/siberia/ - Off-topic

>>681268
>Tucker Carlson is a far better Christian than any gay Christian
Because the latter is a contradiction while the first is just a modernization of feudal regressive uyghur views, monarchist utopian shit eating and street shitting prolonged into a systemic tool for population control of the underdeveloped and purposefully utilizing the mentally ill.
ᴉuᴉlossnW in GDNE wrote all there is to be said.
https://archive.org/details/GodDoesNotExist

>>681268
A latent trend in protestantism has vulgarised Christianity to essentially 'be nice', so it really doesn't mean much.

>>681268
Orthodoxy is a spook. Religion in its most fundamental form is designed to shift and adapt to material conditions and culture over time. Attempting to keep a religion the same for 2000 years is impossible and inevitably leads to contradictions. For example the Trinity - not biblical, yet widely adopted by Christians - why? Because trinitarians took out any competing ideologies. They wanted to be able to both worship God and Jesus as separate entities while also asserting that they're the same entity. That's an adaptation, forced into being accepted as orthodoxy.

christians are just disney adults/marvel fans who soyface over jesus instead

>>681282
there's many more examples of this too in christianity, especially if you consider that christians may have never even believed in jesus as a real man until the mid second century, there are many contradictions that are required to exist based on time, place, and various other factors, there is no absolute orthodoxy, at one point "orthodoxy" was heterodox

>>681268
Why?

Because of shit in the Old Testament?

>>681285
*cough* reddit *cough*

>>681282
>the Trinity - not biblical,
Matthew 28:19

>>681282
Holy pseudery
>>681268
This meme is right btw American christians especially will support every abomination known to man from slavery to segregation to endless wars to destroy the 3rd world. Just this morning i saw an American "Christian" who insisted that black people are a different subspecies of Homo Sapiens, may unlimited 9/11s befell AmeriKKKan """"""Christians""""""

>>681344
>American christians especially will support every abomination known to man
because christians were wholesome epic chungus reddit golders before, right

>>681346
Yeah Christians were huge advocates of female rights in the Roman Empire, and Christian idea of the Sacrificed God is a turning point in the fight against the patriarchal mindset of Pagan Europeans.
Generally Abrahamic religions are a boon on humanity when they first emerged. Islam helped end femicide and infanticide in Arabia and encouraged cosmopolitanism, it is a very feminist religion at the beginning. It is only later when the logic of imperialism and power accumulation turned these religions brutal

>>681347
>Yeah
stopped reading there LMAO

>>681347
In fact you can extend this to all organized religions. Schmitt mentioned that politics are secularized religion but then it also applied that religions are desecularized politics. Most religious movements started as social reforms, like Jainism and Buddhism started as opposition to Brahminic caste hierarchy and Shia Islam started as an opposition to Arab racism against non Arab Muslims

>>681350
I am an atheist and scientific materialist but i am also a religious person and a secular pro LGBT humanist. There is nothing wrong with this position and i am much more honest than a lot of so called rationalists

>>681282
It's not an adaption more of a development due to debates with pagans trained in philosophy and logic and the Church seeking to define itself against heresies, the Church before it was sanctioned by Constantine was mostly made up of uneducated underclasses so sophisticated doctrinal expression wasn't really necessary, but the Trinity is biblical otherwise there really wouldn't be such a reaction against Arianism which denied the Trinity and tried to mold Christianity into platonic-aristotlean metaphysics without concession to theology reducing it to just another mystery cult among many

>>681355
it's like how there's stuff in luke-acts that is against marcionism and the like, it's "biblical" yes, but many lies and forgeries were also codified into biblical texts, hence why they're not very valuable

There's lots of denominations that interpret the bible in whatever the fuck way they want. No such thing as good or bad christians. You can pick up any random bible verse to justify being an asshole and then another cringe can just as easily select another verse to condemn such behaviour. Its all a meme.

Religions are psyopped into existence by feudal lords to claim a "God given" right to lord over endless masses of serfs.

>>681366
dumb conspiracy theory

>>681366
Wrong. Religion as method of class cuck tricKKKnology appears first only with slavery. https://www.marxists.org/subject/economy/authors/pe/pe-ch02.htm

>>681268
Christianity is a living (Well, in the west, undead) tradition. You are not "more christian" because you alone adhere more strongly to the words in the book. Christians have been making shit up about the book forever: they literally had a council to decide which books of the bible were and weren't canon because they didn't like all of them.
Tucker Carlson's Christianity cannot escape being an adjunct to the media product Tucker Carlson. He's the embodiment of everything that killed "real" Christianity: politics is just so much more engaging than religion, TV news is just so much more engaging than church.

Going all-in on anti-homosexuality was a real 10/10 blunder from an already declining religion. It's already liberal cliche to point out all the other shit they ignore (mixed fabrics and lobster, eh?), but by posing the question directly: your faith, or your mainstream cultural respectability, they set themselves up far too easily for people to call their bluff: mainstream cultural respectability. the church delivers nothing of value nowadays (Well, a wedding venue for those too good for a registry office and too poor for a yacht, I suppose), when "Not being seen at church on Sunday" is the social norm rather than the exception.
Moreover, the hypocrisies aren't so bad: orthopraxy is infinitely superior to orthodoxy. Ask the Jews or the Shintoists how much it matters if you "really believe" versus just doing the thing because you do the thing, and if doing the thing is awkward, just make up a lawyerly workaround that technically doesn't break the rule. Book says you can't be gay? Well, it's not gay with socks on.

Anyway, I'm too lazy to tie it together but this is the same problem communist orgs have: In a godless world, politics and fandom have taken up the social space religion once occupied. This should be a golden opportunity for communists, but communism as practice rather than as mere professed belief ("cultural communists" to our old "cultural christians", eh?) is blunder after blunder after blunder. take a look at any org and find that they are focused strongly on orthodoxy, not on orthopraxy. if Lenin didn't say we should use this tactic, well, smugly, I must tell you that this tactic cannot possibly work. All that there is to say on the workings of a capitalist economy had already been said by the death of the last apostle, St. Stalin of Gori. Everything else is heresy - I mean, Revisionism.
Worse yet, they make demands of you, but they do not deliver anything to you. They rely on outmoded assumptions about how you're going to drift towards them without any real effort. No buddy, you're in an attention economy where everything is constantly competing with everything else to grab people's attention, you've gotta give people a reason to show up.

>>681332
its true though. both are groups composed of mentally stunted adults who cant handle reality and have to resort to escapism where there are clearly defined good guys and bad guys and the good guys always win in the end in an easy and comfortable way that doesnt make the audience question their own beliefs.

>>681285
>>681374
Christianity is now a midlife crisis cult for butthurt adults who cannot handle that their generational zeitgeist is dead and gone.

>>681268
Christianity has been a political theology ever since the founding of the Catholic Church. It really got political though with the Protestant church.

>>681268
Jewsus was a zionist kiddle fiddling rabbi who called gentiles dogs

the whole point of christianity is that every member of the church is a sinner. there are no "better" or "worse" christians. that is an arbitrary standard. us protestants do not call our teachers "father" for example, and do not worship a man called "the holy father" in rome. as Christ says, none are good but God.

>>681355
Constantine was like if the Tsar had a dream and decided he was a communist now and then hijacked the revolution from Lenin

woof woof! (satanist detecting dog)

>>681346
>because christians were wholesome epic chungus reddit golders before,
<utopian European anarchists: "God created earth for you and me, reject landlords who are jealous of God, embrace universal love for all of creation"
>utopian American anarchists: "we must SMASH THE STALINIST STATE so that we can do SEX TRAFFICKING OF MINORS for our anti-authoritarian comrade JEFFREY EPSTEIN. Google Bookchin you fucking evil anti-freedom tankies"

>>681366
>Religions are psyopped into existence by feudal lords to claim a "God given" right to lord over endless masses of serfs.
you aren't thinking dialectically, the existence of modern religion also gives us the space to imagine our God given right to this land (which was made for you and me)

>>681409
>the whole point of christianity is that every member of the church is a sinner. there are no "better" or "worse" christians. that is an arbitrary standard. us protestants do not call our teachers "father" for example, and do not worship a man called "the holy father" in rome. as Christ says, none are good but God.
True but a mischaracterization. I personally view Christ as a prophet and not as a singularly unique son of god and I feel this lines up with his recorded quotes. I feel in his own testimony he identified himself as fallible and imperfect and this lines up with the whole story we have of his life. But still Christ is a foremost prophet and we can discern the central premises of his sermons which are to abandon so called civilized life and dedicate your life to god.



6 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11 Give us this day our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

17 But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;

18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.

19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

>>681692
>14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
>15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
That's the biggest TRVKE in da bible.

>>681692
there are many children of God, but Christ is the only "begotten" or "unique". the book of john identifies Christ as the Logos (Word) for this reason. Christ also says that none come to the Father except through him. muslims for example treat Christ as messiah and christians as "people of the book", so there doesnt need to be much antagonism. as it is written also, Christ is the high priest of the eternal order of melchizedek, who apso offered bread and wine to abraham, and abraham offered him a tithe (tenth). in the book of acts, a tithe is settled as the acceptable form of revenue for the church then, identifying the order of melchizedek with the pentecost of christian faith in the church. of course, the church is not a physical, but spiritual reality. Christ is in all ages and all peoples.

>>681285
I'm gonna CONSOOOM the bible!

>>681409
2 minutes talking to a christian will debunk this. theyre all virtue signalers

>>681735
Christianity is responsible for most sociopolitical phenomenon in the western world since the Renaissance

>>681726
Christians will do any kind of insane schizo babble rather than listen to their prophet

>>681735
"debunks" what? the words of men do not compare to the words of God. Christ says to resist virtue signalling in all cases, for it is vain and prideful. righteousnessness should be done in private instead. we may read this:
>Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth. That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
<matthew 6:1-7
>>681767
most christians dont read the bible, like most muslims dont read the quran, or how most marxists dont read marx. theres no special sin in being a follower - most just use their creed as an excuse for unrighteousness, but as we see in Jesus, the righteous gentile is preferred over the unrighteous jew. Truth is hated by idolaters, and tjose closest to its claim are responsible for failing to grasp it. this is why paul says adam is guilty over eve, and too, we see how the pharisees are the betrayers of Christ, like the denying disciples also.

there is also this verse:
>Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
<matthew 6:16
Jesus says that to signal one's virtue is unrighteous.

I hate abrahamics

>>681920
why?

>>681920
i hate pagans

>>681268
Atheists who "like Jesus" are spiritual Christians and just as retarded as regular Christians.

>>682636
glowing example of this: richard dawkins

the virgin
>jesus was a heckin wholesome progressive socialist who stanned trans folx, republichuds are the real antichrist!
2020s wokie vs. the chad
>christianity is a fake and gay religion with no redeeming qualities and you're a sheeple for believing in it
00s neckbeard

Oh, so Christ Com posting is looked down upon now? Yet Pagan posting is revered and enshrined.

>>682644
number one pagan hater here, i make sure to hate on all pagan posting

>>682644
But I also hate Pagans. All that New Age spiritual crap, they fit the "opium of the people" description even better than Christians do - and Christians are enormously retarded already.

>>681268
Religions develop and fade as society changes. The question is: what is religion in the socialist stage of development? IMO therapy (psychiatry, race, eugenics, etc…) is objectively the religion of highly developed capital otherwise known as imperialism. I don't like it, but an explicitly Marxism-Leninist form of D&G's schizoanalysis is probably the future of religion under socialism. Yes, I was filtered by "Anti-Oedipus". Yes, I dislike all the eco-socialist nonsense.

>>682649
>the future of religion under socialism
why would religion exist anymore when man finally dictates its own destiny

>>682650
Magic mushrooms will still exist so there'll likely still be some sort of spiritual whatever going on

>>682650
Socialism != Communism

Religion will still exist in the transitional stage.

>>682652
more like
bourgeois socialism != communism
scientific socialism = communism

>>682652
>transitional stage
Not really a thing like most people here interpret it.
Also you think it's going to last centuries that you're here talking about le official socialist religion?

>>682651
theres nothing spiritual about mushrooms

>>682656
mushrooms made me go from atheist to believer in a spiritual something that I cant describe

>>682658
then its not real

>>682656
Uyghas will really take shrooms at the tender age of 32 and then write a trip report raving about how their life will never be the same because they realized they should be nice to people. It's wild

>>682660
hey im not in my 30s yet, and my psychedelics insights were not about being nice

>>682660
I've met exactly one person who instead turned into a full-blown nazi after doing acid, lol.

>>682662
he made contact with hyperboreans

>>682656
This.
I actually tried spice before and I sorta understand how people can feel some sort of "enlightenment" from shrooms. All they do is just amplify your thoughts a thousand fold so you think you discovered the truth of life when in reality your senses are heightened from drugs.

>>682660
This. It's ironically the same people who will do book tours at grade schools talking about "everyone's a winner" and "make friends with the weirdos because they're the coolest people ever".


>>682662
Alot of our rightoids were psychedelic junkies.
Charles Manson was one of those guys.

>>682662
>>682665
In my experience shrooms just take your mask off by force and destroy all your copiums so you have no choice but to be who you always were.

>>682667
I tried shrooms once, not really a large dose. I just felt a bit woozy and mild euphoria, also stomach cramps. I'll maybe try a real dose in a while though.