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How does one go about becoming an Old Order Mennonite?

I’m thinking about joining because I’ve realized their theology is by far the most consistent with both communism and Early Christianity (which was full communism in its truest sense). Unlike most other Christians, Old Order Mennonites actually practice communism by holding all possessions in common. They believe all land and wealth belong to God and God only. They do not work for the capitalist system but for their community. They also adhere to a consistent life ethic, meaning they are anti-war, anti-imperialist, anti-capitalist, anti-eugenics, anti-abortion, anti-death penalty, anti-gun, anti-euthanasia, you get the picture. They are also notorious pacifists who refuse to pay taxes to an imperialist, war-hungry government. That’s far more principled than the vast majority of “leftists” in the world.

I was raised Jewish and am largely disgusted by the fascism in the Jewish community regarding Palestine. Judaism is also anti-universalist at its core. I became Christian last year but realized I need more from my faith. The Old Order Mennonites are the only Christians who perfectly reflect the true teachings of Christ. So how do I join? What’s the process? Would they accept a former Jew like me?

The early church couldn’t have been communist because communism is anti-religion and anti-superstition. Christian communism is an oxymoron.

>>687280
Christ literally preached communism.

>>687281
He also claimed to be the son of God, now I’m no expert on Marxism by any means, but I’m pretty sure Marx said something along the lines of religion being the opium of the people, wouldn’t claiming to be the son of God fall into that?

>>687283
Not all Marxism is materialist.

>That’s far more principled than the vast majority of “leftists” in the world.
except marxism isn't about any of the nonsense you listed, it is about class struggle within capitalism, not utopian escapism
if you don't believe in private property go and try to start a farm in someone else's land and you will quickly find out that reality isn't a matter of believing or living according to whatever principles you made up in your head

>>687291
Mennonites do engage in class struggle. They’re very active in anti-war and anti-imperialist activism.

>>687277
become an anabaptist and stage another munster rebellion


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>>687284
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>687297
Marx was not anti-religion and believed his philosophy was Christianity realized.

>>687298
idc about marxs personal opinions and his analysis led him to the conclusion religion has no place in communism anyway

>his philosophy

lol

>Christianity realized

nah this gotta be bait lmfao

>>687300
Study Marx under the lens of Christian teaching and you’ll understand what I mean.

>>687297
“Retard” is a eugenicist slur.

>>687280
early christian communities were communist in the sense that they had a communal life without exploitation, just like how paleolithic hunter-gatherers were communists because there wasn't any surplus to appropriate. think about it this way: you can't steal from someone that doesn't have anything

marx's point was that maybe in a future without scarcity humanity might go back to such existence (you can't steal if you already have everything) but for the time being and the conceivable future there is surplus value and thus class struggle. this is, society produces more than it needs to stay alive, so there is always going to be conflict about how the surplus is distributed. and there is no going back in time to the paleolithic, you have to push forward because technology imposes itself regardless of what you think is right or wrong

>>687292
they don't, first of all because they are irrelevant and second because they don't have the material interests to do it so their "support" for whatever cause will always be flimsy and testimonial. the worker salary (and thus their life) is directly opposed to the profits of their employer, this will always be a stronger motivation than the boring mythology of christianity

>>687298
marx thought feuerbach didn't go hard enough on his refutation of religion, he had nothing but contempt for it. the only reason he didn't more openly criticize it is because he thought it was an irrelevant vestige of the past not worth mentioning

wtf

>>687304
Marx’s early writings prove he was a Christian.

>>687277
>Judaism is also anti-universalist at its core.
>I want to become Anabaptists instead

Anon, Anabaptists are far more anti-universalist than Jews. Way more. You’re talking about Christian sects that deliberately isolate themselves from the outside world. You also can’t convert to being Mennonite or Amish. They don’t take outsiders. You need to be born into their community and yes they take this very seriously.

>>687324
Judaism has a racist and eugenicist element. Anabaptists do not.

>>687319
retard

>retvrn faggotry but vaguely left wing

>>687280
It couldn't have been Marxist, but it could have been communist.

Communism kind of a vague term describing a classless society (and consequently, a society without money and property.) Marx and Engels described many economically primitive hunter-gatherer societies as being a form of "primitive communism," even though none of these societies that we're aware of were without religion or superstitions.

What's more, the main issue Marx had with religion was that it encouraged people to passively accept their conditions in life and to instead "store their treasures in heaven." It promised people a better life in the next world to get people to care less about their lives in this world, and this lead to them being less class conscious and less willing to change their conditions or to make revolution against the current order of things.

These days, religion doesn't do that so much anymore. The call for people to store their treasures in Heaven has been largely replaced by a million voices telling the people that if they behave virtuously and work hard, they will ascend to an earthly Elysium of material wealth.

>>687379
Most religions actually are low key materialistic.
Allt the talk about "storing up for the afterlife" is a joke

Most religions focus on geopolitical domination.

Judaism and Islam are the biggest examples

>>687277
My brother-in-law grew up Amish in Pennsylvania. It's not a happy life. If you join you will go the rest of your life without using much advanced technology. Say goodbye to your laptop and smartphone. Prepare to arrive everywhere on horse and buggy since cars are prohibited. You will also be doing all sorts of hard work on the farm. This isn't a lifestyle for the weak.

From a third worldist perspective, aren’t these insular religious communities more ethical since they’re not living off the value extracted from third world labour?

Why do so many Angloid leftists romanticize "outsider" Protestant sects, the Mennonites and Quakers in particular?

Quakerism is idealist as fuck. Yeah, Quakers were big on fighting against slavery in America and played a role in the early feminist movement but Quakerism itself is pure idealist nonsense. No sacraments just vibes. No real community. It's like the Christian version of Western Buddhism.

No idea why comrades think the Mennonites or Amish are anything close to leftist. They may live communally and be openly anti-war but they're highly reactionary among themselves. Extremely patriarchal. Very queerphobifc. Elders will attack other Mennonite/Amish elders for not being devout enough. Oh, and did you know there are Amish porkies? Several Amish have become millionaires from running construction companies. They also run their communities like the mafia.

>>687943
Lets not forget that Protestantism is responsible for modern capitalism.

>No idea why comrades think the Mennonites or Amish are anything close to leftist. They may live communally and be openly anti-war but they're highly reactionary among themselves. Extremely patriarchal. Very queerphobifc. Elders will attack other Mennonite/Amish elders for not being devout enough. Oh, and did you know there are Amish porkies? Several Amish have become millionaires from running construction companies. They also run their communities like the mafia.


This all sounds too much like the antisemitic impression of Judaism.
I bet those communities have a lot of sexual/industrial abuse of young people.

Everyone knows that the more religious a community is, the more debauched it is.
Ironically, the more secular a community is, the less debauched it is

>>687945
>This all sounds too much like the antisemitic impression of Judaism.

How so? I lived in rural Maryland for a few years not too far from where loads of Mennonites and Amish live. I know their community structures and customs quite well.

>I bet those communities have a lot of sexual/industrial abuse of young people.

Oh there is. A lot of young girls get molested by older men. Many ex-Mennonite/Amish women have talked about this. No one reports it because their communities are ultra-conformist and patriarchal af.

I want to become a Mennonite because the chicks are hawt af

>>687946
>Oh there is. A lot of young girls get molested by older men. Many ex-Mennonite/Amish women have talked about this. No one reports it because their communities are ultra-conformist and patriarchal af.

This is why I have no respect for family men as a social class. If they're not fucking teenage girls they're wanting to get fudge packed by lonely young men.
They're out of shape, hairy, and have questionable hygiene.

>How so? I lived in rural Maryland for a few years not too far from where loads of Mennonites and Amish live. I know their community structures and customs quite well.


They live in Maryland?
In the rural areas?

>>687947
Simp

>>687948
>They live in Maryland?
>In the rural areas?

Southern PA. Pretty close geographically. There might be some in Maryland though.

>>687277
>anti-eugenics,
Yeah they're inbred as fuck.

>>687451
What's the best lifestyle for the weak?

>>687947
They’re inbred.

>>688197
inbreeding is hawt

>>687277
>>688203
>inbreeding is hawt
Yes. Give me Mennonite cutie.

They aren't easy to get tho. You need a lot of rizz.

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>>688207
Look at those marbles

>>687277
The Old Order Mennonites are one subset of the Plain People. I speak only to the American ones as I am familiar with them.

There is a fairly wide variety within the Plain People. There are Amish, German Baptist, Hutterites, Mennonites and probably some other ones. Within these groups, there are variations based on what the elders and the bishop of a subgroup decide.

Some have electricity, other's don't. Some can have cars, other's cannot. Some buggies can have rubber wheels, others must have steel wheels. Some can even have computers and the internet, but they can only be used for work and I believe are in a common area of the home so they are monitored. Even the ones with horse and buggy can pay outsiders (or as they call them, the English) to drive them even over long distances, sometimes for vacations like fishing in Canada, but usually it is for family reunions, funerals, weddings, some type of work, horse auctions, and occasionally for surgeries or hospital care.

They do tend to actually resist technology and if they allow it, it will come up with various rules to make sure it isn't abused. They also have things like having the bishop and elders inspect your house if they think you are up to no good and some communities just do this regularly from time to time to everyone.

But, overall, yes they retain traditional gender roles, greatly limit technology use, and so on. Of course, they use things like pneumatic technology, some gas-powered machines for work, sometimes lawnmowers, but it really boils down to the particular community as, again, the bishop and the elders make the rules.

They aren't really against technology for its own sake, they just want to make sure that technology doesn't do more harm than good to their communities before they allow it to be used sparingly or commonly.

How do join? I cannot say. You will have to ask them in person.

>>687277
Why wouldn't they accept you? I'm sure theyll trial you to see if youre well behaved and if you actually like the lifestyle before they fully accept you into the community and im sure they'd want fresh blood to prevent inbreeding

>>687324
>>688335
>>688337
There is no way in hell OP will ever be accepted by the more insular Mennonites. Modern Mennonites maybe, but the insular ones, absolutely not.

Insular, fundamentalist religious communities almost unanimously reject converts for the same reason they almost always reject (or highly limit) technology: they don't want their otherwise harmonious communities to be tainted by the influence of outsiders coming in, especially not modern people who will bring their late-capitalist conditioning into communities that adhere to a very rigid traditionalist doctrine.

I'm also Jewish like OP (even though I'm Torah-observant and would never seek to abandon my Jewishness) and will say the only two Hasidic groups that openly welcome converts into their ranks are the two most liberal ones: Chabad and Breslov. All the other Hasidic sects are open to converts but converting and joining them is almost impossible, because they are extremely strict about who they let in because they need their communities to be free of outside influence. My guess is that the Old Order Mennonites will be exactly the same way. They'll see a modern guy who was raised with a faith not their own, in a culture not their own, in a society not their own, and will be highly reluctant to let him join.

CULTS

Bourgeois escapism

>>687277
Imagine thinking you’re entitled to join any community you want without having to put in any effort.

>>688348
what are you doing on a section where people are posting very strange Chinese cartoon porn?

>>687277
Hope you can farm, OP.

>>688351
I used to watch this guy a lot
he was alright

>>687943
They're ignorant and fall victim to the narrative of the Mennonites and Amish being stateless communists or some garbage like that. They think these religions are simply hippie communes that anyone can join for fun. They're actually cults that are highly restrictive with what they allow members to do, and their lifestyles have no benefits. It is NOT the same thing as living in an anarchist squat in some lively European city. No.

The Amish/Mennonites don't "live off the land" either. That's a myth I see perpetuated by both anarchists and far-right Christians like TradCaths (who also love the Amish for some reason despite the Catholic Church having severely persecuted Anabaptists). The Amish buy as much of their food as they grow themselves, if not more. They use propane and natural gas to heat their homes which are usually delivered to them by truck. They run small businesses (making them petit-bourg) where they sell furniture, quilts, baked goods, homemade butter, candies, and many other things, making them fully part of the capitalist economy. And yes they do run construction companies which make them a lot of money. Some of them even have summer homes that they hire people outside of their communities to drive them to.

Anyone who romanticizes the Amish is seriously retarded. They aren't some good little anarcho-communist Christians living in oppression-free communities. They're a hardline religious cult that's barely surviving due to generations of inbreeding, hundreds of members fleeing their communities every year for the modern world, and a very high suicide rate that would shock most people.


>>688789
> They run small businesses (making them petit-bourg) where they sell furniture, quilts, baked goods, homemade butter, candies, and many other things, making them fully part of the capitalist economy. And yes they do run construction companies which make them a lot of money. Some of them even have summer homes that they hire people outside of their communities to drive them to.

Ever consider they only do those things because they have to in order to survive in capitalism? That’s like saying you aren’t a real communist because you have an Etsy store.

>>689372
Perhaps but even so, if you're an aspiring communist, you should try everything in your power to become independent of capitalism.

I thought communists were supposed to be above it all?

>>689372
>>689377
The point is, these communities aren’t anything close to being self-sufficient like a lot of people think they are. They don’t live “as divorced from capitalism as possible” but rather depend heavily on the modern world for their survival. Like I said, the Amish and Mennonites buy most of their food. They only grow some of it on their own. They also run small businesses which bring in most of their income. They don’t live too differently from other rural folks they just reject a lot of modern technology and are super religious and culty. And what’s really the difference between using natural gas to heat your home vs. electricity generated by renewable energy like hydro or solar? How does that advance communism or subvert capitalism? By that logic, far-right survivalists living off-grid are anti-capitalist.

>>689401
>By that logic, far-right survivalists living off-grid are anti-capitalist.

They're anarcho-capitalist.

>They only grow some of it on their own. They also run small businesses which bring in most of their income. They don’t live too differently from other rural folks they just reject a lot of modern technology and are super religious and culty.


Yea, I guess the anti-tech thing is overblown by non-Amish as some cool steampunk aesthetic.

>And what’s really the difference between using natural gas to heat your home vs. electricity generated by renewable energy like hydro or solar?


Now you know how I feel about people getting upset about learning done by computer vs book.
It matters not, all that matters is discipline.
Books can lie too.

>>689411
>Yea, I guess the anti-tech thing is overblown by non-Amish as some cool steampunk aesthetic.
Don’t know if you’re being deliberately dismissive but my point is that the Amish and Mennonites are at their core highly fundamentalist religious cults. They aren’t anti-capitalist, they don’t live in communism, they have very strict social hierarchies, they’re petit-bourgeois by all definitions, and they rely heavily on non-Amish/Mennonites to survive. People who romanticize them are morons.

Amish voted unanimously for Trump last year.

Trump only won Pennsylvania due to the Amish vote.

Hope this helps.

>>689485
is this one of those cases where they vote whatever the bishop/rabbe/imam/guru tells them to?

>>689485
Why would conservative religious people vote for a liberal progressive?

>>689507
Yeah that proves the Amish aren’t progressive and people need to stop using them as an example of “Christian communism” or whatever.


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