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If you had to choose would you pick truth or happiness? And yes, this question implies a situation where it can only be one or the other.

The body was too short or empty.

The noble lie is a fundamentally reactionary idea.

trvth

>>683166
truth is an illusion anyways.

Happiness, obviously. Truth is worthless.

>>683167
>>683169
>>683171
what

Truth always b

>>683172
OP, this is literally babby's first philosophy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_lie

I choose truth.

Because I want to actually get happiness.

>>683176
I know you want to feel like a smartie pants but this is simply about you going through life and either choosing the truth or engaging in copes to stay happy. There was no need to invoke Plato here.

what if you choose happiness but halfway through you learn the truth and stop being happy. happiness is temporary

>>683186
As far as I can see some people are so good at rerationalizing reality and deceiving themselves that they can get back to that former happy state. A part of the trick is to simply not think.

>>683186
>>683189
>>683166
Truth and happiness aren't mutually exclusive.
This glorifying of cynicism/angst is often assumed to be truth.

What most people mistake for happiness is really mainly idealism.

Truth is more reliable and enduring. Happiness is feeble. Truth without happiness offers a richer experience of the world than happiness without truth. And truth is not without its own forms of enjoyment.

>>683200
>Truth and happiness aren't mutually exclusive.
<<<<<<<And yes, this question implies a situation where it can only be one or the other.

>>683205
>Truth is more reliable and enduring. Happiness is feeble.
You can never be certain that you know the truth and you can always re-generate a stage of happiness when you are proficient at deluding yourself.

>Truth without happiness offers a richer experience of the world than happiness without truth.
How is it a richer experience without happiness? You would simply be left with a set of static information, meanwhile sacrificing the truth for happiness enables you to engage in all sorts of delusions.

>>683208
Let's extend that to idealism
>>683205
Truth without idealism is much more reliable you mean.

>>683172
What do you not understand? What is truth good for? Nothing. It's useless. Unless you are religious or something, there's no reason to choose truth.

>>683180
>>683186
OP explicitly says that it's either one or the other. If you choose happiness, you will never know truth; if you choose truth, you will never know happiness.

>>683211
You're mistaking truth for idealism.
Religion is ironically the farthest thing from truth.

>>683212
Truth makes happiness.
Unless you define happiness as idealism

>>683183
What do you mean by 'invoke'? It's not my fault that you are 2000 years too late coming around philosophic discourse without noticing.

>>683213
Truth never made anyone happy and few are those who got to know it without becoming miserable.

>>683213
>Truth makes happiness.
A person was raped in childhood but a traumatic brain injury stripped the memory of it happening from them. How would informing them that they have been raped make them happier?

>>683214
Alright, then go ahead and explain in your own words which choice is better and why.

>>683215
Are you sure?
If truth makes people miserable then it's because they're idealistic.


>>683216
They were never happy. Again, traumatic memories being blocked doesn't make them happy. It just keeps the pain at bay.

You guys are willfully drowning in misery because it's "vogue".

"Ignorance is bliss" is a coping platitude-speak for shallow weak minded people.

>>683219
Who are you to decide that they couldn't be happy?

i reject your false dichotomy

>>683219
>It just keeps the pain at bay.
Which would mean they are happier than otherwise.

>"Ignorance is bliss" is a coping platitude-speak for shallow weak minded people.
The saying isn‘t in advocacy of ignorance it describes something easily observable in life.

>>683222
>Which would mean they are happier than otherwise.

No.
There are people who suffer from psychosomatic ailment for years and then learn they were raped as little kids.
Or that they were circumcised improperly

>The saying isn‘t in advocacy of ignorance it describes something easily observable in life.

You sure?

>>683221
This. The people who antagonise truth and happiness are often people who don't respect either.

>>683224
>and then learn they were raped as little kids.
And that would lead them to be less happy than before, correct?

>You sure?
Yah.

>>683221
I literally said it‘s a type of situation where it‘s one or the other and not that happiness and truth are always mutually exclusive. Or are you claiming the two always come together?

>>683227
>I literally said it‘s a type of situation where it‘s one or the other and not that happiness and truth are always mutually exclusive. Or are you claiming the two always come together?
it depends

>>683227
>And that would lead them to be less happy than before, correct

And you're wrong because they're not happy to begin with

>Yah

Sounds like copium tbh

>>683308
>And you're wrong because they're not happy to begin with
I didn‘t say they were happy but that they became less happy which is true. Not to mention that your point isn‘t correct because they don‘t become happy by learning the truth.

The people who know the truth or claim to know it are all either depressed or get killed by the state very quickly, so it's better to choose happiness.

Which one is most likely to get me laid? I'll probably choose that one

i would pick both

It's like asking would you choose the penis or the balls? Neither is mutually exclusive.

>>683328
Happiness.

>>683354
you could use the truth to blackmail pepopel into sexo though

>>683346
I can‘t believe how retarded you are. Nowhere was it stated that the two are mutually exclusive, but they clearly don‘t always accompany each other either. The question is about a scenario where it is either one or the other. The same applies to your example. Are penis and balls mutually exclusive? No. But they also don‘t always come together making situations possible where you either have one or the other. Now I am asking you to choose in such situations. Do you pick A and B when the nature of A and B isn‘t that they always come together (which nowhere implies they are mutually exclusive, as if they could never come together).

>>683438
everyone just thinks your thread sucks

>>683439
>t. retard

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>>683166
truth. truth until the end. the hypothetical falls apart because 'happiness', however you define that rather vague word, cannot be sustained long-term without truth. if ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many americans need prozac?

>>683504
>if ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many americans need prozac?

This. OP is just a miserable who wants to frame happiness as some antagonist.


>>683438
You say "truth and happiness are not mutually exclusive" but you imply it as such.
Ok then, how about truth vs freedom?


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