia/ - Off-topic

>>670029
>cooperatives
just as useless as enviromentalism tbh

marxists who think university will make them better communists are completely wrong anyways

>>670047
Why do you say so? Nothing else but building seeds for a new system is possible under present circumstances as far as I see it

>>670050
>seeds for a new system
those aren't seeds for a new system thats like saying hippie comunes are seeds for socialism

Rosa already explained why coops are a dead end back in 1900
https://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1900/reform-revolution/ch07.htm

>>670054
I understand her position on unions, coops and anything other than investing your time and energy to destroy the system but she failed and got shot. The conditions during her time are gone too so another approach is necessary

And I fundamentally disagree on your view of coops. They are subversion of capitalist relation on a small scale and if nothing else demonstrate that alternative is possible to the normie

>>670058
>They are subversion of capitalist relation on a small scale
nah they are subsumed by capitalist relations you might not get shot ig you make some but you won't achieve even a fraction of what Rosa did, is just capitalist past time just like getting a degree or voting

>>670076
Capitalist relations are based on worker/owner distinction which are abolished within the cooperative

>>670029
Are you too far along to change course?

I just promote workplace democracy becuaese it's the best capitalism for workers

>>670050
who you you think teaches 'marxism' in westoid universities?
its a plot for them to make you suck Adorno's dead dick
you dodged a bullet

>>670266
cooperatives which turn into corporations the moment they gotta show solidarity and share something with less productive members of another cooperative
coop socialism is bullshit and you should be ashamed for trying to undermine scientific socialism from within

>>670267
There is literally no reason to quit now and it's not like I hate the subject I just mostly don't care about Environmental Science because that the battle for climate change is so over it never even began

I plan to become politically more active in lefty party in my countries and possibly shill cooperatives using capitalist language in Freedom party's young and liberal circles "I want everyone to become a productive businessmen!" or something like that

Pic related the only lefty party in Lithuania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KArtu
Second pic is logo of economically right wing and socially liberal Freedom Party, they were the best we ever had to make it into parlament in Lithuania so far btw lmao I fucking hate it here

>>670407
Sure, just give me foolproof strategy to achieve socialism in present conditions and in the meantime I will try my coop thing

>>670413
foolproof strategies do not exist, that is angloid retardation
The best strategy is vanguardism however.
Become Leninist or perish as a slave

>>670414
I am a LibSoc mostly but I am literally >>670412 planning to join a party and shill my ideas in there so we agree on tactics point if not ideologically