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Not reporting is bourgeois


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Evicting homeowners is class struggle. This fuck was a massive chud. Boycott small business porky. Evict small homeowner porky. Financialization is progressive.
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I've been thinking of calling the idea "class murder" as opposed to class suicide. I think it mostly applies to the embourgeoisied imperial core though.

>>678143
Unironically agreed.

>>678395
>>678396
deliberately missed the point to feel superior award

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>>678245
Both trade unions and tenant "unions" tend to be retarded in all honesty, but at least unions have workers who are there to protect themselves from the encroachment of capital as workers, the tenant union guys, often interclass, move for petite bourgeois reforms like rent controls and have no agency after living standards improve marginally.

Like labour struggles over wages and working conditions actually improve the conditions of the proletariat and strengthen their association. Meanwhile controls on and prices completely disregard the law of value and their consequences long term results in more proletarians being unhoused, and the petite bourgeoisie, retards like you all, are the only long term benefactors of it. This doesn't intensify class struggle or develop it further at all.

>>678719
> their consequences long term results in more proletarians being unhoused
Homeownership is petty-bourgeois. The entire motivation was to accelerate proletarianization. Evicting homeowners is class struggle.

>>678778
the poster clearly meant homelessness

>>678779
Homelessness is a result of the central banks setting interest rates to guarantee a certain level of unemployment. It has nothing to do with the housing supply.

>>678778
>controls on and prices completely disregard the law of value and their consequences long term results in more proletarians being unhoused, and the petite bourgeoisie, retards like you all, are the only long term benefactors of it
<this is "accelerating proletarianization" somehow
Illiterate?

>>678790
>>678781
lol building developers will not build anything that does not turn a profit for them

stop being proudhonists who think you can make capitalism work in whatever way you want without abolishing it first. reading marx should prepare you to understand the contradiction inherent in pursuing rent control and maintaining a capitalist market for real estate

>>678792
Wrong. Marxism is most correctly applied in Communist China.

>>678796
China is not remotely communist anymore

>>678798
Wrong. The socialist transformation of private ownership of the means of production has been completed, the system of exploitation of man by man abolished, and a socialist system established. The exploiting class, as a class, has been eliminated.

>>678791
My entire fucking goal is anti-Proudhonism. I literally want to accelerate the proletarianization of the petty-bourgeoisie.

>>678920
Class suicide is not enough in the imperial core. We must engage in class murder. The petty-bourgeoisie must be remolded in the school of the streets.

>>678792
>Stop thinking that your solution of "abolish capitalism" and "reading up on Marx" is gonna fix the problem.
what are you talking about you blabbering ape. you didnt even read the post you illiterate fuck

>>678796
>marxism is "applied in a country"
lol?????????

>>678383
You know it's funny. The Bolsheviks ran into the problem of the peasantry, which outnumbered the proletariat in Russia, having fundamentally different material interests from the goals of the revolution. They had struggle sessions over it, even. It culminated in Stalin purging the old Bolsheviks and turning the peasants into a serf-like underclass (literally not allowed to leave farms, look it up) that under the threat of violence would work to feed the industrial proletariat. There were many peasant revolts, as you can imagine. But ultimately, the paradox of one class producing food, and another class depending on that production of food, yet the two classes having fundamentally different material interests, remained unresolved. Are peasants the enemy of the proletariat? To this day, unless you're a Maoist, nobody has really answered this question. Perhaps because of the implication, the food.

>>679051
the peasantry doesnt exist anymore

>Are peasants the enemy of the proletariat?

literally yes as evidenced by your post

>>679054
>the peasantry doesnt exist anymore
Where do you live to say something so ridiculous? But anyway, the point of bringing up the problem with the peasantry in the USSR, is as a point of comparison with the man selling hot dogs or balloons or whatever.

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>>679061
>Where do you live to say something so ridiculous?
its ridiculous to say theres no feudal or semifeudal countries left anywhere??????????

>>679071
That's not what peasant here means. Peasant as in an agricultural producer. Farmer. They still exist, much like the petite bourgeoisie.

>>679074
being a farmer is not the same as being a peasant lmao

>>679076
Okay, the Bolsheviks and Stalin referred to their farmers as peasants in theoretical texts and party documents, long after feudal relations were gone and capitalism was beginning to creep into the countryside. Happy?

Also, it is worth pointing out, selling hot dogs or balloons isn't technically petty-bourgois, it's a merchant activity. They're not producing anything, they're just re-selling commodities.

>>679088
>grinding isnt petit bourgeois because uhhhhhhhhhhhh not "producing value"
completely out of touch with reality college pseuds are so fucking tiresome

>>679091
Marx literally distinguishes merchants and capitalists. What the fuck are you talking about radlib.

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This is honestly the worst thing I've ever read. How can a person who claims to be a Marxist not understand anything about class and communism? It's absurd.

I suppose it's too much to ask from people who refuse to acknowledge that the US is a democratic republic, and expect them to read Engels' own text on this which thoroughly demonstrates this tenant shit for what it is. It even suggests towards the end that tenant unions are better than "labor unions".

Petit-bourgeois demands are so fucking superficial and stupid.

this whole thread is basically "accelerationism good" "no it isn't"
meanwhile WW1 and WW2 long ago debunked accelerationism.

>>679103
btw accelerationism is just the modern name for Kautsky's fatalist "capitalism will end itself" shit that has been throughly criticized by communists

>>679024
Marxism, the only genuine science, derrived from the only materialist mode of thought—dialectical materialism—is applied most scientifically in Communist China.

>>679095
Every capitalist is a merchant. Stop splitting hair

>>679108
It cannot be Marxist as long as China continues to claim they're presently a socialist economy. That's a dangerous lie.

>>679097
Could you elaborate what exactly is the issue with the text you posted?

>>679112
Communist China has a Communist economy. The transformation of the old system of private ownership into Communist system is complete. The exploiting class, as a class, has been eliminated.

>>679110
You didn't even read Capital. Marx points out that under feudalism, the merchant borrowed from the money-lender. Under capitalism, the merchant borrows from the capitalist. This shit isn't rocket science. They literally are different classes.

>>679115
Are you telling me there are no privately-owned-and-run businesses in China. Because that's a bold lie.

>>679116
Marx literally says that every capitalist is a merchant. This is in capital
>>679119
There are no capitalist enterprises in Communist China. There are independent proletarian dictated enterprises that are designed and operated by ingenius proletarian managers of production.

>>679123
>every capitalist is a merchant.
Why would he then distinguish the two in Vol 3, in the same sentence/paragraph.

>>679103
>>679105
Except that I want to actively proletarianize little porky gusano immigrants? Electing deranged tyrants who crush the proletariat is not what I want to do. I would prefer electing semi-deranged tyrants who raise interest rates, rents and taxes on small porky.

>>679126
Wrong. There is no distinction. All capitalists must buy and sell commodities—all capitalists are merchants. Marx says this explicitly but you fail to read Kapital
>Within capitalist production merchant's capital is reduced from its former independent existence to a special phase in the investment of capital, and the levelling of profits reduces its rate of profit to the general average. It functions only as an agent of productive capital. The special social conditions that take shape with the development of merchant's capital, are here no longer paramount. On the contrary, wherever merchant's capital still predominates we find backward conditions. This is true even within one and the same country, in which, for instance, the specifically merchant towns present far more striking analogies with past conditions than industrial towns.
>There is, consequently, a three-fold transition. First, the merchant becomes directly an industrial capitalist. This is true in crafts based on trade, especially crafts producing luxuries and imported by merchants together with the raw materials and labourers from foreign lands, as in Italy from Constantinople in the 15th century. Second, the merchant turns the small masters into his middlemen, or buys directly from the independent producer, leaving him nominally independent and his mode of production unchanged. Third, the industrialist becomes merchant and produces directly for the wholesale market.
>In the Middle Ages, the merchant was merely one who, as Poppe rightly says, "transferred" the goods produced by guilds or peasants [Poppe, Geschichte der Technologie seit der Wiederherstellung der Wissenschaften bis an das Ende des achtzehnten Jahrhunderts, Band I, Göttingen. 1807, S. 70. — Ed.] The merchant becomes industrialist, or rather, makes craftsmen, particularly the small rural producers, work for him. Conversely, the producer becomes merchant. The master weaver, for instance, buys his wool or yarn himself and sells his cloth to the merchant, instead of receiving his wool from the merchant piecemeal and working for him together with his journeymen. The elements of production pass into the production process as commodities bought by himself. And instead of producing for some individual merchant, or for specified customers, he produces for the world of trade. The producer is himself a merchant. Merchant's capital does no more than carry on the process of circulation. Originally, commerce was the precondition for the transformation of the crafts, the rural domestic industries, and feudal agriculture, into capitalist enterprises. It develops the product into a commodity, partly by creating a market for it, and partly by introducing new commodity equivalents and supplying production with new raw and auxiliary materials, thereby opening new branches of production based from the first upon commerce, both as concerns production for the home and world-market, and as concerns conditions of production originating in the world-market. As soon as manufacture gains sufficient strength, and particularly large-scale industry, it creates in its turn a market for itself, by capturing it through its commodities. At this point commerce becomes the servant of industrial production, for which continued expansion of the market becomes a vital necessity. Ever more extended mass production floods the existing market and thereby works continually for a still greater expansion of this market for breaking out of its limits. What restricts this mass production is not commerce (in so far as it expresses the existing demand), but the magnitude of employed capital and the level of development of the productivity of labour. The industrial capitalist always has the world-market before him, compares, and must constantly compare, his own cost-prices with the market-prices at home, and throughout the world. In the earlier period such comparison fell almost entirely to the merchants, and thus secured the predominance of merchant's capital over industrial capital.

>>679193
Is a seller of hot dogs or balloons an industrial capitalist. No. You can't even read what you cited.

>>679291
You are utterly wrong. Hotdog and balloon sellers are industrial capitalists. Hotdog and balloon sellers are merchants. Karl Marx demonstrates this.

>>679295
Are you pretending to be retarded. The man selling hot dogs IN-PERSON doesn't own a hot dog factory. Nor does he produce the hot dogs himself. He is literally a merchant.

>>679114
lol try rereading the post? or the whole thread for that matter?

>>679296
Arbitrage on goods is literally exploitation and capitalism. Buy hot dog low and sell hot dog high is constant capital exploitation. Hotdog arbitrage is porky.

hey, i like making hot dogs and helping people who need them, take these.

>>679307
>is literally exploitation
Nope. Exploitation in Marxist theory is the appropriation of surplus value via commodities. You don't know what the fuck you're even talking about.

>>679318
Where does the value of arbitrage come from if not from the workers?

>>679492
The exchange-value of a commodity is derived from surplus-value contributed by labor. The price of the commodity, however, is NOT the same thing as its exchange-value. In normal conditions, meaning capitalism as dreamed up by capitalism defenders, there are many firms and they all compete with each other etc. and in these conditions the price will roughly have a tendency to be close to the exchange-value. However, supply and demand, market distortion, speculation, monopolies, etc. all affect the price of commodities, but this has NOTHING to do with labor, as labor per Marx is only relevant in the final exchange-value of a commodity, not its price.

Ergo, no, making a profit from re-selling commodities has nothing to do with exploitation. The exchange-value of the commodity has ALREADY been paid, the moment the commodity was exchanged from the original producer into the hands of the merchant. What remains, the final price set by the merchant, is market dynamics, whatever profit derived, a market happenstance, nothing to do with appropriating surplus value, anymore than gambling.

You did not read Capital.

>>679634
Arbitrage can capture absolute rent and differential rent (innovations in the production process). It's not so different from monopsony and monopoly. It's still exploitation but just exploiting tech workers and reproductive labor. Hotdog salesman is basically an imperialist. Buying low helps suppress prices and suppresses wages below the cost of living, driving the workers into self-exploitation which often takes the form of the family unit. Selling high is basically monopoly rent, which exploits starving hotdog customers. Hotdog salesman is parasitic middle-man capitalist. Arbitrage is rent and rent is capitalism.

>>679634
Market exchange is literally the essence of capitalism you dimwit, you utter fool, you complete cretin. Market exchange is the evil, not the production of goods and services you fucking weasel.


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