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It's OVER, leftypol! Once I activate my doomsday device, ALL dialectical materialism will be ERADICATED!

>pseud larping will stop
yes please

no dont do it
before i realized that dialectical materialism was even a thing i was always constantly thinking "in order for me to be right i need to view an argument from an anthropological perspective"

>>671641
Okay? And?
It'll just be rediscovered because the dialectical process between the material and ideal is literally an observable phenomenon. It's not just some vibe you can turn on and off.

>>671660
>the dialectical process
never read hegel OR marx

uyghur rapemeat above me

>>671662
Okay wise guy, what term would you use then? Educate my clearly ignorant ass.

>>671672
NTA but I genuinely don't understand what you're trying to say.

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>>671684
I assumed he had a problem with my use of the term "dialectical process," specifically since he highlighted that one and implied I was saying something that was wrong, so I'm asking what term he'd like me to use instead to describe the phenomenon if that specific one is what he has a problem with.

>>671660
>dialectical process between the material and ideal is literally an observable phenomenon
>>671692
Can you explain what you mean by the above?
What process between the material and the ideal and how is it observable ?

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>>671693
The process I'm talking about is the process between the material world (basically everything that exists in the physical world including living beings) and the ideological superstructure that arises from the currently existing material conditions and how the material conditions constantly both recreate and shape old and new ideas that in turn loop back around and shape and/or reinforce the underlying material conditions.

As an example we all know that current material conditions under capitalism create homelessness. However to be able to maintain the level of violence required for homelessness to persist, the machinery of capitalism must also give rise to an ideological framework that dehumanizes homeless people in the eyes of the public as violent drug addicts and criminals who are in their situation because of personal failure and thus don't deserve sympathy. This then in turn leads to real material harm coming about as people swayed by the propaganda attack homeless people, destroy what few possessions they have, and push forward legislation that makes the already tough life that the homeless have even harder. Thus the homeless become more desperate, and more of them start to do questionable things, which is then weaponized in capitalist propaganda as proof that the homeless people are a blight on society, and on and on the cycle goes.

>>671697
I see. Maybe you could say the dialectical relationship between the productive or concrete base, and the ideological superstructure instead?

So you're saying that the relationship between the daily activities of people and the social ideology within which they operate is an objectively observable phenomenon. Particularly how the concrete activities of people influences the social ideology and how this ideology in turn influences the daily activities of people.

If you want to use some Althusserian language (i think?) then you can say that they are overdetermined. Hegelian dialectics usually deal with internal differences that determine each other, and in doing so develop each other. In Marxist dialectics it's a bit more complicated I'd say. Calling it a process is a bit weird because it kind of implies that the things in question are doing dialectics, rather than someone pointing out how the differences in the two things being observed define one another and have tension or opposition between each other, and thus are "dialectically in opposition" or some shit like this idk.

Further, it sounds like your understanding of the material vs the ideal is misunderstanding concepts in dialectical materialism. The material or material reality is usually used to refer to concrete activities. Although, material reality, technically encompasses everything. The ideal is more of a platonic concept in the context you're using it. In Marxism, ideas are part of the concrete reality. There is nothing that isn't material reality. By setting up a contradiction between the universe as it exists and the ideal, you easily fall into a trap where you are contrasting something that is not part of material reality. So perhaps being a bit more precise with which components of material reality you are comparing is a better move.

>>671660
>>671672
>>671692
>>671697
Dialectics is a mode of presentation you fucking retard.

>>671716
Sure it can be that, but then what good is exposition if you're supposed to throw it away? Is not the base and superstructure in a dialectical relationship (thesis on Feuerbach, 7, 8 and 9)? Or are we to ignore the contradictions between the laborer and the owner as mere presentation?

And what is this "mode of presentation", if not a mode of analysis. What is being communicated is not for the mere sake of presentation, but to communicate an idea, and that idea is embedded in the communication, in the so called presentation. The medium is the idea in a concrete transmissible form.

Rather flimsy cop out tbh.

>>671714
This is helpful, thank you.
>>671716
This is unhelpful on top of being pointlessly rude.

>>671641
>>671716
Wrong. Dialectical materialism—the only truly correct reflection of reality within human consciousness—is the scientific methodological worldview of the proletariat, which exposes the deterministic motion of class struggle, the historical inevitability of socialism, etc., through the objective comprehension of the material laws of reality. The only true science in the world, based on the universal law of dialectics, was created by the greatest scientist of all times, Karl Marx. This science is called Marxism-Leninism, which is the highest form of proletarian political economy. The method of proletarian political economy is the method of dialectical materialism. Marxist-Leninist political economy is built by applying the fundamental propositions of dialectical and historical materialism to the material structure of society. Marx’s genius consists, as Lenin showed, precisely in his having given the answers to all questions which the advanced thinkers of mankind had already asked, by developing proletarian political economy into an integrated and systematic world-outlook—dialectical materialism, which is the theoretical foundation of scientific communism. Extending dialectical materialism to the field of social phenomena, they created historical materialism, which is the greatest triumph of scientific thought. To the non-historical approach to human society, they counterposed the historical approach, based on a profound study of the actual course of development, by revealing the objective material laws of socio-historical development.

>>671743
>Dialectical materialism
not a thing

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>when someone calls dialectical materialism a tool

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>shitposty roleplay thread in /siberia/
>all the replies are serious arguments over Marxist terminology
never change, you beautiful people

>>671750
It is a thing.

>>671750
Wrong. Dialectical materialism is proletarian scientific world-view. At the same time it is the method of the proletariat for taking cognizance of the surrounding world, and the method of revolutionary action of the proletariat. It is the unity of world view and methodology. Materialist dialectics is the only scientific epistemology, and it is also the only scientific logic. The philosophies of all reactionary forces are tales. Revolutionary classes and the popular masses have all perceived the principle of the development of the world, and consequently advocate transforming society and the world; their Thought is dialectical materialism.

this thread is pure autism

>>671788
Schizo shit. That's not what it is at all. You didn't get even the basics.

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Please eradicate all Israelis instead. Matter of fact, search the world for zionists and camp every single one of them.
>You can't kill an idea
Yes, you can. You kill an idea by burning every single adherent, subject or object, into ash.

>>671660
>dialectical process between the material and ideal
Lmao

>>671641
>device that abolishes dialectics
Is this the full communism button? Do it faggot.

>>671933
Wrong. This is all lifted from proletarian textbooks. You say proletarian textbooks are wrong, yet you fail to explain why. You are diagnosed with psychosis until you explain why the proletarian textbooks are wrong.



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